Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I am the new sushi and using my spiritual communication I have heard sushi say that BTD6_maker is confirmed scum since he is so smart.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Honestly if a player quick hammered in RVS I would not want them around D2 and would try and lead a wagon on them for this reason. Even if the chances are much higher that they are town, which I agree with you they are, I think anyone willing to lynch someone in RVS is just playing anti-town since the chances of them hitting scum are pretty low. I wouldn't want them around later in case they pulled another stupid move that could be super anti-town, no matter what alignment the person they lynched was.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

He also might just be trying to get the game moving since we are only at 4 pages.

To respond to your Kap post IV I see it as a complete null. I honestly think that it is more likely for a scum to quickhammer his buddy in RVS than it is for a townie to take the risk on hitting scum. If somebody quickhammered in RVS no matter what the other person flipped I would consider them scummy and at the very least anti-town, I just generally wouldn't' want them to stay super long in a game since they are either ridiculously impulsive, scum, or just make generally bad moves. That said I don't scum read him for it since I think that post could have come from either scum or town.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ranger I would also love to know how I am being town read for post 28 since that was just an RVS joke and held no real meaning for me. We haven't ever played together either and I have yet to even finish a game on this site so meta clearly isn't a factor.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ranger would you care to elaborate on why you think I'm town for my RVS vote in post 28. Because I am super curious

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So Ranger do you think that Ploben is scum based on his IC claim or is it something else?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wow my bad, being in games with duplicate people has been throwing me off

[AlpacaAlpaca]

This is one long twilight

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Music is definitely scummier than Mail. Music/RC is extremely uncooperative, characteristic of his scum game in Newbie 1700. He refuses to help Town or even interact with those scumreading him, just as in Newbie 1700.

On the contrary they seem to be heavily interacting with Ranger, but like only Ranger. They townread IV, but aside from scum reading Ranger and their one in the moment vote on you they haven't done much else.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

You're just too magic, I am in exams which finish friday so until than I am posting sparingly but this is what I have so far

At this point I am super wary of Ranger. I have never played with her but I have heard that her reads are ususally good so I don't know whether she is scum trying to drive a mislynch or genuienly town who made a mistake. Than there is post 217 which could just be her covering for herself for when IV flipped town.

From what I've seen most of the case on you is meta, which I am not a super fan of since my playstyle changes depending on how I'm feeling at the time. I never got the impression that you were scum however I think that you have spent a ton of time focusing on Ranger and defending yourself, though Ranger was pretty obstinate about it so that might just be it.

I am town leaning Alex and am leaning null on everyone else so far.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

If you're busy with exams then fair enough.
Can you go into any detail on your Alexcellent townread?

-- Mail

He has been asking questions and trying to scumhunt and hasn't done anything that I would see as scummy. He throws down his reads and clears up any issues he has with questions. Although he was on the IV wagon he put in his reasons out in post 124 and post 146 and I think that they were valid, With this I am willing give him my only town lean I am still null on the other people

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I am pretty sure we don't know

[AlpacaAlpaca]

VOTE: Ranger

Right now a Ranger lynch looks more viable than a M&M lynch. I don't scumread Ranger as strongly but I do think that a Ranger lynch is beneficial to Town. If Ranger is Town, she can still give all her reads tomorrow and help Town. If she is scum, then perfect.

So I get that a Ranger lynch could be beneficial to town but don't we also want to be prioritizing people who we think are more likely scum than those that are slightly less scum read. Since we should consider each end of day like we lost a townie since we have no confirmation over who was primed in the night and we will only know once scum has set things on fire, even though it seems like we have leeway with possible town lynches we may also want to stick to people who are more scummy.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

VOTE: Ranger

Right now a Ranger lynch looks more viable than a M&M lynch. I don't scumread Ranger as strongly but I do think that a Ranger lynch is beneficial to Town. If Ranger is Town, she can still give all her reads tomorrow and help Town. If she is scum, then perfect.

BTD and M&M seem scummy to me
I town read Touka
null-town on Ranger, Kappy
null on Shotty and Sicko

[AlpacaAlpaca]

ignore that quote, I have yet to figure out how quote saving works on this site

[AlpacaAlpaca]

At least I post more than does.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Don't worry come tommorow I will have free time all day every day since I'm don't exams

[AlpacaAlpaca]

AlpacaAlpaca, , Sickofit1138

Notice the two commas? Apparently there is another player in the game whose username is empty.

Just a joke thats all.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

You die if you get lynched.

In a normal game, yes.
But this mechanic is basically a nerfed version of the shortnight/longnight mechanic.
In that I don't actually die.
I can still contribute.

And from my wagon, scumhunt.

Yes but from what he is saying he just doesn't want to waste a lynch on a town since that means that scum basically get one extra turn to prime something for free, so if you know you are town you shouldn't want to mislynch yourself.
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Also M&M do you always make posts like these since they, in my opinion detract from your overall towniness.

Spoiler:

Autolynching Ranger tomorrow for this.

fuck yourselves.

If we get lynched here I'm not posting anything besides votes on Ranger for the duration of the game.

Stop being bad and vote Touka.

-- Mail

This town is so bad that at this point my main priority is lynching the people who are pissing me off so they don't win if they're scum rather than lynching scum.

VOTE: Drmyshottyszik

This is both.

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Trying to lynch Alpaca for not posting when literally no one is providing content is nice.

Alpaca literally has not voted since his one RVS vote. That's pretty terrible. I'm also not sure why his RVS vote was necessarily town; 28 reads pretty awkwardly to me.

PS Anyone want to guess why I really don't like Ranger's 134?

In general I don't actually vote until I am sure of somebody, I am not super big on pressure votes, though apparently I have to learn since voting for someone you aren't sure of is considered towny.
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BTD and M&M seem scummy to me
I town read Touka
null-town on Ranger, Kappy
null on Shotty and Sicko

Why on all of these? In particular your town read of Touka and wolf read of M&M. Also not sure why you're null-town on Ranger, that'd be helpful too.

I shall go through in order
BTD (scum) - I don't like post 57 where he votes his highest town read, I mean how about voting your top scum read? His whole stance on lynching Ranger and how it will be beneficial either way annoys me, If he was pusshing Ranger as scum I wouldn't have a problem but than he says

...a lynch on town Ranger is not too bad...

M&M (scum) - As mentioned above I really don't like some of their posts where they just seem fed up with the game and just say Ranger or nothing. Basically for the beginning of the game they only try and attack Ranger while labelling IV as obvtown and their reasons for that in post 160 I didn't see as giving IV an obvtown status. Later he mentions that he scum reads BTD but doesn't really pursue it and is right back on Ranger and than later mentions he town reads BTD after a re ISO. Than Touka seemingly distracts him from Ranger which is surprising but I don't like that he is scum reading Touka for being Beeboy I mean she is playing on an alt presumably so she can play differently and not get insta scum read for it. Than there is a terrible vote on Shotty and an understandable vote on myself. Overall I am not seeing a town mindset here more of just death tunnelling some of the people who attack him.

Touka (town) - I town read the person who Touka replaced in post 281 and I liked Touka's intro analysis of everything since she actually took the time to read the whole game. I agree mostly with her most recent reads except that I am still on the fence about Smith.

Ranger (nulltown) - I don't like that she held back on explanations earlier but she did say that if it came to a point where she had to explain to save one of her town reads she would be more than willing, but at that point in the game and considering there isn't much posting going on it would have been helpful. Her tunneling of M&M was basically entirely for meta reasons at the beggeing but under pressure M&M seemed much more scummy than they were before. I was honestly surprised that IV flipped town however I can't say for sure say whether its becaue Ranger is scum trying to push mislynched or is she was just wrong and I have a gut feeling it was the latter so until former notice I am null reading with a little side of town here.

Kappy (nulltown) - Not too sure what to think of Kappy since a lot of his posts are not related to anything though in general he seems to be hunting for information to use to identify scum.

Shotty (null-) - He doesn't explain a lot and he doesn't seem to anything that benefits town, a town of fluff. He also jumps around a lot which kind of confuses me like in post 351, and 374 he says he is sucm reading Touka than in post 385 he is all of a sudden town reading Touka. I am leaning more scum in this slot but still nullish for now.

Sicko/Smith (null+) - The 2 slots before Smith were useless so I had him labelled as null and now I am going to need a little more time to read you fully however, right now I agree with a quality amount of what you have written and you asking good questions. I am leaning a town read on you but that is pending further notice.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

You die if you get lynched.

In a normal game, yes.
But this mechanic is basically a nerfed version of the shortnight/longnight mechanic.
In that I don't actually die.
I can still contribute.

And from my wagon, scumhunt.

If you're town, eating a lynch just because you're not feeling confident in your reads or so the town can "move on" or whatever is TERRIBLE play.

Why?

Again.

In a normal game, sure, that goes without saying.

But in this game. When you live on after being lynched. Why is it terrible play to get lynched? Just because it's not a lynch on scum? Sure, that makes it not the ideal play. Ideal play is always lynching scum. But the mechanic exists for good reason. Getting lynched is a viable play. Not optimal, but viable.

that's basically OMGUS logic, dressed up a bit.

A scum player would say this, yes.
But a town player should be able to recognize that there's a difference between calling a player a scum for voting them (omgus) and calling a player scum for the way they voted. I did the latter. You're not scum because you're voting me. It could be any player you voted and I'd say the same thing. You're scum because you're not playing to anything even remotely resembling your towngame.

Sure. And right now the most likely answer is that you're mafia pulling a ploy.

No, I mean the mhsmith that is town I know will post all angles, IN THREAD, on all players. All of them. And with a very low level of confidence, weakly select the ones he thinks are more likely to be true.

This blind push of near-absolute certainty from you? Absolutely not characteristic of your towngame.

wrt IV, the ESSENTIAL problem is that you yourself stated that you had a stronger read on M&M. So why not try and build the wagon there?

You keep on pushing this point, yet this continues to ignore what I already said. innocentvillager was a stronger scumread originally. Ergo, I pushed innocentvillager. When this stopped being true, I knew I was second-guessing myself, and through a combination of pride and stubbornness, refused to back down off of that paranoia.

"I hate scumreading a player and then backing down from it even more"

I misspoke; that sentence is incomplete. It was meant to say that I hate scumreading a player

correctly

and then backing down from it. This is obvious enough. When you're right about a read, but then through paranoia, doubt it enough to reverse it, how do YOU feel? Universally, the answer is "very bad". That's what I was referring to. As much as I hate being wrong, being

right

and then reversing my read to be wrong is much, much worse.

And now that you're in a position where you're in actual danger of that "offer" getting cashed anyway, you're pushing elsewhere.

I don't see myself escaping the lynch. I do, however, intend to push you.

And if Music and Mail calls me terrible to be ignored after I flip, they're confirmed scum for it, especially since it's not them that I'm pushing. It's you.

I don't care if I live or die. I expect to die. I'd definitely die if a townread was in any danger of being lynched. But given the choice between contributing to my own lynch, or making a statement about my strong scumread...I'm going to go for the latter.

Want to guess at what I hated about 134?

Nope! I'm looking forward to whatever reason you pose for hating it, and if you intend to lynch me, you WILL post it before I get lynched, because you're going to be held accountable for it and if you don't I swear to god I'll spam the thread until you are lynched.

PS Alpaca's your #2 team read on gut alone?

Tied for number one (tiers are equal), but otherwise, correct.

Your read on Ranger feels opportunistic and your push on Alpacas reads as meh.
Also your slots past players probably all replaced out for a reason and the original owner of your slot made some pretty bad votes.
You are also defending M&M for what appears to be no reason.

This is all true.

You must be insanely confident in a smith/M&M mafia team then, since you're also in his top three.

I have no right to use the term insanely confident to describe my reads given D1.

Still, for lack of a better term: insanely confident on you, yes. Confident on M&M, no. They're a scumread, but it's mostly because "I don't have any better ideas and I'm reviewing my past read and thinking it might hold merit". Still, that Touka sees the two players on the bottom of my reads as scum, when I see them as scum, is a promising sign especially knowing it's beeboy behind the wheel.

I don't think "easy target" really describes ranger particularly well.

To the contrary.

I have almost as many mislynches in my game history as I do nightkills.

And here's ranger taking that crappy read and considering a sheep of it.

No, that was because Touka was revealed to be beeboy.
I hold beeboy to basically the same standard I hold RadiantCowbells: the absolute top tier of scumhunters, the players I easily synch with when we share alignments, the players who I see as competent, and while never perfect, strong players with strong pushes.

And the beeboy of this game, as Touka, was playing in a really strange manner. Touka's play, as a person, looked town. Touka's play, knowing it was beeboy, looked strange.

Autolynching Ranger tomorrow for this.

fuck yourselves.

If we get lynched here I'm not posting anything besides votes on Ranger for the duration of the game.

Stop being bad and vote Touka.

-- Mail

This town is so bad that at this point my main priority is lynching the people who are pissing me off so they don't win if they're scum rather than lynching scum.

VOTE: Drmyshottyszik

This is both.

Oy.

VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

This slot needs to be forced to produce content.

Oy this slot needs to be forced to eat rope

Trying to lynch Alpaca for not posting when literally no one is providing content is nice.

Alpaca literally has not voted since his one RVS vote. That's pretty terrible. I'm also not sure why his RVS vote was necessarily town; 28 reads pretty awkwardly to me.

PS Anyone want to guess why I really don't like Ranger's 134?

BTD and M&M seem scummy to me
I town read Touka
null-town on Ranger, Kappy
null on Shotty and Sicko

Why on all of these? In particular your town read of Touka and wolf read of M&M. Also not sure why you're null-town on Ranger, that'd be helpful too.

I primarily want a Music and Mail lynch but I am fine with lynching Ranger. With this setup a lynch on scum Ranger is no doubt good but a lynch on town Ranger is not too bad. Ranger will most probably survive the rest of the game (unless she was primed N1) and can input her reads.

Besides, she promised.

I was actually V/LA earlier and had no time Saturday or sunday due to family matters but no way I can prove it. So basically the only way I wouldn't have seen scummy posting something was if I waited until I was prodded than joined in? Cause how I read that is once I am voted and asked to post more, posting more makes me scummy.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

and just ignore all of those quotes since I apparently still don't know how this quote system works

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Says his reads are too valuable too ignore
Uses confbias

[AlpacaAlpaca]

If won't explain for touka/beeboy can you explain for me

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So basically the only way I wouldn't have seen scummy posting something was if I waited until I was prodded than joined in? Cause how I read that is once I am voted and asked to post more, posting more makes me scummy.

totally sheeping touka and didn't say it first

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So basically the only way I wouldn't have seen scummy posting something was if I waited until I was prodded than joined in? Cause how I read that is once I am voted and asked to post more, posting more makes me scummy.

totally sheeping touka and didn't say it first

Says his reads are too valuable too ignore
Uses confbias

Stop sheeping touka. Why do YOU think it's confirmation bias?

God you are coaching here.
VOTE: alpaca
isn't looking good lately, and if he is scum, I think we just found his partner.

How is asking someone for an explanation coaching? So if I'm just non descript about everything nobody can ask me to explain since that would be scummy?
Thats also aside from the fact that I had explained it earlier

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I guess you aren't good at reading and understanding English Alpaca. Let me help you. The first sentence is straight up coaching, I mean come on smith is directly telling you to stop doing something because it makes you scummy. Town had no reason to tell you to stop being scummy. I want scum to act scummy, good lord. If scum stopped acting scummy how would we find scum like you? Anyway let's move on to the second sentence. That fact that YOU is YOU really feels like smith saying "answer this now", which makes it feel like he is trying to get you to stop acting scummy and quick get your town mask on.

'Directly telling me to stop' he literally asked me to explain myself and I proceeded to show where I had explained myself, not once did he directly tell me anything excpet for telling me to stop sheeping Touka and explain myself

[AlpacaAlpaca]

literally said it first so it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I mentioned how his read on me was going to be a scum read whether I posted or didnt before touka did. Than touka did it and I mentioned it again but seemingly since nobody reads my posts and judges me regardless people assumed I was sheeping touka. So his 'advice' didn't matter since it was based on wrong info

[AlpacaAlpaca]

What in particular about touka-mm convinced you it couldn't reasonably be w/w theater?

The idea of Touka bussing Music and Mail is absolutely laughable knowing Touka is beeboy.

Player history factors a lot into the reads.

This is bullshit. You come of as knowing way to much here
VOTE: ranger

Are you saying that using meta makes you omnipotent scum? because thats what I got from that post

[AlpacaAlpaca]

What in particular about touka-mm convinced you it couldn't reasonably be w/w theater?

The idea of Touka bussing Music and Mail is absolutely laughable knowing Touka is beeboy.

Player history factors a lot into the reads.

This is bullshit. You come of as knowing way to much here
VOTE: ranger

@Smith in response to your response on my wall which was huge so I won't re quote it

I think that M&Ms posts have been detracting from his overall towniness since insulting peple isn't getting people anywhere and like when he said "Autolynching Ranger tommorow for this" do you think she is scum? Or maybe you just don't like her, who knows.

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

I have a dream that someday BTD will answer my question

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

I have a dream that someday BTD will answer my question

On the topic of explaining who scum is...

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

I have a dream that someday BTD will answer my question

On the topic of explaining who scum is...

Yeah it sure would be nice if btd ever got around to explaining themselves and their reads...

There is literally 0% chance you haven't seen this, and I would love an answer

[AlpacaAlpaca]

This is one long twilight

This should get pressure.

That was lowkey a prodge on my part since I wanted to get something in before night started since I hadn't posted in like 1d and 18h or something like that

and also

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

I have a dream that someday BTD will answer my question

On the topic of explaining who scum is...

Yeah it sure would be nice if btd ever got around to explaining themselves and their reads...

There is literally 0% chance you haven't seen this, and I would love an answer

You need to answer this if you aren't feeling like getting lynched, and I am almost at the max quote wall so sooner rather than later would be great

[AlpacaAlpaca]

On a different note...

@alpaca: any thoughts on the game state other than btd's continued inability to actually explain why he says he thinks I'm an arsonist? Other than a quick defense note, you haven't talked about anything else for the past week.

I mean I am having a great time remembering another game I was in and the guy who refused to answer any questions directed to him ended up being scum and also winning since he managed to shake off the people chasing him with fluff posts. But on the other side of things I am liking Shotty as town more except for his thing on coaching. I also like Mafioso in a town way and not in a mafioso way and I am still not seeing the pure scumplay from Alex.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I don't particularly like the fact that smith has continually been telling BTD to get better and post more reasoning if he's town, it almost looks like coaching or smith trying to get towncred for BTD's almost inevitable mis/lynch.

How would he get towncred if it was a mislynch?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I don't particularly like the fact that smith has continually been telling BTD to get better and post more reasoning if he's town, it almost looks like coaching or smith trying to get towncred for BTD's almost inevitable mis/lynch.

But wouldn't being the guy who pushed a mislynch be bad? Even if it were for good reasons I don't see it as making you more towny

Well I guess that BTD explained things but because of the massive amount of time it took him to finally post it I see it as more of he needed the time to come up with plausible reasoning and that was the best he could do and so I will keep watching him. But I would think this no mater what reasoning he posted. Titus just had a lot of info but I wasn't feeling much of anything else coming from him. Mafioso seems to be town reading titus for not paying attention which seems weird to me. I haven't been thinking about Ranger recently. I am leaning town on IV after his recent posts. I am kind of not liking Kappy looking at some of his posts since most don't seem to be on trivial details, jokes or fluff

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Alpaca, explain your leaning townread on me? You tried to refute some of my posts, yet you call me town, why?

Sorry just a joke, I like to make some bad jokes every now and than and see how many people read it and get it but sometimes they get taken seriously.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I have only completed three games on this site but I wouldn't even look through one to try and prove that was a joke. You are free to think of it as whatever you want but explain to me how you think that I would not know that IV had been lynched D1. Like I would have to have completely forgotten about this game and than when I came back just read the last 2 pages and made a post. the biggest thing that has happened this game so far was probably that lynch. And if I really didn't remember he had been lynched what would that mean? Probably that I am town since scum would be actually interested in who is dead and who isn't and let me tell you I am not smart enough to have slipped that into my post as a fake town slip and if you don't believe that than you can check out my completed scum game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66416 post 914 was an exceptional show of intelligence on my part

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wow I was going to come here and say that I am going to be V/LA for this weekend but than noticed that I haven't posted in 6 days and 17 hours and actually havent been prodded yet. I am leaving now for this weekend but when I get back on monday I will remind myself to try and start conversation and hopefully the replacement will be here by than.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So Ranger now would be a good time to explain your sketchy town read on me from the beggining because I am still wondering on it and it might help a little

[AlpacaAlpaca]

he is town because he doesn't read the whole thread?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I still think that BTD is scum apparently his meta is mislynch bait but he still has my strongest feeling with the way he was posting. I am coming around on scum ranger but I also don't feel confident being able to pick out a scum ranger vs a town ranger so I am going to leave that as is until later. On one hand I can see Smith as scum but his tunnel on Ranger has been pretty consistent the whole game and if was scum and Ranger turned out town not only would that look bad for him but also Ranger would still be around to talk us into voting Smith potentially, I would be pretty impressed if he was scum. I see Goofy as pretty sketchy and I am leaning scum on him as well.

Mhsmith or Ranger should eat rope today.

??? Weren't you just recently saying IV's lynch list (which had me in it ) sucked? Why the change of heart?

He probably said that because the list had him in it

In post 243, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I didn't need anything else. That post alone is why I death tunneled you. You gave your self away man.

Same with this one. And it's about IV's reply to his terrible post 71 where I fully agreed with IV's reply to him. His reason was "you're asking others for reads instead of trying to solve" which was 1) demonstrably false and 2) not anything in any game where on page 3 you'd genuinely believe someone "gave themselves away." it's just a fake and bad reason to justify a tunnel on someone

The strenth of Shotty's reasons is completely irrelevant. It is painfully clear that Shotty believed that he had caught scum.

Disagree. And I think that this post was the only post that looked potentially more fake

Alpaca's awakward "this is a long twilight" pinged me out to. Like he was fearful of saying anything about the situation

that was actually my sketchy version of a prodge because i hadn't posted in more than 2 days and we were just about to hit night and I had nothing else to say and I didn't think it would be seen as scummy until after I did it but even than you would have to be pretty newb scum to say something like that, which I am pretty sure I am not.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wait, scum cannot be off the wagons entirely. Doh! So we're probably looking at every wagon being unaligned pairs.

1) why can't alpaca be the scum off wagon FYPOV? Or did you just mean that both wolves couldn't be off wagon?

2) while both wolves together seems less likely, is there a particular reason to discount the possibility here?

3) in your opinion, which wagon of
mhsmith0 - (2) Ranger, BTD6_maker
BTD6_maker - (2) PantherPunt, Town Mafioso
Ranger - (2) mhsmith0, DrippingGoofball
Is likeliest to have no wolves on it and why?

Well thats obvously because I'm town

[AlpacaAlpaca]

See this is why I have issues with you, you say people are town for pretty bad reasons as far as I can tell unless you want to elaborate on why you think im town from that

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I say you're town because you said you're town and I agreed LOL

Did you consider I was scum saying I was town? Not to get rid of your town read on me but I am just curious

@alpaca: you'd posted a couple times while btd was at l-1. If they were your top read, why didn't you state intent to demand a claim from them then?

Because I need to learn to vote more because there is always a little part of me that says what if they are town and so I usually don't vote but I am working on it and on that note I will start here
VOTE: BTD
Also the deadline is actually approaching this time, we have 2 days left

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Nulltown: Kappy, InnocentVillager
Null: Alexcellent, Smv, KickAssAndGiggle, Shotty, Alpaca
Nullscum: Music And Mail

These are incredibly weak.

VOTE: InnocentVillager

All my reads are practically null. You are a miniscule townread but I believe pressure is the key to escaping RVS. The read is too weak to matter much.

Ok so we start off with the wonder that was this post which I know, has been explained but I mean come on.

I primarily want a Music and Mail lynch but I am fine with lynching Ranger. With this setup a lynch on scum Ranger is no doubt good but a lynch on town Ranger is not too bad. Ranger will most probably survive the rest of the game (unless she was primed N1) and can input her reads.

Besides, she promised.

Than we have this where he says he is scumreading M&M but is actually down with a lynch on Ranger whether or not she is scum but its ok because "she promised" or maybe it was because that was a really easy wagon to hop on then with a really easy no thinking reason to top it off with.

Ranger was actually my weakest scum read out of {Ranger, Touka, Mhsmith, M&M}. The scumread was mainly due to her self-voting and "promise" to get lynched. Now I don't see that much reason to scumread her so I should vote another scumread.

VOTE: Mhsmith

Not as strong as M&M, but a lone vote on M&M won't accomplish anything at this stage.

But than he clears it up with this her self vote was actually scummy and so was her promise to get lynched even though he said nothing of the sort when he was talking about lynching Ranger in fact citing her promise as a reason to vote her. Also voting Smith instead of trying to push his highwer scum read M&M

Than we had, not even going to lie, my favourite part of this game so far which was see how many quotes I can re quote before BTD answers the question of why he voted Smith instead of M&M, are you ready for it

This is one long twilight

This should get pressure.

That was lowkey a prodge on my part since I wanted to get something in before night started since I hadn't posted in like 1d and 18h or something like that

and also

@BTD why do you think that Smith is scum?

I have a dream that someday BTD will answer my question

On the topic of explaining who scum is...

Yeah it sure would be nice if btd ever got around to explaining themselves and their reads...

There is literally 0% chance you haven't seen this, and I would love an answer

You need to answer this if you aren't feeling like getting lynched, and I am almost at the max quote wall so sooner rather than later would be great

^^^^^^^ 7 times this question was asked and it wasn't even like he wasn't here he was just straight dodging the question probably fumbling to make up a reason and hope nobody voted him for it

Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

Why do you actually scumread me?

Especially as no one on my wagon actually has good reasons for it, as I have explained.

A healthy bit of irony for your morning

His recent posts have been 'better' but not enough at all to warrant me not thinking he is scum

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Fun facts:

- Alpaca was posting on this site sporadically today, chose not to check into this thread AT ALL today
- Panther was on this thread earlier today, and vanished when deadline hit
- Ranger/Xkfyu weren't on site anywhere today (though were Friday).

This is like the super example of what happens when towns stop giving a crap and ignore the thread around deadline. I'd love it if it was exactly a Panther/Alpaca team, because then at least I could say "good job wolves". Doubt that's the pair exactly though.

So starting with this I didn't see any posts I here because I didn't refresh near the end of the day because I was playing starbound. However if I was here I suppose I might have been convinced ro vote ranger my only issue is I don't think that I would be able to tell apart a ranger scum game or just a bad town game.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

How so? Admittedly, your reasons are bad, but how is this more than "I'm accusing you but I admit my reasons suck"? Walk me through how it "SCREAMS caught for the wrong reasons"?

You don't read this as an attempt to get information out of you?

Getting information = scumhunting.

Fixed that for you

[AlpacaAlpaca]

flailing, looking for something to attack. Scumhunting focuses more on the why than the minuatie. You're focus more on discrediting that you're caught than my reads as a whole.

How is my emphasis on finding stuff to attack as opposed to trying to understand where you're coming from?

Because you're not using this to sort my alignment and because you've never seen The Heat. Great movie. :-p

Curious, why is this relevant

[AlpacaAlpaca]

hot take: smith and titus aren't w/w

What does this mean?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

flailing, looking for something to attack. Scumhunting focuses more on the why than the minuatie. You're focus more on discrediting that you're caught than my reads as a whole.

How is my emphasis on finding stuff to attack as opposed to trying to understand where you're coming from?

Because you're not using this to sort my alignment and because you've never seen The Heat. Great movie. :-p

Curious, why is this relevant

? For me or Titus?

I was wondering about titus brining up the heat

[AlpacaAlpaca]

why did you want to not vote ranger from the time you unvoted to the time you revoted?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So you just unvoted to think more?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

First I have to agree with Smith on it being better for him to get a no lynch than a mislynch on ranger.
Second I am going to go back and review the Scumhunting you did in between the unvote and vote and see how I'm feeling than on your alignment

[AlpacaAlpaca]

First I have to agree with Smith on it being better for him to get a no lynch than a mislynch on ranger.
Second I am going to go back and review the Scumhunting you did in between the unvote and vote and see how I'm feeling than on your alignment

when you doin that

I never said it here but I am v/la until august 5th since I'm on vacation so stuff will be slow until than since idk when I will have Internet. But it's your lucky day since I got altitude sickness I have some time now to work on it

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I'll explain later.

I will look forward to it

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ok so the whole unvote ranger thing from smith seems weird because throughout the time he spent scumhunting other people the closest thing he cane to was BTD but than in the end basically said he is pretty consistent mislynch bait and probs hasn't been primed yet so back to ranger. He also almost consistently through his unvoted phase Labelle ranger as his top wagon still so the info was there. After reading it I am back to wanting to see a BTD lynch because I was reminded of how scummy he is

VOTE: BTD

[AlpacaAlpaca]

In every game I've been in I've held back my votes till I was sure and have been scum read for it like I'm pretty sure every game. So I am trying to fix that and it is a little easier now because I am 90% BTD is scum already. So I am happy with my vote

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ok so why 90%? That's a pretty strong read. Any thoughts on who you are confident is NOT mafia? And What's your current read on ranger and me?

Everything from D1 still applies and now that I go back and look at it it looks worse I am very bad and lazy about pushing my reads but I regret not pushing him more D1. I am actually having a big issue this game finding solid town reads because people who I think are town will all of a sudden do something I think is scummy snd than I get confused. On Ranger as I have said before I don't feel super comfortable voting her because I doubt I could pick out her scum game from a bad town game so I think she is iffy right now but on the other hand I don't know quite what to make of it. I talked about you in 1257 but where I'm at with that more detailed is basically I think that you have a highish chance of being power scum but I think that BTD is much more likely to be scum so I am keeping my vote there. When I get home and back to my computer I will case BTD again so all of you can be enlightened


Also curious why am I being scumread because so far nobody has mentioned a reason they just voted me which looks scummy af. At least xkfyu said he would explain DGB just straight sheeped

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ok there has been a lot of posts Which I will catch up on. Sorry I haven't been here my altitude sickness has been really screwing with my head and I have been only able to cocentrate on games with little to no content which is the state of some games I'm in now. When I get back to my hotel later tonight I will read and post

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ok first things first DGB do you actually have any reads of your own or are you just all about that sheeping

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I think it's fairly obvious what DGB is getting at. The only question is if she's lying about it.

doesn't make much sense to me

Yup
DGB really needs to start reading and answering and making reads for themself *cough *cough
I am really tempted to vote you for really bad play so far but I still like BTD more for scum lucky you

[AlpacaAlpaca]

But they're so complicated and tedious questions LOL

[AlpacaAlpaca]

You would rather not point out why you think scum is scum?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

What if I ask you thank will you answer

[AlpacaAlpaca]

*than

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wow I did not see that coming and I had no idea how Smith did of that was what he meant

[AlpacaAlpaca]

I do beleive that a townie would have kept it to themself but I am curious what Smith will say about that post before I vote him

[AlpacaAlpaca]

But they're so complicated and tedious questions LOL

@Smith - anuthing to say about this
Here's the simple version.

You townread smith.
You learned what the setup is and then that negated your townread on smith.
Why?

I think it's fairly obvious what DGB is getting at. The only question is if she's lying about it.

I want to lynch him for the above.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

My text didn't appear that's weird anyway.

@Smith - what do you have to say about the above

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Well me and panther didn't notice and you knew that since we said it so maybe outing it could have not happened cause there is a chance that scum missed it

[AlpacaAlpaca]

VOTE: Smith
This is L-1

[AlpacaAlpaca]

so can someone refrsh me as to why people want to lynch titus because I always thought he was town like

[AlpacaAlpaca]

@alpaca: your lynch pool. Go.

I'm down for you BTD and I could possibly be swayed on ranger

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Ok at this point we just need a lynch. I am pretty sure titus is town and I am also pretty sure BTD is scum but at least this will put an end to the Ranger debate
VOTE: Range

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Well at least I tunnelled scum but not hard enough cause nobody lynched him rip though I was convinced panther was town