Newbie 1714 (Game Over)

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Hello guys i dont think after seeing all the newbie matches my message gives double meaning or suspicion except a simple greeting

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Guys after seeing everything..Beeboy is acutally just suspicious to me. Now i am just not up for any wagons or stuff but seeing her , i feel they are not so innocent. BUT WAIT, she might just be too pro for all this too but still.

<vote>Beeboy</vote>
<vote>Beeboy</vote>

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Atleast i made my vote obvious enough

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@Zaicon..i voted beeboy above but the code didnt work

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I dont know but the frequent over reacting in her message for eg, OH YOU GOT ME etc. If she is townie and someone votes her day 1 or anytime someone would actually focus on her defense stuff and not about reacting about it stuff. And just how calm she is acting when not voted or when not even a single finger is pointed at her. Well again suspicion.

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Well Mafia Goon+Goofy nature+Well Mixed In= VERY POWERFUL. So lets just not COMPLETELY TAKE beeboy out of our choices as that would indicate that she has well mixed in and then it will be trouble later

My views on ranger..hmm ..i wont vote for him because if he was mafia, he just cant act weird though, like bit bossy and stuff, but the guy is being original though. Usually mafia doesnt be that much original and just repeat stuff later.

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Sad cant be mafia (Now i know others are like i am just too much against their choices), but just see, if he was mafia, he would be too excited to do his role, and do debates, defense etc.

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This is my first match Zyf.

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Vandit, what's your experience playing mafia? Just wondering.
Anyway, after reading thru some other beeboy posts, I'm relatively convinced their attitude wasn't scummy. They seem to have a playful attitude overall.

This.. Zyf even i said their posts arent suspicioud. You are just repeating the stuff i said in a very much short manner. It was just beeboy for me which i still later said not to remove from our choices.

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Wait a minute. The 'I am relatively convinced their attitude wasn't scummy. They seem to have a playful attitude' message referring to Sad and Ranger??;or you are referring to beeboy's posts as 'their'
. If you are referring to beeboy, then my repllay to that is ALRIGHT OK. But if you are referring yo Sad and Ranger whom i just gave my views on, then you are repeating the same stuff that i said. I said their activities are not scummy and are not suspicious atleast to me along with the reason i just stated in post #109 and #110

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Oh mafia experience too?? Town of Salem and Epic Mafia. Lets get back to the discussion already now??

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Well i gave my read on Sad along with reason in post #110 even though i didnt even voted for him. Now only those who have actually just voted for him as he did only 1 post you can do better than just random lynches. Hate to see in some matches people do random lynches and the guy turns out to be a Vanilla Townie or of Town Support.

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I'm feeling decent focus onto me and what actually reads as some paranoia from ranger. Honestly flattering

I'd have zyf above beeboy considering beeboys more tonal and very experienced vs newb obvtown, but other than that. Mmm

There will eventually be reads on almost all of us before any lynches take place. That is why those who have showed that they support random lynches in the first scenario by voting again and again over sad, starting a wagon. They just might be mafia and wont they just be happy seeing townies random lynching each other and laughing themselves.

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support over* random lynches

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And just going around voting him themselves.

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Honestly this is the only way to get leads right now.

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I am actually so confused now ..at some place one is being so much heroic , like a townie hero that can also be a mafia, and at one place, those who i have i suspicion are actig more trustworthy. Damn it does happen in all the matches??

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Quote of Post 0 Removed ~Zaicon

You know what.. i am going to vote now.. VOTE: Raskolnikov
Now Reason-
I am not voting Sickofit as that guy might be having some troubles and not being able to post here but he is ACTUALLY being FEARLESS by not debating much here too and knowning that it would inflict suspicion on him. He also might be doing that so people like i am and wont actually vote him but dude..THAT TOO risky (espicially in a newbie match). That also might be the reason because he is knowning of himself being a Townie or either having a role of either being a Strong Townie player that functions at night and would kill the mafia/ cripple it (like jailkeeper).

Now why i voted rask??
If you actually see his posts like 3-4 times you will get that those arent strong ones and werent even goofy ones and were really WEAK ONES. Now even a mafia guy can do some strong discussion but there would easily be suspicion by seeing his tone, views on others, etc. factors which actually beeboy did very good, so a bit less suspicion. Now rask, if you would notice his posts in earlier were very worried about votes on him. He was actually worried about a wagon of votes and random lynch that could happen to him. Plus when zyf was getting even a little suspicious about him (which he is about everyone) he was the one who came out talking about him that its all turning on him etc. NOW THATS A LEAD atleast.

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Now even i am noticing that i am voting for others and providing strong reasons etc. so that i can avoid suspicion fron myself. Go on, discuss about me, maybe that would get us leads and somewhere close to who actually to lynch.

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Now there can also be a counter that actually Sickofit is mafia. And he is telling that he will be busy for a few days, and wont be able to debate much and so we dont bother about him much and just as night comes (which comes after those FEW DAYS), he starts killing.

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Ranger, rather than just flaming us for being newbs and the insulting process carried out in your post, i would tell you that i am angry NOT FOR being charged being a mafia by you, but for the sheer flaming done i would like to ask you ITS A NEWBIE MATCH, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT.

Now, on the topic,
In your post, neither have you posted any reason, nor any question. Neither any hint/clue for all of us about the next lynch, nor any leads. Neither any good-to-know advice nor any important stuff/information. Can you please just go ahead and tell the thread about how is your post above even useful.

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Your post is exceedingly like 'Oh yes, i am the Big Guy (IC), i suspice these 2 noobs, they got no skills, i will teach two later but for now lynch these 2 noobs now everybody.

AND WITH NO REASON of suspicion, framing etc. Its just a raw flaming post made by you.

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First of all ranger..it wasnt me flaming ..it was you who was doing the flaming work. Now just stop it. Get back to Discussion.

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Lets just do 1 thing..how about we just call out people whom we have suspicion on. And if somebody is common is everyone's suspicion, and just hear his defense. That surely can help in getting leads

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As an IC, I can't help but feel very guilty.
I kind-of feel like we've got a dual-newbie scumteam of {sad, Vandit}, which as a newbie is an absolutely

horrible

place to be. It really feels like they're both scum, who don't yet know what they're supposed to be doing.

And if I happen to be right about you two, preemptively, I have to say...sorry. <3

If I'm right, in postgame, I'll try to give you advice to play better, but for now, I would ask you not to quit even though you two are my main suspicions.

I...find myself not trusting this.
The appeal to pity feels...forced?
I can't put my finger on it, but something's off. It's like,

too

gushing or something.

So, here are my views on what'll happen:
1) Lynch sad1492:
If they flip scum, then I'll feel much better about ranger and sickofit.
If they flip town, however...beeboy can definitely be more trusted and first place I'm pointing fingers is a ranger+sickofit scumteam.
2) Lynch sickofit-This is my ideal situation, as I think we'll get more 'mixed' or changing reaction out of this lynch; lynching sad is just that: a lynch. Unless sad claims for themself, their partner is highly unlikely to try and pull them out as it's very suspicious. Sickofit is a bit shakier and more discreet, and will be better for the discussion. Predictions on sick lynch:
If they flip scum, there are multiple people (ranger, apparently vandit, sad could still be scum, etc.) who could be their partners, but we'll have leads to start our investigation from the mess before the actual lynch.
If they flip town, then it'll completely change who I'm looking for. Ranger can be more trusted, and sad is gonna look more scummy for pushing sick and opposing them. Granted, it's mostly been me, but look at Sick's iso for yourself. It looks a lot like someone who's trying to fit in with whatever's going on at the time-without actually contributing anything.
3) Lynch Ranger-right now this is the riskiest one, because if they flip town we're in big trouble because we lost one of the main contributors to the discussions. And they have more experience than say, me.
If they flip scum, however, my first suspicions will be towards sick again. Followed by sad for a possible day 1 bus tactic.
If they flip town, like I said, it's really dangerous.

I'm leaning pretty much solely on option 2 because I think it will yield more than any of the other paths.

Those are the only 3 people I'm interested in lynching right now, anyway.

I know zyf.. thats why i had to address it

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In the case if sickofit, he is my biggest suspect right now. Sad is my second option to lynch because which kind of mafia doesnt prepare for his defense and gives people that opportunity so he gets on everybody's suspicion list..

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Iso??

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Well ..rask hasnot done anything special right now. So my suspicion again can turn out to be a guess. But post #112 was a really special gesture by sickofit..i will vote sickofit now

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VOTE: Sickofit113

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Honestly zyf.. please dont be upset.. i think i am getting a bit suspicion on you.. you are just ..too much kind

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I am working on giving my explanations, I have some busy days coming up and I will be on not as much as I will like but I will definitely get up what I can.

I dont trust a guy who says he is busy and has that much time to open mafia, post this, and just leave. So we dont bother about him for some days which gets him time and he starts to kill in night time.

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My sick vote was a Rvs vote dude. Same for why I say I liked your vote on bee boy. It was all a joke.
Now I strongly fos ranger, his reads are more likely misdirections.

That is actually good enough thoughts on ranger. The same suspicion was with me and now you just proved it too. Now even if it was beeboy or zyf or rask or anybody that actually feel like he is doing misdirections i am going to say the same thing, not that 'sad' said this and i am all into agreement with him. Now not considering his flaming post made me angry (my suspicion on ranger is not because of that)

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Senpai please teach me ;-;

<3

I think that, as far as how I'll IC, the best way in general will just be to let things be unless I see an obvious need to intervene, e.g. if a newbie expects to seriously no-lynch on D1 I'd need to tell them why we don't do that.

Also, I know you know the answer to this, but no spoilers. I want the newbs here to think about this:
{beeboy}
{dvds}
{Zyf, sad}

THIS POST espicially by Ranger is really really suspicious. He said he is IC so he WILL just intervene sometimes to help noobies etc., BUT this can also be a method so he can misdirect the topic for a while, make some very very clever/OFFICIAL looking posts so people absolutely dont suspect him any further until later. Now as we noticed above he did intervene but that wasnt helpful AT ALL and seemed to be just kind of forced/something else (as quoted by Zyf earlier)

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Some very legit ones though..

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Rask maybe you should read my posts CORRECTLY. I mentioned i am not angry becuase he just has mentioned that i could be mafia (we all have suspicion over each other about this). Yes, the attack was horrible indeed, but no, that was just because of a post he made about suspicions, without even a single reason present (not even a single, likena forced allegation) which really really made it look like a flaming post.

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Like a*

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reason i dont like sad.

He has been lurking.
He has not been doing anything except defending his vote on me and he is not actively scumhunting.

Im completely convinced he is scum and i just need to find a buddy.

I have been noticing it as well.. and just as i showed some interest in his evidence, boom, 5 posts in a row about ranger. Suspicious enough for me to vote for him as he is clearly defending himself from getting votes by a ton.

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VOTE: Sad1492

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Role claim?? Anyone??

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Well usually, in Town of Salem, Epic Mafia all do role claims once majority votes have been posted

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Are you kdding me.
Vandit.
You just hammered sad.

You IDIOT! We didn't even get a claim!!

What did you mean by 'claim' here.. sorry but i am newbie

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Exactly and this was the reason i voted Sad. You can see my reason on post #204

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Role claim?? Anyone??

Role claim?? Anyone??

Literally no point anymore. Sad has been majority voted.
In fact, your push for a random role claim is extremely scummy.
Now reading vandit as scum.

Are you kdding me.
Vandit.
You just hammered sad.

You IDIOT! We didn't even get a claim!!

What did you mean by 'claim' here.. sorry but i am newbie

What did you MEAN by that word 'CLAIM' in the above post. This was the reason i brought up Role Claim because i thought you wanted to get a role claim on Sad

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If you werent meaning that role claiming that is done in Town of Salem and Epic Mafia, then ok

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Beeboy..i dont know why, but once you say you are sick and wont be able to be here but i am seeing you online for a lot time right now..

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@Zyf Well surely i am a newbie, and i dont know what actually happens in Forum Mafia and likely to option to consider them to the instant mafia Matches done at other places. But now as its my first match and have actually learned quite a lot i am getting it as its a game of patience. Ok back to the discussion, can you provide some reasons of your above suspicion. It was just a simple thing i was asking is done or not. Now if its causing suspicion to you, and is seemingly to be having 'Deep Double Meaning', can you explain it a bit further of how you think It can actually bring the thread closer to the next lynchee..

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Beeboy..i dont know why, but once you say you are sick and wont be able to be here but i am seeing you online for a lot time right now..

In beeboy's defense making coherent reads when you're really under the weather is quite difficult.

I was just having an idea about the next lynch, when i immediately came to see that sometimes the online status on main page also helps alot in finding out scums and what they might be planning to do. So i went ahead and posted by thoughts instantly about it and saw her going offline (instantly after beeboy saw it) and from inside i knew some thing is ACTUALLY WRONG.

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Now on the allegations you put on me, i have to say i didnt deny you any valuable chance INSTEAD you got out of focus with your real scum you were hunting (which was Sad1492). The reason for this out of focus and after seeing your above post HAS CONFIRMED to be my lack of knowledge about what happens to be i know, a bit annoying but you actually helped (and for that thanks) and if anyone obviously reads page 9 on the thread the misdirect from sad to me because of as i said above (my certain lack of knowledge about certain words he used) happened THERE. After i am saying this after the COMPLETE examination process which i also find pretty peculiar obviously as i know it..

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Beeboy can you please explain your actions about what you were doing in the forums for like 20-30 minutes and i even recorded that you werent even in any other match too. Not the first time i have seen you, but since night 1 started after like 15 minutes you again came and lasted for long timr and then again i saw you being online later on for like solid 15 minutes and i can guarantee you have been costantly online before night 1 AND YOU ARE NOT EVEN IN ANY OTHER MATCH/MISH MASH OR JUST ANYTHING. I also saw Sickofit being online for long enough but he was playing chess in the Forum MishMash (i have recorded everything). I saw zyf here too many a times but just after night 1 started he went offline and also came after but it was only for like 5 minutes and that also rarely(this shows he isnt on hidden as why would he even appear after that for a single second). Beeboy didnt you say that you were sick too?? And even generally saying you havent even done any kind of scumhunting, not providing any leads, just sheer excuses to buy time so you wont get to debate (as you know that in day 1 wheneverybody is there, they doubt everything single thing) . Huge suspicion on you Beeboy. Ranger was here too but he is in other large games and i even saw his posts there. F-o-ex was here but he just went away after seeing the night 1 commence and rarely appeared for like 3-5 minutes (this shows he isnt on hidden as why would he even appear after that for a single second). No sign of dvs. Shows he MIGHT BE townie beause he maybe has no role to do as Mafia but all of the Mafia actually have an important role. Even Rask was there but he is also in another match (and i saw his posts. Beeboy you need to explain your actions as soon as possible. If you are going to say ' No, Beeboy is in a match so thats why she was there' let me tell you ..nope.. i am talking about posts done too, what would she do for like solid 15 minutes everytime?? Glare at her own match??

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Still looking for your reply Beeby even though knowing you were online for again a long long time after i posted my above message.

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@Zyf Toxicity?? I am just demanding a reason what she was doing here being online for long times in the thread after night 1 and not posting anywhere on the website..

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Remove quote of post #0. ~Zaicon

@Zyf You are just highly manipulative and just denying your own doings.. didnt you yourself in #117 asked sad to get talking in a very disrespectful and pushy matter. And now its clear you are distracting rather than helping me get to the beeboy case. My suspicion towards you is getting even even bigger.

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@Sick i do not know why didnt you even changed your vote on sad (before night 1) and just went on going (since start of day 1)without any debates or knowning anything and till the end.

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@Zyf if you will notice because i noticed that if you read this whole thread (since start) when people actually do random voting and stuff for fun.. sick was the only guy who voted for sad and till the end when we all were saying he is innocent etc (in the middle, not towards the end) still he didnt unvote him. And again didnt unvote sad till he was lynched. I voted for him for a reason,but he.. just no reason.

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So you voted him and went with him anyway?? And yes..you voted him just after like some hours those whole thread actually started.. why??

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My suspicions have been on Beeboy and now on Sickofit and obviously there are 2 mafias

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Zyf if real life exists for beeboy ..why is she online right now and still not posting anywhere for hours..online means she is on Mafiascum.net

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If a person isnt scumhunting, not debating, doing discussions and is still online on the website and providing excuses for being sick. If someone is sick ..can you literally see him being online for hours and hours ahead for long times and comig again and again. If you dont know where the list for online people is..its on Board Index and below. And i have seen her after night 1 for like alot of time for long long time everytimd which might indicate that she was doing something scums do..not even posting on any other threads as well being here.

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I dont see personal life being attacked anywhere..

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Hope you will be happy seeing my role ok guys??

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Gg mafia

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And that whether i am lying or not we will see after the lynch hope it treats you all well

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If i get lynched ..please vote sick..i explained everything above..but whatever..he just started reacting too much all of sudden after i started getting pointed ..as if i did something to him

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Even though mod said its ok..

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Death of 3 vanilla townies will treat you all good.. Gg mafia

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Gg mafia Gg mafia