Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Kappy]

drmyshottyizsik

BUSSED SO HARD!

[Kappy]

oops that's a vote
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[Kappy]

VOTE: Kappy

Dragon's breathe fire, so he's definitely an arsonist.

Actually,

firedrakes

breathe fire. My profile picture is a mountain dragon, the largest dragon. Mountain dragons do not breathe fire.
VOTE: KickAssAndGiggle for not knowing his dragons. There's a difference between firedrakes, icedrakes, mountain dragons, and wyverns.

[Kappy]

Aww Kap you were supposed to keep your vote there and see how he reacts

Sure! VOTE: shotty - I'm too lazy to type the whore thong.

InnocentVillager, if the pressure is required then someone else will probably will vote him. That runs the risk of someone missing the L-1 and inadvertently hammering, thinking that they are putting him at L-1. If anyone does put him at L-1, please make it very obvious.

Shotty is at L-1!!!!!!!!!!

That obvious enough?

[Kappy]

Lol we have intent on shotty and he hasn't even posted. He's just that obvscum.

[Kappy]

Welcome.

[Kappy]

If anyone wants some incentive to hammer myshotty, if he flips town we'll still give you a chance to flail a bit D2 before we lynch you

If he flips scum, we'll autoconfirm you as town and if you're maf that's great incentive to bus

This makes no sense! If he flips scum, you're conftown? No, why would town know he was scum? It would be a coin flip, and no townie wants to take that chance. If he flips scum, the hammerer would be scum.
VOTE: innocentvillager until I understand this logic.

[Kappy]

Not based on much! But I kind of didn't like the vote/unvote/revote.

In post 17, Kappy wrote:
In post 15, innocentvillager wrote:
Aww Kap you were supposed to keep your vote there and see how he reacts

Sure! VOTE: shotty - I'm too lazy to type the whore thong.
In post 16, BTD6_maker wrote:
InnocentVillager, if the pressure is required then someone else will probably will vote him. That runs the risk of someone missing the L-1 and inadvertently hammering, thinking that they are putting him at L-1. If anyone does put him at L-1, please make it very obvious.

Shotty is at L-1!!!!!!!!!!
That obvious enough?


The change of vote when shotty got to L-1 suggests maybe that Kappy wasn't comfortable with being on the wagon, but the above post makes it seem like he's putting him back at L-1 with villager and BTD6's permission.

My other vote was an RVS vote. It didn't matter who I voted for. I like to jump around during RVS.

[Kappy]

Just putting pressure on him to force him to explain himself.

[Kappy]

UNVOTE:

[Kappy]

Yay. Ranger.

[Kappy]

Also, scum can technically prime and kill a stump, but there is very little incentive to do so.

Unless the stump was already primed before it was lynched. Then they at least cut off its discussion ability.

[Kappy]

To respond to your Kap post IV I see it as a complete null. I honestly think that it is more likely for a scum to quickhammer his buddy in RVS than it is for a townie to take the risk on hitting scum. If somebody quickhammered in RVS no matter what the other person flipped I would consider them scummy and at the very least anti-town, I just generally wouldn't' want them to stay super long in a game since they are either ridiculously impulsive, scum, or just make generally bad moves. That said I don't scum read him for it since I think that post could have come from either scum or town.

So you are saying that Kap didn't fake his confusion, but regardless, he could still be scum. Let's ask Kap himself and see what he has to say about this, since he hasn't commented ever since that post I found so interesting.

@Kap Do you understand the logic now, or not? What was your thinking when you wrote the post where you voted me?

I just didn't understand the logic and put pressure on you so you would explain.

[Kappy]

Oh, and pagetop!

[Kappy]

Alpaca instantly became a townread for 28

???????

I am the new sushi and using my spiritual communication I have heard sushi say that BTD6_maker is confirmed scum since he is so smart.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

This looks like RVS. How you get a read from it? Sure, it's, funny, but that doesn't make it towny. Scum can joke too. I don't understand your logic. Unless this was you trying to find a reason to defend your scumbuddy when there was none...
VOTE: Ranger

[Kappy]

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Hmm...
Town reading someone for RVS with no reason why. Claiming there's a reason while trying not to explain in. "it's simply not something I need to spend my time on" It wouldn't take much effort to explain it. You already spent time thinking about it, now you just have to write in down. I definitely am leaning towards Ranger+Alpaca as our scum team.

[Kappy]

Well? Ranger?

[Kappy]

I thought about it some more, and I really just cannot see ANY scum motivation for making a 100% scumread on me, trying to switch the wagon over to me from M&M, and agreeing to get lynched after I flip. I can only conclude that Ranger is egotistical town.

Unless it's bussing, or Ranger is secretly hoping you don't get lynched, and gaining towncred from you realizing it.

[Kappy]

it being that that doesn't seem like a scum move.

[Kappy]

Why do you refuse to explain? What do you gain from it?

[Kappy]

True. You're 100% scum, and M&M is only 95% scum.

[Kappy]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

You're in the freaking hospital! What, is he supposed to be like, "oh, tough luck!"?

[Kappy]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

You're in the freaking hospital! What, is he supposed to be like, "oh, tough luck!"?

Idk man morphine is kickingin so it just looks bad, probably nootinh

Okay. Now let's stop talking about this.

[Kappy]

You I guess that posts fits in with his general attitude.
Why so quick to defend him though kappy?

I just thought it was insane that you accused him of buddying for being sympathetic about you being in a car crash.
Also, why'd you ruin our quote pyramid?

[Kappy]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

You're in the freaking hospital! What, is he supposed to be like, "oh, tough luck!"?

Idk man morphine is kickingin so it just looks bad, probably nootinh

Okay. Now let's stop talking about this.

You I guess that posts fits in with his general attitude.
Why so quick to defend him though kappy?

I just thought it was insane that you accused him of buddying for being sympathetic about you being in a car crash.
Also, why'd you ruin our quote pyramid?

What do you mean

Clever. I have been doing way too many quote pyramids lately.

[Kappy]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

Are you trying to suggest that you actively want Ranger to vote you?

He doesn't necessarily want her to, he's just trying to get an excuse to scumread her. While I still don't like Ranger, thinking about this, this is the last straw.

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Kappy]

Noooo... Shotty we hit the max number of quotes.

[Kappy]

@Mod: Votecount Please?

[Kappy]

HUGS AND LOVE!
*Shotty hugs everyone except IV*

FTFY

[Kappy]

HUGS AND LOVE!
*Shotty hugs everyone except IV*

FTFY

Ever heard of the cow hug machine? It is better to comfort your meat before you slaughter it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hug_machine

Very interesting

[Kappy]

Oh, but I fucking dare.

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

OK. Now I understand.

I originally thought you were going to actually say who the target was most likely to be.

No. The "Who's someone IV has a history with?" was a rhetorical question, meant for the firefighter to answer in his head.

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

OK. Now I understand.

I originally thought you were going to actually say who the target was most likely to be.

No. The "Who's someone IV has a history with?" was a rhetorical question, meant for the firefighter to answer in his head.

I figured that out after your post.

By the way, another quote pyramid is building up.

That's the point! I love quote pyramids.

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

If anyone tells firefighter who to protect, their protection will be worthless as scum will just avoid priming them.

Also, perhaps IV just mentioned a name somewhere in post 3 of scumtalk and later (during the day) realised that they were a threat. As far as I know, primed and killed players can't post in the thread as stumps.

I'm not telling the firefighter who to protect. I'm giving them a clue so they can decide who to protect on their own.

OK. Now I understand.

I originally thought you were going to actually say who the target was most likely to be.

No. The "Who's someone IV has a history with?" was a rhetorical question, meant for the firefighter to answer in his head.

I figured that out after your post.

By the way, another quote pyramid is building up.

That's the point! I love quote pyramids.

The more we talk about it, the more scum benefit.

Seriously tho. Check out my profile.

[Kappy]

I recommend priming the person we talked about in post 3 of QT.

Trying to figure out who this is so firefighter knows who to protect. I don't think scum have daytalk, so it's someone they discussed pre game. which means they won't prime based on performance, just on meta and stuff like that. Who's someone IV has a history with?

LOL I promise you won't figure it out

I guess twilight is going on for a bit longer, so meantime I'll make snide comments and laugh at your cluelessness

We need to find your partner. Do you want to do this the easy way, the hard way, the medium way, the semi-medium easy hard way, or even the sorta-hard-with-a-touch-of-awkward difficult-challenging way.

P-edit: Ikr.
P-edit two: Agreed.

[Kappy]

laugh away. you are dead. This set up is super easy now that you are gone day one.

I have a strong feeling that my scumpartner will get noticed on day 2, don't overestimate arsonists

FTFY

[Kappy]

OMG this topic is going so fast!

[Kappy]

@Everyone if you'll indulge me, why was I Scum?

Because you got the Arsonist role from random role generation.

[Kappy]

When will twilight end?

[Kappy]

He started off distancing Ranger whilst backing out of the wagon when it looked dangerous. Now he is defending Ranger and criticising the wagon that he was on himself. IV and Ranger seem a likely scumteam.

Protip: You will be wrong 95% of the time when you think you have the scumteam down, I promise it's never worth it to vote based on a scumteam hypothetical unless it's super obvious

I'm not sure how I missed this. He may be intentionally saying that to try to make Town think IV and Ranger is more unlikely than it really is. Back then I may have been 20% confident of this (very confident, given that a random pair has under 3% probability). Now I consider Ranger to be the most likely suspect for scum with IV.

Ranger also agreed to be lynched if IV was town. Makes you wonder how she knew he was scum, since she supposedly wasn't actually 100% sure.

[Kappy]

He started off distancing Ranger whilst backing out of the wagon when it looked dangerous. Now he is defending Ranger and criticising the wagon that he was on himself. IV and Ranger seem a likely scumteam.

Protip: You will be wrong 95% of the time when you think you have the scumteam down, I promise it's never worth it to vote based on a scumteam hypothetical unless it's super obvious

I'm not sure how I missed this. He may be intentionally saying that to try to make Town think IV and Ranger is more unlikely than it really is. Back then I may have been 20% confident of this (very confident, given that a random pair has under 3% probability). Now I consider Ranger to be the most likely suspect for scum with IV.

Ranger also agreed to be lynched if IV was town. Makes you wonder how she knew he was scum, since she supposedly wasn't actually 100% sure.

Are we visiting your home country for the third time today?

what?

[Kappy]

He started off distancing Ranger whilst backing out of the wagon when it looked dangerous. Now he is defending Ranger and criticising the wagon that he was on himself. IV and Ranger seem a likely scumteam.

Protip: You will be wrong 95% of the time when you think you have the scumteam down, I promise it's never worth it to vote based on a scumteam hypothetical unless it's super obvious

I'm not sure how I missed this. He may be intentionally saying that to try to make Town think IV and Ranger is more unlikely than it really is. Back then I may have been 20% confident of this (very confident, given that a random pair has under 3% probability). Now I consider Ranger to be the most likely suspect for scum with IV.

Ranger also agreed to be lynched if IV was town. Makes you wonder how she knew he was scum, since she supposedly wasn't actually 100% sure.

Are we visiting your home country for the third time today?

what?

I noticed your Location.

oh yeah. Check out my occupation and interests on my profile page.

[Kappy]

Twilight is almost 8 hours long... This only makes sense in a world where days are 336 hours long.

[Kappy]

I lied.

I wasn't 100% sure you were scum at all.

I was actually less sure about you than I was on Music and Mail! Especially with your later posting.

Thinking about this, why didn't you say so before we stumped IV?

[Kappy]

Wait, so M&M is a hydra? I didn't know that! I'm assuming RC is RedCoyote, who's Mail?

[Kappy]

So RadiantCowbells and ...?

[Kappy]

This is a hydra of

RadiantCowbells

with

Postie

.

Oh. now I feel stupid.

[Kappy]

Me? Null? I'm insulted!

[Kappy]

Put your money where your mouth is then. Self-vote.

What, for the town cred?

Sorry, no.

I'll self-vote. It'll happen today, especially since I have literally no defenders; every single player is suspicious of me and that means I make a good lynch.
It does not need to happen instantly.

True. Even if we do end up lynching Ranger for pushing that IV lynch, we don't need to do it immediately. We have 2 weeks, peoples. We can drag it out to get as much information about the other scum as possible.

[Kappy]

I'm scumreading Ranger. That post about not being 100% sure seemed like it was a cover-up for when IV flipped town.

[Kappy]

Do we know who was doused last night or is this not Town of Salem?

Only two people know.

[Kappy]

I don't like the until I understand this logic. part it reduces the pressure on his own vote which is incredibly bad and unsafe play.

I use it to force them to explain, because they know my vote won't go away until they do.

[Kappy]

@Everyone if you where a dayvig and you where forced to shoot in {BTD6, Kappy, Sickofit} who would you shoot and why would you shoot them?

I am so sorry for all the random things I quoted >_<

BTD. Easy. I am town, and I can't get a read on Sick cuz he only posting twice. That leaves BTD open.

[Kappy]

VOTE: beeboy
just claimed scum

Quite possibly.

UNVOTE: Music & Mail

I need a rethink on my

rethink which was itself a rethink

.

Aren't all rethinks rethinks?

[Kappy]

All rethinks are thinks, though.

[Kappy]

Kappy, why aren't you voting Touka?

-- Mail

Why would I? I see nothing scummy. I didn't even scumread Alexcellent, her predecessor.

[Kappy]

I honestly don't know what I am supposed to do with these posts honestly I have incredibly mixed feelings about it :/

that quote was pretty scummy honestly

This is a really interesting argument honestly.

You can't honestly think that is a good idea >.>

Yeah that was all boring honestly.

I honestly don't honestly know how you're honestly deciding to honestly not vote Touka here honestly.

-- Mail

Honestly? I honestly don't understand why you honestly think "honestly" is honestly a scum move. Honestly, it's fun though. VOTE: Mail, not Music

[Kappy]

Honestly? I honestly don't understand why you honestly think "honestly" is honestly a scum move. Honestly, it's fun though. VOTE: Mail, not Music

It's scummy because he's doing it so often that he sounds like nervous scum that's trying to emphasise how suuuper genuine everything he's saying is.
Also, why are you voting

us?

-- Mail

I'm not voting

you all

, I'm just voting

you

. Anyway, it seemed like you were trying to make something that is not scummy seem scummy, something only scum would do.
Sorry, Music
VOTE: M&M

[Kappy]

I understand how they work. I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

[Kappy]

I don't not sign my posts.

You could just say "I sign my posts" instead adding that ultracomplexicatinglyhyperconfuzzling double negative.

[Kappy]

Come on out, scum!

[Kappy]

Me? Really, Shotty? Me?
UNVOTE: In all seriousness, bet the scum are amount the lurkers. M&M was at L-1, so they probably just were waiting for a hammerer. If the game were active, I would be fine with an M&M lynch, but with a game this slow, I doubt it. Scum are just biding their time, knowing someone will eventually hammer.
VOTE: Ranger Let's see some action from you!

[Kappy]

Me? Really, Shotty? Me?
UNVOTE: In all seriousness, bet the scum are amount the lurkers. M&M was at L-1, so they probably just were waiting for a hammerer. If the game were active, I would be fine with an M&M lynch, but with a game this slow, I doubt it. Scum are just biding their time, knowing someone will eventually hammer.
VOTE: Ranger Let's see some action from you!

This heavily implies that you think that I'm town. walk me through this?

I told you. Scum is likely lurking, If there weren't so many lurkers, I might think that you were scum, but the sheer number of lurkers implies that scum are hiding. If you were scum, there would likely be at least a scum partner defending you. Anyway, are you complaing about being townread? It benefits any non-Jester alignment to be townread.

[Kappy]

Good to see another player here! We actually might get this game moving!

[Kappy]

@Mod: I will be V/LA 6/20 to 6/24

noted

[Kappy]

oh ya should really unvote myself now
VOTE: kappy

What did I ever do to you?

[Kappy]

AlpacaAlpaca, , Sickofit1138

Notice the two commas? Apparently there is another player in the game whose username is empty.

[Kappy]

VOTE:

[Kappy]

VOTE: Ranger
She may have been V/LA, but she posted nothing useful when I voted before to bring her out.

[Kappy]

touka replacing out sounds like boredom. Scum wouldn't replace out if town is so bored that they just autolose. This actually might make it likelier that Touka's slot is town. Alexcellent also lurked a lot, despite still playing in other games on this site.

Yeah, I agree.
Btw, I'm back!

[Kappy]

Can you talk about your BTD6 town read?

Already did. I don't feel he's scum (gut), and his end of D1 antics suggest town. It is not, however, something I'd bet the game on.

That's no excuse to hide the rest of his play.

[Kappy]

"If you are really a Tree, Town hasn't lost much. You can still be an active scumhunter after death."

Thinking about it, this really bothers me. If we lynch a Tree, we're not lynching an Arsonist. Just because they can still talk doesn't justifying lynching trees. Each tree we lunch brings us one step closer to a scum win. I don't know how I missed this Day 1.
VOTE: BTD6

[Kappy]

@Mod: V/LA from 6/27 to 7/5. I may still be on site during that time.