New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Nosferatu]

ego

[Nosferatu]

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

You know who is though? RC.

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

I have a wiki

You draw scum 20% of the time.

All the more likely you are scum.

Whatever, theoretical != practical probability. Some people are lucky, others arent.

Besides, the probabilities are weighted.

Cuz there is a higher chance of rolling town then scum, duh!

But, next topic.

Out of 65 games, you've been scum 18 times: 27.6%.

In 9p, yes, its 22% chance of scum.
In 13p, its 23%.

Your score, 27.6% is quite a bit on the high end. So, yes, experimentally, you are more often scum than normal.

Normal --> 23% chance of scum. You: 28% chance of scum. 28 > 23 by 5 points.

ITT: We learn that Ircher failed Stats

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not buying titus' copper stuff btw

but I do
VOTE: Copper

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Reading up now.

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Why are you asking rhetorical questions? RVS ended once you said you had a case on me.

I voted Nosferatu cause correcting Ircher on statistics is something that a townie looking for scum is less likely to do.

why

The serious problem would be you being town and using these kind of arguments, you being scum I'd find pretty awesome.

I don't see the problem in the argument.

UNVOTE: Copper223
Don't take it seriously Copper, I'm not like those idiots that chase at you with ropes for hanging just because you're Copper.
This is getting too stupid, why can't we just get along, the adventure haven't started yet and we are already quarreling and sending death threats just because, all that preparations for nothing.

I have a problem with this tho

For real though, explain 174, because I actually can't parse that into anything I understand.

Copper said I will laugh hard as scum if I flip scum in my lynch, which is a contradiction, since lynching sk as a mafia goon early in this game is serious trouble as there will be less kills per night, giving the Town more time to correctly lynch the mafia.

This is a legit scumclaim.

VOTE: Seth

not done reading

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I'm not hunting he is just acting like a 3rd party.

You see, that's because you are looking for it. The only way for some people to force themselves to look town when scum is to SK-hunt.

My read on shotty is actually based on a tell I believe I found while doing pre-game research. I found a town game and a scum game and I read ISOs of both looking for differences in tone/attitude/tendencies. If anyone is interested, I suggest you do the same and come to your own conclusions, as I would rather not taint impressions if you can figure it out yourself, plus #effort.
shotty's most recent completed scum game that i looked at
Another scum game i checked out to test my theory on the tell. it applied.
shotty's most recent completed town game.
another town game i used to test the tell; it applied. however, this game is kind of old and i wasn't able to find a more recent town game, but i believe it is a valid tell for him.

Persivul is my first town read so far, only because I feel like he'd just be a dick to me if he wasn't.

I have not actually read pages 2-7. Gonna get to that over lunch today. See yall then.

the last game is a scum game.

I don't know how to feel about shotty literally not clicking on any of these links except the last one.

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So, I know that I haven't had much of a presence, but did we not see seth literally claim mafia goon?

For real though, explain 174, because I actually can't parse that into anything I understand.

Copper said I will laugh hard as scum if I flip scum in my lynch, which is a contradiction, since lynching sk

as a mafia goon

early in this game is serious trouble as there will be less kills per night, giving the Town more time to correctly lynch the mafia.

upon being asked to explain "If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise" he literally said he was a goon without being prompted as to his role whatsoever. Does anyone disagree with my reasoning here?

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tfw here but nothing to say

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I should probably post more here rip

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can someone direct me to a post or posts that give me a general reason why I should vote TBG?

Seth wagon is looking like it's probably not going to go through and day is ending soon.

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

I can roll with this. I don't like how he painted my last post as a Beetlejuice tell when persivul just ninjad me.

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Not with both Seth and anen on it

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What about Persivul Zakk or Shotty?

I didn't like Zakk's read list so something could be in there.
Shotty I don't think will flip scum.
Persivul could definitely be scum.

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

I can roll with this. I don't like how he painted my last post as a Beetlejuice tell when persivul just ninjad me.

I agree with this. I didn't push your immediate post because it was

too

immediate. Just seemed like coincidence.

also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

These two posts together are not a chainsaw. They are a wait and see approach. He's not even taking the same position on scumtells in back to back posts.

But he does? He dismisses them in both posts?

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

I can roll with this. I don't like how he painted my last post as a Beetlejuice tell when persivul just ninjad me.

I agree with this. I didn't push your immediate post because it was

too

immediate. Just seemed like coincidence.

also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

These two posts together are not a chainsaw. They are a wait and see approach. He's not even taking the same position on scumtells in back to back posts.

But he does? He dismisses them in both posts?

No. He says bettlejuice is a valid scumtell/slip, just not applicable to you here. Then, he says don't use scumtells/slips.

Ok, I see your point, but how is 1374 not a chainsaw? Someone accuses anen of slipping, and he immediately discredits it, despite the fact that slips have been mentioned before but he had no such reaction?

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Ehh, you're saying you don't think anen is scum?

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What a shame

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There's just so many to choose from

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Don't think Shotty is scum and I haven't looked at TBG properly yet.

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lol
@titus I'll probably give him a look-see tomorrow after I take my final exams.

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Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Ich lasse euch spielen

Ich hasse mein tomorrow with all the work


Hail Nehalennia!


ETL heeft schönes Haar

Ich erinn're mich als ich m'n photo geupladen had en iemand heeft 't gesagt m'n lul te klein is lololololololololololololololololololol!

"I leave(hate) you guy's play
I hate tomorow with all the work
Hail Nehalennia (idk this word)

ETL heeft (has? ) beautiful hair

Not gonna try after that.

Why was I expecting "Ich bin ein Gebäude"

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still here, kinda prodge, but I'll read up

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Titus, nope.

Drmy, zakk, and Brawl are among my strongst town reads.

Copper I lean town on.

And was Persivul the other? He's about on the same level as Copper for me.

I'd much rather lynch within Ircher/Seth/Killthestory/Huer/Lowell

That lynch list is terrible man

Nos: Started leaning scum, moved to null, moved to leaning town.

Why? I haven't done very much this game?

Also wtf is a LHF

That's the point. It is decided by the mod pregame. Most neighborhoods beyond 3 have a scum of any given faction. It's not universally true, but usually is. Setups tend to be balanced on it. Check the wiki.

I mean, likelyhood and probability then don't really play a part though.
Because it wasn't randomized in those fashions I assume.

I can reveal it but I feel like if I do you are going to just attempt to lynch a neighbor over anyone else right now. Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.

The reluctance to reveal the neighborhood is kinda ugh, feels like trying to appeal to you neighbors with solidarity or something

liger is clearly town. one thing that hits me the wrong way:

liger says there's a neighborhood
titus says omg who b i bet theres at least one scum
liger says pers and magna
pers votes magna

Not a good look for pers there.

Why not? Do you disagree with the theory that there's probably one scum in the neighborhood?

the fact that you obviously knew the people in the neighborhood and only now make the decision to vote another member is rather damning.

Still reading.

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

I feel like I'm missing something here

I also think that Nosferatu's post on the next page with the image of a chainsaw is scummy, how he just comes out of nowhere with a clear agenda.

that's kind of shitty. If I'm not posting, any post I make is out of nowhere. Explain why finally posting in thread with a proper relevant opinion is "a clear agenda"?

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ALSO: if you were town you probably wouldn't have bothered to check the links
because hypothetical town-you would know that no matter what the links held, they wouldn't be relevant if it was related to me thinking you are scum.

That is possibly the furthest reach I've heard in my time on this site.

actually it's an excellent point.

no, sounds like a pretty fucking terrible point to me. If I'm town or scum, I'm looking at the game they linked because perhaps A. there's an extenuating circumstance that makes this game and that game different, and B. I want to see if he's even correct in asserting the two games are noticeably different in the first place.

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Current thoughts:
The idea that the neighborhood is 1 scum is terrible imo. You're absolutely outguessing the mod on this, and it reads like a very easy way to set up chain-mislynches. I read the whole neighborhood as Town, tbh.

Titus's math on the neighborhood raises several red flags. From the PoV of a non-neighbor Town, assuming 5 total scum, and 1 in the neighborhood, the odds of hitting neighborhood scum are 1/4, and outside of that, it's 4/16, the same odds. If you're Town, you should automatically exclude yourself from being scum, obviously. Titus isn't doing that math from the PoV of TownTitus, because she can't, so instead she's doing it from a fully neutral view. Secondly, again assuming 5 total scum, 1 neighbor-scum, from a neutral PoV, the odds are 25% and 23.5%. Why the fuck would you ever pick which pile to lynch from for a

less than 2% increase

in odds? Shouldn't any reasonable Town player be far more confident in their reads than a >2% boost, which is only true if the set-up speculation is true, which is already a stretch?

Pers's ISO has me going both ways a little bit, but I settled on a town lean. I feel for him when he said "lynch me". I feel pretty damn similar. This game has been misrepping and confbias out the ass, while you're letting low-content/scummy content players like Seth and Heur off for free, while they get a front seat to watch the thread just devolve into crap.


Fuck set-up speculation, fuck lynching on math instead of reads. One of Seth/Heur needs to die. The bigger wagon right now is Seth, so join me on it.

if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons.

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@zakk: OMG, you're going to one of my newbie games from a year ago and saying that's my definitive town meta.

Are you scum, or just a fucking idiot?

If you were really trying to dispute this you’d have brought up the much better point that the first link isn’t even to a game but to GTKAS for Zakk himself. That’s what someone who actually was criticially assessing zakk’s post would do. Because it is garbage to say “This is Town Pers” and to link to non-game thread.

But you just try to laugh it off as if meta from a year ago somehow isn’t valid. People are bringing up meta for me from 5 to 6 years ago on a regular basis.

this is also true. Not checking the link at all is just not being invested in defending yourself.

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if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons.

Not necessarily, balance-wise you may want them not to know they are all town and that makes a sizeable difference in how much power you are giving that group from the start, it depends on what other town PR's are around basically and at the moment that is useless speculation.

Well, my statement assumes they don't have any other powers to use but that's a valid point.

In every normal large game I've completed so far with a neighborhood, scum has been in it. While that may be anecdotal, it's rather irrational to suppose that this game will be vastly different from the other normal larges in having an all town neighborhood.

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I've played with Kop-scum in a large game before, we'll see if he acts the same way.

Persival is probably more likely scum though, even tho seth apparently scumslipped sometimes people can just be retarded so..

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that's kind of shitty. If I'm not posting, any post I make is out of nowhere. Explain why finally posting in thread with a proper relevant opinion is "a clear agenda"?

No what’s shitty is not really posting in thread and then popping in with a pic reaction which wasn’t valid in the first place as Titus and others have pointed out and projecting some outrage when you are called on it.

Titus thought it wasn't valid because she didn't think the two were scum buddies. I did. It was a totally valid, the disagreement is a matter of interpretation, and that difference in interpretation is because Titus read anen as town and I didn't. I think one scum defending another by attacking the integrity of the attacker and his point fits the description of a chainsaw right? If you read both anen and persivul as scum, it's a chainsaw. If you don't, it's whiteknighting.

Think a bit more before shitting on people and jumping in on questions that don't concern you whatsoever.

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I don't get replaced usually cuz at one point or another I'll start doing something, and my reads will be so good they'll have to keep me in so scumteam doesn't straight win.

Pers is straight town though please don't vote him

Ok, I'll bite. I haven't seen what you see in the ISO, but I'll look through it again. In the meantime, can you give a -reason- you feel he's town?

He's too focused on out of game situations rather than grabbing needless towncred. When I stated I knew his town meta, he focused on saying that his meta is unreliable rather than trying to appeal to me by either playing exactly to his meta, or him just pushing me in general. I also like his general content, and his tone is good. Overall solid town

saying the meta is unreliable is just as bad as appealing by changing his play to fit it.

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nah, changing your play to fit someone's perceived town meta of you is absolutely abhorrent and scummy af

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nos you think Pers is scum? If he doesn't flip scum know that I'll deathtunnel you.

if he flips town I'll deathtunnel myself

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also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

I feel like I'm missing something here

I also think that Nosferatu's post on the next page with the image of a chainsaw is scummy, how he just comes out of nowhere with a clear agenda.

that's kind of shitty. If I'm not posting, any post I make is out of nowhere. Explain why finally posting in thread with a proper relevant opinion is "a clear agenda"?

No, that's incredibly fallacious. "a clear agenda" is not "finally posting in thread with a proper relevant opinion". This is a scum response to strawman the case against you. This is a clear agenda:
"oh hm idk haven't really read the thread but i agree with this one post a bit"
[other person accuses the person who wrote that post]
"LOL NICE CHAINSAW XD SCUMTEAM FOUND"

no it was
"This person is scum"
"Your argument is shit"
me --> "Chainsaw"

you're fucking terrible.

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mind you I literally said a few posts before that how I didn't like either of their slots. Fucking dumbass motherfuckers playing this game.

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not to mention looking at the vc now this wagon is uncontested.

UUUGH!!!!

in any case the fact that it's uncontested still stands so now I dunno wtf to do. we do t have time for anything

Yep, my wagon's been building for days now, and there hasn't been a counter wagon. Scum tend to push a CW when one of their own is taking heat.

What's this? A counter wagon right when persivul is about to get lynched? And it's on a known troll who shitposts constantly in every game regardless of alignment? Say it ain't so!

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What's this? A counter wagon right when persivul is about to get lynched? And it's on a known troll who shitposts constantly in every game regardless of alignment? Say it ain't so!

Why aren't you voting Persi?

because I don't need to because he's being lynched? If someone wants to VCA later, by all means consider me on there, but I don't vote people who I know for sure will be lynched without my direct involvement.

It ain't so COUNTERWAGONS DON'T EXIST THERE IS ONLY PERSIVUL

the 5 people voting kts (some of whom I believe unvoted pers to do that(?)) don't exist?

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lmao literally me rn

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because I don't need to because he's being lynched? If someone wants to VCA later, by all means consider me on there, but I don't vote people who I know for sure will be lynched without my direct involvement.

Man alive what is this?

You don't know if he is going to be lynched now for sure and you had the hammer before so you could have ended the day if you wanted to; if you are town and think he is scum as you have been saying for the latest x pages I see no reason not to follow through with the vote unless you have clairvoyance powers you haven't told us about.

I'm going to check your meta to see if you usually follow this kind of MO wrt votes.

But I did know he would be lynched. He was. If I thought he wasn't, I would've voted for him.

Exactly, copper. Why are you trying to avoid voting Persivul, Nosferatu?

Not trying to. I just don't need to.

Better yet. You claim that it's a thing you always do. Why don't you prove it with links to other cases in which you did it, Nos? Don't claim it's your meta if you're not willing to prove it, right?

Look for it yourself, pretty sure you could find a case where I scum read someone and didn't vote them while they were being lynched.

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hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
expedience
projectmatt
aneninen
titus

there, filled in.

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@Nos
Why KTS over Kop btw?

what

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Better yet. You claim that it's a thing you always do. Why don't you prove it with links to other cases in which you did it, Nos? Don't claim it's your meta if you're not willing to prove it, right?

Look for it yourself, pretty sure you could find a case where I scum read someone and didn't vote them while they were being lynched.

Burden of proof is on you, you're the one who claimed it was part of your meta. If it's that obvious, why can't you do it instead of telling everyone else "Oh it's there, just trust me"?

Burden of proof isn't on me. You took it upon yourself to investigate this point. I don't need to do jack. I also didn't ask for you to trust me, I literally told you to look for it.

nos you think Pers is scum? If he doesn't flip scum know that I'll deathtunnel you.

if he flips town I'll deathtunnel myself

I'm very interested, gonna follow through on this? I doubt it, but it's interesting that you didn't even mention it.

Please explain how I would deathtunnel myself.

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Assumedly by self-voting. Again, I get that you won't do it, it was a stupid thing to offer, but I think it's interesting that you -did- offer it. As for burden of proof, all you saying "Oh it's not weird, it's a part of my meta!" and then refusing to prove that it's a part of you meta does is show that you're being disingenuous. It honestly seems to me like you're just saying things to get lynches on people other than you and then hoping anybody who would question it gets killed or forgets.

VOTE: Nosferatu

Why is it disingenuous that I say this is what I do and you refusing to go ahead and look for it if you think it's that big of a deal? The burden of proof is also on you to provide examples of me saying things just to get people lynched. You've got a lot of stuff to do lol.

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Do you not feel like Nos is trying to avoid having to defend their own claim about their meta? Or that them trying to push KTS to vote Pers (Who I had also voted against, I'm not trying to deny that) by offering to deathtunnel themself (Which in actually I basically boil down to "If this is town, lynch me tomorrow" which is...still playing against your win condition no matter what?) and then trying to fling shade my way for pointing it out is scummy? I haven't made a claim without backing it up. They have. I find that scummy, so I put a vote there. I don't see what's wrong about that, Lowell.

The level that you misconstrue this is amazing. I didn't push kill to vote pers.

A perfect example would be your telling KTS to vote Percivul because "If he's town I'll death tunnel myself". Obviously, you wouldn't do that, because either way it'd be playing against your win-con unless you're a jester, which is apparently not in this game. KTS, however, went ahead and voted Pers because of it. That is you saying something to get somebody lynched.

obviously I'm not going to deathtunnel myself. I was jokingly telling kill that if pers flipped town I'd be fine with him tunneling me.

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I didn't push kill

This is 100% true, upon looking back at that exchange. My apologies. I'll go and check your meta once I get off mobile and back at home. I'll remove my vote if I find that kind of meta, because I thought of one potential reason you wouldn't be willing to give links that would still have you as town after realizing my mistake. Otherwise it's parked.

I've already checked the most recent games, it's not there. Check more earlier games. I would cite one game but it's not finished.

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Soccer Spirits Mafia. I (correctly mind you) named two scum buddies and voted neither. There ya go. Rather recent actually.

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I've already checked the most recent games, it's not there. Check more earlier games. I would cite one game but it's not finished.

I will look at all your recent meta, particularly if you've changed it since the accusation was first leveled.

I don't understand this at a quintessential level.

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In my opinion, 1408 was the worst post from him. He DID translate my terrible drunkpost (and assuming he's neither German nor Dutch, it must have taken serious effort!). But he did NEVER draw any conclusion out of it! Even if he had a scumread on me at that time... That's something scums often do when they don't know whether a wagon will gain momentum or not.

It's all that duolingo man. I'm apparantly 26% fluent in german thanks to it

So help me get more out of that slot by pressuring it with a vote, Kop doesn't seem to volunteer much information on his own.

441 – A lazy jump on Seth. (Mind that he posted that he hadn't done reading – but the rest of that "reading" had never arrived.)

1255 – I called it a Beetlejuice. Yeah, I may have been wrong about it, but his REACTION to that was terrible. 1263:

"I don't like how he painted my last post as a Beetlejuice tell

when persivul just ninjad me

."

– Most players tell being ninja-ed instantly or not mention it at all. So, this sounded like a nervous explanation for something which might have disappeared in the thread later.

Back to 1263 – He shadowed my wagon when it existed and there had been a chance for it gaining momentum.

1375 – Accusing Persivul performing a Chainsaw looks horrible now, knowing Persivul was town.

In my opinion, 1408 was the worst post from him. He DID translate my terrible drunkpost (and assuming he's neither German nor Dutch, it must have taken serious effort!). But he did NEVER draw any conclusion out of it! Even if he had a scumread on me at that time... That's something scums often do when they don't know whether a wagon will gain momentum or not.

1896 –

"if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons."

, about the Neighbourhood. As far as I can remember, at that time the "there must be a scum in the hood" topic had been emerged. His logic was bad in itself, but if I'm right about him and he's scum, we should consider the possibility of an all-town Neighbourhood. (I've seen things like that, link will be provided if needed.)

And I've already talked about eg. his 2274; 2275 was WTF (filling out Nahdia's list), and his whole interaction with Shaziro makes him look even worse.

VOTE: Nosferatu

I don't like this case because of the sheer fact that it's so easy to make.

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brb

could you claim that hood you slipped way back when? It's bothering me now.

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I don't like this case because of the sheer fact that it's so easy to make.

Being scummy is not a town tell.

I don't follow?

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@Nos
In what way is Anen's case easy to make?

ok

1.

"lazy attack on seth"

- lazy because?? probably because no immediate explanation or follow up. Something I do not do regularly. (see davesaz vote in game shop mafia)
*also I did finish reading, but I didn't make any conclusion. I don't usually make long catchup posts but I don't remember having to catch up in any recently completed games so idk.

2.

"reaction to beetlejuice was terrible"

- nervous why?? Persivul posted less than a minute before me. The likelihood of me responding that quickly to being mentioned is infinitesimal. Totally reasonable to be suspicious of someone questioning your alignment off of a pure chance occurrence.

3. There's nothing of mine in 1263. I posted once on the page and I asked for explanation on the TBG wagon.

4.

"accusing persivul of chainsawing is horrible based on his town flip"

- why? With this logic, accusing persivul of doing anything scum would do is terrible when that's simply not true. Both town and scum were on that wagon, and to make any accusation scummy is illogical.

5.

"didn't make conclusions from drunk post"

- apparently I was supposed to be able to interpret a drunkpost in a foreign language and make a conclusion as to his alignment from it. It was barely coherent German in the first place, how would a foreigner such as myself or anyone for that matter be able to draw anything from that. No one else did. Surely someone else scum read him as well, but none are held to this standard.

6.

"his neighborhood logic doesn't make sense"

- This isn't a scummy point but it also doesn't make sense. How does my opinion regarding neighborhoods (might you I'm not a neighbor) pave way to the possibility of an all-town neighborhood?

7.

"whole interactions with shaziro make him look even worse"

- not really. I mean sure you could say I was being anti-town; I really could've just done the world a favor and dug up a game, but I didn't. That's not scummy though. I'm not pushing any sort of agenda with that, I'm just being obtuse.

All of these points are either shoddy or are things other people have noted before. The case is just an appeal to as many people as possible. Everything that hasn't been already put forth by someone else is half-baked.

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*mind you I'm not a neighbor

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5. "didn't make conclusions from drunk post" - apparently I was supposed to be able to interpret a drunkpost in a foreign language and make a conclusion as to his alignment from it. It was barely coherent German in the first place, how would a foreigner such as myself or anyone for that matter be able to draw anything from that. No one else did. Surely someone else scum read him as well, but none are held to this standard.

It might just be you have a play-stile I'm just not familiar with, his point here is that you took the time to translate the post, which implies a certain level of focus and effort (presumably you are looking for something alignment indicative, right?) but then did nothing with it, why not ask to clarify if it didn't make much sense?

I don't factor drunkposts into my reads of people. I occasionally do make reads on semantic issues (see performer vote in Mini 1740), and drunk posts are usually good for that since people are usually really honest when drunk and slip up, but the original text was in German so there's no point. Translating that post was a fun little exercise to me.

It's the same kind of tell I had on you earlier about Ircher's statistics, some scum players focus on these minutiae cause they already know the alignment of the player they are interacting with and come up with these alignment neutral statements to try to appear busy or to avoid lying.

As scum I'm usually the opposite; I focus on the grand view. My town game alternates between grand view and innocuous detail (see Red Neighboorhood mafia).

[Nosferatu]

5. "didn't make conclusions from drunk post" - apparently I was supposed to be able to interpret a drunkpost in a foreign language and make a conclusion as to his alignment from it. It was barely coherent German in the first place, how would a foreigner such as myself or anyone for that matter be able to draw anything from that. No one else did. Surely someone else scum read him as well, but none are held to this standard.

It might just be you have a play-stile I'm just not familiar with, his point here is that you took the time to translate the post, which implies a certain level of focus and effort (presumably you are looking for something alignment indicative, right?) but then did nothing with it, why not ask to clarify if it didn't make much sense?

I

normally

don't factor drunkposts into my reads of people. I occasionally do make reads on semantic issues (see performer vote in Mini 1740), and drunk posts are

can be

good for that since people are usually really honest when drunk and slip up, but the original text was in German so there's no point. Translating that post was a fun little exercise to me.

It's the same kind of tell I had on you earlier about Ircher's statistics, some scum players focus on these minutiae cause they already know the alignment of the player they are interacting with and come up with these alignment neutral statements to try to appear busy or to avoid lying.

As scum I'm usually the opposite; I focus on the grand view. My town game alternates between grand view and innocuous detail (see Red Neighboorhood mafia).

Top half didn't make sense and quote was broken

[Nosferatu]

1. It was lazy. You just jumped on the wagon you thought it had been moving. Also, you finished reading but didn't draw conclusions. Yeah, sounds legit.
2. Beetlejuice IS a tell. I repeat: I may have been wrong about it, but the fact that you mentioned later that you'd been ninja-ed, THAT made me think that you'd got nervous.
3. Sorry, misspelled. 1362, not 1263.
4. Persivul was town, therefore he could Chainsaw no one. Got it?
5. So, you translated my drunkpost only for fun? (According to your answer to Copper which took place later.) Huh.
6. I may have phrased it poorly, but I said this: if you flip scum, we may have an all-town Neighbourhood, because you hinted that "why not Masons" thing.
7. Huh? Are you saying that you were anti-town but not scummy?
+1 Since I was missing for a long time Yesterday, yeah, there could be points having pointed out by others. Do you really think it makes my case invalid?

What's no counter got to do with anything? Besides, there were counters throughout the day. In particular, Kill and Brawl, both of whom were town. Finally, the wagon flipped town so this post seems ex post facto rather than genuine.

By the time the Persivul-wagon gained momentum there had been no counters

matching

his wagon.
I understand your point of view, though, I would find a post like that scummy too if it had come from a player who had produced

nothing else

.

*checks in*
so zakk and titus and copper all still breathing?
ok.
*checks out*

What do you think of Nosferatu?

@shaz, you got pretty excited for a minute there when you thought someone had claimed something. Anything else you're interested in?

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

1. I jumped on a wagon I thought scumslipped. And in the third fornight, I didn't finish reading up with a catchup post with conclusions either. Go figure.
2. I don't see how my reaction is indicative of nervousness at all.
3. I don't see how I was gauging the momentum for your wagon there. I said I was fine with it.
4. If only there were words for how terrible that argument is. Abhorrent. Schlecht. Mal. плохой. It basically scumpaints every argument as to why a person is scum with another person.
5. yup.
6. no, not at all. I'm not in a neighborhood. I know nothing about any neighborhoods other than the ones outed. How does me flipping scum have anything to do with having an all-town neighborhood?
7. Anti-town and scummy are two different kinds of behaviour. Once again see game shop mafia. Over 50 pages of pure anti-town banter right smack in the middle that lasted for about 3 days. Neither of the exponents flipped scum.

[Nosferatu]

Everyone is a neighbor, Persivul, unless you live on a park bench or something. What's your role, though?

VIG NAHDIA REGARDLESS OF FLIP

brb

could you claim that hood you slipped way back when? It's bothering me now.

You're either dumb or scum pretending to be dumb.

was it a joke or something? Stop being a piece of shit and clarify.

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu is likely scum, she jumped on my early crap wagon, which Titus kindly provided, then voted for the Kop_slot (whom I am now assuming is a worse version of KTS), did her best to get Persi lynched without voting him cause otherwise it would have been a scum-pile (that knowing he would be lynched is a likely slip, she knew her teammates could hammer), her coordinated push with Nahdia today on Anen. is another sign that they are working together (one fills the list for the other when manipulating Titus after all).

Why is me filling in the list manipulating Titus?

the progression of this read is so shit

[Nosferatu]

I'm not going to lie - Copper's vote "analysis" where he is basically just tracking the votes reads as so strange and weird to me that I can't figure out what the town motivation is for doing something like that. Is there something I'm missing? What's the purpose? (I'm p. sure someone already called him out on this but I'm lazy and don't remember).

Also I should probably be more active and a large force in this game, but every time I look through this thread I pretty much think to myself "huh, yeah, my reads are still fairly similar. cool.", and I'm not sure what to post. I'll probably try to pull off some more analysis/in-depth reading for the sake of my own reads/.

its ok, it's totally normal for scum to have trouble figuring out when and what to post. You'll get it eventually

[Nosferatu]

btw if this is multiball 90% sure there's a representative of every scum team in the hood, so we should be looking for scum in the hood, not the scum in the hood.

[Nosferatu]

btw if this is multiball 90% sure there's a representative of every scum team in the hood, so we should be looking for scum in the hood, not the scum in the hood.

Is this a balance thing, or a ~reasons~ thing?

It's a "I've played in a large game with a neighbourhood before"

[Nosferatu]

Why are you putting so much thought into when and who you're going to push?

[Nosferatu]

My first game I nailed scum to a cross D1 hehe.

we still made it to LyLo cause no one believed me tho...

[Nosferatu]

hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
expedience
projectmatt
aneninen
titus

there, filled in.

This was me giving you guys my list of people willing to lynch today btw.

[Nosferatu]

"we still made it to LyLo cause no one believed me tho..." is what it says. Before you say this didn't happen, this was an offsite game.

[Nosferatu]

btw if this is multiball 90% sure there's a representative of every scum team in the hood, so we should be looking for scum in the hood, not the scum in the hood.

Really? We haven't lynch one scum player yet but you are worried about what would happen if one scum is lynched in the hood and how there could be more if this is multiball (giving it a 90% in that case no less)?

Setting up post Magna flip is what this likely is, otherwise this is so unbelievably shit (to use your jargon) that Anen's case on you looks like a excerpt from Plato.

I don't want to lynch magna though?

[Nosferatu]

kop can be added to the list of scumspects

[Nosferatu]

copper

expedience

projectmatt

aneninen

titus

This was me giving you guys my list of people willing to lynch today btw.

(This quote has been modified; it was Nosferatu's list using Nahdia's post)

Funny how this is Nahdia's list, plus the player that wanted Nahdia vigged.

funny that having similar reads to another person makes you scum with them

[Nosferatu]

You know how you guys were talking about me shadowing the persivul or anenien wagons, looking for support without voting? Notice that 4 different people have expressed a scum read on me. Note the lack of a wagon.

btw if this is multiball 90% sure there's a representative of every scum team in the hood, so we should be looking for scum in the hood, not the scum in the hood.

If this is multiball and Nos is scum, the hood is likely all town.

once again, if this is multiball, how would I know.

[Nosferatu]

what?

[Nosferatu]

This has got to be fake. If your scumteam has fewer than 4 players, you can presume multiball.

ok? I don't have a scumteam and I'm not presuming multiball.

[Nosferatu]

this is like playing with GiF man

[Nosferatu]

I'm not presuming multiball.

But you sure are posting about it and what would be "likely" in such cases instead of pushing your scum-reads, another entertaining mind exercise?

The lack of a wagon on you is a product of you being nr2 or nr3 scum on those that want your scalp (Anen literally just moved from you to PM after his latest posts), your narrative is ridiculous.

And yes, working in tandem and buddying up with someone you have otherwise had little dialogue with is suspicious, plus those are not similar reads, they are the same plus expe (who not only wanted Nahdia vigged, he also rightfully didn't like your attitude during the Persi wagon one bit).

literally posted about it twice. I don't push my scum reads very often. Town usually end up consolidating a wagon after 4 (5 with titus) people express a scumread on a slot instead of chasing vanity wagons.

As to the similarity with Nahdia's reads, I developed the majority of them D1 and they haven't changed that much since, only additions have been made.

[Nosferatu]

they have. They're just still here. I also literally said additions have been made. Titus and Kop were added within the last hour man

[Nosferatu]

I'm not presuming multiball.

But you sure are posting about it and what would be "likely" in such cases instead of pushing your scum-reads, another entertaining mind exercise?

The lack of a wagon on you is a product of you being nr2 or nr3 scum on those that want your scalp (Anen literally just moved from you to PM after his latest posts), your narrative is ridiculous.

And yes, working in tandem and buddying up with someone you have otherwise had little dialogue with is suspicious, plus those are not similar reads, they are the same plus expe (who not only wanted Nahdia vigged, he also rightfully didn't like your attitude during the Persi wagon one bit).

literally posted about it twice. I don't push my scum reads very often. Town usually end up consolidating a wagon after 4 (5 with titus) people express a scumread on a slot instead of chasing vanity wagons.

As to the similarity with Nahdia's reads, I developed the majority of them D1 and they haven't changed that much since, only additions have been made.

And why don't you push your scum reads?

just something I don't like to do. I'll end up tunneling or spamming up the thread. It's also pretty useless sometimes, because pushing really means ask them a ton of questions that have probably been asked in a different way and just wait for them to slip up, which might never happen. Much better to let everyone else push, and look at overarching scum motivation in actions.

Nos, can I get a reads list from you? Don't feel like you have to include everyone, I mostly want a current look at who you think is most scummy and who you think is most towny.

For scum reads, refer to list. For town ..ugh... Ircher and MoI seem town to me. Not willing to lynch shotty, but I'm not completely against vigging. That's really it for people I would call probably town.

[Nosferatu]

btw if this is multiball 90% sure there's a representative of every scum team in the hood, so we should be looking for scum in the hood, not the scum in the hood.

If this is multiball and Nos is scum, the hood is likely all town.

Saw this on a skim. The team he's not on could have a member in the hood.

welcome to the scum list.

[Nosferatu]

Votecount 2.6

Kop (3) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro
projectmatt (2) - Aneninen, cytheflyguy
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop

copper223 (1) - Nahdia, MagnaOfIllusion

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - copper223

Not voting (3) - Liger_zero, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

is this votecount correct?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: kop

[Nosferatu]

literally posted about it twice. I don't push my scum reads very often. Town usually end up consolidating a wagon after 4 (5 with titus) people express a scumread on a slot instead of chasing vanity wagons.

Whut? How does that make sense NOT pushing your scumreads?
And the latter part is not essentially true. What did you mean by that "4 (5 with Titus)" part?

There were 4 people. Titus joined in. Now 5.

As to the similarity with Nahdia's reads, I developed the majority of them D1 and they haven't changed that much since, only additions have been made.

Similarity with Nahdia's reads? Non-changing scumreads? Oh well... who else has non-changing scumreads?

They're not non-changing. It's just that none of them have given me enough reason to move them back into the town pile.

they have. They're just still here. I also literally said additions have been made. Titus and Kop were added within the last hour man

That's true, on the other hand.
Why did you add Titus? And why did you add Kop? (I want to hear the latter one with your own words. If you don't mind.)

Titus because literally 3 people who she scum read yesterday flipped town. Although there's no concrete reason in her posts that I can recall at the moment, that alone is enough for an inclusion on the list.

Kop because he's got no legitimate reads. his reasoning that cy is scum is bs and kop has played a game with me before. He knows how I play, his reasons are bs. The rest of his reads are like "yah ill check that out l8r xd". Let's also talk about the fact that he calls zakk shotty's scum buddy in 2452 and then says he hasn't read his iso in 2750 and doesn't have a read on him. Kop is scummy in his own right and on top of that replaced Seth who literally scum claimed. This is a scum slot and should be lynched today.

just something I don't like to do. I'll end up tunneling or spamming up the thread. It's also pretty useless sometimes, because pushing really means ask them a ton of questions that have probably been asked in a different way and just wait for them to slip up, which might never happen. Much better to let everyone else push, and look at overarching scum motivation in actions.

Please, explain how you have used this strategy in this particular game on your own scumreads!

Well. I haven't pushed anyone. Yet I have scumreads.

For scum reads, refer to list. For town ..ugh... Ircher and MoI seem town to me.

Not willing to lynch shotty, but I'm not completely against vigging.

That's really it for people I would call probably town.

The underlined part doesn't add up.
Also, two townreads? Is that all?

I don't think shotty should be lynched, but his play doesn't make him very easy to read, so a vig wouldn't be completely egregious.

[Nosferatu]

I'd ask for a rolecop to investigate, but kop can say he commuted or he dies at night because scum targets him when he doesn't. It's kind of an unconformable claim, and not likely that it'll be cc'd. Doesn't help that both seth and kop are scummy. Can't even ask for a vig. That's a lynch target man, just vig matt.

pedit:

@mod: do scum have daychat?

[Nosferatu]

That seems like an exaggeration - I just ISO'd Nosferatu and he's attacked Anen several times but refused to vote for him. That's part of why I scumread Nosferatu - because it feels like he's trying to set himself up for future credit if Anen flips scum, while still refusing to vote for Anen.

Regardless though, I'll try to compile what I specifically dislike about Anen.

you're absolutely fucking right I'm taking credit post-game when anen flips scum, cause I scumread that shit and the rest of the town didn't. I'm an egotistical bastard and that's what I do.

I'm not refusing to vote for anen, but I won't be today, because anen can be vigged or can be hit by cross kills. Kop is a much more realistic risk. When you've got two people who commit a crime, do you indict the construction worker who killed a man or the med-tech executive who committed fraud? The med-tech executive, since he's a flight risk! A commuter is objectively higher in priority in lynches because you can't vig him, unless you try over and over again, and at that point you're wasting vig targets.

[Nosferatu]

k so scum has an encryptor

ty mod

[Nosferatu]

as a side note to ircher, commuters usually flip town more than scum, since it's pretty weak for scum to not be able to act at night when you could just give them ascetic or bp to protect against vigs/cross-kills and investigations.

But that's inconsequential because Kop is scum.

[Nosferatu]

lit.

[Nosferatu]

?

I was right about anenien being scum and scum having an encryptor.

Although I was wrong about copper and expedience, I was considering taking off expedience from my scum reads. I don't have an excuse for copper though, I should've been able to turn that read around.

[Nosferatu]

liger.

[Nosferatu]

pls no he was scummy af

[Nosferatu]

kop's I presume

[Nosferatu]

didn't titus explicitly claim not vig?

[Nosferatu]

did you actually read that post and think that I wanted town cred from anen flipping? I was going to get town cred post game? lmao

[Nosferatu]

As for the vig thing I'm kinda looking:

Titus - probably scum
Shaziro - if titus is town probably scum
Liger_zero - PoE from neighborhood makes probable scum
Egg - is perpetually catching up and I don't like that.
projectmatt - probably scum or bad. The fact that bad is an option makes him lower.
Ircher - I'm on the fence.
cytheflyguy - might be lurkerscum
drmyshottyizsik - probably town but paranoia
Lowell - might be sk, or 2-shot strongman but probably not
MagnaofIllusion - probably town
zakk - probably town
Nahdia - probably town

[Nosferatu]

that's ordered btw.

[Nosferatu]

Christ alive, Ircher, I've made it very clear that it is bad for town for me to explain it. You're either scum who actively wants town to suffer, or just a VI who can't accept that he's wrong. Either way, I'm not explaining more than I already have, so stop fishing.

I'm not a VI; simply different.

Also, I'm 5-14 win-loss.

despite the fact that this furthers the point of you being a VI, why is it necessary to mention?

[Nosferatu]

also

@zakk: famaram why on earth do you want cy in lylo? Do you want to lose?

As for the vig thing I'm kinda looking:

Titus - probably scum
Shaziro - if titus is town probably scum
Liger_zero - PoE from neighborhood makes probable scum
Egg - is perpetually catching up and I don't like that.
projectmatt - probably scum or bad. The fact that bad is an option makes him lower.
Ircher - I'm on the fence.
cytheflyguy - might be lurkerscum
drmyshottyizsik - probably town but paranoia
Lowell - might be sk, or 2-shot strongman but probably not
MagnaofIllusion - probably town
zakk - probably town
Nahdia - probably town

Your ranked readslist is looking who is easy to lynch

If I was scum trying to strongarm mislynches, the list would also be in a different order. Shotty would be higher, ircher would be higher, along with cy and lowell, and zakk would be at the bottom. Magna would also switch places with liger. Try harder.

[Nosferatu]

...I actually agree with Titus. I think I'm easier to lynch than Titus, just because Titus is apparently a very slippery lynch-dodgy kind of player, but even then...I don't like agreeing with Titus, especially after what honestly looks like her trying to push me to roleclaim and asserting her interpretation of what was said as absolute fact...Titus. Look back at that conversation, assume that I've been 100% honest and that I didn't realize you were crumbing odd night, what I've said I'm not, ETC. Try and figure out what I -was- saying. Look at my behavior. See if it makes sense. I bet it will.

no you're harder. more people scum read titus.

[Nosferatu]

did you actually read that post and think that I wanted town cred from anen flipping? I was going to get town cred post game? lmao

this is a bad non-response, also of course if you say "i want credit post-game for calling out the scum when no one else did", you'll want credit when they flip scum during the game.

no, not at all. You're not making sense. Why am I looking for credit in anen's flip by throwing shade at him constantly, saying I'm going to take take credit for him in advance, and all the while not voting him or really pushing for his lynch? In my master plan to get cred for his lynch, I basically ensure it doesn't happen by continually attracting the attention of the town while busing my majorly town-read buddy? Are you serious?

By busing someone who is more townread than I am, it's much more likely that they'll think that I'm just doing it for cred, cause no one turns a read around like that. Like you aren't logically pursuing this point.

pedit: shit I didn't read that. uhhh eternally catching up?

[Nosferatu]

So, your response to me saying "I think that you were bussing Anen for town-cred" is to say "Nah, I wouldn't do that!", which really doesn't help me. I don't think I need to explain the benefits of bussing but not committing to the bus like you did.

Do you see how you're accusing me of busing anen for towncred? And how you were suspicious of me before the anen flip? Do you see how the choice in bus targeting here nullifies the point of the bus in the first place? QED.

[Nosferatu]

@zakk: famaram why on earth do you want cy in lylo? Do you want to lose?

wait wait wait LOL did you just call me "famaram"??

and actually i think cy and ircher are pretty easy to read + both probably town + if they're scum i'd grok that via power-scumhunting at the last second, and i bet i'd have a good chance of convincing the other one.

Your ranked readslist is looking who is easy to lynch

If I was scum trying to strongarm mislynches, the list would also be in a different order. Shotty would be higher, ircher would be higher, along with cy and lowell, and zakk would be at the bottom. Magna would also switch places with liger. Try harder.

i like this response for the most part, but why the "try harder"?

I just assumed she was setting up for a mislynch but I was kinda disappointed with the effort put into it.

on the other issue, I don't think cy in lylo is a particularly sage idea

Nosferatu-- do you have a response to projectmatt's 3308-3310 besides:

projectmatt - probably scum or bad. The fact that bad is an option makes him lower.

?

for the most part I share a similar opinion to his reads in 3310 except for a few outliers. Despite the fact that I didn't read it thoroughly before you just mentioned it, I'm willing to give a few town points, but that doesn't change his placing on the list by much in my eyes.

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu, I'd love to see a response to my accusations against you. (I know that you briefly responded to the Anen thing, but there's way more than that.)

Also you giving me some "town points" for having "good reads" when you clearly didn't read my post until Zakk mentioned it bothers me, but w/e.

I mean sure but there's not much to talk about atm.

regarding my switch from copper to seth, I felt more confident in my own observation skills than sheeping titus's in this case, copper was looking at bit more townie to me on a first glance.

I posted what I believe to be substantial posting about anon (my responses to his case on me), but yeah I didn't vote him at the time. Why? The closest answer I can give you is partially self-doubt and partially just "I dun wanna".

One thing I don't like here is that there are "choice things" concerning my interactions with anen but you only mention one. At the moment I can't think of any problems I see in this case other than like before with anen it seems easy to make. But don't worry I'll find more

So, your response to me saying "I think that you were bussing Anen for town-cred" is to say "Nah, I wouldn't do that!", which really doesn't help me. I don't think I need to explain the benefits of bussing but not committing to the bus like you did.

Do you see how you're accusing me of busing anen for towncred? And how you were suspicious of me before the anen flip? Do you see how the choice in bus targeting here nullifies the point of the bus in the first place? QED.

No, because the chance that someone (like me) may have suspected you of bussing your partner before your partner flipped does not in any way diminish the potential benefits of bussing.

I swear my point went over your head so fast, so high; you looking up and trying to make sense of it made your nose bleed right onto your keyboard and typed this post. The idea is that with the number of people suspecting me and the small chance of anyone changing their read because of the way I approached anen's wagon makes busing a waste of two scum members.

[Nosferatu]

although I do feel like your case is just trying to focus on the stuff anen didn't say...

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: zakk
that is a scum move man

not really. i'm sure i know what you're thinking

if you're town you're wrong and if you're scum then well, lol, k then

asking the 11 shot vig question serves no purpose other than for scum to know who to kill at night.

I had similar logic in the 4rd fortnight when I thought gorkington was scum but apparently people doing this shit is "promoting discussion" and townies do it often, idk why.

[Nosferatu]

*3rd

[Nosferatu]

regarding my switch from copper to seth, I felt more confident in my own observation skills than sheeping titus's in this case, copper was looking at bit more townie to me on a first glance.

I could buy this if you didn't proceed to still FOS Copper pretty strongly throughout the rest of the game, and never once actually state that he looked more town to you. This reads like a silly excuse to me.

You can tell the scum read diminished, because I stopped voting him.

I posted what I believe to be substantial posting about anon (my responses to his case on me), but yeah I didn't vote him at the time. Why? The closest answer I can give you is partially self-doubt and partially just "I dun wanna".

What??? This is not true!

In this post:

I'm not refusing to vote for anen, but I won't be today, because anen can be vigged or can be hit by cross kills. Kop is a much more realistic risk. When you've got two people who commit a crime, do you indict the construction worker who killed a man or the med-tech executive who committed fraud? The med-tech executive, since he's a flight risk! A commuter is objectively higher in priority in lynches because you can't vig him, unless you try over and over again, and at that point you're wasting vig targets.

You literally gave your reasoning for not voting Anen, and it was nothing close to "self-doubt" or "I dun wanna". Boo!

I gave my reasoning for Kop > Anen. I could've voted him before then but I didn't.

[Nosferatu]

@egg I asked the mod if my scum team had an encryptor and then got mad at him for outing it? You're hilarious.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Titus

[Nosferatu]

Spoiler: D1

Day 1 begins!

Votecount 1.0

The Chocolate Hills in the Phillipines!

Not voting (21) - heuristically_alone, MagnaofIllusion, Robert2424, Nosferatu, alban, drmyshottyizsik, ConvergentConclusion, zakk, I Am Innocent, Ircher,

copper223

, Egg,

SethYazura

,

Killthestory

, cytheflyguy,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13, Lowell, Titus,

TehBrawlGuy

,

EspeciallyTheLies

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Votecount 1.1

Acadia National Park in the United States!

Ircher (3) -

copper223

, zakk, drmyshottyiszk
drmyshottyiszk (1) - Ircher
I Am Innocent (1) - MagnaOfIllusion

Not voting (16) - heuristically_alone, Robert2424, Nosferatu, alban, ConvergentConclusion, I Am Innocent, Egg,

SethYazura

,

Killthestory

, cytheflyguy,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13, Lowell, Titus,

TehBrawlGuy

,

EspeciallyTheLies

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Votecount 1.2

Tianzi Mountain in China!

Ircher (6) -

copper223

, drmyshottyiszk,

Killthestory

,

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, zakk

copper223

(2) - Titus, Ircher
I Am Innocent (1) - MagnaOfIllusion
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - heuristically_alone

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
zakk (1) - Lowell

Not voting (9) - Robert2424, Nosferatu, alban, ConvergentConclusion,

SethYazura

, cytheflyguy,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13,

EspeciallyTheLies

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Votecount 1.3

The Eiger in the Bernese Alps!

Ircher (4) - drmyshottyiszk,

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, zakk

copper223

(3) - Titus,

Killthestory

, Nosferatu

SethYazura

(2) -

copper223

, Ircher
I Am Innocent (1) - MagnaOfIllusion
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - heuristically_alone

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
zakk (1) - Lowell

TehBrawlGuy

(1) - projectmatt

Not voting (7) -

Persivul

, alban, cytheflyguy,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13,

EspeciallyTheLies

,

SethYazura

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Votecount 1.4

Machu Pichu in Peru!

Ircher (3) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, zakk
MagnaOfIllusion (3) - heuristically_alone,

Persivul

, Lowell

copper223

(2) -

Killthestory

, Nosferatu

SethYazura

(2) -

copper223

, Ircher

TehBrawlGuy

(2) - projectmatt, MagnaOfIllusion
drmyshottyiszik (2) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Titus

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
Titus (1) - drmyshottyiszik

Not voting (5) - alban, cytheflyguy,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13,

SethYazura

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

Votecount 1.5

The Pyramids in Egypt!

cytheflyguy (4) - zakk, Titus, projectmatt,

SethYazura

Ircher (3) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy
MagnaOfIllusion (3) - heuristically_alone,

Persivul

, Lowell

copper223

(2) -

Killthestory

, Nosferatu
drmyshottyiszik (2) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Ircher

SethYazura

(1) -

copper223

TehBrawlGuy

(1) - MagnaOfIllusion

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
Titus (1) - drmyshottyiszik

Not voting (3) - alban,

Aneninen

, Desmond_13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

Votecount 1.6

Arches National Park in the United States!

cytheflyguy (6) - zakk, Titus, projectmatt,

SethYazura

, heuristically_alone, Ircher
Ircher (3) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy
MagnaOfIllusion (2) -

Persivul

, Lowell

copper223

(2) -

Killthestory

,

Expedience

SethYazura

(2) -

copper223

, Nosferatu

TehBrawlGuy

(2) - MagnaOfIllusion,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
Titus (1) - drmyshottyiszik

Not voting (2) -

Aneninen

, Desmond_13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

Votecount 1.7

Joshua Tree National Park in the United States!

cytheflyguy (6) - zakk, Titus, projectmatt,

SethYazura

, heuristically_alone, Ircher
Ircher (5) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy,

Persivul

, drmyshottyiszik

SethYazura

(3) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

copper223

(2) -

Killthestory

,

Expedience

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell

TehBrawlGuy

(1) - MagnaOfIllusion

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
Titus (1) -

EspeciallyTheLies

Not voting (1) - Desmond_13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

Votecount 1.8

The Great Barrier Reef in Australia!

Ircher (6) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy,

Persivul

, drmyshottyiszik,

EspeciallyTheLies

cytheflyguy (5) - zakk, Titus,

SethYazura

, heuristically_alone, Ircher

SethYazura

(3) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

Killthestory

(2) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

copper223

(1) -

Killthestory

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell

TehBrawlGuy

(1) - MagnaOfIllusion

Not voting (2) - Desmond_13, projectmatt

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 23.

Votecount 1.9

Mount Erebus in Antarctica!

Ircher (6) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy,

Persivul

, drmyshottyiszik,

EspeciallyTheLies

cytheflyguy (4) - Titus,

SethYazura

, Ircher, heuristically_alone

SethYazura

(3) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

Killthestory

(3) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

, MagnaOfIllusion

copper223

(1) -

Killthestory

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell
heuristically_alone (1) - zakk

Not voting (2) - Desmond_13, projectmatt

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Egg is V/LA until May 25.

Votecount 1.10

The Sahara Desert in North Africa!

Ircher (5) -

TehBrawlGuy

, Egg, cytheflyguy,

Persivul

, drmyshottyiszik

SethYazura

(4) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, projectmatt

TehBrawlGuy

(3) -

Killthestory

, Titus,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(3) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

, MagnaOfIllusion
cytheflyguy (2) - Ircher, heuristically_alone
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell
heuristically_alone (1) - zakk

Not voting (2) - Desmond_13,

SethYazura

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Egg is V/LA until May 25.
Zakk is V/LA until May 25.

Votecount 1.11

The Aurora Borealis in the sky!

SethYazura

(4) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, projectmatt

TehBrawlGuy

(4) -

Killthestory

, Titus,

EspeciallyTheLies

, MagnaOfIllusion

Killthestory

(2) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

cytheflyguy (2) - Ircher, heuristically_alone
heuristically_alone (2) - zakk,

TehBrawlGuy

Titus (2) - drmyshottyiszik,

Persivul

Ircher (2) - Egg, cytheflyguy
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell

Not voting (2) - Desmond_13,

SethYazura

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Egg is V/LA until May 25.
Zakk is V/LA until May 25.

EspeciallyTheLies

will be V/LA from May 25 to May 31.

Votecount 1.12

Victoria Falls at the border of Zambia and Zimbabwe!

SethYazura

(4) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, projectmatt

TehBrawlGuy

(4) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Killthestory

heuristically_alone (3) - zakk,

TehBrawlGuy

, Lowell
Titus (3) - drmyshottyiszik,

Persivul

,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(2) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

cytheflyguy (2) - Ircher, heuristically_alone
Ircher (2) - Egg, cytheflyguy

Not voting (1) - Desmond_13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

EspeciallyTheLies

is V/LA until May 31.
Ircher will be V/LA from May 30 to June 3.

Votecount 1.13

Niagara Falls at the border of Canada and the United States!

SethYazura

(4) -

copper223

, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, projectmatt

TehBrawlGuy

(4) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Killthestory

heuristically_alone (3) - zakk,

TehBrawlGuy

, Lowell
Titus (3) - drmyshottyiszik,

Persivul

,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(2) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

Ircher (2) - Egg, cytheflyguy

copper223

(1) - Nahdia
drmyshottyiszik (1) - Ircher
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

EspeciallyTheLies

is V/LA until May 31.
Ircher will be V/LA from May 30 to June 3.

Votecount 1.14

Mount Rainier in the United States!

TehBrawlGuy

(4) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Aneninen

Ircher (4) - Egg, cytheflyguy, drmyshottyiszik,

copper223

heuristically_alone (3) - zakk,

TehBrawlGuy

, Lowell

SethYazura

(2) - Nosferatu, projectmatt
Titus (2) -

Persivul

,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(2) - I Am Innocent,

Expedience

drmyshottyiszik (1) - Ircher
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone

Aneninen

(1) - Nahdia
zakk (1) -

Killthestory

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

EspeciallyTheLies

is V/LA until May 31.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 31.
Lowell is V/LA until May 31.
Ircher will be V/LA from May 30 to June 3.

Votecount 1.15

Cape Horn in Chile!

TehBrawlGuy

(5) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Aneninen

, Ircher
Ircher (3) - Egg, cytheflyguy, drmyshottyiszik

Aneninen

(3) - Nahdia, Lowell, projectmatt
heuristically_alone (2) - zakk,

TehBrawlGuy

SethYazura

(2) - Nosferatu,

Expedience

Titus (2) -

Persivul

,

EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone
zakk (1) -

Killthestory

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

EspeciallyTheLies

is V/LA until May 31.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 31.
Lowell is V/LA until May 31.
Ircher will be V/LA from May 30 to June 3.

Votecount 1.16

Kilimanjaro in Tanzania!

TehBrawlGuy

(5) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Aneninen

, Ircher

Aneninen

(3) - Nahdia, Lowell, projectmatt

EspeciallyTheLies

(2) -

Persivul

, zakk

SethYazura

(2) - Nosferatu,

Expedience

Titus (2) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, cytheflyguy

Killthestory

(1) - I Am Innocent
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone
zakk (1) -

Killthestory

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

Egg (1) - drmyshottyiszik
Ircher (1) - Egg
heuristically_alone (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

EspeciallyTheLies

is V/LA until May 31.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until May 31.
Lowell is V/LA until May 31.
Ircher will be V/LA from May 30 to June 3.

Votecount 1.17

The Badlands in the United States!

TehBrawlGuy

(6) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Aneninen

, Ircher, cytheflyguy

Aneninen

(4) - Nahdia, Lowell, projectmatt,

copper223

SethYazura

(3) - Nosferatu,

Expedience

, Egg

Killthestory

(1) - Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone
zakk (1) -

Killthestory

Egg (1) - drmyshottyiszik
heuristically_alone (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

Persivul

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) - zakk

Not voting (1) -

EspeciallyTheLies

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.

Votecount 1.18

Banff National Park in Canada!

TehBrawlGuy

(7) - Titus, MagnaOfIllusion,

SethYazura

,

Aneninen

, Ircher, cytheflyguy,

copper223

SethYazura

(4) - Nosferatu,

Expedience

, Egg,

TehBrawlGuy

Aneninen

(3) - Nahdia, Lowell, projectmatt

Killthestory

(1) - Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone
zakk (1) -

Killthestory

Egg (1) - drmyshottyiszik
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

Persivul

Titus (1) - zakk

Persivul

(1) -

EspeciallyTheLies

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-02 14:10:00) remain until day end

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.

Votecount 1.19

The Everglades in the United States!

Persivul

(7) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

, zakk,

Expedience

TehBrawlGuy

(4) -

Kop

,

Aneninen

, Ircher, cytheflyguy

Kop

(2) - Nosferatu, Egg

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
zakk (2) -

Killthestory

, drmyshottyiszik

Killthestory

(1) - Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - heuristically_alone
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

Persivul

Titus (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

Deadline is frozen at 1 day

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.

Aneninen

is V/LA until June 3.

Votecount 1.20

Devil's Tower in the United States!

Persivul

(7) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

, zakk,

Expedience

TehBrawlGuy

(4) -

Kop

,

Aneninen

, Ircher, cytheflyguy

Kop

(2) - Nosferatu, Egg

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
zakk (2) - drmyshottyiszik, Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - Shaziro
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

Persivul

Titus (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Killthestory

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.

Aneninen

is V/LA until June 3.

Votecount 1.21

The Blue Hole in Belize!

Persivul

(8) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

,

Expedience

, Shaziro, zakk

TehBrawlGuy

(4) -

Kop

,

Aneninen

, Ircher, cytheflyguy

Kop

(2) - Nosferatu, Egg

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
zakk (2) - drmyshottyiszik, Liger_zero
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

Persivul

Titus (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Killthestory

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.

Aneninen

is V/LA until June 3.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 1.22

Lençóis Maranhenses National Park in Brazil!

Persivul

(10) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

,

Expedience

, Shaziro, zakk,

Killthestory

, Ircher

TehBrawlGuy

(3) -

Kop

,

Aneninen

, cytheflyguy

Kop

(2) - Nosferatu, Egg

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
zakk (1) - Liger_zero
Titus (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Persivul

Not voting (1) - drmyshottyiszik

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Aneninen

is V/LA until June 3.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 1.23

Aigüestortes i Estany de Sant Maurici National Park in Spain!

Persivul

(8) - Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

, zakk,

Killthestory

, Ircher,

Expedience

TehBrawlGuy

(3) -

Kop

,

Aneninen

, cytheflyguy

Kop

(2) - Nosferatu, Egg

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
Titus (1) -

TehBrawlGuy

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Persivul

Not voting (4) - drmyshottyiszik,

EspeciallyTheLies

, Shaziro, Liger_zero

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 1.25

The Grand Canyon in the United States!

Persivul

(10) - Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

copper223

, zakk,

Killthestory

, Ircher,

Expedience

, Shaziro, cytheflyguy

Killthestory

(3) - Egg,

Kop

,

TehBrawlGuy

Aneninen

(2) - Nahdia, projectmatt

TehBrawlGuy

(2) -

Aneninen

, drmyshottyiszik

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Persivul

Kop

(1) - Nosferatu

Not voting (2) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Liger_zero

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Titus is V/LA until June 6.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 1.26

The Amazon Rainforest in South America!

Persivul

(11) - Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus, zakk,

Killthestory

, Ircher,

Expedience

, Shaziro, cytheflyguy, projectmatt, Nahdia

Killthestory

(5) - Egg,

Kop

,

TehBrawlGuy

, coppper223, drmyshottyiszik

TehBrawlGuy

(1) -

Aneninen

EspeciallyTheLies

(1) -

Persivul

Kop

(1) - Nosferatu

Not voting (2) -

EspeciallyTheLies

, Liger_zero

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Titus is V/LA until June 6.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Spoiler: D2

Day 2 begins!

Votecount 2.0

The Louvre in France!

Not voting (17) - Liger_zero, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus, zakk, Ircher,

Expedience

, Shaziro, cytheflyguy, projectmatt, Nahdia, Egg,

Kop

,

copper223

, drmyshottyizsik,

Aneninen

, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 2.1

The Burj Khalifa in Dubai!

zakk (2) - drmyshottyiszik, Lowell
Nosferatu (2) - Shaziro,

Aneninen

Aneninen

(2) - projectmatt, Nahdia
Titus (1) - cytheflyguy
Lowell (1) - zakk

Kop

(1) -

copper223

Shaziro (1) - Ircher

Not voting (7) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus,

Expedience

, Egg,

Kop

, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 2.2

CN Tower in Canada!

zakk (4) - Lowell, Titus, Shaziro, Ircher
Titus (3) - cytheflyguy, drmyshottyizsik, zakk

Aneninen

(2) - projectmatt, Nahdia
Nosferatu (1) -

Aneninen

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

drmyshottyizsik (1) -

Kop

Kop

(1) -

Expedience

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 2.3

The Eiffel Tower in France!

zakk (4) - Lowell, Titus, Shaziro, Ircher
Titus (2) - cytheflyguy, zakk

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt

copper223

(1) - Nahdia
projectmatt (1) -

Aneninen

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

drmyshottyizsik (1) -

Kop

Kop

(1) -

Expedience

Ircher (1) - drmyshottyizsik

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 2.4

La Sagrada Familia in Spain!

zakk (4) - Lowell, Titus, Shaziro, Ircher
projectmatt (2) -

Aneninen

, cytheflyguy

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt

copper223

(1) - Nahdia
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

drmyshottyizsik (1) -

Kop

Kop

(1) -

Expedience

Ircher (1) - drmyshottyizsik
Titus (1) - zakk

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

Votecount 2.5

The Empire State Building in the United States!

zakk (4) - Lowell, Titus, Shaziro, Ircher
projectmatt (2) -

Aneninen

, cytheflyguy

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) -

Kop

copper223

(1) - Nahdia
MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

Kop

(1) -

Expedience

Ircher (1) - drmyshottyizsik
Titus (1) - zakk

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 2.6

The Sydney Opera House in Australia!

Kop

(3) -

Expedience

, Lowell, Ircher
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro

copper223

(2) - Nahdia, MagnaOfIllusion
projectmatt (2) -

Aneninen

, cytheflyguy

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) -

Kop

MagnaOfIllusion (1) -

copper223

Not voting (3) - Liger_zero, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 2.7

The Leaning Tower of Pisa in Italy!

Kop

(6) -

Expedience

, Lowell, Ircher, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

projectmatt (2) - cytheflyguy,

copper223

Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro

copper223

(1) - Nahdia

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) -

Kop

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero

Not voting (1) - Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 2.8

The Colosseum in Italy!

Kop

(7) -

Expedience

, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, drmyshottyizsik, Shaziro, Titus
projectmatt (2) - cytheflyguy, Lowell
MagnaOfIllusion (2) - Liger_zero,

copper223

Titus (1) - zakk

copper223

(1) - Nahdia

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) -

Kop

Not voting (2) - Egg, Ircher

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23
Egg is V/LA until June 19.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 2.9

Bosco Verticale in Italy!

Kop

(9) -

Expedience

, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu,

Aneninen

, drmyshottyizsik, Shaziro, Titus, Ircher, Lowell
MagnaOfIllusion (2) - Liger_zero,

copper223

projectmatt (1) - cytheflyguy
Titus (1) - zakk

copper223

(1) - Nahdia

Aneninen

(1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) -

Kop

Not voting (1) - Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23
Egg is V/LA until June 19.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

Spoiler: D3

Day 3 begins!

Votecount 3.0

The Great Smoky Mountains in the United States!

Not voting (13) - Liger_zero, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus, zakk, Ircher, Shaziro, cytheflyguy, projectmatt, Nahdia, Egg, drmyshottyizsik, Nosferatu

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23
Egg is V/LA until June 19.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.1

Mount Elbrus in Russia!

Lowell (3) - Ircher, drmyshottyizsik, Shaziro
Titus (2) - zakk, cytheflyguy

Not voting (8) - Liger_zero, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus, projectmatt, Egg, Nosferatu, Nahdia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.2

Mount Everest in Nepal!

Shaziro (4) - Titus, Ircher, MagnaOfIllusion, drmyshottyizsik
Titus (3) - zakk, cytheflyguy, Shaziro
Ircher (1) - Nahdia
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Lowell

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, projectmatt, Egg, Nosferatu

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.3

Vinson Massif in Antarctica!

Titus (2) - cytheflyguy, Shaziro
Liger_zero (2) - Ircher, drmyshottyizsik
Shaziro (1) - Titus
Ircher (1) - Nahdia
Egg (1) - Lowell
Nosferatu (1) - projectmatt
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - zakk

Not voting (3) - Egg, Nosferatu, MagnaOfIllusion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

Egg is V/LA until June 24.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.4

K2 in Pakistan/China!

Titus (2) - cytheflyguy, Shaziro
Liger_zero (2) - Ircher, drmyshottyizsik
Shaziro (1) - Titus
Ircher (1) - Nahdia
Egg (1) - Lowell
Nosferatu (1) - projectmatt
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - zakk

Not voting (3) - Egg, Nosferatu, MagnaOfIllusion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

Egg is V/LA until June 24.
Nahdia is V/LA until June 26.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 27.
zakk is V/LA until June 26.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.5

The Matterhorn in Switzerland/Italy!

Titus (4) - cytheflyguy, Shaziro, zakk, drmyshottyizsik
Ircher (2) - Nahdia, Egg
Shaziro (1) - Titus
cytheflyguy (1) - Ircher
Egg (1) - Lowell
Nosferatu (1) - projectmatt
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, MagnaOfIllusion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

Nahdia is V/LA until June 26.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 27.
zakk is V/LA until June 26.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

Votecount 3.6

Mount Whitney in the United States!

Titus (5) - cytheflyguy, Shaziro, zakk, drmyshottyizsik, Nosferatu
Ircher (3) - Nahdia, Egg, Titus
Nosferatu (2) - projectmatt, Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - Ircher
Egg (1) - Lowell

Not voting (1) - MagnaOfIllusion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

Nahdia is V/LA until June 26.
MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 27.
zakk is V/LA until June 26.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

[Nosferatu]

@Titus: in kelbris's game you said the usual time for VCA is D3 tho?

[Nosferatu]

Lol at nos shooting for town cred by doing what I said I'd do

I see your game there LOL

why would I need more town cred after busing anen amirite

[Nosferatu]

what is a neopolitan.

a vanilla cop.

[Nosferatu]

what is a neopolitan.

a vanilla town cop.

[Nosferatu]

I've never seen a town Neapolitan tbh

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: Titus

I doubt any reasonable or experienced scum would claim that.

[Nosferatu]

I still say nos, egg, or magna is the play today.

i actually agree

vote: nos

I'd rather you not tbh

[Nosferatu]

Did you just call yourself a scum person lol?

[Nosferatu]

I still say nos, egg, or magna is the play today.

i actually agree

vote: nos

I'd rather you not tbh

Who are your top 3 picks for scum?

Egg, liger, and project matt

[Nosferatu]

Shaz would be up there, but I'm actually reconsidering that.

[Nosferatu]

Egg, liger, and project matt

Votecount 3.7

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

fine

VOTE: egg

[Nosferatu]

So yeah, based on that lovely note, I'd like to say that both Shaz and Titus are town based on that. If Titus is town and she thought Shaz was a PR, it would make a lot more sense for her to kill him and not pressure him in front of the whole town. I also don't think Shaz would crumb that he's a RB/JK as scum.

[Nosferatu]

Nos, he crumbed and retracted it.

but why would he crumb it as scum in the first place? Much more likely that he's town that doesn't want the scum team to kill him.

[Nosferatu]

Fine by me.

@Shaz: Why did you mention that you had ~reasons~ to believe that Titus is not the vig.

[Nosferatu]

Tell you what. I'll explain, in full, my ~reasons~ next day phase. But we've got to get there. How sure are we that Nos is scum? I'm honestly not seeing it so much anymore.

I quite frankly don't think you'll be living to the next day phase. How do you feel about Egg?

[Nosferatu]

I believe Titus's claim, and I'm not particularly surprised by it. Every time I see Liger post more, I get a little bit more suspicious of him as well.

P
I don't like projectmatt and Nos thinking my buying a house, moving, and working 16 hour days is scummy. That's effectively what you are saying when you scumread me for being behind. Just FYI.

Lol, talk about a misrep. The reason that I find you scummy has nothing to do with you being busy. I'm really busy too!

Obviously, you have time to invest into this game in spite of your busy schedule. My problem is that you've been spending that time making long wall-posts about stuff that happened beforehand, and never allowing yourself to catch up. You don't need to share your thoughts on every single page. That's why it looks to me like you're coasting.

I like your recent output too, but this is annoying.

I on the other hand wholeheartedly believe that it is completely scummy to buy a house. Willing to bet that money is hidden in the walls, there are illegal guns in the floorboards and other such contraband hidden in seemingly innocuous places. All items bound to be used to advance your mafia agenda.

[Nosferatu]

i think egg is town.

can I get a why on that?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: shotty

[Nosferatu]

the progression of that titus read doesn't make sense.

[Nosferatu]

Nos, if your lynch is a mislynch, who do you think is pushing it/being opportunistic about it? (I realize this is assuming he is town, I'm giving a hypothetical.)

PM I'm willing to consider as misled town. Other than that, no one is pushing the wagon. When you look at the votes, like 3 of them are on the same page. Zakk was probably bored, cy doesn't really even exist, and lowell, doesn't have the greatest skill in reading me. Liger is just scum.

[Nosferatu]

Shotty thoughts @Nos?

after titus's Neapolitan claim + Shaz incident no reasonable person would still want to lynch titus. Even zakk, who has wanted to lynch Titus since D1 acknowledges that she's not the lynch for today. This plus attempting to tie ircher with Titus over something that is completely unreasonable is practically a scum claim.

[Nosferatu]

Why does this feel like a counter wagon to Nos?

there was no proper wagon on me in the first place. Idk why the fuck you guys even voted me. Only matt really was invested and it's the main reason I'm beginning to turn around on him. Everyone else is just flopping around.

[Nosferatu]

but why would he crumb it as scum in the first place? Much more likely that he's town that doesn't want the scum team to kill him.

Do you really think that makes any sense given all the gymnastics he’s done today? He couldn’t have painted a more noticeable target on his back if he tried if he is Town.

Ok, what do you think is the regular town response for what happened to Shaz? In a situation assuming that townie Tim is in fact an odd night roleblocker. Tim crumbed that you had knowledge that Titus was town for god knows what reason, and she immediately decided to hound him like a dog for it. How does Tim respond?

[Nosferatu]

I doubt scum would even try to clear you as town, subtly or no, in the first place.

[Nosferatu]

Ok, what do you think is the regular town response for what happened to Shaz? In a situation assuming that townie Tim is in fact an odd night roleblocker. Tim crumbed that you had knowledge that Titus was town for god knows what reason, and she immediately decided to hound him like a dog for it. How does Tim respond?

Firstly – she didn’t “immediately decide to hound him”. His “reasons” post happened eartly Day 2 and yet it was only into Day 3 that Titus pressed him for results.

Secondly – I think a Town response would be, when called on it, to explain. There was no point as Town in your scenario for Shaz to say he didn’t think she was a Vig and then push her as scum Day 3.

There is not a Normal approved Role on MS that justifies the level of “I’ll explain later” we are getting from him.

I doubt scum would even try to clear you as town, subtly or no, in the first place.

So buddying isn’t a thing?

1. Remembered that differently. I stand corrected I guess.
2. I disagree but I see your point.
3.You think Shaz is buddying Titus?

[Nosferatu]

No final reads, as I honestly doubt you guys would follow them in the first place. No claim either, because it really doesn't matter. Probably going to be my last post. Leave a message at the beep.

[Nosferatu]

ayy zakk, you deserved the win; I only suspected you when I was about to get lynched. I was bad this game.