Newbie 1715 (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

Hi cakez!
I mean. you voted town, only scum vote town and therefore you are scum
VOTE: Sircakez
Caught

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: atm487

I really want to lynch atm487 atm

*cough* you are trying to lynch someone who is not playing this game.

Player List:

1) atm487

?

[Dwlee99]

I voted Dwlee because he's good at fooling me as scum.

Have I even been scum in a game with you?

[Dwlee99]

makesnosense, Harlii, gigabyteTroubadour, Dwlee99, and LicketyQuickety to replace atm487, crazycrabman, eagerSnake, Kathryn, and Zyradow_ respectively

I don't have a completed game as scum with sircakez, so idek. I even checked.

[Dwlee99]

Well they could have seen my scum game elsewhere on the site or be talking about an ongoing game. Or just not be remembering correctly.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Creature
Yea that reason for a vote was terrible.

[Dwlee99]

There is no scum motivation to lie in that situation. You have to think about why someone did something rather than "They lied so they are scum" (Which they probably didnt anyway).

[Dwlee99]

It really doesnt matter.

[Dwlee99]

Cakey are you scum?

[Dwlee99]

Cakez feels kinda different.

tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.

I agree with this assessment.

[Dwlee99]

I agree with this assessment.

That seems kinda funny for Dwlee to agree with Creature that quickly without much info. Still keeping my no-vote until more information comes out.

I was being (half) serious. Normally ICs will post their wall very early and start playing, while tojam hasn't even posted yet.

ok, thats funny, VOTE: Dwlee

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[Dwlee99]

Checking his profile and seeing his age I wouldn't be surprised if he got grounded or something similar.

[Dwlee99]

I played with him in College Mafia.

[Dwlee99]

Im tempted to copy pasta an IC's wall from another game.

[Dwlee99]

I was at the beach all day and had no data for internet access. Tojam's first post was super awful I feel like voting there. I noticed the town slip that is pretty cool. I like creature's posting and it seems like my town game although the selfmeta was concerning.
VOTE: Tojam

[Dwlee99]

I mean yea we arent ending day yet lol

[Dwlee99]

Real life? o.O

[Dwlee99]

how sure are you that eagersnake is town, creature?

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough.

[Dwlee99]

I disagree on being townier than DotW

[Dwlee99]

Hey
Ive been here (except for the beach yesterday)

[Dwlee99]

What is that post.

[Dwlee99]

put back your vote, creature. tojam's attempt to discredit reads based on tone is icky.

[Dwlee99]

Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip.
VOTE: tojam L-1

Thanks for calling L-1, it helps us a lot, shame that one of you is probably going to lynch me now, then immediately think Creature is scum for pushing my wagon so hard, which could be correct, though it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out.

Please do not use the word 'vibe', it means nothing in terms of the game and often leads to town lynches. If you do know for sure that a person is scum (or the whole partnership) say it out loud, especially if its LYLO (essentially you have to lynch and if you lynch wrong it's game over) or MYLO (lynch town and it's game over).

Fortunately I'm a Vanilla Townie (VT) so there's still 1 or 2 power roles left in town, if you are a PR, check Creature, but don't say if you are a PR now.

This entire post is bad.
I was able to correctly read tojam as town in college mafia but this game he is giving me the exact opposite feelings than I got from his town game.
Im really disliking eagersnake's whole "If you cant answer these questions dont lynch them!" If someone is scum theyre scum and we lynch them. We can pull associatives from things like wagon formation and the likes.
pedit I think this is creature's town game.

[Dwlee99]

tojam2 is pretty scum, but I find it too early to lynch.

I am most likely leaning on LQ as tojam2's scumbuddy, but I don't want this game to be so easy.

DotW and atm487 are worth taking a look at imo.

I dont get why people think there are things like too early to lynch. You hit scum and can use the next day using the flip for information. Waiting to lynch often means that a lynch pegged on scum will fizzle out and people get cold feet.
DotW strikes me as town. Eagersnake is my guess at the second scum.

put back your vote, creature. tojam's attempt to discredit reads based on tone is icky.

The L-1 response was pretty much what I wanted to get and it didn't convince me tojam was town. If tojam turns mafia I'd be inclined to jump onto creature's wagon next

I agree. The L-1 post was really bad. I went back and looked over college mafia and am feeling even stronger about this not being tojam's town game.

[Dwlee99]

Being able to read how genuine someone's posting is makes tojam feel like such obvious scum. All of their posts seem forced.

[Dwlee99]

Being able to read how genuine someone's posting is makes tojam feel like such obvious scum. All of their posts seem forced.

"their"

I apologize for using gender neutral pronouns?
???

[Dwlee99]

Oh pfftt LQ. Youve never been confident in your reads beford?

[Dwlee99]

What about it is faked?

[Dwlee99]

Atm and Eagersnake get avatars please

[Dwlee99]

Im going to wait for dragon's response

[Dwlee99]

Yea that is the response I was thinking of, @creature.
Btw if you highlight text and then press quote it only quotes that.

[Dwlee99]

So we saying our IC is so bad at being scum that we know he's scum off of just 1-2 posts?

Since he's an IC, shouldn't he know how to make himself look townie and it shouldn't be so easy to find him as scum?

This seems too easy and too quick to be 100% sure that he is scum....


If we lynch him we have a couple things that could happen:
He shows up confirmed scum. Then: Who is his partner?
He shows up confirmed town. Then: Who is the scum?

Are you able to answer all these questions? If not, you may not be ready to lynch anyone yet.

Tom+creature team?

[Dwlee99]

can we go through with the tojam lynch?

[Dwlee99]

If we lynch tojam today we don't need to worry about lynching him before mylo/lylo (I'm not letting him live to then) or waste an investigation on a player who won't contribute much. Combined with the fact that this is almost certainly not tojam's town game it's a good lynch.
pedit zaicon is the mod..

[Dwlee99]

If we lynch tojam today we don't need to worry about lynching him before mylo/lylo (I'm not letting him live to then) or waste an investigation on a player who won't contribute much. Combined with the fact that this is almost certainly not tojam's town game it's a good lynch.
pedit zaicon is the mod..

This raises some red flags tbh. I don't think for a second ending day this early is a good idea.

I mean yea but I foresee stalling and eventually a group of people getting cold feet about lynching tojam and then being forced to compromise wagon someone who is town.

[Dwlee99]

we're waiting for sircakez and a few others to do something useful and then we're lynching tojam.

[Dwlee99]

307, that's how many posts tojam has. Tojam is still

a goon

as far as his title goes.

[Dwlee99]

307, that's how many posts tojam has. Tojam is still

a goon

as far as his title goes.

Yeah, and I am technically mafia scum, but I have spammed like a maniac in some games. Different levels of activity for players. Don't know what your point is. In fact, I'm going to count how many games I have on this site. I doubt its more than 10. I'm also going to try and figure out how many games tojam has played.

I was responding to you being shocked if he was newbscum.

[Dwlee99]

I was saying he isn't that experienced lol

[Dwlee99]

it isn't his activity level. It is the tone of his posts. I've played with him before in college mafia and his posts there were so much different.

[Dwlee99]

it isn't his activity level. It is the tone of his posts. I've played with him before in college mafia and his posts there were so much different.

Why do you think tone is a valid argument based on a single game of experience with this player? You are basically saying the same thing as Cakes (and everyone else at this point).

I mean tbh I often don't even need to have played a game with a person to read them off of tone, it just helps.
But tojam's posts here sound super forced and faked, it is kind of hard to explain but just the way he is posting isn't genuine. When I combine that with the fact that in the game I played with him where he was town he DID sound genuine, he is scum.

[Dwlee99]

you may just be one of those players who has an uncanny ability to read people based off tone.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65521
I am in a hydra with titus (Night Hunters)
Pretty much all of my reads were accurate that game iirc mostly based on tone reading.

[Dwlee99]

Thor gives me bad vibes. :I

-Dad

Idk what it is but the tone of your posts seems kinda off.

-Dad

fire is town though
-dad

Read his ISO. If that isnt town tone idk what is.

just a few examples, sircakez can confirm as well since he was in the game.

[Dwlee99]

1553 I was actually wrong. I fixed it tho a little later during lylo.

[Dwlee99]

you may just be one of those players who has an uncanny ability to read people based off tone.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65521
I am in a hydra with titus (Night Hunters)
Pretty much all of my reads were accurate that game iirc mostly based on tone reading.

Fair enough. I know who Titus is and have been in a hydra with her myself. She is on point a lot of the time. The fact that she has done a hydra with you doesn't mean much, honestly. She was in a hydra with me after she tore my scum game to pieces so her reasons for doing a hydra with people is not just because she respects your play.

I'm not going to read that game btw, I have enough shit going on.

P-Edit a bunch.

I was just telling you what account I was posting on >_>

[Dwlee99]

jeez, sorry for being inactive, i cant vote at all it wont let me

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[Dwlee99]

If tojam isnt scum I will eat a hat.

[Dwlee99]

What about a Dwlee9 and LQ scumteam? Why is that not possible?

Cause I'm town duhhh

But it is halftime of day 1 at this point. 7 irl days down, 7 to go until deadline. we need to start narrowing and gearing towards a lynch in the next few days. tojam, atm, and sircakez need to contribute more this day is half-way over.

ok just type in chat exactly how to vote, cause what you gave me is code. Sorry im very new and its my bad

Copy and paste the code and then replace the "*playername*" with the username of who you want to vote for.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: *Tojam*

[Dwlee99]

Saying you're town means nothing you're not confirmed

cool

[Dwlee99]

The more Dwlee posts, the more scummy he appears to me. I haven't since him look for scum as much as he's tried to push a vote through.

*cough*

[Dwlee99]

wait that's eagersnake's first vote all game. what

[Dwlee99]

eagersnake are you trying to coach your scum partner?

[Dwlee99]

the way eagersnake's post is worded makes me think he is trying to coach you

[Dwlee99]

I'm not watering down my play just because there are new players. Why would I do that?

[Dwlee99]

Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Dragon of the West, LicketyQuicikety}
Null {Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Atm, Eagersnake}
Scum {Tojam}

[Dwlee99]

Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Dragon of the West, LicketyQuicikety}
Null {Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Atm, Eagersnake}
Scum {Tojam}

so im inactive and i get scum lean, great

You freaked out on some suspicion thrown at you and eagersnake seemed to be coaching you which gives you scum points as well.
pedit lol

[Dwlee99]

you have one vote on you, chillax. Get a glass of water or something.

[Dwlee99]

Liquitey isn't on the list m9

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your logic on me being scum for coaching atm487 makes no sense if you truly believe that because that would mean you think that's the scum team. If that's true then why are you voting for tojam?

I'm not really thinking that you were coaching him but it is something to keep in mind if tojam somehow flips town.

[Dwlee99]

L-1

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee... why are you voting for tojam?

Good question. iirc they wanted creature to put their vote back on tojam. I don't see why Dwlee doesn't do this. I can only guess that they don't want to put tojam that close to lynch yet, but that doesn't really line up because iirc they wanted tojam lynched a while ago and basically said there was no reason to wait.

You're either misinterpreting something or you need to rephrase your post cause this makes no sense.

[Dwlee99]

I'm leaving my vote.

[Dwlee99]

my vote is on tojam

[Dwlee99]

Eagersnake why are you so afraid of just putting out a stinkin' vote?

[Dwlee99]

As a pseudo IC I would like to inform you that, in fact, putting one vote on someone is not rushing day. Nor is attempting to lynch scum. Youre not going to get anything done if all you do is FoS someone randomly and refuse to vote because you have a phobia of, god forbid, ending day before the deadline is reached.

[Dwlee99]

Ok good
Dwlee - why are you scumreading atm? Explain why and then realize why you're wrong please.

I never said but their frustration seemed legit and I wasnt really scum reading them as hard because of it. The problem I have is scum can be frustrated too. In my first newbie game I got lynched and I was genuinely frustrated even though I was scum.

[Dwlee99]

If you want me out I wil self-hammer, but voting IC Day 1 isn't a good plan.

L m a o

[Dwlee99]

Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Sircakez, Eagersnake}
Null {Dragon of the West}
Scum Lean {Atm, LicketyQuickety}
Scum {Tojam}

[Dwlee99]

Do you actually think it's scum frustration though?

Im not sure.

[Dwlee99]

It is a really weak scum lean, but their freak out over some suspicion being thrown at them was odd.

[Dwlee99]

10/10

[Dwlee99]

L-2 iirc

[Dwlee99]

Interesting. Why the town lean on DotW?

you never asked me D:

[Dwlee99]

it astonishes me that 5 days into the game 5 people don't have votes placed.

[Dwlee99]

okay fine, four people.

[Dwlee99]

At the bottom of the page you can click display posts by user to bring up that users iso (you can even iso multiple people together)
Nothing really to add, I guess we can wait for tojam's reads list.

[Dwlee99]

np

[Dwlee99]

we can give a little more time but in reality tojam should be hammered by tonight.

[Dwlee99]

I can do it if you want.

[Dwlee99]

looking over some stuff the wall doesn't seem super important? It just seems to be an introduction like "Hey this is mafia and I'm your IC ask me questions" sorta deal

[Dwlee99]

you agree tojam should be hammered or are you talking about something else?

[Dwlee99]

Even if he doesn't come online we're hammering tonight.

[Dwlee99]

I saw a few by Drixx (Who I respect) and he only posted a short introduction to the game, not as detailed as accountant's.
pedit I mean we can consider who tojam's partner is.

[Dwlee99]

Regardless of associatives LQ is definitely next on my scum list.

[Dwlee99]

Regardless of associatives LQ is definitely next on my scum list.

OK, but why?

youre scummy m9

[Dwlee99]

Eh possibly. They are now a town lean for me and I kinda feel like the game is pretty much solved. Im gonna post an updated reads list

[Dwlee99]

Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Sircakez, Eagersnake, atm, Dragon}
Null {} Maybe sircakez here?
Scum Lea {LicketyQuickety}
Scum {Tojam}

[Dwlee99]

Im EST time.
I will probably end up meta diving you, lickety.
I coughed because dotw's statement was inaccurate. Coincidentally I have been coughing a lot irl.
pedit Cant tell if youre being serious

[Dwlee99]

It is my typing style. I do things like *shrug* a lot especially

[Dwlee99]

He threw shade at creature.

[Dwlee99]

Once tojam is hammered we must wait for the mod to come and lock the thread. btw I think that was hammer?

[Dwlee99]

that was the hammer, yo

[Dwlee99]

if youre scum dont bother if youre actually town post final thoughts

[Dwlee99]

it was a hammer

[Dwlee99]

I went back and read through the pages to check

[Dwlee99]

Are we seriously doing this with a week left until EOD.

you should know better than this sentencd

[Dwlee99]

cakez why are you just showing up now
pedit this is twilight trolling as I refuse to believe tojam not only changed his tone, but his playstyle, content creation etc etc as town,
pedit2 Hammering with a week until deadline isnt exactly bad when the flip propels the game.

[Dwlee99]

Because I usually only check Newbie games in the morning
I said this yesterday

click the view your posts button at the top of the page and you can get all your games

[Dwlee99]

I still think tojam is going to flip scum. In one of my most recently completed games the day one and day two lynched claimed town when hammered.

[Dwlee99]

atm, you can't unvote past a hammer. Once a player gets more than half the alive players votes the person is hammered and regardless of votes and unvotes will be the day's lynch.

[Dwlee99]

Well you've hammered me and it's twilight, so you can't change your vote now, so why would I claim VT and then flip scum?

Because it stifles town's communication to figure out your partner during twilight.

[Dwlee99]

No! Why do you rush that vote!

Kappy I you thought I was town you would never hammer this early.

My suspicions are
Furebringer/Not_mafia/kappy/kTS/Almost50/dramonic

Great job quick hammering town d1 guys. Love y'all.

You better lynch KTS firebringer or kappy tomorrow.

^ flipped scum

[Dwlee99]

NKA is all wifom, stop wasting time talking about it lol

[Dwlee99]

idk dude >_>

[Dwlee99]

Night kill analysis, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote yet. I'm just playing some league and will look over some things and decide who to vote tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee9 had good motive to kill Sircakez also

how so?

[Dwlee99]

You can't blindly follow the vets. For all we know, dwlee is scum.

Or just straight up wrong >_>

[Dwlee99]

I think I've become addicted to the ">_>" face. I have used it so many times today

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee9 had good motive to kill Sircakez also

how so?

iirc he had a townlean read on you and you could use the kill to cast suspicion on someone else

and then come straight into day and say that speculating over why cakez was killed is pointless? really?

[Dwlee99]

Why would dwlee9 want to dismiss information that helps town and could lead to the discovery of a mafia member?

A NK analysis is just as useful to town as lynch analysis.

Why would any townsperson want to dismiss ANY information, especially a NK?

With the limited info that townspeople have, Town-aligned people would not want to dismiss any information.

VOTE: Dwlee9

Night kill analysis is very difficult (especially with only one flip). It is impossible to infer the intentions of scum when they kill someone. They could be killing someone because the person scum read them. They could be killing someone because the person town read them. Hell they could be killing someone because they thought they were softing a power role. Therefore night kill analysis is simply WIFOM most of the time and really not worth getting into as it leads people astray.

[Dwlee99]

Why would dwlee9 want to dismiss information that helps town and could lead to the discovery of a mafia member?

A NK analysis is just as useful to town as lynch analysis.

Why would any townsperson want to dismiss ANY information, especially a NK?

With the limited info that townspeople have, Town-aligned people would not want to dismiss any information.

VOTE: Dwlee9

Night kill analysis is very difficult (especially with only one flip). It is impossible to infer the intentions of scum when they kill someone. They could be killing someone because the person scum read them. They could be killing someone because the person town read them. Hell they could be killing someone because they thought they were softing a power role. Therefore night kill analysis is simply WIFOM most of the time and really not worth getting into as it leads people astray.

That doesn't mean we should throw away the evidence. Only scum would want to do that.

Or town who doesn't want us to waste our time looking over evidence that means absolutely nothing? If I suggested that we look at how many characters each player posted in each one of their posts and the person with the most posts that was evenly divisible by 3 should be lynched, would you say to people who disagreed with that "You're throwing away evidence"? While it is an extreme example it is very similar in the way that you can't really gain any useful information this early in the game from NKA or how many characters each player posted in their posts.

[Dwlee99]

Btw my name is Dwlee99 if you didn't realize. lol

[Dwlee99]

I was actually trying to restrain the urge to just respond with "lol" and actually post ic-like information about nka and its shortcomings.
On your point against me for acting cavalier (hey I learned a new word!), you would probably say I was scum if I had a reaction as well, so I don't see that as a valid argument. To rephrase, if I was defensive you would say I was scum for it, but at the same time you are pushing me for doing the opposite. Not logical.

[Dwlee99]

How people react to pressure isn't alignment indicative when you see it from just the perspective of defensive / cavalier.
Okay I wanted to lynch my top scum read who was being scummy deadweight after I saw a distinct difference in his play between college mafia and this game? A lot of people played a part in tojam's lynch, it's about who's push was fake and who's push was them actually scum reading tojam that matters. I have already explained why waiting to lynch there did not make any sense, we decided upon a person we were near certain was scum, who claimed vt, and was being useless. Waiting to hammer just stalls the game. No the scum hunting did not stop, you're wrong.

[Dwlee99]

By piggybacking you mean

exactly

what you are doing right now? Although yours falls more on the side of bandwagoning but meh.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety
I think that lickety is far more likely to actually know that NKA is a bunch of wifom. (Eagersnake is new)

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

By piggybacking you mean

exactly

what you are doing right now? Although yours falls more on the side of bandwagoning but meh.

I am pretty sure I am NOT doing that because I am giving legitimate reasons for my Scum read on you. As far as I can tell I am really the only one putting pressure on you and I think you are feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.

For some reason I thought you were agreeing with eagersnake about the NKA stuff but I saw 675, nevermind.
About feeling "hot under the collar" isnt me being cavalier one of the reasons you scum read me? How can it be both?

[Dwlee99]

Hey I was just about to post about that. So I think scum thought that sircakez was low activity (he is actually normally active) because he was trying to lay low as a power role.

[Dwlee99]

The question it makes me wonder is if that means that anyone could have commited the kill or if it means that people who know sircakez and have played with him are more likely to kill.him.

[Dwlee99]

So since it is kind of leading towards this, I laid out a blanket no NKA mostly because in most cases it is difficult to determine why someone was killed. If, however, you can pinpoint a specific reason that has a very likely chance of being the case you can analyze that. Saying "He was scum read by who the night kill was" doesnt meet that criteria.

[Dwlee99]

With this case I dont think we can determine who is more likely to kill sircakez unless I was somehow able to see everyone who has played with sircakez when he was town and active.
pedit yea true

[Dwlee99]

NKA's just as vital as lynch analysis

Yes,

tread carefully; nightkill analysis is a wifom minefield. I

t's easy to get lost, since usually,

there's no single reason a player dies

; generally, it's multiple factors combined. So it's

impossible to be certain.

...But it's not something to be flat-out ignored.

If you can figure out the reasons why that player died

(common ones being: obvtown, reads dangerously close, is a rational player capable of changing their reads, and might be a PR), then you can better figure out who killed them. Who had the most to gain from their death, and why? Who is more likely to kill them? What does the kill accomplish? Was it random or planned? Things like that.
Again,

Don't put too much stock in it

You don't want to ignore NKA, but

you don't want to put much faith in it.

Let it contribute to a read, not be the entire basis of a read.

Btw do not blindly follow the wiki. They can be wrong. In my most recently (or second most recently?) completed game I used the wiki to believe that 2 - 1 - 1 prisoner dilemma was an automatic town win but then afterwords had someone come in and say "Hey that wiki article is wrong I juat fixed it."

[Dwlee99]

(That is to say, sorry for anyone who was relying on the Dilemma page for strategy advice; I see that it got linked at one point. Luckily in the end, I don't think it mattered.)

One thing I noticed when reviewing this setup is that 2:1:1 is actually a three-faction draw, rather than the typically acknowledged town win. I had to wait for the game to be over to update the page, but it's been done now.

[Dwlee99]

oops wrong order for the quotes, oh well you can figure it out.

[Dwlee99]

True. Let's not make the NK our sole, or main, reason for a lynch. But we shouldn't ignore it or dismiss it, either. It is difficult, or even impossible at this point to determine the exact reason for this kill, but as town we should still look into

all

of the evidence.

If it is impossible to get anything from the kill we shouldnt use it as evidence..

[Dwlee99]

I dont think you understand that unless you can determine the exact reason someone was killed nka is almost useless. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I promise you I would not lie to newbies about game theory in order to gain an advantage.

[Dwlee99]

The way people interact can hint towards it, it is hard to explain.

[Dwlee99]

There are also some TvTs where they botj death tunnel each other into oblivion

[Dwlee99]

so who fits those descriptors?

[Dwlee99]

Dang I was hoping to catch you on making some bs TvS argument

[Dwlee99]

I was planning on voting LQ anyway, thanks for the help, Crazy. Crazy has been obvtown since the beginning and has no reason to fake claim cop on day 2 of all days. Not to mention Lq'a scummy play.

Intent to L-1 Lickety

[Dwlee99]

BTW my intent to L-1 is probably days away as once we sort this we could discuss LQ partners.

[Dwlee99]

I looked over sircakez iso and saw valid reasons for LQ scum. There was some other stuff as well I don't 100% recall, either way crazy has been obvtown and has no reason to fake claim cop there.

[Dwlee99]

Oh those series of posts weren't from today. -facepalm-

[Dwlee99]

well there are a lot of posts, ill look them over later, heres my list
Town {Dragon of the West}
Town Lean {Dwlee, Crab}
Null {Creature, eagerSnake, Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Tojam}
Scum {None}
Keep in mind these are just VIBES not anything else

Liquitey isn't on the list m9

Lq + Atm anyone?

[Dwlee99]

Okay I just refreshed my mind about my reads in 392 - 492, it was a combination of cakey's reasoning, poe and some stuff pinging me (like their throwing of shade every oppurtunity they got).
Pedit what do you mean? do you mean who receives the roles?

[Dwlee99]

well there are a lot of posts, ill look them over later, heres my list
Town {Dragon of the West}
Town Lean {Dwlee, Crab}
Null {Creature, eagerSnake, Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Tojam}
Scum {None}
Keep in mind these are just VIBES not anything else

Liquitey isn't on the list m9

Lq + Atm anyone?

If anything I would think LQ would be on the list if they were partners.

Not really. In my experience scum leave scum out.
Pedit The roles are randomly assigned to players using a random number generator, the mod doesn't try to balance the teams based on skill level

[Dwlee99]

Dude it is atm

[Dwlee99]

I town read everyone except for lq and atm, there is even disinclusion of lq in atm's readlist
Pedit gnight lol

[Dwlee99]

^ town

[Dwlee99]

His case was bad because he would have to come up with reasons to get you lynched if he didn't want to come out as cop. His play makes a ton of sense imo.

[Dwlee99]

Final Vote Count - Day 1

tojam2

(5):

SirCakez

,

Dwlee99

,

crazycrabman

,

Dragon of the West

,

atm487

Creature

(1):

LicketyQuickety

No Vote (3):

Creature

,

eagerSnake

,

tojam2

tojam2,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched!

It is now Night 1. The deadline is Saturday, June 18, at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-06-18 16:00:00).

Look at how perfect this vote count looks

[Dwlee99]

Okayyy? 24 hours is how much patience I would have if not less.

[Dwlee99]

Not to mention your cop posturing really bothered me

[Dwlee99]

Uhh you're welcome?

[Dwlee99]

If you flip town I will never play a newbie again unless it is to play with a specific person, happy? (Little did they know that is the way I do it anyway)

[Dwlee99]

Still not sure why you're reaching out to me and saying things like "this is going to be unbelievable when I flip town" when I am your biggest scum read? (Not counting crazy obvi)

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is a little too cavalier for my liking. I think NKA CAN be done, but prolly no one in this game can do it properly, I know I sure as hell can't.

Dwlee hasn't seen any pressure really this whole game, which is why I think they are acting cavalier. He is just kinda going with the flow a little too much for my taste.

VOTE: Dwlee

I was actually trying to restrain the urge to just respond with "lol" and actually post ic-like information about nka and its shortcomings.
On your point against me for acting cavalier (hey I learned a new word!), you would probably say I was scum if I had a reaction as well, so I don't see that as a valid argument. To rephrase, if I was defensive you would say I was scum for it, but at the same time you are pushing me for doing the opposite. Not logical.

I don't think defensiveness is always a Scum thing to do. You are assuming what my stance is on defensiveness which you are wrong about. You played a hand in tojams lynch and especially how early the lynch came. We had little reason to end day that early looking back on it in hindsight, which I tried to get across at the time. People didn't listen to me (not a rare occurrence actually), but I was actually right that ending day that early was the wrong play. Pretty much all Scum hunting stopped once it was decided that we were going to end day a week short.

How people react to pressure isn't alignment indicative when you see it from just the perspective of defensive / cavalier.
Okay I wanted to lynch my top scum read who was being scummy deadweight after I saw a distinct difference in his play between college mafia and this game? A lot of people played a part in tojam's lynch, it's about who's push was fake and who's push was them actually scum reading tojam that matters. I have already explained why waiting to lynch there did not make any sense, we decided upon a person we were near certain was scum, who claimed vt, and was being useless. Waiting to hammer just stalls the game. No the scum hunting did not stop, you're wrong.

I can go back a quote it if you want, but you were the strongest person for ending day that early. If Scum hunting was still happening, then there is no reason to end day early. Consider that tojam flipped Town, that says that there was almost certainly Scum on his lynch. I have a high suspicion of you because you have not backed up your reads with much evidence and, lets face it, you kinda piggybacked on the tojam lynch after Cakez made the initial pressure on them.

By piggybacking you mean

exactly

what you are doing right now? Although yours falls more on the side of bandwagoning but meh.

I am pretty sure I am NOT doing that because I am giving legitimate reasons for my Scum read on you. As far as I can tell I am really the only one putting pressure on you and I think you are feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.

Reads List:

Town:
crazycrabman
Creature

Town Lean:
eagerSnakes

Null:
atm487
DotW

Scum Lean:
Dwlee

I am convinced Dwlee is not scum. He is not acting in the way a scum would act. Scum wouldn't push so hard on another person, in this instance tojam.

I believe dwlee honestly believed tojam was scum.

Virtually everyone did except for LQ, who would know who is town and who's not.

I'm not convinced Dwlee is not Scum. You need to say how Scum!Dwlee would act differently, not just say you don't think they are not acting like Scum. And stop saying "Scum wouldn't do X". There are very few absolutes in this game.

I don't agree that because I had an inactive IC as Null means I knew they were Town. There were almost certainly Scum on tojams wagon. A wagon like that doesn't get formed without Scum influencing it.

In bold: you can believe that, but you will have to back that up.

His case was bad because he would have to come up with reasons to get you lynched if he didn't want to come out as cop. His play makes a ton of sense imo.

No it doesn't he came out as Cop withing 24 hours of Day 2.

Not to mention your cop posturing really bothered me

Thanks for that.

Uhh you're welcome?

This is going to be unbelievable after I flip. You don't see that do you?

This makes no sense
Pedit that was a reach out to me lq lmao

[Dwlee99]

You guys are not thinking. There is no reason for Town!crazy to come out as Cop here. Look at the time he did this. He didn't do it strait off the bat and did it shortly after he made his case on me, which was debunked by Dwlee.

There is plenty of reason. If it becomes a 3 v 1 with us pointed in a good direction of a scum partner then that's a win. Can you please quote the "debunking" Dwlee did on his case. I just reread his case and couldn't find anything of Dwlee's debunking it. Although I do acknowledge scum!ccm would gain a 3 v 2 -> a lynch of ccm and NK -> 2 v 1 LYLO. It wouldn't make sense for ccm to be the partner to do this, though. He's being town read more than anyone else is the game so why make him the scum to fake a claim? If his partner had claimed and got you lynched, they could get to a LYLO where both town left are town reading ccm leading to an easy hammer and win.

Iirc my "debunking" was saying NKA is stupid lol

[Dwlee99]

Hey, gg guys. It was a fun game.

Looking for advice on my game here. I know crazy said I had good scum game, but I was still suspected by a lot of people. This game could have gone much better if I used Occam's Razer as the NK choice and killed the confirmed Town. Biggest mistake of the game for me IMO.

Almost every single post you made was geared towards throwing shade and doubtcasting people. You left yourself open to too many lynched by consrantly throwing shade which made it clear you were scum attempting to leave yourself open for lynches.

[Dwlee99]

Also @Tojam: Self-hammering as a town IC is specifically not allowed in the guide to ic, yet you offered to self-hammer.