Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[Touka]

I will Music and Mail

[Touka]

Do we know who was doused last night or is this not Town of Salem?

[Touka]

Yeah, so if this game continues with this much content scum are going to autowin.

Someone unvote Shotty and let's get some discussion going, hmm?

@Everyone

if you had to pick one person as scum from the last two pages who would it be?

This is how I feel reading up to this point almost nothing has happened :/

If anyone wants some incentive to hammer myshotty, if he flips town we'll still give you a chance to flail a bit D2 before we lynch you

If he flips scum, we'll autoconfirm you as town and if you're maf that's great incentive to bus

This makes no sense! If he flips scum, you're conftown? No, why would town know he was scum? It would be a coin flip, and no townie wants to take that chance. If he flips scum, the hammerer would be scum.
VOTE: innocentvillager until I understand this logic.

I don't like the

until I understand this logic.

part it reduces the pressure on his own vote which is incredibly bad and unsafe play.

Now that you've said that, if scum do actually bus, they are taking a huge disadvantage now but are much less likely to face a lynch in the future because everyone thinks scum would never hammer. Hammering scum may still give towncred but you should always consider a lynch on them if necessary in the future.

Explaining what someone already said. Information over scum hunting.

Nulltown: Kappy, InnocentVillager
Null: Alexcellent, Smv, KickAssAndGiggle, Shotty, Alpaca
Nullscum: Music And Mail

These are incredibly weak.

VOTE: InnocentVillager

All my reads are practically null. You are a miniscule townread but I believe pressure is the key to escaping RVS. The read is too weak to matter much.

Why are so many scum aligned players trying to apply pressure without actually applying any pressure?

Looking for an smv replacement per his request.

Guess who? >:D

This post apparently made a bunch of people really happy.

All of 71 feels pretty forced but I don't have a good grasp of shotty's town meta so idk if he's usually the kind of person to see scummy things in stuff that isn't really alignment indicative.

Also fuck yeah Ranger!

-- Mail

Why is no one applying any real pressure with there accusations

[Touka]

All of 71 feels pretty forced but I don't have a good grasp of shotty's town meta so idk if he's usually the kind of person to see scummy things in stuff that isn't really alignment indicative.

Also fuck yeah Ranger!

-- Mail

Of course it is forced! Look at how slow this game is

Self awareness is pretty townie.

why are you only concerned with people that are active? Are you scum just trying to look busy?

I don't know, am I scum trying to look busy? What do you want me to say, yes? I don't understand why you would ask me something like that lel.

I am not only concerned with people that are active: note that I specifically asked everyone to give me thoughts on my analysis of Kap town, including you. I would still be interested in your thoughts. I requested him again just because it seemed like that was the most immediate way I could get feedback on this, since he was so active.

Speaking of which, BTD, I'm glad that it made some sense but I am mostly curious as to whether or not Kappy gets lots of townpoints for the reasons I stated, or if not, why.

Phone posting atm since I am going on vacation, but will get a more substantive post up soon hopefully.

See man this is why you are scum, we are 5 pages in and most of it is useless and you are asking for reads rather than trying to make some of your own. This is absolutely nothing but bull shit. You laugh at the question given to you and then proceed to try and well poison. Die please

vote on IV, I mean obvscum, wait no IV was right.

Unfortunately this vote isn't at all. I don't agree with the vote at all and I don't like how he is applying pressure to the only player who is actually playing the game.

He also might just be trying to get the game moving since we are only at 4 pages.

To respond to your Kap post IV I see it as a complete null. I honestly think that it is more likely for a scum to quickhammer his buddy in RVS than it is for a townie to take the risk on hitting scum. If somebody quickhammered in RVS no matter what the other person flipped I would consider them scummy and at the very least anti-town, I just generally wouldn't' want them to stay super long in a game since they are either ridiculously impulsive, scum, or just make generally bad moves. That said I don't scum read him for it since I think that post could have come from either scum or town.

I like this post it feels as though he is trying to interact and get involved, this post feels very genuine.

Now that I'm officially in the game and I know they're not my scumbuddies,
VOTE: Music an Mail.
I <3 you, but you drew scum this game.

{Alpaca, Alexcellent}
{BTD6}
{KickAssAndGiggle, innocentvillager}
{Kappy, shotty}
{Music and Mail}
^Approximately where I'm at right now.
I want Music and Mail lynched.
They're like 95% scum, and lynching scum is good.
If for some ungodly reason I read them wrong and they're town, then they can still scumhunt as invincible town who cannot be nightkilled and therefore cannot be silenced.

Win-win as far as I can tell.
Ergo, we're lynching Music and Mail no matter what.

Especially given the game state an explanation on any of this would have been appreciated. The reads themselves make a lot of sense and this is roughly what I think about the game except put Music and Mail higher and BTD6 lower.
I honestly don't know what I am supposed to do with these posts honestly I have incredibly mixed feelings about it :/

Despite being a scum in Open 638 your reads were suspiciously accurate (scumreading both me and Masquerade together). Perhaps there is something more to your scum hunting.

I also scumread Music and Mail but it's a weak scumread. It's certainly better than voting a townread for virtually no pressure.

VOTE: Music and Mail

Nobody knows more about trees than a ranger...

VOTE: Music and Mail

These are interesting votes in response to that amazing explanation from Ranger...

Autolynching Ranger tomorrow for this.

This is a very passionate post.

VOTE: music an mailVOTE:
Why not

Spoiler: well

Jk I know the tags are wrong

This is how I feel about the current situation.

in fact yeah.

if I get lynched today firefighter is on me anyway and we're autolynching Ranger tomorrow.

this is batshit insane.

You can't force the firefighter to be on you. The firefighter will be on whoever they (not you) think has the greatest chance of being primed.

Autolynching has led Town to so many losses. If you're Town, you could be wrong about Ranger. If Ranger is also Town, she was wrong about you but that does not imply that she is scum.

Oh look more information over scum hunting

Ranger always errs towards errantly townreading me rather than mistakenly scumreading me and I think my play has been very towny this game.
The only reason I can come up with for her doing what she's doing is that she's scared of my scumhunting and wants to douse and ignite me on night 2 while having low chance of firefighter protection.
I refuse to lose my vote if it's not understood that firefighter is on me and if I don't have everyone's words that Ranger is instadead tomorrow.

This is an interesting self observation not sure how I am supposed to feel about it.

Ranger always errs towards errantly townreading me rather than mistakenly scumreading me and I think my play has been very towny this game.

Yeah, no. Every time I've been wrong on my read of you, extenuating circumstances were the cause. Your play here, from

both

heads, is your scumgame.

Especially given:

The only reason I can come up with for her doing what she's doing is that she's scared of my scumhunting and wants to douse and ignite me on night 2 while having low chance of firefighter protection.

This runs contrary to all your knowledge of me. This is your scum faking-town-paranoia act to a T.

Explain your reads on Alpaca, Alexcellent, BTD, KAAG, and innocentvillager to me please.

innocentvillager and KickAssAndGiggle are ambivalent. I believe that's the appropriate word for "one moment looks like a dirty scumbag, the next looks as pure as can be". They waver, significantly, between the two, each post. Reading the same post twice will give two different impressions. Reading it ten times would give at least five or six different impressions. I can't pin them down, at all.

BTD6 started in that category, and frankly, is only barely above them. What bumped him up is that, frankly, I got a mild gut townread from 70 and 74. That's literally it though. Everything else is that same, waving, back-and-forth, can't-pin-down I have for IV and KAAG.

Alpaca instantly became a townread for 28. Of all the RVS posting, that was actually the only one I could get a definitive read on. Everyone else's was null, but Alpaca's entrance stood out as strongly town. Nothing in 63 diminished this. I did like 80 a little as well.

As for Alexcellent, I

almost

got a read on him for 4, but it lacked the 'BUSSED SO HARD' tagline that would have made it definitely town. 46 was a solid town post, as I liked the pressure on Kappy. 69 did not diminish my read, either.

...So basically, this is a rare game where my top tier is barely above null. My top tier is weak town, followed by just-barely-above-null, to null, to just-barely-below-null, to scum.

Ok so these aren't strong town reads that's good and explains a lot. I like this post actually it shows a lot of weakness in her play this game which feels town.

Your play here, from

both

heads, is your scumgame.

[citation needed]

-- Mail

This would be nice if it didn't happen.

I am not sure what to think about the Ranger vs M&M. Honestly both of you look a little scummy, but Ranger more so than M&M. I would be surprised if neither of you were scum.

Change of plans.

VOTE: innocentvillager.

This looks like RVS.

It clearly was. And?

Ok I am less disappointing about obv town being lynched because that quote was pretty scummy honestly. It is fence sitting while declaring both sides as town. But he has just so much other stuff that is obviously town. >_>

[Touka]

I will get to replies and stuff later I just want to catch up first.

[Touka]

Yeah, so if this game continues with this much content scum are going to autowin.

Someone unvote Shotty and let's get some discussion going, hmm?

@Everyone

if you had to pick one person as scum from the last two pages who would it be?

Yeah, so if this game continues with this much content scum are going to autowin.

Someone unvote Shotty and let's get some discussion going, hmm?

@Everyone

if you had to pick one person as scum from the last two pages who would it be?

Probs Kappy.

UNVOTE: Shotty
VOTE: Kappy

Not based on much! But I kind of didn't like the vote/unvote/revote.

Aww Kap you were supposed to keep your vote there and see how he reacts

Sure! VOTE: shotty - I'm too lazy to type the whore thong.

InnocentVillager, if the pressure is required then someone else will probably will vote him. That runs the risk of someone missing the L-1 and inadvertently hammering, thinking that they are putting him at L-1. If anyone does put him at L-1, please make it very obvious.

Shotty is at L-1!!!!!!!!!!

That obvious enough?

The change of vote when shotty got to L-1 suggests maybe that Kappy wasn't comfortable with being on the wagon, but the above post makes it seem like he's putting him back at L-1 with villager and BTD6's permission.

If anyone wants some incentive to hammer myshotty, if he flips town we'll still give you a chance to flail a bit D2 before we lynch you

If he flips scum, we'll autoconfirm you as town and if you're maf that's great incentive to bus

This makes no sense! If he flips scum, you're conftown? No, why would town know he was scum? It would be a coin flip, and no townie wants to take that chance. If he flips scum, the hammerer would be scum.
VOTE: innocentvillager until I understand this logic.

Now that you've said that, if scum do actually bus, they are taking a huge disadvantage now but are much less likely to face a lynch in the future because everyone thinks scum would never hammer. Hammering scum may still give towncred but you should always consider a lynch on them if necessary in the future.

Nulltown: Kappy, InnocentVillager
Null: Alexcellent, Smv, KickAssAndGiggle, Shotty, Alpaca
Nullscum: Music And Mail

These are incredibly weak.

VOTE: InnocentVillager

All my reads are practically null. You are a miniscule townread but I believe pressure is the key to escaping RVS. The read is too weak to matter much.

Looking for an smv replacement per his request.

Guess who? >:D

All of 71 feels pretty forced but I don't have a good grasp of shotty's town meta so idk if he's usually the kind of person to see scummy things in stuff that isn't really alignment indicative.

Also fuck yeah Ranger!

-- Mail

All of 71 feels pretty forced but I don't have a good grasp of shotty's town meta so idk if he's usually the kind of person to see scummy things in stuff that isn't really alignment indicative.

Also fuck yeah Ranger!

-- Mail

Of course it is forced! Look at how slow this game is

why are you only concerned with people that are active? Are you scum just trying to look busy?

I don't know, am I scum trying to look busy? What do you want me to say, yes? I don't understand why you would ask me something like that lel.

I am not only concerned with people that are active: note that I specifically asked everyone to give me thoughts on my analysis of Kap town, including you. I would still be interested in your thoughts. I requested him again just because it seemed like that was the most immediate way I could get feedback on this, since he was so active.

Speaking of which, BTD, I'm glad that it made some sense but I am mostly curious as to whether or not Kappy gets lots of townpoints for the reasons I stated, or if not, why.

Phone posting atm since I am going on vacation, but will get a more substantive post up soon hopefully.

See man this is why you are scum, we are 5 pages in and most of it is useless and you are asking for reads rather than trying to make some of your own. This is absolutely nothing but bull shit. You laugh at the question given to you and then proceed to try and well poison. Die please

vote on IV, I mean obvscum, wait no IV was right.

He also might just be trying to get the game moving since we are only at 4 pages.

To respond to your Kap post IV I see it as a complete null. I honestly think that it is more likely for a scum to quickhammer his buddy in RVS than it is for a townie to take the risk on hitting scum. If somebody quickhammered in RVS no matter what the other person flipped I would consider them scummy and at the very least anti-town, I just generally wouldn't' want them to stay super long in a game since they are either ridiculously impulsive, scum, or just make generally bad moves. That said I don't scum read him for it since I think that post could have come from either scum or town.

I may have pissed you off awe poor baby.
Seriously just read the above post and you'll see the definition of flailing scum

Now that I'm officially in the game and I know they're not my scumbuddies,
VOTE: Music an Mail.
I <3 you, but you drew scum this game.

{Alpaca, Alexcellent}
{BTD6}
{KickAssAndGiggle, innocentvillager}
{Kappy, shotty}
{Music and Mail}
^Approximately where I'm at right now.
I want Music and Mail lynched.
They're like 95% scum, and lynching scum is good.
If for some ungodly reason I read them wrong and they're town, then they can still scumhunt as invincible town who cannot be nightkilled and therefore cannot be silenced.

Win-win as far as I can tell.
Ergo, we're lynching Music and Mail no matter what.

Despite being a scum in Open 638 your reads were suspiciously accurate (scumreading both me and Masquerade together). Perhaps there is something more to your scum hunting.

I also scumread Music and Mail but it's a weak scumread. It's certainly better than voting a townread for virtually no pressure.

VOTE: Music and Mail

Nobody knows more about trees than a ranger...

VOTE: Music and Mail

Autolynching Ranger tomorrow for this.

VOTE: music an mailVOTE:
Why not

Spoiler: well

Jk I know the tags are wrong

in fact yeah.

if I get lynched today firefighter is on me anyway and we're autolynching Ranger tomorrow.

this is batshit insane.

You can't force the firefighter to be on you. The firefighter will be on whoever they (not you) think has the greatest chance of being primed.

Autolynching has led Town to so many losses. If you're Town, you could be wrong about Ranger. If Ranger is also Town, she was wrong about you but that does not imply that she is scum.

Ranger always errs towards errantly townreading me rather than mistakenly scumreading me and I think my play has been very towny this game.
The only reason I can come up with for her doing what she's doing is that she's scared of my scumhunting and wants to douse and ignite me on night 2 while having low chance of firefighter protection.
I refuse to lose my vote if it's not understood that firefighter is on me and if I don't have everyone's words that Ranger is instadead tomorrow.

Ranger always errs towards errantly townreading me rather than mistakenly scumreading me and I think my play has been very towny this game.

Yeah, no. Every time I've been wrong on my read of you, extenuating circumstances were the cause. Your play here, from

both

heads, is your scumgame.

Especially given:

The only reason I can come up with for her doing what she's doing is that she's scared of my scumhunting and wants to douse and ignite me on night 2 while having low chance of firefighter protection.

This runs contrary to all your knowledge of me. This is your scum faking-town-paranoia act to a T.

Explain your reads on Alpaca, Alexcellent, BTD, KAAG, and innocentvillager to me please.

innocentvillager and KickAssAndGiggle are ambivalent. I believe that's the appropriate word for "one moment looks like a dirty scumbag, the next looks as pure as can be". They waver, significantly, between the two, each post. Reading the same post twice will give two different impressions. Reading it ten times would give at least five or six different impressions. I can't pin them down, at all.

BTD6 started in that category, and frankly, is only barely above them. What bumped him up is that, frankly, I got a mild gut townread from 70 and 74. That's literally it though. Everything else is that same, waving, back-and-forth, can't-pin-down I have for IV and KAAG.

Alpaca instantly became a townread for 28. Of all the RVS posting, that was actually the only one I could get a definitive read on. Everyone else's was null, but Alpaca's entrance stood out as strongly town. Nothing in 63 diminished this. I did like 80 a little as well.

As for Alexcellent, I

almost

got a read on him for 4, but it lacked the 'BUSSED SO HARD' tagline that would have made it definitely town. 46 was a solid town post, as I liked the pressure on Kappy. 69 did not diminish my read, either.

...So basically, this is a rare game where my top tier is barely above null. My top tier is weak town, followed by just-barely-above-null, to null, to just-barely-below-null, to scum.

Your play here, from

both

heads, is your scumgame.

[citation needed]

-- Mail

I am not sure what to think about the Ranger vs M&M. Honestly both of you look a little scummy, but Ranger more so than M&M. I would be surprised if neither of you were scum.

Change of plans.

VOTE: innocentvillager.

This looks like RVS.

It clearly was. And?

Ranger, your case is

horribly

reachy and flimsy. Not to mention that innocentvillager looks pretty obvtown to me.
If you're town here you deserve to be lynched.

-- Mail

Ranger would you care to elaborate on why you think I'm town for my RVS vote in post 28.

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Ranger, your case is horribly reachy and flimsy. Not to mention that innocentvillager looks pretty obvtown to me.

Oh really?

Explain your reads on innocentvillager to me please.

I've only played with town-you twice, but both times I could actually understand where your reads were coming from. This, on the other hand... I just... I have several issues with this readslist.

^This implies you held severe issue with innocentvillager, in the middle of my list.

If you're town here you deserve to be lynched.

And this is an attitude you would

never

take as town.

Ever.

ESPECIALLY not to me, of all people.

These are some pretty strong reads based on little content. Your top town reads (including me) really don't have a lot of content to get a read from.

Welcome to a Ranger game.

This is something that, frankly, I thought I wouldn't have to explain anymore aside from the occasional newbie-in-an-open. But to be as explicit as possible: I am

Ranger

. I come from a site which specializes in reading the RVS. It's what we do. I maintain this habit on here. So, yes. Your little content? Is plenty for me.

I don't understand your scum read on Music and Mail. Can you go a bit more into detail as to why they are scum?

Sure! Separate post though; it'll have to wait until after I've caught up.

[Touka]

Oh I was trying to clear all the random quotes I had queued up so I could continue catching up.

[Touka]

@mod can you delete or snip my post with all those quotes it kind of takes up half the page and it was unintended >.>

[Touka]

Welcome to a Ranger game.

This is something that, frankly, I thought I wouldn't have to explain anymore aside from the occasional newbie-in-an-open. But to be as explicit as possible: I am Ranger. I come from a site which specializes in reading the RVS. It's what we do. I maintain this habit on here. So, yes. Your little content? Is plenty for me.

I think you missed the purpose of the question, I think people just want more explanation on all your reads >.>

^The scumread started here. The offered intent, regardless of whether serious or a joke, is not something I see a town player doing. Honestly, given the players in there, it wouldn't at all surprise me to have them lolhammer on page one as town, even. The 'why' behind it is harder to describe without an understanding of them. Basically, while it would be an anti-town action, counter-intuitively, in an RC mindset, it would actually increase their odds of being useful: if they lolhammered scum, they would be confirmed town. If they hammered town, then they would be an incredibly unlikely douse target for N1, effectively ensuring by proxy that they'd live to see D3 at least. What of the D2 risk in being mislynched?

This is a hydra of RadiantCowbells with Postie. Town-them holds absolutely no fear of being lynched whatsoever, because in their world, there isn't any possible way they could get lynched. Given all these factors? Absolutely, yes, I would expect them as town to hammer. Why would they not hammer as scum when much of this applies to their scum game too? Because as scum, their main goal isn't to lynch town, so much as it is to manipulate town into lynching town. A hammer on town would be lynching town, sure. But it would not be playing the long-game.

RadiantCowbells, as scum, is always, ALWAYS setting up for the long-game. A lolhammer is a shortsighted move, something he'd do as town but not as scum because town-RC is shortsighted (mostly) whereas scum-RC is a planner. So, instead of hammering, they contribute to the discussion and look town by giving intent, without actually killing shotty. (Note that this does rely a lot on shotty being town. If shotty were scum and RC were a scumbuddy, absolutely RC would lolhammer on page one, because he'd get town credit for it and it'd cut discussion short.)

So they are scum for not hammering here? Certainly an interesting statement.

This is actually a signature of my scum game, but it applies to theirs just as much: an effort to try and appear town, without actually doing anything town. This is empty.

In 72, I hated the waffle on shotty, and also the way they greeted me did not feel like a town greeting. This was the content as of my "guess who?" post, though at the time I posted that, I hadn't yet received my role PM, so I didn't know if I was replacing in as scum or not. (Obviously, if I had landed into a scum slot, I wouldn't have been able to push them because they'd, you know, be my scumbuddy.)

Since then, we've got more. Aside from what I just pointed out?

This block of text I actually agree with.

If Music and Mail were town, they would be raising absolute hell about my scumread on there. We're talking, going virtually Frozen Angel levels of ballistic.
Well, actually, small correction. If they were town and townread me, they would be ranting at me.
If they were town and scumreading me, they would be ranting at the town about me.

This was it though.
This, literally this, was basically the whole of their Ranger push.
It's fake. It's insincere.
You get 97, but it's not filled with passion. It has no energy. It's flat, dull even.
103 is also more of the same. It's just further elaborating, but at the same time, not. It's not making a big display of it. Me scumreading RC is a very big deal.
To me, RC is just another player. I don't treat him any differently than I would anyone else. But this is not mutual. RC holds me in a whole different league, so he should be angry. He should be emotional. He should be saying how sad he is that I've gone downhill like this, he should be trying to work with me, or if he seriously thinks I replaced in as scum and for some UNGODLY reason went all-out on him (which...runs contrary to literally every piece of my scum meta, ever), he would not rest until I was dead.

Yet he's complacent here.
He's docile.
And that is not a town-Radiant.

And as a last point? (All the posts I've skipped are already featured in my iso; read them.)

This entire game feels incredibly apathetic though.

This is RC setting up the long game. He knows that if I get lynched now, I'm flipping town. I become a tree stump, and I hard push. Others may listen. That's a danger for him. So what does he need to do? He needs to earn town credit. He needs to do something that will make people think he's town. If it makes me think he's town, mission accomplished. But it works even if I still scumread him (I do), so long as others buy into what he's trying to sell here, that he's waiting.

But a town-RC? If he legitimately thought I was scum, he would never let go. He wouldn't unvote, not even for a moment. He might ask for someone else to unvote, sure, yeah, but his vote would remain, because he wouldn't be willing to unvote me.

That's why I'm 95% sure Music and Mail is scum.

This is a really interesting argument honestly.
Ranger feels pretty town here even if here reads are really weird .-.

[Touka]

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Hmm...
Town reading someone for RVS with no reason why. Claiming there's a reason while trying not to explain in. "it's simply not something I need to spend my time on" It wouldn't take much effort to explain it. You already spent time thinking about it, now you just have to write in down. I definitely am leaning towards Ranger+Alpaca as our scum team.

This is such shallow analysis.

Ranger's overconfidence seems to come from a scum perspective. What I mean is that a scum already knows exactly who the scum are and thus may give stronger reads than their Town-self. These reads could be in either direction. A scum might strong scumread a Townie for a chance of an easy mislynch or may strong scumread a partner to avoid detection after the partner flips.

Ranger is my best scumread now. Still only weak-moderate but worth voting on.

VOTE: Ranger

This is now L-1

It puts enough pressure on Ranger now (some others still scumread her such as Alexcellent) so that she can't afford to give bad reasoning now or simply refuse to explain a read. Explaining anything benefits Town. We are in the dark. Scum already know who scum are.

Music and Mail are reading just as confident to me. Also you are doing that thing again where you say your pressure vote is a pressure vote and explain what you want from the player. You can't honestly think that is a good idea >.>


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Ranger vs. Music and Mail feels like really shitty TvT

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

This feels like a town post .-.


Top of page 9 catching up is hard and this game is boring I may stop doing this.
Yeah that was all boring honestly.

[Touka]

{BTD6, Kappy, Sickofit}

Let's lynch in here.

[Touka]

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Hmm...
Town reading someone for RVS with no reason why. Claiming there's a reason while trying not to explain in. "it's simply not something I need to spend my time on" It wouldn't take much effort to explain it. You already spent time thinking about it, now you just have to write in down. I definitely am leaning towards Ranger+Alpaca as our scum team.

Ranger's overconfidence seems to come from a scum perspective. What I mean is that a scum already knows exactly who the scum are and thus may give stronger reads than their Town-self. These reads could be in either direction. A scum might strong scumread a Townie for a chance of an easy mislynch or may strong scumread a partner to avoid detection after the partner flips.

Ranger is my best scumread now. Still only weak-moderate but worth voting on.

VOTE: Ranger

This is now L-1

It puts enough pressure on Ranger now (some others still scumread her such as Alexcellent) so that she can't afford to give bad reasoning now or simply refuse to explain a read. Explaining anything benefits Town. We are in the dark. Scum already know who scum are.

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

@Everyone if you where a dayvig and you where forced to shoot in {BTD6, Kappy, Sickofit} who would you shoot and why would you shoot them?

[Touka]

@Everyone if you where a dayvig and you where forced to shoot in {BTD6, Kappy, Sickofit} who would you shoot and why would you shoot them?

I am so sorry for all the random things I quoted >_<

[Touka]

Interesting = incredibly questionable/bad.

[Touka]

@mod requesting deadline extension as we need to wait for 2 replacements

[Touka]

@Ranger @M&M What do you guys think of the idea that both of you are town?

[Touka]

I think the Fire Fighters should claim today by the way.

[Touka]

Like at the end of the day due to the way kills work it is all wifom regarding night actions so I'd rather have 2 conf towns now then worry about finding scum in a group of 3 fight fighter claims tomorrow. :/

[Touka]

Firefighter*
Fight Fighters, Fire Fighters same thing.

[Touka]

No that would be you silly.

[Touka]

Oh I thought there was 2 firefighters.
Ignore me.

Lul

[Touka]

I am going to keep playing on my Touka account because I like my profile picture. ^_^

[Touka]

So I am scum because I made a set of neutral statements that I specifically stated where not neutral statements later in the game?

[Touka]

So I am scum because I made a set of neutral statements that I specifically stated where not neutral statements later in the game?

Because only scum don't know the roles in an open, to busy being scum to check.

I am certain M&M isn't scum reading me for that.

[Touka]

I think both of you are town and I don't really understand why either of you think I am scum.
We can't lynch scum today if 2 townies are dead set on voting me unless scum bus :/

[Touka]

{Alpaca, Ranger, Shotty, M&M}

I think these players are all town.

[Touka]

Well the 2 people voting me are you and M&M so you guys are the 2 townies.

[Touka]

This game is dead and your reasons for scum reading me are too bad to argue against.

[Touka]

VOTE: M&M

Meh.

[Touka]

You have had 2 reads this game as far as I have seen and both are terrible.
My town read on you was misplaced.

[Touka]

You also have 2 votes as Shotty is content on tunneling me and Ranger is reevaluating the game. If I am scum I am certainly not doing myself any favors right now by pushing you.

[Touka]

Alpaca you are voting M&M in your next post unless you can reasonably explain why they are town.

[Touka]

You also have 2 votes as Shotty is content on tunneling me and Ranger is reevaluating the game. If I am scum I am certainly not doing myself any favors right now by pushing you.

but doing it just to turn around and point out how town it makes you look is scummy as fuuuuuuuuuck

I said it wasn't scummy not that it was towny.

Even if that were true, which it isn't, why have you only just noticed this now and taken it into consideration? And why were you townreading us before and what changed?

Because I don't think it is outside a RC hydra to death tunnel someone who is scum reading him and I do think Ranger was grasping at straws with her initial reads on you so it was justified.
I do think it is outside a town player to have such a low number of reads all game and Ranger grasping at straws with her early reads is nothing new and using unclear words to describe my reads isn't alignment indicative at all.

I never noticed how few reads and how basic your play was all game until I read your ISO after you voted me since it stood out as a terrible vote.

[Touka]

Ranger, BTD and Me are scum.
IV is town.

That is the depth of your reads this game.

[Touka]

Mail are you RC or Postie?

[Touka]

Ranger are you done reevaluating the game yet?

[Touka]

Ranger I want you in here!

[Touka]

Ranger are you done reevaluating the game yet?

Didn't even start.
I've been dealing with exhaustion the last while. Suspected culprit is zinc deficiency, causing among other problems sleep deprivation and trouble focusing. (Beyond the norm.)
We've got a while before deadline, which I'll be using to reread.

That makes sense my bad.
Take your time and get well soon

[Touka]

I feel like M&M is just voting to see what will stick.

[Touka]

No. My read on BTD changed to a townread and I'm townreading Kappy and now shotty too.
I think that's a very reasonable amount of reads given all the lurking in this game.

-- Mail

What could have possibly changed in 12 posts to make you come to the solution Shotty is scum?

[Touka]

solution = conclusion.

[Touka]

This game is really dead.

[Touka]

............

[Touka]

Ranger can we just lynch M&M?

[Touka]

VOTE: Ranger

Right now a Ranger lynch looks more viable than a M&M lynch. I don't scumread Ranger as strongly but I do think that a Ranger lynch is beneficial to Town. If Ranger is Town, she can still give all her reads tomorrow and help Town. If she is scum, then perfect.

Oh god

[Touka]

We aren't lynching Alpaca.

[Touka]

Alpaca who is town and who is scum?

^_^

[Touka]

Trying to lynch Alpaca for not posting when literally no one is providing content is nice.

[Touka]

{Ranger, Smith, M&M} this wins us the game

[Touka]

I'd lynch smith or M&M over Ranger in a heartbeat.

[Touka]

{shotty, Alpaca}
{BTD6}
{Kappy, Touka}
{Music and Mail}
{mhsmith0}
Alpaca at this point is purely gut. shotty's more for his D1 antics. BTD6 is leaning town for much the same, with a side of gut. Kappy's also similar. Touka would be higher if I was seeing the play I was actually expecting from beeboy. I'm seeing elements, and I like his reads, but I'm not at the point where I'd risk the game on him being town.
Music and Mail is basically a scumread purely on "when in doubt, trust your earlier reads" philosophy, and they were a strong early scumread so I literally have no better ideas.
mhsmith, as mentioned, is playing a...very much not-town game. This couldn't be further from his town self. This is best exemplified by this game, which is what I'd have expected from him as a town replacement, yet did not see here.

Maybe I am playing on an alt for a reason. ^.^

[Touka]

Frankly. To be blunt.
I died in our newbie game N1.
I didn't get to see much of your play there. I'll probably be reading your play that game as part of my duties as an IC (so, tomorrow), meaning you'll get the superficial analysis you're asking for then.

FYI that one was at Touka. He's seen me twice as anti-town now. Curious where his read is coming from.

Meta like that is wrong in my opinion. I don't like scum reading people or town reading people solely because of similarities between last play. Does it help? Sure. Does it impact my read now? No.

Your read on Ranger feels opportunistic and your push on Alpacas reads as meh.
Also your slots past players probably all replaced out for a reason and the original owner of your slot made some pretty bad votes.
You are also defending M&M for what appears to be no reason.

Pedit: that is a terrible read based on agreeing with a terrible read oh my.

[Touka]

VOTE: smith

[Touka]

I feel like you ignored all the alex posts as well which is really scummy,

Pedit: oh god my reads evolved after I entered a game myself what a surprise.

[Touka]

mhsmith and M&M's reads just feel like a bunch of confirmation bias.

[Touka]

But it isn't even good confirmation bias it is like they are trying to seek a lynch not actually find a scum lynch.

[Touka]

Really think Alpaca was scum who was consciously lurking.

Really don't like them jumping in and finally producing comment when we voted them.

I want them lynched today.

If this isn't confirmation bias I don't know what is.

[Touka]

Really think Alpaca was scum who was consciously lurking.

Really don't like them jumping in and finally producing comment when we voted them.

I want them lynched today.

If this isn't confirmation bias I don't know what is.

How exactly is that confirmation bias?

He ignored the entire post to come to the conclusion that Alpaca is only posting because he was under pressure.

[Touka]

Asks someone to post

If he doesn't post he is scum
If he posts he is still scum

[Touka]

Ok maybe this miscommunication wouldn't happen if you told me what part of the post you didn't like.

[Touka]

If I didn't know you were Beeboy and you didn't just jump on me in this terrible way I'd consider it.

It's fine it just makes it easier to ignore your read if you don't bother explaining it.

[Touka]

Using that logic you should be 100% ok voting Smith right now.

[Touka]

Well me and Ranger think he is town. If Ranger is town like I think she is achieving a lynch on Alpaca will require the cooperation of every single member of the town while having both scum on board.
So he could easily just be trying to buddy up as the lynch isn't that easy to achieve.

[Touka]

Also he could just be trying to slow roll his way onto the wagon and be doing a poor job.
Like a lot of things could explain his actions as scum without Alpaca.


pedit: Well me and Ranger think Alpaca is town. If Ranger is town like I think she is achieving a lynch on Alpaca will require the cooperation of every single member of the town while having both scum on board.
So smith could easily just be trying to buddy up as the lynch isn't that easy to achieve.

[Touka]

There where roughly 11 posts a good chunk of those where walls which was an exchange between Alex and Ranger.
Saying the posts where one hour an apart really misrepresents the situation in all honesty considering the quantity of the exchange between Ranger and Alex.

Why are you trying to convince me my slot is scum?

[Touka]

I personally wouldn't have been voting Ranger at that moment so it is hard for me to say what would cause a shift.

[Touka]

Maybe Alex just reevaluated his Ranger read all together. I really don't know.

[Touka]

I still think Shotty is town he is giving himself really limited lynch options if he is scum.

Unless it is a Smith+Shotty scum team which wouldn't be that odd honestly.