New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Lowell]

FUCK YEAH! Large game!

VOTE: zakk

shotty, irch... you guys town?

titus? you town finally?

also copper is town.

[Lowell]

forget it, you're boring.

anyone else?

[Lowell]

I don't know... in the moment I kinda... meh...

Answer the question anyway?

[Lowell]

persivul and titus are town.

also I 100% agree with #160. This was the first post that really read scum-cautious to me. VOTE: tehbrawlguy

seth is newbtown. shotty is town. meh or irch, he's not reading town, but he hasn't crumbled under pressure either.

[Lowell]

I'm going to throw this out there and let it marinate. See how well it ages.

magna is scum.

Something about his ISO bothers me. He wrote a lot to just agree with two short posts voting for TBG. He's written a lot about a LOT, but somehow not much. Could be this is just the way he is, but he's looking a little "coachy" to me.

Also townvibes from ETL, lessening townvibes from titus.

[Lowell]

I'm going to throw this out there and let it marinate. See how well it ages.

magna is scum.

Something about his ISO bothers me. He wrote a lot to just agree with two short posts voting for TBG. He's written a lot about a LOT, but somehow not much. Could be this is just the way he is, but he's looking a little "coachy" to me.

Also townvibes from ETL, lessening townvibes from titus.

He is a very thorough usually.

okay, well, whatever, I'm damned sure not reading back games of someone that verbose. As I said.... consider, and come make this happen when we're done LOLhammering newbs*.


* in related news, I also plan to LOLhammer newbs.**

** but not seth. despite the sk claim (?) that guy is newbtown.

[Lowell]

@pers-- finally, analysis to go along with my gut read. there we go.

[Lowell]

VOTE: magna

We're through the looking glass, here, people.

[Lowell]

also can we just stop embedding everything? this thread is going to be awful.

[Lowell]

Don't replace me. Unexpectedly without internet until tuesday.

[Lowell]

I'm back. And lost in the damn woods after being frustratingly MIA for four days. Give me some time to catch up again.

[Lowell]

No internet again today. Fuck me. Should be back FOR REAL tomorrow... otherwise policy lynch me or something. jesus this is frustrating.

[Lowell]

I'm back, baby. From post 268, the last one I can remember:

308- copper calls out Nos' dumb post [+, hadn't thought of that]
317- matt wants my scumread on titus [I forget, but okay]
319- shotty continues hard charge on irch [-, meh, don't really see it, looks like bluster]
330- ETL disagrees, calls irch newbtown
345- titus agrees with ETL on irch
355- zakk calls seth excitednewbtown [+, agree with this entirely]
366- cy makes laziest vote ever [+, I sort of like this, shows he's carefree and doesn't care about obvvotes coming his way]
370s- cy wagon takes off [-, too easy, folks... ignore the low-hanging fruit!]
377- anen enters [+, particularly the part about shotty's weirdness was new and interesting]
393- ETL calls cy wagon lazy [+, yes, exactly!]
406- heur joins cy wagon after long rambling post [-, feels contrived]
400s- exped enters, townily
455- cy leads with 6 votes
491- pers votes irch for the contrived number system scoring [-, why now?]
493- good observation from copper on pers' post [+]
500- zakk votes titus, makes case [+, hadn't thought about this]
531- ETL calls out wagon on "null" cy [+, completely agree]
530s- Titus and ETL argue about cy wagon
5xx- nos says "um, but really, didn't seth claim scum?" [+, I don't agree, but this post looks town]
596- magna returns, votes killthestory [+, new content, this is good and what the game needed]
620, heur votes cy, then asks someone else to explain why [-, opportunistic]
662- seth explains what's wrong with cy wagon [+, very much agree]
670s- killthestory offers content [+, looks town here]


I'm buying irch, seth, and cy as newbtown. Particularly in the case of the latter two, I get a real sense of carefreeness which I like. Not everyone is the same, of course, but in my first few games as scum, I was cagey and careful as hell. I would

never

post something as votebaiting as "LOL haven't really read, whatever, VOTE X." seth's weird doubling down on the SK thing, while still confusing, also reads town to me. And Irch has had 30 pages to completely crumble, shotty has been on him from minute one, and hasn't, really. I also don't see what he has to gain by being so prolific a poster as scum, particularly since every time he posts he gets hammered by half a dozen players.

I'm also getting townvibes from exped, ETL, zakk, and egg. They've all been active, in a good way, and in a tone that strikes me as town. copper and matt are probably town.

VOTE: heur If I were forced to describe "lurking in plain sight," I would just cut and paste this guy's iso. He lazily joined the cy wagon (twice?), has offered nothing, and hasn't really made a case on anyone.

fos pers

I've come full circle on him. He now looks quiet and opportunistic, compared to what I was seeing early. In fact, he reads like scum who through good fortune earned some townpoints early and has been trying to coast on it ever since. I've seen pers do more than this, and given that this is a pretty dynamic game with lots of lolcharacters, I'm suspicious why I haven't seen it here.

fos TehBrawlGuy

This reads like newbscum to me. The difference between he and cy or seth is that he's being careful, and they're not. I dislike careful.

fos shotty

I don't know what to make of him. On the one hand, he's been tunnelling like crazy. In ISO, it's clear that ircher is the

only

person shotty thinks about at all. There's a case to be made here that he's tunnelling aggressively and trying to look active and combative while really causing offense to no one but ircher. On the other hand... I've definitely done this. Got a read in my head early, confbiased the shit out of it, and just lazily followed it down the river until the target, or I, am dead. Not necessarily alignment indicative.

Good to be back. Four days without internet is basically the world collapsing around me.

[Lowell]

Other players I haven't mentioned:

MagnaofIllusion: had a scumread here, which was only reinforced when, after I called him on it, he seemingly disappeared. However that seems to have been a coincidence, and I liked the way he jumped back in with some new ideas.
Nosferatu*: getting a townvibe here, more or less entirely from that "um, wait, didn't seth claim scum" post. but I'm done trying to sort nos
I Am Innocent**: who?
Killthestory*: strong town lean. I feel his entry has been good, if late.
Aneninen: neutral. I very much want him to be town, but i have the nagging feeling he's a little

too

polished in his reads
Desmond_13*: who?
Titus: slight scumlean. I'm seeing, a bit, the coaching allegation between her and irch. and she's done a few opportunistic things. But also she's been basically active and productive, so meh.

[Lowell]

@titus, I wanted to get a rival one going as well, and heur is more likely than TBG to me. But yes, push come to shove, I'll join the cool kids.

[Lowell]

fos pers I've come full circle on him. He now looks quiet and opportunistic, compared to what I was seeing early. In fact, he reads like scum who through good fortune earned some townpoints early and has been trying to coast on it ever since. I've seen pers do more than this, and given that this is a pretty dynamic game with lots of lolcharacters, I'm suspicious why I haven't seen it here.

Because it's a large, and you're comparing to minis. I find larges overwhelming. I believe this is only my second. The previous was The Dating Game. Check it and you'll see I wasn't very active until the numbers had reduced.

Sure, larges are overwhelming, and I'll take your word on your meta. Still, when I start to receive townvibes I go guns-blazing crazy, not hide in a shell. seems a little like you're cashing out while ahead, is the point.

[Lowell]

ETL > titus, who in my mind seems to be getting into it too much with shotty and irch in ways I don't understand

[Lowell]

@copper, he strikes me as newbtown. I think the SK "claim" was probably just a language flub, and if it wasn't, I doubt as scum he'd keep intentionally digging the hole deeper by bringing it up over and over again. It's all WIFOM, basically, but I'm good with it.

[Lowell]

@Magna, IMMA HAMMER NEWBS!

[Lowell]

ircher and shotty omgusing each other feels like a sideshow for me. I think its probably town v town. If one were scum, I think that player would be trying harder to get out of the 30 page flamewar that's making them both look bad. If both are scum, well, damn, well done on that commitment to bussing, but I just don't see it.

depth is for lamers

lamers and tryhards

I don't think I've played with her before but my god Nahdia is a revelation.

In other news, it's nice to see people coming around on Magnascum possibility. I've been all over on him, but good to know at least I'm not crazy for having (and then not having) that read.

[Lowell]

mod: I hate to do this, but I'll likely be without internet until Tuesday (again).... I promise this is not the normal

[Lowell]

I'm all-in on team nahdia.

VOTE: anen

I think he's crumbling.

[Lowell]

Back. Still reading through.

fos matt

not overwhelmed by projectmatt's read list in 1226. seems generic and tame, also more equivocal than I'd like. I also don't like zakk's dumbass voting block in 1275.

I'm also getting strong scumvibes from pers, who seems to show up every so often and do just enough to stay out of the limelight. I'd switch to him but it seems anen has the better chance.

titus looks more town than I remember, as does shotty. feeling very sure that cy is town.

some other things happening I'm sure. will get to them.

[Lowell]

liger is clearly town. one thing that hits me the wrong way:

liger says there's a neighborhood
titus says omg who b i bet theres at least one scum
liger says pers and magna
pers votes magna

Not a good look for pers there.

[Lowell]

liger is clearly town. one thing that hits me the wrong way:

liger says there's a neighborhood
titus says omg who b i bet theres at least one scum
liger says pers and magna
pers votes magna

Not a good look for pers there.

Why not? Do you disagree with the theory that there's probably one scum in the neighborhood?

I do. Which makes me wonder why you did this only after someone outed the neighborhood and said there's likely scum in it, even though you knew about the neighborhood the whole time.

[Lowell]

VOTE: pers I thought I had done this already.

[Lowell]

you know, that sort of makes sense to me. the vote still looks impulsive though, as if you're trying to get your vote in before others start looking at you.

[Lowell]

Jesus could this day end.

[Lowell]

Jesus could this day end.

Where do your reads stand now that you've mostly caught up? Strongest scumreads/strongest townreads?

Didn't I just do this? End this thing.

[Lowell]

Is zakk scum, btw? I'm really asking. bc damn I do not know.

[Lowell]

Jesus could this day end.

Where do your reads stand now that you've mostly caught up? Strongest scumreads/strongest townreads?

Didn't I just do this? End this thing.

No. You didn't. I'm interested in your updated reads. is there any reason you refuse to give them?

Are you serious? Is this the molehill you want to turn into a mountain? I've been fine. To the extent I have reads I've been giving them clearly. This game is busy enough, move on.

[Lowell]

Is zakk scum, btw? I'm really asking. bc damn I do not know.

this is a weird post.

if there's an alignment cop i request they check Lowell.

i thought the same. looks like Lazytown to me, which is why i answered it succinctly instead of overanalyzing it

don't know how Lowell-scum plays, but to me this looks more like a player trying to get back into the game mentally than someone trying to throw shade, bc 1. way too obvious in a short iso 2. easy to call out, like you just did, and 3. i assume lowell is smarter than that

and overthinking THAT would be overanalyzing. so he gets a detached townread for now.

zakk's right. I just can't sort him. If I thought specifically he was scum I'd say so. I don't do the "omg u guyz I don't know maybe X is scum guyz? but im just sayin'", as a rule, regardless of alignment.

What made me ask the question is that, despite being an active poster, I have no good read on him. Which is confusing for me.

[Lowell]

I'll be gone until Tuesday, so I have about 7 hours to cast my last vote of the day. As of now I'm fine with pers....reading back the last few pages zakk looks better and pers looks worse.

I sort of want to know what happened to the TBG wagon, though. Seems like he may have got out of a lynch by going MIA, a bad precedent. I don't see TKS's case on ETL, though I do have a strong townread on TKS. Titus has been fine, nahdia is still clear town to me. Also I'm sure there's other players but meh.

[Lowell]

No lynching day 1 is almost always detrimental to town, isn't it? I believe I read that or something.

This is...I don't know. Anyone have experience with this guy? I'm dying to cast a vote here, this looks as contrived as anything I've seen.

[Lowell]

I'm back.

VOTE: zakk

I was coming around on this yesterday. Wish it had happened sooner. I'm also intrigued by the anen case. Not seeing copper case, meh on Titus.

[Lowell]

VOTE: Shotty

seriously why?

Also I'm beginning to think this might be a long con after all, and that we're watching the most sustained double-bussing ever.

[Lowell]

Titus, Lowell, AND Nadia - what do you think of the last minute wagon trend AWAY from Persivul even though all scum whatever kind knew he wasn't them? And with KTS flipping town too even more WTF

I don't understand this question at all. I guess... those people were smart? Except that scum also didn't use their kills effectively, so it probably means nothing.

[Lowell]

Really what I think is "homework" like this is why many people think you're scum. This looks like straight-up chatter, for nothing.

[Lowell]

Assumedly by self-voting. Again, I get that you won't do it, it was a stupid thing to offer, but I think it's interesting that you -did- offer it. As for burden of proof, all you saying "Oh it's not weird, it's a part of my meta!" and then refusing to prove that it's a part of you meta does is show that you're being disingenuous. It honestly seems to me like you're just saying things to get lynches on people other than you and then hoping anybody who would question it gets killed or forgets.

VOTE: Nosferatu

A perfect example would be your telling KTS to vote Percivul because "If he's town I'll death tunnel myself". Obviously, you wouldn't do that, because either way it'd be playing against your win-con unless you're a jester, which is apparently not in this game. KTS, however, went ahead and voted Pers because of it. That is you saying something to get somebody lynched.

fos shaz

This one has been percolating for awhile as well. This has as much to do with his predecessor as it does shaz, but I don't like this kind of thing. It's low-hanging fruit. He has no case, is making no effort to actually make his case strong enough to get attention, is just jumping on a throwaway comment and pretending it matters. It's as though he's saying "what's the least amount of substance I can put behind a vote to make it look plausible, without risking others actually agreeing and me having to defend it."

also fyi I'm null on nos.

[Lowell]

@zakk, your longer "OMG that wasn't mindless chatter" OMGUS post looks even more like mindless chatter than the previous one did.

@shaz, you got pretty excited for a minute there when you thought someone had claimed something. Anything else you're interested in?

[Lowell]

@zakk, your longer "OMG that wasn't mindless chatter" OMGUS post looks even more like mindless chatter than the previous one did.

if this is your only response

then you can hang by the neck until dead

Not gonna happen, guy. You're going to have to NK me.

[Lowell]

VOTE: shotty

If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.

This is really dumb. Titus explained why. This is zakk-diversion masked as "oh I totally agree with you on zakk"

@shaz, eh I've seen shotty so much worse. Other than the lingering thought that maybe we're being played with the whole shotty/irch double-tunneling thing, I don't really see too much scum here lately.

[Lowell]

Unless you're bussing. In which case, that's fine, carry on.

[Lowell]

Eh, shaz, I don't know. Seems like you live to waste your vote as well. how's that amazing nos case going for you?

[Lowell]

VOTE: shotty
@shaz, eh I've seen shotty so much worse. Other than the lingering thought that maybe we're being played with the whole shotty/irch double-tunneling thing, I don't really see too much scum here lately.

You either mean he's been much more obvious as scum, or he's lurked and made noise worse. In either case, I don't think that just because he's been worse, he can't be scum now. Honestly, I would expect people's scum games to get better over time, wouldn't you?

I...guess? Is this an argument against meta-gaming entirely? I'm on board if it is, but I'm curious. I'm sure as shit not going to go back and ISO you, but if ever you referenced another game as a reason so-and-so means so-and-so, I call you a hypocrite, sir.

[Lowell]

@kop, I still don't understand this. You say shotty and zakk are both scum, but we should vote shotty (over the existing wagon, zakk). Then you say "on the offchance zakk is town" it points to shotty being scum.

So, shotty is scum either way, then, and zakk has nothing to do with it? If so, why bring up zakk at all?

[Lowell]

okay, nahdia, tell me about copper.

I've had him as a townread for awhile and haven't really spent much time thinking about it. Now you have me thinking about it, and for some reason 2540 looks suspicious to me. It's equivocal and wordy, a combination that worries me.

[Lowell]

I like zakk's 2553 a lot, especially for calling out copper's ridiculous "vote analysis" as pure fluff.

[Lowell]

So that egg can stfu about this, respectfully:

Shaziro: scum. his predecessor was bad, he is bad, everything is bad. The nos "case" in particular was maybe the most contrived thing I've seen
MagnaofIllusion: slightly scummy? I don't really remember, he's been a non-factor lately
Nosferatu: no read on him, nor am I going to try considering the head-games he played on me a few games ago.
Expedience: town. there was a stretch of the game awhile back where I felt his energy really moved things forward, in a pro-town way
drmyshotty: town. other than the long-standing (and confusing) feud between he and ircher, I don't see much scum there. he's been willing to engage and in general I'm okay with his productivity.
projectmatt: null. also a non-factor of late.
zakk: lean scum. I'm starting to lose some of the certainty I had on him a few pages ago. I liked several of his recent posts (esp 2553, see above) and his activity level has certainly been a boon. It's the kind of game where it's been easy for folks to hide (see, matt, nos, magna, etc.) so the fact that he hasn't tried to is probably a point in his favor.
Liger_zero: no idea
Ircher: lean scum. between he and shotty (who are inexorably linked in my mind) he in general looks worse. I get the vibe of someone trying to slow things down.
copper223: null. I want to know more here. I had a strong town read on him, but some people see it differently and I want to see why.
Egg: town, probably, but activity is low (I know, I know)
Kop: null
cytheflyguy: lean town. still on the the newbtown bandwagon with him, based almost entirely on his early comments. haven't seen anything to change my mind.
Aneninen: lean scum. I thought he started to crack yesterday under pressure. I'm not sure what happened today to change that.
Nahdia: town, though her "vote copper or else" schtick is starting to wear thin.
Titus: null. there's a lot to read here, I just can't decide.

[Lowell]

@copp and zakk, ya'll ain't lynching me. move along.

[Lowell]

oh actually 2579 is good

it shows you've been paying attention

why haven't you been commenting on more things as they happen?

Because it's a large, and that would be tedious. Thanks for your appreciation, though I'd dispute that "paying attention" is a town tell.

@copp and zakk, ya'll ain't lynching me. move along.

why are you including copper in this

Because of 2758?

[Lowell]

edit: 2578

[Lowell]

I want to agree with nos and anen on matt's 2589. It's bad. But I ISO'd him and I'm not sure he isn't just newbtown. Seems like almost TOO obvious a confession of scum-uncertainty.

[Lowell]

Lost the thread. Will catch up on Monday.

[Lowell]

VOTE: cytheflyguy

I think this is scum. Looked through his ISO and I can't get a read that says town. And that vote seems more opportunistic than a genuine vote.

Here's an opportunistic vote. And whoa do I know opportunistic votes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kop

Still happy to vote zakk if we can. But since it's going nowhere, here's another idea. This reads very much like "shit who can I find who is a plausible vote, but not a current bandwagon, and isn't likely to come back at me." Even the way it is worded "I can't get a read that says town" is equivocal as whoa. It looks vaguely like coaching, but I don't think it is. I think just kop is scum.

[Lowell]

prodge, still here.

[Lowell]

hey the kop wagon is actually happening. I'm a trend-setter. You're welcome, world.

[Lowell]

At work atm so got a spare 2 minutes.

Lets put a stop to this waste of time wagon. I am a 2 shot commuter. I did not commute last night.

Oh I didn't see this. This is going to be dumb question for someone who has been around for over a decade, but what's a commuter?

[Lowell]

It's an untargetable that can't perform any other action while being in said state.

So, basically un-NKable two-shot? What other action are you referring to?

[Lowell]

Thanks, think I've got it. 2x unNKable, normally a town role but not necessarily, cop believes it and irch doesn't.

[Lowell]

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

[Lowell]

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

And why is this town indicative? Quite the opp -- Town would prefer not to get nk'd whereas scum will make their fakeclaim obvious so they can use it as a "Get out of jail free" card.

What I'm saying is I've definitely leaned on a claim as town but haven't done it as scum. As scum it's more of a desperation move. So I see this as more of a town move. As though he looked at his role and thought "ah, okay, well I won't have to try very hard at first if I don't want to." But yes I get that this is WIFOMy, so sure, feel free to disagree.

[Lowell]

@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

[Lowell]

@zakk, ah okay, I see. well, I'm not, so. Also your argument against me would imply kop is scum too, so I'd say it's important.

[Lowell]

@zakk, I've been here since 2006, but that includes five years or so off and I normally play "normals" as much as possible--mostly because I don't like games with confusing roles. So, no, I hadn't seen commuter before. Or if I had, I had forgotten about it. I could have wiki'd it I guess.

I agree with Liger that nahdia's "omg replace me" post--while I'd like to not read too much into it--looks very town. I also think exp's bizarre "claim, no jk don't claim" sequence likewise looks town. Though I can't say why... something about the openness of it, maybe. zakk gets townpoints too for his aggression, though I could see that as scum pressing his advantage as well, depending what kind of mood I'm in when I read it.

I'd like to hear the case on kop a little better explained. Like I said his power wouldn't seem to be such a great loss, but my inclination towards calling him town was the over-eagerness with which he claimed. It just doesn't seem like something scum would want to do until they KNEW they were in big trouble. Why not just, be more active, if you're scum?

[Lowell]

VOTE: kop

LOLHAMMER!

This day has gone on too long, and I am thirsty for blood. No one wanting to drop the hammer here makes me think we're on the right lynch. I don't know that titus' quasi-claim precludes a 2-shot role, but I am convinced by the argument that as town kop's claim is relatively useless but as scum it's very very powerful. So sit back and let's enjoy.

I'm also not so worried about a wagon being "scum driven." If this is indeed mulitball as it seems, scum are equally searching for scummy players, so I'm less inclined to believe it's in anyone's interest to push "obvtown" wagons. That gives the votes a little more heft.

tl;dr-- kop has been basically useless, and his role is useless as town and powerful as scum.... so let's DO THIS!!

[Lowell]

WooooOOOOOOO time to bask in the glory of the many many accolades coming my way. zakk, you start?

[Lowell]

Lest both scumgroups attack me and I die a thousand hilarious deaths, my top scumreads are projectmatt and anen, with my top townleans as zakk, cy, and nahdia.

[Lowell]

Or maybe both scumgroups AND vig (sk?). That would be fun.

[Lowell]

On my phone. I will have thoughts on Monday when I'm back at work.

[Lowell]

*pulls hair out* These flips.

Will read up tonight/early morning.

Looks a bit like crocodile tears here. OMG U GUYZ IM SO MAD UGH WE LOST SO MANY TOWN O MAN.

Thoughts on Lowell's fast hammer before we could discuss the my modifier based CC?

You asking permission?

Hrm..... Will wait for reviews and perhaps compile the Lowell case

You asking Titus' permission?

This has been pointed out before (by shaz I think? to lazy to look back), but I'm starting to see the link between titus and irch. At very least they're both trying to feel around to see what kind of traction they can get on me before they actually commit to facing my wrath.

[Lowell]

preemptive defense: LOLHAMMERs are great and those who do them are great.

[Lowell]

I've thought about it and I'm going to give this game a punch in the arm with an unsolicited claim.

I am a 2-shot vigilate

I killed KTS on night one and Anen on night two

. KTS I killed because he was the second-leading wagon and I felt like if he had lived we'd have just fought the same battle in D2 as we did in D1 and he probably would have been lynched anyway. Also I figured scum weren't going to kill him for that same reason. I was on the fence on him. I had some slightly stronger reads, but no one I was so confident in that I couldn't pass up. This kill was of debatable quality, but I mostly still think it was an okay play. I killed Anen for various reasons I don't need to dwell on, but mostly I felt he was coasting and a bit too polished. He had already talked his way out of a (minor) wagon, so I was worried we had missed our chance to lynch him.


I'm claiming for a couple of reasons. Mostly, scum have been shitty shitty scumhunters and I want to narrow the field to help them do our job for us. Now that I'm VT I don't think I'll be a target. Also if there's a doc they're probably like "wtf do I do right now" with the field this scumheavy, so I figured I'd present myself as an option (just an OPTION, I say!) if needed. If we're dealing with one big scumgroup and an SK, well maybe I shouldn't have done this, but even so I doubt I'll be the target.

Also, on the Kop hammer. While I quite obviously believed the 2-shot nature of the claim, part of me wondered whether it wasn't created in some sort of balance to a 2-shot vig kill. I still was only 50-50 at best, but it's the reason I talked myself into thinking he was scum. Also, and more importantly, I really really REALLY like LOLHAMMERs.

[Lowell]

alright so 3 things

first, i'm inclined to believe you

second, if you were 2-shot, why didn't you claim then? that could very well have saved his life, and there was no way scum could have stopped your second shot, you'd have just died while getting your second shot off

and third, what do you think of titus's 'counter-claim' now in light of the fact?

I don't understand the question. If I had claimed yesterday I could have been roleblocked. Also, saved whose life?

[Lowell]

Ah, I see. Well, again, I thought my role made Kop more likely to be scum, not less. Also, the other obvious thing I said.

[Lowell]

Townpoints to shaz and shotty for being so very very wrong about me. It's bad that they're wrong, but good that they don't mind being wrong.

Scumpoints for titus for being obv right and trying to buddy. Everything she says about my claim goes without saying. Seems counterintuitive, I know, but in general I find those trying to stay on the good side of conftown are scum.

Also, @zakk, yes, basically I changed my mind on kop. At first I was focused on the 2-shot part and thinking "hey, yeah, that's def true," but then I thought about it and decided even if the claim is TRUE, it doesn't mean it's town. Especially given my killing role is also 2-shot. Also again I don't want to lie to you, having the opportunity to be the LOLHAMMER was a big draw. It may have clouded my judgment a little.

[Lowell]

Yeah fine you could be town too, I guess. But I don't take back what I said about shaz and shotty. No way they get that active and agitated over a vig claim (esp a now moot one) if they're scum.

[Lowell]

At any rate,

VOTE: magna

This was my second option last night, for more or less the same reasons as anen, only less so. I feel like there's some coasting happening here. Titus for sure could be scum, but to her credit at least she's tangling with the scumhunting ADHDers among us. I feel like magna's doing just enough to get by.

[Lowell]

fos project matt

Thought about him as well. I'd also be interested to hear a lot more from nos and liger, the two I have the least read on and (by default) tend to lean scum.

[Lowell]

3205 is a disaster.

MoI for lynch.

[Lowell]

I need more from cy, liger, and nos before we do anything. Normally I'm not the "omg stop everything let's get lurkers talking" type, but the field is getting too narrow to let this go on.

[Lowell]

@magna, why are you assuming one scum team and an SK, out of curiosity?

Anyway magna's probably scum, but I need to try something.

VOTE: egg

Let me let this settle. Yep, feels good.

Something about his ISO, eh, I don't know.

[Lowell]

Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.

[Lowell]

I weirdly like 3352. and am getting a strong newbtown read from liger. I've also been mostly satisfied with matt's recent posts. I appreciate his making a new case--always helpful, and reads town.

Zach's "let's rank everyone" idea is bad. There's a reason it's scummy to set up multiple lynches. Setting up 11 lynches? more bad.

I also fully agree with Titus' commentary on nos' list being just an exercise in who can most easily be lynched.

My current scumlist, in some order:

egg, nos, maga

[Lowell]

My reservation about this list is that they're all playing the same way: experienced players basically lurking around not leading the action, which seems unlikely they'd all choose to do at once. Still, on balance, this is a good place to look. My kingdom for another vig shot.

[Lowell]

I voted egg and I see a lot of people circling the pool trying to decide whether to jump in. Just do it. Magna's point on this is the right one.

I'm also okay with a liger wagon if that's what is happening. I'm ready to kill some chumps.

[Lowell]

I'm here, just checking in. Not overwhelmed with the cy vs titus thing, honestly. though I'm due for a reread on cy. I've had him as town since nearly the beginning based on some newbtown read, but I've been burned on that before.

[Lowell]

I'd lynch titus if it actually got the game going. I'm just not sure it will. Esp if she were to flip town I feel like we'd be stuck in the same place. of course you're basically all scum at this point so whatever.

[Lowell]

I'll jump on this, even though there's some scummy mofo's there.

VOTE: nos

[Lowell]

I don't mind the naked vote, actually, from liger.

[Lowell]

3525 confuses me. magna, why wait until I gave up on the egg wagon to join it? you tryin' to look cool without actually risking lynching anyone?

[Lowell]

I buy the claim. She's been hinting at a role forever. Not clear what her pro-scum motivation would be for doing that. scum PRs are targets for the other scum or sk faction.

also,

@mod

, starting on July 2 I'll have limited access for roughly a month. I should be able to check in every couple of days or so but I won't be as active as normal and some of those check-ins might be prodges. We're 144 pages in and I'd like to keep playing. So, we cool with not replacing me?

[Lowell]

I still say nos, egg, or magna is the play today.

[Lowell]

Let's get this wagon moving, gang. I'm feeling good about cytown and better about ligertown.

nos is trying really hard to play it cool. fine, if that's what s/he wants. lynch anyway.

[Lowell]

I say deal with shaz tomorrow, if it comes to that.

[Lowell]

yeah this new wagon is sketchy as hell. I'd be more worried if it weren't so transparent.

[Lowell]

I believe shotty's claim and believe he's probably town for it.

None of this has to do with lynching nos, egg, or magna tho, so....

[Lowell]

I don't see a problem with ircher's vote-hopping. I tend to see it as more of a town move, since it draws attention (a) from everyone you vote, and (b) from anyone doing zakk-type vote analysis. If there's one unifying theory of scum, it's that they want to avoid attention while appearing not to.