New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Liger_Zero]

Hello everyone, just joined the game.
Just noticed I am in a neighborhood with a few players, so thats a thing.
I guess that goes with the "Adventure" thing? Like an adventure party?

I don't know if i will honestly get to everything that has happened so far, but will try.

[Liger_Zero]

Hello everyone, just joined the game.
Just noticed I am in a neighborhood with a few players, so thats a thing.
I guess that goes with the "Adventure" thing? Like an adventure party?

I don't know if i will honestly get to everything that has happened so far, but will try.

*blinks* Whaaaaat? Don't tell me who but how many are in this hood? Depending on size, I may want to know who. What is the activity like?

Saga called Sir Cakez. Adventuring parties?

Theres four people in it.
And its only open at night.

I thought everyone might be in a hood for this game just by the name and how many people were in mine.
I guess not? Lol.

[Liger_Zero]

I am not in a hood. Given there's four people in it, the likelihood of scum in it is high (but not a forgone conclusion). If scum are in it, they know the names. So would you tell us who is in there?

Ummm are you hunting for people to kill? I don't think so.
They can reveal themselves if they chose to.
I will converse with them at night and if I scumread them I will out them.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't really want to reveal anyone unless I scumread them.
I don't want you FoS them based on just neighborhood likelyhood? Isn't it decided by the mod beforehand?

[Liger_Zero]

That's the point. It is decided by the mod pregame. Most neighborhoods beyond 3 have a scum of any given faction. It's not universally true, but usually is. Setups tend to be balanced on it. Check the wiki.

I mean, likelyhood and probability then don't really play a part though.
Because it wasn't randomized in those fashions I assume.

I can reveal it but I feel like if I do you are going to just attempt to lynch a neighbor over anyone else right now. Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.

[Liger_Zero]

I mean I guess it can't do that much harm?
Its Me, copper223, Persivul, and MagnaofIllusion.

[Liger_Zero]

Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.

This leads me to believe that you feel your ability to read those people is better than anyone else on the playerlist. Is this the case? What does your read on those people have to do with allowing others to get a better handle on them?

This tells me you have a big ego.

[Liger_Zero]

I'm just trying to get you to consider that this is a team game and bouncing ideas off other players can be really helpful as town.

If you want an honest answer, I think my ability to read players is above average, but I in no way assume I am better than anyone in this game, since i have never played with any of you.

[Liger_Zero]

Has there been a lot of discussion in the hood, Liger? By any one person in particular?

p-edit: I probably worded than worse than intended - it wasn't a judgement of you or your ability; it was more about using the other players as a resource.

The hood is only open at night, so zero discussion.

[Liger_Zero]

Oooo that's interesting. Not a fan of Titus pushing for so much info from liger right off the bat, but I find myself wanting to know too. I'm a sucker for free info.

Deadline extension much appreciated btw

Liger claiming the hood makes him more likely town, imo
I don't see scum claiming that right off the bat.

I am curious on why you think because of revealing the hood I am more likely town?
I mean given my thoughts earlier, I thought everyone was in a hood. Could I not have made a mistake and thought they were public knowledge already? So me confirming it essentially is just me relaying or reconfirming something someone else already said.

[Liger_Zero]

Getting my footing in this game is troubling, though I am reading Titus and EspeciallyTheLies as town right now.
I have no idea on my neighborhood buddies.

Zakk I don't like his reasoning on his pushes on players, but I am midlly townreading him.
Persivul and Magna I am unsure of, if one is scum I think its more likely Persivul, but that has no basis than just the general vibe of the posts.

[Liger_Zero]

I think Persivul is scum in the neighborhood.

So you read everyone else in the neighborhood as town?

[Liger_Zero]

Current thoughts:
The idea that the neighborhood is 1 scum is terrible imo. You're absolutely outguessing the mod on this, and it reads like a very easy way to set up chain-mislynches. I read the whole neighborhood as Town, tbh.

Titus's math on the neighborhood raises several red flags. From the PoV of a non-neighbor Town, assuming 5 total scum, and 1 in the neighborhood, the odds of hitting neighborhood scum are 1/4, and outside of that, it's 4/16, the same odds. If you're Town, you should automatically exclude yourself from being scum, obviously. Titus isn't doing that math from the PoV of TownTitus, because she can't, so instead she's doing it from a fully neutral view. Secondly, again assuming 5 total scum, 1 neighbor-scum, from a neutral PoV, the odds are 25% and 23.5%. Why the fuck would you ever pick which pile to lynch from for a

less than 2% increase

in odds? Shouldn't any reasonable Town player be far more confident in their reads than a >2% boost, which is only true if the set-up speculation is true, which is already a stretch?

Pers's ISO has me going both ways a little bit, but I settled on a town lean. I feel for him when he said "lynch me". I feel pretty damn similar. This game has been misrepping and confbias out the ass, while you're letting low-content/scummy content players like Seth and Heur off for free, while they get a front seat to watch the thread just devolve into crap.


Fuck set-up speculation, fuck lynching on math instead of reads. One of Seth/Heur needs to die. The bigger wagon right now is Seth, so join me on it.

I don't like this post, but I don't think its a scum post.
The problem with these math assumptions, is your trying to bring order to something a person (Who wasn't doing this from a mathematical point of view) to it.

If that makes any sense.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, it doesn't.

Well, the mod didn't use a mathematical formula to decide roles/alignments/neighborhoods, I assume so the math is irrelevant.

[Liger_Zero]

VI != town.

Doesn't VI stand for village idiot. And village means town.
Like, I agree a player can be a idiot and not be town. However if you call someone a village idiot you are implicitly saying he is town. Maybe just semantics, but maybe WI is better (Wolf idiot)

[Liger_Zero]

I am more inclined to vote for Zakk as of lately, I don't really consider his posts townie. He seems frustrated, but not in the way I would think from town. It seemed frustrated scum, which I am having hard time explaining.

VOTE: Zakk

[Liger_Zero]

Ugh, I am a bit mixed on him.
Like I read his case on Persivul, it seemed reasonable, but that doesn't mean scum can't make a good case?
I might just not want to be lynch Persivul cause he is in my neighborhood.

I do say Zakk has good points. I just can't pinpoint why I think he is scum, even though some of his content is screaming town.

[Liger_Zero]

My grammar is horrible. I need to get some rest. If the lynch is between Zakk and Persivul, I may go more towards Persivul right now, though I don't really want to.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Persivul

I don't know how I feel about this, but I believe this makes the player at L-1 again.
I think someone should declare intent and he should claim.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Nahdia
UNVOTE: Nahdia
VOTE: Persivul

Ohhh this put them at L-1, and then I hammered....
I should not come in here when I am this tired.

[Liger_Zero]

pfffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttt

You only posted this to steal the page top, didn't you?

[Liger_Zero]

I derped and didn't read everything that I missed, and did a quick skim. Which I saw EspeciallyTheLies unvote, and I missed the Expedience vote somehow.

[Liger_Zero]

Persivul, please claim right now.

[Liger_Zero]

I actually like Persivul respone to this:
UNVOTE:

[Liger_Zero]

I don't know how I feel about this, but I believe this makes the player at L-1 again.
I think someone should declare intent and he should claim.

What is this, like the fourth person to ask for a claim when I already have?

Apparently I am just stupid. Sorry about that.

[Liger_Zero]

How is titus not being lynched today seriously

Why should Titus be lynched at all?
I have a decent town read on her.

[Liger_Zero]

Hmmm....well I kind of think you are town based off that reaction.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't see where this wagon is coming from but I don't agree with it.
I will be here to discuss more on Sunday.

[Liger_Zero]

I have been busy lately, I was V/LA and I got prodded.
Can I still play?

[Liger_Zero]

You can stay, no one took the spot.

Okay, thanks.
Going to catch up now.

[Liger_Zero]

I think this is the best option right now:
VOTE: Magnaofillusion

Given, the wagons, I am not really sure what to think of them.

[Liger_Zero]

I am back now, and I apologize for my absence for most of this game.
I saw some things that struck me as odd, and will get to them now.

[Liger_Zero]

What? Why? That's about the first time you've even mentioned Magna in the game, apart from at the very beginning. Is it because I just lightly attacked him?

I haven't talked about him much and it was one of my first posts in the day. Why do you consider this tied to yourself? I really do think this site is full of people who really think its all about themselves.

What? Why? That's about the first time you've even mentioned Magna in the game, apart from at the very beginning. Is it because I just lightly attacked him?

I think this is the best option right now:
VOTE: Magnaofillusion

Given, the wagons, I am not really sure what to think of them.

Excited you're still here with us. I was pretty bummed when you were about to be replaced.

Talk to me about magna. I have a town read on him.
Also, talk to me about Titus pls

Magna has seemed kind of fake, and his participating in neighborhood didn't give me good vibes. He was the last one to talk, and it was near the end of the time it was open, which could be nothing, however it seemed like he did so in order to avoid one on one discussion with players. If one of the neighbors is scum, I do think its most likely him over Copper223. As far as Titus goes, she just seems very transparent here, I don't see any underhanded things with her. I mean if you can point to something that she has done that manipulative in a scum fashion, I may reconsider rereading her slot.

[Liger_Zero]

I feel like I should replace out. I'd hate too bc SirCakez is doing a good job with this game and I don't wanna force him to find another replacement but I'm in too many games rn and I'm absolutely useless here.

I don't want to read a 'possible replace out' post, but I kind of consider this a town post.

[Liger_Zero]

my bad copper

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy i was right on anen.

ok i guess i have to get more read now.

You shot Copper?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger abs magma move to middle section since copper was town

How does coppers alignment affect mine?
That doesn't make any sense.
Especially since he was town. How does that make move from town to null in your list?

[Liger_Zero]

I have weird thoughts, last few posts in the pt kind of made me think that Magna isn't scum.
I have no clue though, because if Nahdia was one to kill COpper thats all null.

The PT was a lot of attacking each other. Copper and magna calling each other scum.

Copper strongest scumreads were Nahdia and Nos, but they were kind of dependent on each other, which has me worried.

[Liger_Zero]

liger i think there was a lot of setup spec occurring with there being 1 scum in the hood. with copper dead that kinda makes it close in on you two. however, being that copper flipped town, i think it's odd that scum would make that kill if they have a member in the hood. they'd have to know that'd make the walls close in on them, so to speak.

I know there was a lot of setup spec based on hoods, and thats why I was voting magna yesterday cause he was null-scum to me, so I thought if setup spec was accurate he had the highest chances of flipping scum. I am not 100% on that anymore now, tbh.

And i am not basing reads on setup spec, because I don't know the mod at all to do setup spec.

[Liger_Zero]

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

I believe it was Titus?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger abs magma move to middle section since copper was town

How does coppers alignment affect mine?
That doesn't make any sense.
Especially since he was town. How does that make move from town to null in your list?

you're less likely to be town as well as magna given the flips in the hood so far

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

I feel like these two posts are weird that they followed each other, but it also could be genuine thought process....

[Liger_Zero]

Actually thinking Zakk is town, and he truly believes Titus is scum. Though I don't think Titus is scum. I think I will have to reread her.

[Liger_Zero]

I am really thinking of voting Nahdia.

[Liger_Zero]

Be my guest.

If I am your guest what will you be serving for dinner?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't have much to comment as of lately. Been busy.
I would be okay with a Ircher wagon as of lately reading his posts.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.

I have been lurking very hardcore. It is had to get in this game, and the amount of flips makes it hard to focus on simple things. I don't know, very demotivating in a way.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

Reasons?

Don't like your posts.
I believe you were also a scumread of Copper, so I think thats worth pursuing.

[Liger_Zero]

UNVOTE:
I need to think this over more. I was wrong about Copper scumreading you, he siad you were likely scum if this was multiball.

[Liger_Zero]

Why is everyone saying "one person left in the neighborhood is scum" yet nobody is voting either of us?
If what ircher says about not wanting anyone in the neighborhood around (Which makes no sense), why not try to force a 1v1?

I am fine doing a 1v1, but I am wondering why nobody else is pushing it?
I am pretty much doing this now because I don't trust my reads. I am doing this in service to copper.

VOTE: Magnaofillusion

[Liger_Zero]

3. Liger - The worse of the 2 in the neighborhood
4. Zakk - Healthy paranoia here
5. Pmatt - Good start, but became a lurksaxk
6. Egg - Being useless
7. Nahdia - AtE; Lousy misrep of me today
8. Titus - Healthy paranoia here; don't want to be stuck in LyLo with her
9. Cy - lynch all lurkers
10. Nos - Don't take chances
11. Magna - Don't want the neighborhood in LyLo either for WIFOm

This doesn't make any sense I want to point out.
First of all the first thing he says about me implies that one of the two remaining have to be scum.
Then 11 says don't want any neighborhood around for "WIFOM"? I don't think he knows what he is talking about. WIFOM is nowhere applied in this situation, neighborhoods were created by mod...

[Liger_Zero]

I just think the dead players had to be right about something, even though I feel like that isn't the right conclusion on Magna. I hate this, but dead players don't die because they have terrible reads usually. Its cause of one of these:
1) Good reads
2) Strong player
3) They think he is a power role.

For the record, both me and copper claimed power roles (Not specific role), I think we both had same game plan in mind. We pretend we have power roles, then if one of us dies, then the others are on more scrutiny. Now we didn't die that night. So I thought "maybe this thing is all town or scum called our bluff". So we went in next night, copper is heavy calling magna scum and vice versa. I said we should let cooler heads prevail and just go into discussion on other things (I didn't provide much but I didn't really have much thoughts like they did).

So I am thinking that magna is either scum or this was scum framing attempt? Thats my thoughts.
I am wondering why magna never commented on the power role stuff by copper? Not sure....

[Liger_Zero]

No, Copper did not. He specifically claimed the opposite. Post 7 if the neighborhood Copper specifically says he is a plain Vanilla Neighbor – he says “I would flip like Pers did”. So Copper did not fake-claim a PR in the Neighborhood.

Why are you saying he did?

Also now that Liger has outed that his PR claim in the Hood is fake – that is the only reason I was Town reading him. His contributions in the Hood have been pretty barren and his ISO shows a complete lack of scum-hunting. But his willingness to claim in the Hood Night 1 (even if it was a generic “I’m a PR”) I didn’t expect to come from scum. Now that he’s said it was a gambit that makes it a complete Null to me.

I actually re-read neighborhood, for some idiotic reason I thought I saw him claim a pr or something. You are right, he didn't claim pr, I for some reason thought that.

Again, this makes me think its all town.
I really don't know how good my instincts on this. I am really sheeping a dead player on this.

[Liger_Zero]

Spoiler: bad post

Why is everyone saying "one person left in the neighborhood is scum" yet nobody is voting either of us?
If what ircher says about not wanting anyone in the neighborhood around (Which makes no sense), why not try to force a 1v1?

I am fine doing a 1v1, but I am wondering why nobody else is pushing it?
I am pretty much doing this now because I don't trust my reads. I am doing this in service to copper.

VOTE: Magnaofillusion

See that's not what happened, in fact a lot of the discussion has ben about how you may both be town, however you seem to want MoI lynched. This tells me one of two things. Either you realllllly believe there is no way the whole hood is town, or you see MoI of a lynch that really should be easy, but is turning out not to be. I feel like you are much more likely to be the second one, and there for I think you are probably scum. While I was catching up, there were a few things you did over the last few pages that is just awful.

I just think the dead players had to be right about something, even though I feel like that isn't the right conclusion on Magna. I hate this, but dead players don't die because they have terrible reads usually. Its cause of one of these:
1) Good reads
2) Strong player
3) They think he is a power role.

This is all speculation and nothing more than a weak straw man cleverly disguised as an later excuse for WIFOM. This is nothing more than a reason to discredit the reads f people still alive, and simultaneously set your self up to say, I'm not scum I just don't have strong reads, good reads, and I haven't acted like a PR hurpa derpa.

3. Liger - The worse of the 2 in the neighborhood
4. Zakk - Healthy paranoia here
5. Pmatt - Good start, but became a lurksaxk
6. Egg - Being useless
7. Nahdia - AtE; Lousy misrep of me today
8. Titus - Healthy paranoia here; don't want to be stuck in LyLo with her
9. Cy - lynch all lurkers
10. Nos - Don't take chances
11. Magna - Don't want the neighborhood in LyLo either for WIFOm

This doesn't make any sense I want to point out.
First of all the first thing he says about me implies that one of the two remaining have to be scum.
Then 11 says don't want any neighborhood around for "WIFOM"? I don't think he knows what he is talking about. WIFOM is nowhere applied in this situation, neighborhoods were created by mod...

I don't side with Ircher very often but I have to here. Instead of thinking like town and saying well ya I can see why the hood may need t go away before lylo, you make excuses for yourself to live regardless of whether or not it is I the best interest of the town.

Why is everyone saying "one person left in the neighborhood is scum" yet nobody is voting either of us?
If what ircher says about not wanting anyone in the neighborhood around (Which makes no sense), why not try to force a 1v1?

I am fine doing a 1v1, but I am wondering why nobody else is pushing it?
I am pretty much doing this now because I don't trust my reads. I am doing this in service to copper.

VOTE: Magnaofillusion

Oh look another example of, well guys I'm not scum I'm just bad and I can't trust my own reads so let's just do this.

Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.

I have been lurking very hardcore. It is had to get in this game, and the amount of flips makes it hard to focus on simple things. I don't know, very demotivating in a way.

Again just excuses and preemptive defenses to things that shouldn't and don't even matter right now. Posting about how you've been lurking is just active lurking via post.


Also I don't have much time now so I'll wrap it up with this. Before you vote anyone liger you are always concerned with finding out the reaction of others before hand. You always say things like

I am really thinking of voting Nahdia.

or

I don't have much to comment as of lately. Been busy.
I would be okay with a Ircher wagon as of lately reading his posts.

or

My grammar is horrible. I need to get some rest. If the lynch is between Zakk and Persivul, I may go more towards Persivul right now, though I don't really want to.

You seem afraid of not voting with the group. You don't want to stand out, and you make sure your target is wagonable instead of just voting where you feel you should. This is a huge scum tell and I will now tunnel you.

VOTE: liger

I don't know how to dissect this post.
Some things are right, most is confirming itself.

I haven't been putting in 100% into this game, mostly because it seems like a boring game tbh.
I wouldn't be that dismayed at getting lynched to be honest.

Magna could 100% be town.
My reads this game are really likely horrible, and I have misread things bad (Such as the PT).

[Liger_Zero]

Then do something about it.

If you don't want to be lynched, then participate. If your town, then the previous lynch should've been a wake up call for you.

You, Cy, Kop.... All you need to stop lurking and actually do stuff rather than prod-dodge constantly.

Okay? I think you are not understanding the situation totally. Though I could be putting more effort into the game, I wouldn't say I am deep lurking...

[Liger_Zero]

Why are you sheeping a dead player again so systematically again? I get that you know his reads are honest but let’s look at his last big read post (2519) again –

He was wrong calling Anen Town being “pushed by scum”. By further contrast his scum reads on Nahdia and PMatt are probably wrong given those two don’t stand much of chance of being Anen’s partner.

So Copper while well meaning clearly isn’t infallible and I don’t think mindlessly sheeping him is necessarily smart play if you are Town.

I am nowhere saying his reads are 100% gold....I am saying there's reasons for him being dead and me being here.

[Liger_Zero]

Put more effort in. You are too lurking.

No.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Liger_Zero]

Glad to see wagon forming on nos, don't see anything else to add on this.

[Liger_Zero]

@Mod I cannot play this game anymore, I am actually surprised I wasn't replaced sooner.