Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Xkfyu]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

[Xkfyu]

Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Any other thoughts on the game state? What convinced you on ranger?

I've really only read the latest vote count, and this page, so far.

I did like your analysis in 975 though. I just threw you into the scum pile to see what you'd say.

Ps that's l-1

I'm ok with that.

[Xkfyu]

So if you liked 975, are you stronger on ranger or btd? "Hi everyone I'm naked l-1'ing in my first post" is fun and all, but an actual opinion on everyone would still be nice.

I'm stronger on Ranger. She self-voted, right?

I'll give opinions on people as I form them.

[Xkfyu]

Damn, I guess DBG isn't Ranger's buddy. He probably wouldn't have put her on L-1 in, 152, if he was.

Honestly, I'm not real sure why Ranger hasn't already been lynched. I would have lynched her based off her third post in the thread (Post 92).

[Xkfyu]

{Alpaca, Alexcellent}
{BTD6}
{KickAssAndGiggle, innocentvillager}
{Kappy, shotty}
{Music and Mail}
^Approximately where I'm at right now.
I want Music and Mail lynched.
They're like 95% scum, and lynching scum is good.
If for some ungodly reason I read them wrong and they're town, then they can still scumhunt as invincible town who cannot be nightkilled and therefore cannot be silenced.

Win-win as far as I can tell.
Ergo, we're lynching Music and Mail no matter what.

The "town cannot be silenced" argument as a way to justify being wrong, even going so far as saying it's a "win-win," is invalid.

[Xkfyu]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

OK. Now I understand.

I originally thought you were going to actually say who the target was most likely to be.

No. The "Who's someone IV has a history with?" was a rhetorical question, meant for the firefighter to answer in his head.

I figured that out after your post.

By the way, another quote pyramid is building up.

That's the point! I love quote pyramids.

The more we talk about it, the more scum benefit.

Statements like these always seem really scummy to me. Especially when they are randomly inserted into a conversation that the person wasn't even involved in.

[Xkfyu]

Yep. Also the weirdly high town read of alpaca, and the "95%" bit. Also "lynching scum is good" pings me as awkward, though that's a much more minor point.

I'm not sure about alpaca yet, and the "95%" thing doesn't necessarily surprise me coming from Ranger, but you're right about the "lynching scum is good" feeling awkward.

I'd lynch her solely based on the invalid logic though, even if the rest wasn't there.

[Xkfyu]

In post 981, Xkfyu wrote:
Don't worry guys. I have it all figured out already. Ranger, BTD, and mhsmith are all scum. So, it doesn't matter who we vote for.

VOTE: Ranger

Just need full clarity here...the first sentence is a joke right?

Yes.

You're not xkf from 2p2 are you?

who goes on vla for 3 weeks

No.

[Xkfyu]

Oh IV, you sly little devil.

Never mind my 991. The Shotty/DGB slot is town.

BTD and Kappy/Panther are probably town as well.

[Xkfyu]

Also the weirdly high town read of alpaca

Yeah, I definitely see your point now.

[Xkfyu]

She's not pushing an agenda.

The agenda is non-committal passive scum.

And surviving this one day.

[Xkfyu]

You're not xkf from 2p2 are you?

who goes on vla for 3 weeks

No.

btw these were separate thoughts

second part was about btd saying he's on vla until august 9th

Oh, well, the answer is still "no" to both.

[Xkfyu]

You're not xkf from 2p2 are you?

who goes on vla for 3 weeks

No.

btw these were separate thoughts

second part was about btd saying he's on vla until august 9th

Oh, well, the answer is still "no" to both.

Wow, I just now got what you were saying.

The lack of a question mark after the V/LA comment really messed me up.

[Xkfyu]

Holy shit, the apathy in this game is real.

You guys have been doing this D2 thing for going on 6 weeks now huh?

[Xkfyu]

I'm through the first 200 posts and am finding it hard to find the drive when there is no posting and half the players haven't posted since I subbed in

I did a quick skim of the thread.

I'll be doing some ISOs, and read bits and pieces of it, but there's no way that I'll be thoroughly reading the entire thread from start to finish.

[Xkfyu]

Oh IV, you sly little devil.

Never mind my 991. The Shotty/DGB slot is town.

BTD and Kappy/Panther are probably town as well.

where did this come from/what is the context?

I have hated two particular shotty posts so far in my read

Post 243. Shotty not only believes IV's scum claim, but he's happy to tell everyone how confident he was in IV flipping scum based on that one post.

[Xkfyu]

Shit.

UNVOTE: Ranger

Hold up.

[Xkfyu]

Shit.

UNVOTE: Ranger

Hold up.

I missed this in my skim through, but what I said about Shotty also applies to Ranger in 216 and 217.

[Xkfyu]

In post 243, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I didn't need anything else. That post alone is why I death tunneled you. You gave your self away man.

Same with this one. And it's about IV's reply to his terrible post 71 where I fully agreed with IV's reply to him. His reason was "you're asking others for reads instead of trying to solve" which was 1) demonstrably false and 2) not anything in any game where on page 3 you'd genuinely believe someone "gave themselves away." it's just a fake and bad reason to justify a tunnel on someone

The strenth of Shotty's reasons is completely irrelevant. It is painfully clear that Shotty believed that he had caught scum.

[Xkfyu]

In post 243, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I didn't need anything else. That post alone is why I death tunneled you. You gave your self away man.

Same with this one. And it's about IV's reply to his terrible post 71 where I fully agreed with IV's reply to him. His reason was "you're asking others for reads instead of trying to solve" which was 1) demonstrably false and 2) not anything in any game where on page 3 you'd genuinely believe someone "gave themselves away." it's just a fake and bad reason to justify a tunnel on someone

The strenth of Shotty's reasons is completely irrelevant. It is painfully clear that Shotty believed that he had caught scum.

Disagree. And I think that this post was the only post that looked potentially more fake

Alpaca's awakward "this is a long twilight" pinged me out to. Like he was fearful of saying anything about the situation

I don't really know what else to say then. It's very obvious to me.

We do agree on Alpaca's awkwardness though.

[Xkfyu]

Well, I won't be voting DGB, Panther, BTD, or Ranger for the rest of the day. So, that only leaves Alpaca, smith, and Titus.

I don't have any problems with smith's posts, so it's really down to Alpaca and Titus, for me, today.

Panther's point about Alex is good, and I didn't see anything from Touka, or Titus that impressed me. So, I think that slot is a good lynch.

VOTE: Titus

[Xkfyu]

Yeah, what IV said.

[Xkfyu]

Well, I won't be voting DGB, Panther, BTD, or Ranger for the rest of the day. So, that only leaves Alpaca, smith, and Titus.

I don't have any problems with smith's posts, so it's really down to Alpaca and Titus, for me, today.

Panther's point about Alex is good, and I didn't see anything from Touka, or Titus that impressed me. So, I think that slot is a good lynch.

VOTE: Titus

Why is there no DGB comment in here?

There is. At the beginning.

[Xkfyu]

I'm pretty sure that DGB, Panther, and Ranger are town. So, I won't consider voting for any of them today.

I'm not sure at all who the scum are though.

[Xkfyu]

Reading ISOs.

Smith, your posts are just.......long.

[Xkfyu]

Ok, I've read enough of Smith's posts to know that I'm not willing to vote him today as well.

That only leaves Alpaca, BTD, and Titus.

[Xkfyu]

@xkfyu: why on the town reads for each of the four? I don't need an essay but would like a bit more than "they're town"

Says the guy who writes nothing but essays lol.

Anyways, DGB, Panther, and Ranger are all based on their (or their predecessor's) reactions around the time that IV's scum claim gambit. I know Panther says that they could have been faked, but I feel good enough about them to not consider voting them today.

Honestly, I'd like to throw BTD into that pile as well, but out of all of them, his seemed the least genuine. Plus, I haven't seen anything yet in his ISO that I have really liked.

In respect to you, your posts just seem like genuine town trying to solve the game. Someone mentioned you asking a lot of questions, but not taking any serious stances, if I remember correctly, but that doesn't really concern me, as I have a tendency to do that as town on a pretty regular basis.

[Xkfyu]

Mod, V/LA until 9th July. My Internet is unpredictable here. I will still try to be active when I can, though.

Anyway, still nothing from Ranger about why it was the best option to self-vote. If there is no reply we need to seriously consider Mhsmith's idea, that Ranger was just trying to deliberately avoid being lynched by self-voting, and in that case we must consider lynching Ranger.

VOTE: Ranger

I am fairly sure that at least one of Ranger/Mhsmith is scum now.

I hate everything about this post.

1) implied "if ranger DOES reply then never mind"
2) writes it in a way designed CLEARLY to blame me if ranger flips town, while basically just sleeping part of my read on her
3) naked "well one of them is wolf" bit
4) slides right in to the l-2 slot from someone who's been bandwagoning all game

Btd, if you were anything other than consistent mislynch bait I'd be all over you for that vote. As it is... I dunno. I still hate it.

Smith, why'd you say that BTD was mislynch bait here?

[Xkfyu]

What do you think of the posts shotty made specifically and panthers take on them?

I thought Shotty was genuinely celebrating and bragging on how he caught scum based on one post.

Panther says those kinds of posts are easy to fake. While I don't necessarily disagree (not completely, anyways), that doesn't suggest that it is faked.

At some point you have to make a decision on what is faked and what isn't, and I don't think this was.

[Xkfyu]

Wrt your last post, btd tends to be mislynch bait as town, including in open 644 which we just had together.

Yeah, that makes sense, considering some his posts.

That's too bad. I kinda wanna lynch him, but that makes me hesitant.

[Xkfyu]

No lynching is bad, but lynching Ranger would have been worse. So no, I wouldn't have hammered Ranger to ensure the lynch.

I would, however, have tried to move the lynch to someone else. Sorry I wasn't around for the deadline. Weekends are always tough for me, as far as activity goes.

[Xkfyu]

hot take: smith and titus aren't w/w

seriously though..I pride myself on detecting theatrical distancing...I'm really fucking good at it. the past two pages aren't that

I agree with this. I was thinking the same thing as I read it.

[Xkfyu]

Smith is on L-1

L-2 right?

Or did I miss a vote?

[Xkfyu]

oh wait lynch is still 5 since there are 8 voters. so nevermind the L-1 thing

5 votes with 8 alive is fucking tough. this site is dumb for not having plurality deadline lynches when maj isn't reached before deadline. but in this particular instance I think it worked out

I'm not keen on lynching Smith today, anyways.

I'd much rather lynch inside of {Alpaca, BTD, Titus}.

[Xkfyu]

VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

This is what I want to do today.

[Xkfyu]

I'll explain later.

[Xkfyu]

Don't replace me. I'm here. Sorry, forgot to set V/LA for the weekend.

[Xkfyu]

I'll explain later.

I will look forward to it

Admittedly, I didn't have any solid reasoning. I just wanted to see how you'd react and see who would follow me.

DGB followed me, but has since moved away. I've been town reading her, so I'm not sure that that tells me anything.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I don't like the smith lynch, mostly because 2 (Titus and BTD) out of the 3 votes on him are in my lynch pool.

[Xkfyu]

DGB, what's up with your vote on Panther?

[Xkfyu]

this game...

this site actually

Agreed. We need a lynch. Like, 6 weeks ago.

[Xkfyu]

UNVOTE: BTD6_maker

VOTE: Titus

Fine with this.

[Xkfyu]

DGB, what's up with your vote on Panther?

Did Panther claim doctor? What's wrong with my vote?

Lol I think Panther is town. That's all. Why do you think he's scum?

[Xkfyu]

My Internet should hopefully be better for now. Hopefully.

Anyway, there are two interesting points, both of which happened in Newbie 1700.

Firstly, outing PR reads is the one thing I should not have done. I am not sure what to make of PantherPunt and DGB. I currently Townread both of them. DGB seems like a very confused Townie at the moment.

Secondly, Doctor is a role that SHOULD never be lynched. However, it happens. Indeed, it happened purely because a Newbie hammered without intent. While I do not support No Lynches, this risk must be balanced against the benefits of lynching. This is just a possibility, but staying off-site when a lynch is imminent and near the deadline could be beneficial to scum as intent would have a lower chance of becoming a hammer due to this risk. Ranger probably presumed someone would give intent. Since this is just a possibility (and Ranger was completely off-site) this is unlikely and thus very weak, but worth bringing up.

I have no idea what the point of any of that actually was.

[Xkfyu]

I really just don't think that Smith is scum here.

[Xkfyu]

I really just don't think that Smith is scum here.

Awesome; why?

I'd really like people to substantiate reads on people as much as they can. This would be a helpful spot for it tbh.

It's really just the game state of the entire day. I mean, your posts don't come off as scummy to me, but they don't scream town to me either.

Basically, I'm never voting DGB, Panther, or Ranger in this game, which makes my lynch pool Alpaca, BTD, Titus, and you, and I'd say you have probably been the most townie out that bunch.

Not only that, but you have been the only real lynch candidate for today and the fact that your wagon consists mostly of the others in my lynch pool bothers me.

It's obviously not you and Titus, and I doubt it's you and BTD. So, unless Alpaca is suddenly bussing you, I see no scenario in which you're scum.

[Xkfyu]

Hey, if you're town, your attitude is part of the problem. If you dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you as simpletons or lazy, no one wants to work with you. People process things in different ways.

DGB's mistake could have been she didn't understand how trees worked, throwing PR cover or something else entirely. We didn't know at the time.

So how's about treating us like we're equals and engaging reads rather than peacocking about how you outed our PR.

^ part of why I think Titus is town. I think making this post (screw you for calling me dumb and/or lazy) is outside her wolf range barring good evidence to the contrary.

I'm fine with moving my vote to either BTD or Alpaca, but those two and Titus are the only ones I'm considering for today.

You won't have my support on anyone else.

[Xkfyu]

Why are Panther and Ranger clear to you?

Because of their (or their predecessor's, in Panther's case) reaction to IV's scum claim at the end of D1.

Same with DGB (Shotty's reaction), even before her claim.

[Xkfyu]

Why?

Kappy/Panther slot:

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

Kappy tried to figure out who IV had a history with so the Firefighter would have a good idea who to protect. That's not a thought process that came from scum, after realizing that IV was fake claiming.


Ranger:

Ranger's early peg on me as scum was enough to fuck us over fast. How do you do it Ranger?

Well I told you.

Early-game content is my specialty.

I'll try and figure out your partner tomorrow, since there's no N1 possibility of death.

Celebratory tone at thinking she found scum mixed with a pinch of arrogance, which I've seen from a town Ranger who found scum.

But, I have to be completely honest here.

I lied.

I wasn't 100% sure you were scum at all.

I was actually less sure about you than I was on Music and Mail! Especially with your later posting.

I was kinda afraid I'd be getting lynched tomorrow, and then we'd be in D3 with no assured scum leads, my credibility shot, and nothing to go on.

Admittance of a lie. If she's scum here, knowing that IV is going to actually flip town, she doesn't admit that.


Shotty/DGB slot:

I didn't need anything else. That post alone is why I death tunneled you. You gave your self away man.

Again with the celebrating and braggin that all he needed was one post to "peg" IV.

This one, I'll admit, is probably the weakest of the bunch, but luckily DGB has claimed Firefighter, so it had to be genuine.

[Xkfyu]

Those posts are not good for Ranger. I would have said no to Panther if I thought this was their only site. Other sites with Panther, I could see them reading and thinking legit scumclaim if I squint.

@mhsmith, You know why Ranger's proposition to lynch us back to back is bad if you're town and she's scum?

Ranger pushing IV for that comment as a scumclaim isn't good at all. Ranger would know better. Scumtopics on this site are not quick topics but private topics.

I don't understand what you're saying. IV's scum claim was fake, to get reactions.

[Xkfyu]

Xkfyu wrote:
So, unless Alpaca is suddenly bussing you, I see no scenario in which you're scum.
What bus?
The way Alpaca handled mhsmith is one of the reasons Alpaca made my shortlist in the first place.

I was referring to Alpaca's recent vote on smith.

[Xkfyu]

@mod I'll be V/LA for the weekend, and likely not be posting. I'll be back first thing Monday morning (EST).

[Xkfyu]

OK, < 48 hours left. What is everyone's lynch pool for today?

{Titus, BTD, Alpaca}

In that order.

[Xkfyu]

If you guys don't want to lynch Titus, I'm also willing to compromise on BTD.

UNVOTE: Titus

VOTE: BTD6_maker

[Xkfyu]

What's the vote count?

[Xkfyu]

Yeah, I'm here too. How long exactly until deadline? Two hours?

[Xkfyu]

This is ridiculous.

[Xkfyu]

I can't stand the thought of another no lynch, and I'm not gonna vote Ranger.

UNVOTE: BTD6_maker

VOTE: mhsmith0

[Xkfyu]

And we're still probably gonna no lynch.

[Xkfyu]

I'm still here too.

[Xkfyu]

I'm going to bed.

[Xkfyu]

Same shit that's been happening, I'm assuming, but I'm still with you on Titus.

VOTE: Titus

[Xkfyu]

V/LA for the weekend

[Xkfyu]

I had this nagging feeling in the back of my head that I was being played by Panther, but I thought I was just being paranoid. Well played scum.

[Xkfyu]

Honestly, I'm just glad it's over.

[Xkfyu]

Agreed.