Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

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Still looking at things, but I could see why Innocent was lynched,

It puts him at L-1, but My vote goes to BTD hypothetically.

More to be done soon.

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Vote count 1.4

Music and Mail - (3) Ranger, BTD6_maker, KickAssAndGiggle

This is not a town wagon.

(RangerVMusic is TvT, so you tell me which of the others are mafia).

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Oh, M+M is a RC hydra....

Yeah, gonna enforce that town read and leave it at that.

Alex is tingling my "hes so towny that hes actually scum" senses.

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sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Holy shit dude, sorry about that. Get better soon.

Phone posting, but for now I am confused on why Ranger has spent all of her time bickering with M&M, while I am somehow "100% scum". Townie play would be to focus on trying to get me lynched.

@Ranger why aren't you doing more to get me lynched?

I don't know you well enough for you to care that much... why are you buddying me? I'm pushing for your lynch.

Weak-moderate Town: Alpaca,
Null-weak Town: Alexcellent, Kappy, Shotty
Null-weak scum: KAAG
Weak-moderate scum: Ranger, Music And Mail (even within a slot, Music seems scummier than Mail)
Moderate-strong scum: InnocentVillager

Intent on IV

He started off distancing Ranger whilst backing out of the wagon when it looked dangerous. Now he is defending Ranger and criticising the wagon that he was on himself. IV and Ranger seem a likely scumteam.

This probably gets explained later, but idk how you are scumreading Ranger and M+M together.

They are not bussing.

(So, what im saying is your reads are fake).

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mod daytalk?

also iv I think I pegged you.

Youre town.

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Do we know who was doused last night or is this not Town of Salem?

You replaced into a scumrole...

But I like you.

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{Alpaca, Ranger, Shotty, M&M}

I think these players are all town.

Take Alpaca out and yes

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Titus replaced Touka

Town Mafioso replaces Music and Mail.

We are full! I'll set deadline at July 7th, 10:00pm pst to accommodate the 4th of July weekend for the states.

Thank you for your patience through finding the replacements

!

I should fucking read.

BTD>>>Kappy>>>Alpaca/Smith and trees win.

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Vote count 1.4

Music and Mail - (3) Ranger, BTD6_maker, KickAssAndGiggle

This is not a town wagon.

(RangerVMusic is TvT, so you tell me which of the others are mafia).

1) why is it not a town wagon?
2) why is ranger town?

1. It happened within 3 posts, thats as bad as sheeping gets.
2. So far his posting looks town and the arguement between the two looks townie, based on what I know about RC.

Both Titus and TM have basically represented that they didn't know which slots they subbed into, which seems like it's either a clear town slip (if they really didn't notice/remember) or a fake out (if they're just faking it). Not sure which. Seems likelier to be a legit slip by Titus, since she was the first to do it, but it's plausible that this was a town slip by both slots.

To be fair, the mod doesnt update the playerlist. I would proceed to throw titus under the bus and say its definitely odd that she would make such a mistake, but its null anyways.

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My point is that both of you seemed to not know which slots you yourselves subbed into (Titus scum reading Alex, you town reading m&m in the way u did in 756), which is he sort of carelessness that seems to generally be more town indicative (unless of course it's faked)

Thats because alex was scummy as hell. His replacement made the slot town.

Still, not knowing your slot is a nulltell anyways.

Also, what about Rangers posts look town and/or how/why does rc arguing with ranger indicate town ranger?

Just his first inital posts made it look good.

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Oh, but I fucking dare.

Never lynching this.

Why?

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Trying to lynch Alpaca for not posting when literally no one is providing content is nice.

This slot is really invested in protecting that slot.

That slot is your slot...

Oh

I lol'd

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@tm:

1) why was Alex "scummy as hell"? I didn't understand your "he's so towny he's scum" bit, including what in particular he'd said to create that reaction. And what from touka / titus recovered it?
2) which posts are you referencing as making ranger looking good? First of the game? First while fighting w m&m? Something else? And do you have an opinion of her other than those early posts?

I know you want an extremely detailed explanation on how someone can be so towny they are scum, but I dont do that. Mafia, in nature, are usually either silent because they doubt their skills or fluff posters that make them seem useful. Sometimes however, some look townie who are scumhunting the wrong people, intentionally for not. His posts give the vibe of fake scumhunting. In contrast, his replacement has been better imo. Id put that slot next to drmy and Ranger as "people i want to assume are town for now."

As for number 2, I consider RC to be a fantastic Townhunter, but a poor scumhunter. Obviously Ranger is a character of importance (ie: someone who is known) hence his enterance and such. I highly doubt both arsos would wagon M+M like that, so Ill take the genuine sounding Ranger to be an actual scumhunter and one of BTD/Kickass to be scum. Thats not an all-town wagon.

Tell me something. Lets say we lynch BTD and he flips town. Would you push a wagon on Alpaca?

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I don't like 110.

I'm disappointed none of you agree really agree with my Kappy read. Oh well, I guess we all have different tells. I'm still going to stick with my gut and call him town.

Why do you want everyone to agree with you and town read Kappy so badly?

I am not sure what to think about the Ranger vs M&M. Honestly both of you look a little scummy, but Ranger more so than M&M. I would be surprised if neither of you were scum.

I don't really like this. It reads as though you're dismissing the possibility of it being TvT, therefore there has to be one that's scum, and you're leaving it open to both of them being scum. And you're not really committing to a read of one being scummier than the other.

VOTE: Ranger

Bc top scumread atm.

Now that I look at it again, M&M's later reaction posts just look like annoyed confibiasing townie omgusing on Ranger. But I'll look at this again tomorrow, since maybe I'm the one confbiasing my stance on the Ranger vs. M&M debate. More on this later.

Even here, it's like you're saying Ranger's scummier, but you're giving yourself room to backtrack if required.

Town: Alexcellent
Null-Town: Kappy; Alpaca
Null: BTD6; drmyshotty; Kickass; Music & Mail
Scum: Ranger; InnocentVillager

IV is in the scum pile largely for 110, the apparent strong need for everyone to agree with his reads and the non-committal Ranger vote. Also didn't get a good vibe from the way he was reacting to shotty.
Ranger's strangely confident reads list doesn't strike me as necessarily scummy itself - just weird. I don't know where the reads come from. But I do dislike her more recent posts and the sudden jump from M&M to IV is pretty jarring and unexpected, considering how strong her scum read was on M&M. Also, she appears to be dodging Alpaca's question (116). Gonna do this.

VOTE: Ranger

That's L-1!!

I find 134 reachy in a lot of ways and I strongly disagree with some of the things you're saying. In particular, I don't think they would lolhammer as town and I certainly wouldn't scum read them for not hammering an RVS wagon. However, I kind of don't see your analysis coming from scum.

I don't think I've played with Postie before. And I only really have experience with RC's town game, although:

If you're town here you deserve to be lynched.

And this is an attitude you would

never

take as town.

Ever.

ESPECIALLY not to me, of all people.

I feel like I

could

see that coming from town RC, so I'm not so sure that I'd buy them as scum. However I'm feeling better about you.

And yeah I forgot about Sharing is Caring. Although I think you replaced in well after I died.

If you're 100% scum, would you agree to get lynched tomorrow when you're wrong about me?

Of course you would. After all, there is no chance involved in 100% scum, right?

Please lynch Ranger immediately on D2 if I happen to get lynched kthxbai

You realise if you're lynched as town, you're not actually out of the game, you just lose your vote, right? This doesn't feel like it's coming from a tree's perspective.

Post 124: The fact that IV was scum because he wanted people to believe his reads is how I as scum would destroy a noob townie (which IV was). There was nothing scummy about it. Also calls IV scum for suggestion TvS, which just feels fabricated (ps: thats not scummy either).

Post 126: Instead of leading an IV wagon, goes for the easier Ranger wagon because it had steam. Thats not a good town move etheir, ESPECIALLY when he switches to IV a few posts later

Post 146 just screams something mafia would say to fake towntells. Mafia are more into the setup than townies.

Alex just seemed like going for the obvious lynch, and thats why Im glad hes not here otherwise I would have burried him today.

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@tm:

2) what about ranger is genuine sounding? Fypov, ranger spent d1 "scum hunting the wrong people, intentionally or not", since iv flipped green and you know your alignment. I personally found Rangers cases on both slots reachy and oversold compared to the merits, so if there's reason to think that was actually town!ranger, I'd really want to know why.

She was using Meta as a case for RC, which isnt the best of arguements, especially against RC. However, I can see the reason as her actually believing that RC was arso. She is wrong, her reads are off (especially on Alex), but I can see the townie in her.

The only way I could see Rangerscum at this point was if IV was arso. I just wish she would have focused on BTD and Kickass as soon as they voted. #Tunnelvision.

P-Edit: because again, Ranger screams wrongtownie while Alex was being scummy with his convictions. Its very hard to explain, but I can see why IV was lynched. Im not blaming the wagon completly, but theres a different feel in their words.

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Ranger would you care to elaborate on why you think I'm town for my RVS vote in post 28.

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Ranger, your case is horribly reachy and flimsy. Not to mention that innocentvillager looks pretty obvtown to me.

Oh really?

Explain your reads on innocentvillager to me please.

I've only played with town-you twice, but both times I could actually understand where your reads were coming from. This, on the other hand... I just... I have several issues with this readslist.

^This implies you held severe issue with innocentvillager, in the middle of my list.

If you're town here you deserve to be lynched.

And this is an attitude you would

never

take as town.

Ever.

ESPECIALLY not to me, of all people.

These are some pretty strong reads based on little content. Your top town reads (including me) really don't have a lot of content to get a read from.

Welcome to a Ranger game.

This is something that, frankly, I thought I wouldn't have to explain anymore aside from the occasional newbie-in-an-open. But to be as explicit as possible: I am

Ranger

. I come from a site which specializes in reading the RVS. It's what we do. I maintain this habit on here. So, yes. Your little content? Is plenty for me.

I don't understand your scum read on Music and Mail. Can you go a bit more into detail as to why they are scum?

Sure! Separate post though; it'll have to wait until after I've caught up.

Again, this seems like metahunting townie. I dont know their history, but this is something that usually leans townie. Wrong judgement, but townie.

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I forgot to mention it, but Ranger 134 enforces my point about him genuinly feeling that Im scum.

Ranger would you care to elaborate on why you think I'm town for my RVS vote in post 28.

I could easily!
I'm choosing not to. It's a non-issue. Unless you're at risk of being lynched, it's simply not something I need to spend my time on.

Ranger, your case is horribly reachy and flimsy. Not to mention that innocentvillager looks pretty obvtown to me.

Oh really?

Explain your reads on innocentvillager to me please.

I've only played with town-you twice, but both times I could actually understand where your reads were coming from. This, on the other hand... I just... I have several issues with this readslist.

^This implies you held severe issue with innocentvillager, in the middle of my list.

If you're town here you deserve to be lynched.

And this is an attitude you would

never

take as town.

Ever.

ESPECIALLY not to me, of all people.

These are some pretty strong reads based on little content. Your top town reads (including me) really don't have a lot of content to get a read from.

Welcome to a Ranger game.

This is something that, frankly, I thought I wouldn't have to explain anymore aside from the occasional newbie-in-an-open. But to be as explicit as possible: I am

Ranger

. I come from a site which specializes in reading the RVS. It's what we do. I maintain this habit on here. So, yes. Your little content? Is plenty for me.

I don't understand your scum read on Music and Mail. Can you go a bit more into detail as to why they are scum?

Sure! Separate post though; it'll have to wait until after I've caught up.

I am not sure what to think about the Ranger vs M&M. Honestly both of you look a little scummy, but Ranger more so than M&M. I would be surprised if neither of you were scum.

Change of plans.

VOTE: innocentvillager.

This looks like RVS.

It clearly was. And?

This is the post in question, and had IV flipped scum, this would have been a bus.

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I can see how and why you would think that, but I could have been persuaded to vote IV.

It looks frustrated town now, but i see some noobscum in him and thats why I think he was lynched.

I dont know the first thing about ranger, but overconfidence and being wrong arent scumtells,

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Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

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What's up bitches. This is my first game back after like 2 years, so I'm pretty rusty on my mafia. Got inspired to play again because I miss the bullshitty, argumentative circlejerking and wifom shitting that is this game.

Yo IV.

You said it first.

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Also, Titus seems uninterested in this game, and thats a towntell if i ever seen one.

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Theres alot more I want to do today, but with everyone V/LA, I think I want a flip.

So fuck it:

VOTE: BTD

L-1

Why do you actually scumread me?

So far your reads look fake and fabricated.

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Also, we dont need an extention.

If youre a tree, you can bitch at us tomorrow. But then again:

You're not talking tomorrow.

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Nulltown: Kappy, InnocentVillager

Nullscum: Music And Mail

These are incredibly weak.

VOTE: InnocentVillager

All my reads are practically null. You are a

miniscule townread

but I believe pressure is the key to escaping RVS. The read is too weak to matter much.

I dont care if its RVS, this is stupid. Like the vote should have been on M+M, so.

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Well, at least this was a good lynch.

Town have a very good chance in this game now.

Oh God.

you need to die.

(I'd say kill it with fire, but not here).

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So your reads were fake at that time?

Because voting "Null-town" over "Null or worse" seems off.

Also, town doesn't say "This was a good lynch," Scum do to make themselves look better when he flips town.

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Ignoring the top question means your reads were fake.

GG

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Smith, this isnt a newbie game.

Quit coaching

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Yes, I will fix it but I will do your read first. Then I will get on to my wagon reads.

Im not giving you an extention to waste more of my time

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Well we just loss Drmy to a ban, so now I definatly want a longer night rather than an extention.

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I dont know the first thing about ranger

Liar. You have the confidence of an alt who has played with me before. I don't really care who you are, you're not RC, but you ARE someone who has played with me in some prior game.

And for the record, to be blunt.
Normal games I'm a good scumhunter in.

This game's going in my wiki as one of my worst games ever, period, end of discussion. Even if it turns out that {you, mhsmith} are the scum, the VAST inconsistency and lack of strength behind my push would render any and all credit I'd deserve for those callouts moot. And obviously, if you're not scum (I just don't know anymore), then I don't know who the second would be. I think mhsmith is scum. But that's all I have.

Are you an alt?

If not im dead serious i dont know you

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Also, heres an ultimatum:

Im replacing out if theres a no lynch.

And its a possibility with Titus and Alpaca fucking around and Drmy being banned

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So no lynch.

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Hey, I am on the biggest wagon.

Forget it.

We have three days at least. I dont want to hammer btd at this time, but will do so to avoid a no lynch if needed. I'd also like to see what the shotty replacement has to say about things.

Are you scum with shotty?

Because we dont know when we are getting a replacement

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@Mafioso, if you were so concerned, why not vote BTD? You hard townreading him?

Titus is not scum.

I will defend this til the end of time.