Newbie 1715 (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

Hello folks!
VOTE: Dwlee

[SirCakez]

I voted Dwlee because he's good at fooling me as scum.

[SirCakez]

It was for RVS though if it wasn't clear...

[SirCakez]

I was referring to games I watched from the outside (Cyberpunk, GTA 2), not games we were in together.

[SirCakez]

How is lying about that voteworthy Creature?

[SirCakez]

It's a reaction test, I don't want to wait something happen in this boring RVS.

What did your test reveal?

Cakey are you scum?

Nope
I hate being scum in Newbie games ftr, it feels bad fooling them

tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.

rofl if this is true

Checking his profile and seeing his age I wouldn't be surprised if he got grounded or something similar.

rofl x 2

Hello all

Nothing more to say then this?

If one of the SEs is going to IC temporarily then it should be Dwlee, he's most experienced.

[SirCakez]

PLEASE DONT PROD ME!

Sorry, I'm really tired right now as I've just got back from a shooting competition (and no I didn't win any medals).

Hi, I'm Tom and I'm the IC (Inexperience Challenger) for this game.
My job is to make sure that you learn how to play the game and the dynamics of the game mafia (hopefully without sounding too much like a smart-arse).
I am usually active around 3-4pm GMT and available to answer most questions you have.

Once, again I apologise for having been away for 2 days (ish).

This feels kind of icky, not sure why.

How do we find out who is sdum?

I think this is blatantly newbtown.

VOTE: Tojam
for now

[SirCakez]

We find scum by scumhunting! Questioning each other, analyzing posts, etc. Look for behaviors that you think mafia would do. For example, someone who is constantly posting small posts that add no real contribution, or someone who is avoiding looking for scum.

[SirCakez]

Disagree with what?

[SirCakez]

Oh that, I thought you meant my vote on Tojam.
Why do you disagree?

[SirCakez]

Short posts are fine, I do them a lot.
It's if the posts aren't adding anything (a.k.a fluff) that I'd get suspicious.

[SirCakez]

I get it... so basically we just try to see who is acting like us and that's how we'll know who is town and people who answer questions or act different are most likely scum.

Now with this in mind, who do you think is scum?

That almost sounds like a

scum PM

you accidentally put in the forum.

Here's the townslip (bolded).

He thinks scum communicates between themselves through private messages (PM). If he were scum, he would notice scum actually uses private topics and most likely wouldn't say "scum PM"

This is a nice catch by Creature.

I think this is definitely Creature's town game. I modded a Newbie game where he was scum and he was much less active and engaged then this.
Also think crazycrab is town from that townslip.

[SirCakez]

atm do you have any reads?
The case for Tojam is that he's lurking as IC and his posts look very awkward.

[SirCakez]

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Thanks for calling L-1, it helps us a lot, shame that one of you is probably going to lynch me now, then immediately think Creature is scum for pushing my wagon so hard, which could be correct, though it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out.

Please do not use the word 'vibe', it means nothing in terms of the game and often leads to town lynches. If you do know for sure that a person is scum (or the whole partnership) say it out loud, especially if its LYLO (essentially you have to lynch and if you lynch wrong it's game over) or MYLO (lynch town and it's game over).

Fortunately I'm a Vanilla Townie (VT) so there's still 1 or 2 power roles left in town, if you are a PR, check Creature, but don't say if you are a PR now.

This is really gross. No attempts at scumhunting, just "lol discredit and run away".

tojam2 is pretty scum, but I find it too early to lynch.

I am most likely leaning on LQ as tojam2's scumbuddy, but I don't want this game to be so easy.

DotW and atm487 are worth taking a look at imo.

Second line made me chuckle
For what it's worth I agree with you on basically everything here.

Still catching up, have a lot to go

[SirCakez]

idk, maybe we can just lynch tojam2, LQ and DotW in that order.

I doubt anyone else is scum.

That is just not smart at all. Why are you lining up lynches? Why that order? Why are you so confident in your reads on like day 4?

Look at this nasty shadecasting.

Right now I still say tojam and creature are the scummiest. And does anyone else have a scummy read on me? Because creature has been quietly pushing to make me seem like scum but I haven't seen anyone else suggest that or agree with it

Tom+creature team?

@both of you
Do you think they're bussing so early?

Hello SirCakez, how's the day going?

Good!

[SirCakez]

SirCakez uses lurking!

-5 Town HP!

ftr I don't check in Newbie games very often. The one time I always check in is in the mornings, like right now!

Also, I am seeing SirCakez lurking, does it mean SirCakez is on his scum game?

My scum game is usually more active then my town game actually.

you may just be one of those players who has an uncanny ability to read people based off tone.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65521
I am in a hydra with titus (Night Hunters)
Pretty much all of my reads were accurate that game iirc mostly based on tone reading.

I can confirm this.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: atm487

why did you vote tojam

What's the point of this question?

yea i understand, but give me some slack its my first game

WTF, cause im inactive that means im scum, sure, also Dwlee, your saying im scum. You need proof, sure ive been inactive but thats far from proof

i swear, why did i get my first game with the most harsh people on earth

I think atm is definitely newb town here.

[SirCakez]

Town - Creature, crazycrabman
Nulltown - Dwlee, atm487
Null - Dragon of the West, eagersnake (having trouble sorting these two)
Scumlean - LQ
Scum - Tojam

AMA!

[SirCakez]

Hmm ok
And what's your read on atm now?

[SirCakez]

Ok good
Dwlee - why are you scumreading atm? Explain why and then realize why you're wrong please.

[SirCakez]

My Dwlee read is shakable depending on Tojam's flip. He could be scum if Tojam townflips.

[SirCakez]

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

[SirCakez]

Wow I didn't realize until just now there's only 4 newbies in this game lol
For some reason I thought there were more

[SirCakez]

crazycrabman has been obvtown the whole game, didn't need help there
I'm waiting for Tojam's flip before I put Dwlee as lock-town

[SirCakez]

Yeah I could put him up there but I'm not as sure on him as I am on CCM and you

[SirCakez]

So if tojam turns scum then his partner should be either LQ or DotW.
If tojam flips town then scum will still be either LQ or DotW, with the addition of Creature or Dwlee9.

Sound about right? Or could Dwlee9 possibly be scum with tojam?

This is where I'm at mostly, yeah. I think Creature is town regardless of the Tojam flip though.

[SirCakez]

Eagersnake is a nulltown read now.

[SirCakez]

I was less engaged in 1696 then here IMO
There were more weird questions because I was barely paying attention to that game due to school lol

[SirCakez]

Do you actually think it's scum frustration though?

[SirCakez]

Then why is he a scum lean for you?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

Those are fair points
I think LQ is a more likely buddy

[SirCakez]

Who was saying we Lynch tojam and the next day Lynch creature? It keeps coming to my mind and just oozes scum

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

I'd like you to quote this please cuz I'm pretty sure this never happened.

Looks like this was my bad.

Reads:

Town:
eagerSnake
crazycrabman

Town Lean:
Dwlee
atm487
Dragon of the West

Null:
tojam

Scum lean:
SirCakez

Scum:
Creature

But I can't see how any town right now could possibly have this view of the gamestate.

[SirCakez]

Checking in.
I see no new content from Tojam still lol
LQ continues to be scummy

Not much changing for me reads wise. Need the Tojam flip to progress.

[SirCakez]

Final words?

[SirCakez]

Because I usually only check Newbie games in the morning
I said this yesterday

[SirCakez]

I know
I just don't prioritize checking Newbie games over bigger ones, if that makes sense

Doctor checking for kills makes no sense...

[SirCakez]

Yeah I know I should concentrate on them more

[SirCakez]

I think your associations with Tojam and push on Creature made you look scummy, LQ.
Why don't Tojam and I win Zaicon ;-;

Anyway gg everyone! Good job town pulling it together day 2.

[SirCakez]

Gone along with the Tojam lynch is what I would have done. Fighting it was pointless IMO, he basically mislynched himself and you didn't mop up any towncred from it.

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah
Tojam you need to put a LOT more effort into ICing. The fact the SEs had to basically take over your position is really not good.