Newbie 1715 (Game Over)

[crazycrabman]

Hello, sorry I'm late, I had things to do. I'll keep my no-vote until I have some more information to deal with.

[crazycrabman]

I agree with this assessment.

That seems kinda funny for Dwlee to agree with Creature that quickly without much info. Still keeping my no-vote until more information comes out.

[crazycrabman]

You'd be surprised.

[crazycrabman]

I was being (half) serious. Normally ICs will post their wall very early and start playing, while tojam hasn't even posted yet.

I agree, that is pretty odd.

[crazycrabman]

VOTE: atm487

[crazycrabman]

Ok, let's explain my atm vote. I was trying to get a reaction from atm to push him to one of the sides. While I had previously stated that I needed more information, I felt as if the out-of-the-blue vote could provoke a defensive response from atm. So since my intentions are out in the open and my vote has pretty much no meaning anymore, VOTE: Unvote

[crazycrabman]

crazycrabman's posts look like "i need to find a case so my vote isn't scummy"

Yes, the only reason I will ever vote in this game (unless it is to get a reaction) is when I have a strong case to back it up. But this is not scummy because at this stage of the game we can't afford to lynch a townie.

[crazycrabman]

You'll be up 'till 5am.

[crazycrabman]

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yes, they are, but its just suspicous to do it to me out of all people, i haven't done anything all game

Why not? You were the first person I saw and you were new to the chat. My eye caught your all-caps message so you were the first in my mind when I was choosing who to test.

[crazycrabman]

Disregard "[quote="In", formatting error

[crazycrabman]

I unvoted my vote so you should take it up with whoever still has you voted for.

[crazycrabman]

@crazycrabman,

Why did you unvote so fast?

Because the vote's intention was to get a reaction and when that intention was out in the open, the vote served no purpose.

[crazycrabman]

Pretty much. The wiki here has some good info about helping to determine who's scum~ http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ory:Theory

[crazycrabman]

@crazycrabman,

Why did you unvote so fast?

Because the vote's intention was to get a reaction and when that intention was out in the open, the vote served no purpose.

You could have kept the vote on and said you got a scummy reaction as an added layer. You didn't want to create too much Wifom is that why you didn't to that? What did atms reaction tell you? Obviously it looks like you are saying you think they gave a Townie reaction or you would have kept the vote on them correct?

I stated my intentions before I could get a reaction. A scum player, once seeing the intention of the vote, would act differently than if the intention was not known. That being said, a do find it a bit scummy that he kept pressing me about the vote, and even said he had three votes on him when in reality there was none.

to be fair, your right, but still, why not try someone else instead me, i have almost 3 votes on my now correct?

[crazycrabman]

I not a

[crazycrabman]

Let's help crazycrabman make a case on someone.

?
That almost sounds like a scum PM you accidentally put in the forum.

[crazycrabman]

I don't get a word you are saying. Why are you congratulating me? What was the meaning of post 123?

[crazycrabman]

I have no idea what a townslip is but I'm guessing post 123 was a reaction test and I passed it. I'm new at this as you can probably see.

[crazycrabman]

Ohhhh, I see now, sorry.

[crazycrabman]

I feel that Creature is acting a lot differently than in newbie 1703. He has over twice the posts in the same period of time. This could be part of a overarching plan so take this with a grain of salt.

[crazycrabman]

Tojam's first post was pretty bad but I feel we should let him come out and explain himself. Let's give him 12 hours. Whether he's scum or not, he is a horrible IC.

[crazycrabman]

LicketyQuickety (can I call you LQ?) is posting about half as slow as say in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1 when he was town.

[crazycrabman]

Real life? o.O

I'd expect. Just pointing out whatever comes into my mind.

[crazycrabman]

I think this is definitely Creature's town game. I modded a Newbie game where he was scum and he was much less active and engaged then this.

While you can be sure of nothing, I agree with this assessment. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66318

[crazycrabman]

My List of Predictions so Far

Town

Cakez

Spoiler:

Town vibe coming off of him. Has been consistent in his messages. 55% sure is T

Creature

Spoiler:

It has behaved different from previous games where it was scum (see my previous post). 40% sure is T

Dwlee

Spoiler:

Just a town feel. 15% sure is T

Dragon

Spoiler:

His votes were not in a manner a scum would partake in voting. 10% sure is T

eagerSnake

Spoiler:

Could be realllly new t the game and not know anything or trying to fool us into thinking that. 5% sure is T

LQ

Spoiler:

Bit of a scum vibe. Is searching for mafia though. 5% sure is M

Atm

Spoiler:

also, thank you crazy, but it really is too suspicous to just say "it was just a social experiment i was trying to get a reaction", so yea

I feel that the continued defense of himself after my reaction test was scummy. 35% sure is M

Tojam

Spoiler:

Just a scummy vibe coming off of him. It's still too early to tell though. 45% sure is M

Scum

[crazycrabman]

ok sure, judge the guy whos threatened to be lynched with "info" that he should ge lynched

I think this is your post.

If you are talking about yourself who is being "threatened to be lynched" you have absolutely no votes on you...

[crazycrabman]

@atm487

And I stated my reasons why I have you on my watch list. I'm not saying you should be lynched for the fun of it. I am putting what I saw out there and letting you defend yourself. Tell me why my info is not to be taken into consideration.

[crazycrabman]

ok sure, judge the guy whos threatened to be lynched with "info" that he should ge lynched

I think this is your post.

If you are talking about yourself who is being "threatened to be lynched" you have absolutely no votes on you...

was going to be lynched

it was my bad, sorry about that. I'm new and learning new ways and i apologize for being an asshole in the beginning

It's totally fine, we all are assholes sometimes.

[crazycrabman]

tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.

Not fan of how you and LQ are trying to doubtcast CCM's townslip, "you easily could have been buddying with LQ"

Also, your post 197 sounded like you know I am town.

Honestly I find it interesting that it was just coincidence that crazy "derp cleared" himself by using terminology that you have (loosely) used.

Or crazycrabman could've noticed me mentioning "scum PM" and thought mafia communicate between themselves through "scum PM"

I'm not ruling that out. But it would be nice to know for sure.

@crazycrabman, have you played forum mafia elsewhere where scum communicate via PM?

Good Morning!

Nope, I haven't even played forum mafia before this. I have played mafia in real life but the scum never communicate there.

[crazycrabman]

tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.

Not fan of how you and LQ are trying to doubtcast CCM's townslip, "you easily could have been buddying with LQ"

Also, your post 197 sounded like you know I am town.

Honestly I find it interesting that it was just coincidence that crazy "derp cleared" himself by using terminology that you have (loosely) used.

Or crazycrabman could've noticed me mentioning "scum PM" and thought mafia communicate between themselves through "scum PM"

I'm not ruling that out. But it would be nice to know for sure.

@crazycrabman, have you played forum mafia elsewhere where scum communicate via PM?

Good Morning!

Nope, I haven't even played forum mafia before this. I have played mafia in real life but the scum never communicate there.

Why did you assume scum communicate via PM?

Well now I assume otherwise. When I was writing the message, I saw it as there being no other alternative. They wouldn't communicate through a forum because I assumed all forums were public. As we got our roles through PM, I assumed that PM would be the means by which scum communicate.

[crazycrabman]

What is a VI?

[crazycrabman]

Well now I assume otherwise. When I was writing the message, I saw it as there being no other alternative. They wouldn't communicate through a forum because I assumed all forums were public. As we got our roles through PM, I assumed that PM would be the means by which scum communicate.

Ok I legit think you slipped now. But why do you "assume otherwise" now?

I misread your post as "why do you" instead of "why did you" and was clarifying that I believe otherwise now.

[crazycrabman]

I'm going to assume tom is tojam. Tojam was at I-1 and creature was voting for him. That's a pretty big risk for them to take, if they are scum.

[crazycrabman]

They aren't stupid enough to lynch one of their own members on day 1.

[crazycrabman]

13 hours isn't very quickly

[crazycrabman]

and Zaicon

[crazycrabman]

ooops sorry

[crazycrabman]

Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip.
VOTE: tojam L-1

-12:37 am my time

It still looks like a genuine slip.

When I said scum PM, I was referring to his role, not mafia chat.

crazycrabman confused the "scum PM" as the mafia chat, which I don't think he would if he was one.

-11:45 am

UNVOTE: tojam2

I am going to unvote for now, I dislike DotW's pop in.

-11:55 am

I guess I was off by 18 minutes. There was still plenty of time for someone to cat the hammer vote though

[crazycrabman]

nvm I can't do math. It's too early in the morning.

[crazycrabman]

11 hours 17 minutes, but really the number doesn't matter. If they left 1 minute for there to be a possible hammer vote (the last vote needed to lynch someone), they were taking a risk. Thus, I don't believe in a tojam -creature team.

[crazycrabman]

Are the forums set up by certain time zones? Or can people be any time zone?

I believe you can set your timezone in the personal settings.

[crazycrabman]

I guess I was off by 18 minutes. There was still plenty of time for someone to cat the hammer vote though

Cast not cat, sorry

[crazycrabman]

Are the forums set up by certain time zones? Or can people be any time zone?

I believe you can set your timezone in the personal settings.

Yeah it's under board settings in the user control panel.

[crazycrabman]

Is tojam at I-1?

[crazycrabman]

ahh ok. In that case, I cast my unofficial vote for tojam. I believe that there is a strong case against him and his lynching will provide some much-needed information. The reason I keep it unofficial is because I don't want someone to cast the hammer vote without warning.

[crazycrabman]

/v Tojam

Are you being serious right now? I mean I not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed and even I was able to do a correct vote my first attempt.

There's also a little button called the preview button which is pretty useful.

[crazycrabman]

the way eagersnake's post is worded makes me think he is trying to coach you

I agree

[crazycrabman]

i swear, why did i get my first game with the most harsh people on earth

It's harsh people that teach you the most.

[crazycrabman]

I wanted to make a list ranking reads from town reads to scum but honestly i have such little read on eagersnake, atm, and sircakez that it's pretty much worthless

I'd post the people you know and put the rest in an IDK catagory

[crazycrabman]

you can call me scummy all you want but i want to see evidence before we just kill someone

Evidence about you or tojam?

[crazycrabman]

you can call me scummy all you want but i want to see evidence before we just kill someone

Evidence about you or tojam?

both, mroe tojam though, cause i dont want to kill him without being informed

Ok.

Tojam

Scummy posts.
Very Inactive ~ 5 posts in the whole game. 0.0127% of posts in the whole game (he could just be busy so this isn't as big)
Overall scummy vibe.

Atm

Atm

Spoiler:

also, thank you crazy, but it really is too suspicous to just say "it was just a social experiment i was trying to get a reaction", so yea

I feel that the continued defense of himself after my reaction test was scummy. 35% sure is M

I'll bump that 35% down to a 20% because I'm really not that sure.

[crazycrabman]

well according to dwlee ive posted enough to hang me soon

And posts like that give you a scummy feel

[crazycrabman]

well according to dwlee ive posted enough to hang me soon

And posts like that give you a scummy feel

i mean thats why i dropped my vote, i need evidence for a vote not just scummy "vibes"

"vibes" are all we got. The scum aren't going to come out and announce it.

[crazycrabman]

i understand if people dont want to let their guard down cause im new, but keep that in mind when your interrogating me and according to dwlee, lynching me

this just doesn't quite do it for me. it's almost like saying "allow me to act more scummy because i'm new"
If you seem scummy you seem scummy, sorry

no, im just saying keep it in mind, not to change you style of play at all, just that im a new player, you could lynch me for all i care just keep in mind im new, dont excuse scummy s***

That is true. This is yours (and my) first? game. We will make mistakes.

[crazycrabman]

I'm going to list my possible teams here for reference.

? = not sure

~Tojam and x; x = LQ, ES, or DotW in order of likelihood
~Dwlee and Creature; Very likely Tojam isn't scum
~DotW and Atm;
~LQ and X; x = anyone else except Creature, Dwlee
~Sircakes and X; x = anyone else

[crazycrabman]

I am very open to change but currently:
town {Dwlee}
townlean {DotW, Creature}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, LQ}
scumlean {atm}
scum {tojam}

This could all change in a heartbeat if Tojam is found to be town. If that happens:

town {}
townlean {}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, DotW}
scumlean {Creature, LQ}
scum {Dwlee}

[crazycrabman]

Put LQ in the townlean on the second one

[crazycrabman]

and atm in scumlean on second one.

[crazycrabman]

Farewell

[crazycrabman]

VOTE: tojam

Because no matter if tojam is scum or not, not being pretty unlikely, the information gained from the lynching will take us a big way in scum-hunting.

[crazycrabman]

crazycrabman we still have 7 days 5 business days to scumhunt before we lynch tojam just 'for information' if that's the only reason you are lynching is to get information then you should wait

There is some wiki article saying that waiting 'till the deadline does not accomplish anything. I will look a bit deeper for it.

[crazycrabman]

does someone want to unvote just to be sure? or are we okay with him sitting at L-1 trusting no one will just hammer him?

How about you...

[crazycrabman]

Alright so we should be getting a post with substance from Tojam later today. I say we at least wait for that post before hammering him down.

Yeah, but we can't stall 'till the deadline, like Dwlee said.

[crazycrabman]

I still don't know about you LQ. I feel like you are honestly trying to hunt for the scum, but just have a different view than us. You do have a bit of a scummy feel but not like some other people here. We'll see how tojam is oriented and maybe that will shed some light on the situation.

[crazycrabman]

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

[crazycrabman]

Also an amendment to my previous post about teams, I don't think a creature-Dwlee team could happen because Dwlee was the first to vote for creature and kept that vote up to when the tojam wagon started. I feel a crature-sircakez team is more likely. You could say that Dwlee's vote was to distance them apart and when he realized a wagon started to form on creature he hopped off, though.

[crazycrabman]

He always posts between 8:30 and 9:30 AM PST, so we might have to wait 12 hours.

[crazycrabman]

Finding one of his posts to click the ISO button to isolate all of his is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

[crazycrabman]

I'd like to point out that LQ is not playing like his wiki says he does on town. It says "3. Convince people- Whether it be by an Occam's Razor deduction case or a sickening appeal to emotions, it doesn't matter as long as you get people to do what you want them to do." under tips for finding scum. I don't believe that LQ is trying to convince us that creature, his current vote, is a mafia member. Please quote something otherwise if you can, I may be wrong. "As Town I am a decent Scum hunter and a leader". While I don't know whether or not you are a good scum hunter yet, I do know that you aren't rallying us around your cause. You are the only person that has a vote on someone other that tojam.

[crazycrabman]

OK my bad for being inactive, some guys broke into my mom's car.

I hope that whoever perpetrated the crime didn't take anything valuable. My grandpa's house was broken into once but there was nothing too valuable to rob except old olympic pins and stamps. Luckily the thief didn't know the value of old pins and stamps, and he took the TV instead.

[crazycrabman]

Oh cool thanks!

[crazycrabman]

So we wait.

[crazycrabman]

I posted my whole board about possibilities yesterday but i'll quote it again.

[crazycrabman]

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

[crazycrabman]

Can we discuss after tojam is hammered or does it instantly lock the board?

[crazycrabman]

He threw shade at creature.

TBH with the level of activity and amount of info from just d1 this game should be easy to figure out, esp for vets, regardless of what tojam flips

The vets could be misguiding us. And we have conflicting vet's opinions. It's not that simple.

[crazycrabman]

It's still L-1 I believe

[crazycrabman]

Yep, it atm's was a hammer.

[crazycrabman]

Looking over the hex grid I don't believe it's possible to have two investigating PRs in the same game.

[crazycrabman]

I guess that's true.

[crazycrabman]

Interesting night...

I feel that there is only one person who has reason to fear SirCakez.

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

While LQ could have killed creature or Dwlee, that would be much more risky.

Town - Creature, crazycrabman
Nulltown - Dwlee, atm487
Null - Dragon of the West, eagersnake (having trouble sorting these two)
Scumlean - LQ
Scum - Tojam

Who else would have a reason to kill Sircakez? This was his last predictions. Nobody had a reason to kill Sircakez except LQ. For this reason, and the reasons stated before~ VOTE: LQ

[crazycrabman]

LQ purposefully withheld his vote from tojam. The wagon was already rolling and to jump on would mean to draw attention to himself. Not casting the vote would also put him in good light, after all, LQ knows who's the town and who's not.

[crazycrabman]

Interesting night...

I feel that there is only one person who has reason to fear SirCakez.

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

While LQ could have killed creature or Dwlee, that would be much more risky.

Why would that be more risky?

Town - Creature, crazycrabman
Nulltown - Dwlee, atm487
Null - Dragon of the West, eagersnake (having trouble sorting these two)
Scumlean - LQ
Scum - Tojam

Who else would have a reason to kill Sircakez? This was his last predictions. Nobody had a reason to kill Sircakez except LQ. For this reason, and the reasons stated before~ VOTE: LQ

I would not be that obvious to make that NK. I would have killed eagerSnakes who had a Townread on me.

1- Creature and Dwlee were more open about their reasons against you. Sircakez wasn't as active and would be easier to shrug off.

2- Because you wanted to knock off some competition. If you killed eagersnakez you would be more outnumbered. You want to keep eagersnakez around to diversify the viewpoint in your favor. For all we know eagersnakez could be your partner in crime...

[crazycrabman]

Why would you want to purposefully make it harder on yourself by knocking off someone in favor of you?

[crazycrabman]

Interesting night...

I feel that there is only one person who has reason to fear SirCakez.

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

While LQ could have killed creature or Dwlee, that would be much more risky.

Why would that be more risky?

Town - Creature, crazycrabman
Nulltown - Dwlee, atm487
Null - Dragon of the West, eagersnake (having trouble sorting these two)
Scumlean - LQ
Scum - Tojam

Who else would have a reason to kill Sircakez? This was his last predictions. Nobody had a reason to kill Sircakez except LQ. For this reason, and the reasons stated before~ VOTE: LQ

I would not be that obvious to make that NK. I would have killed eagerSnakes who had a Townread on me.

1- Creature and Dwlee were more open about their reasons against you. Sircakez wasn't as active and would be easier to shrug off.

2- Because you wanted to knock off some competition. If you killed eagersnakez you would be more outnumbered. You want to keep eagersnakez around to diversify the viewpoint in your favor. For all we know eagersnakez could be your partner in crime...

I was already taking heat at EOD by a lot of people. The NK makes me look even more suspicious. Why would I take that risk?

P-Edit: Actually Killing Cakez is the worst NK I could have done. DWlee would have made a way better NK because they were more active itt and didn't have as strong of a Scum read on me.

1- NKing Sircakez has two benefits for you. Knocking off someone not in favor of you, and providing ammo to blame someone else.
2- Dwlee is more active. He's a bigger threat to yourself.

Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Sircakez, Eagersnake, atm, Dragon}
Null {} Maybe sircakez here?
Scum Lea {LicketyQuickety}
Scum {Tojam}

He had you as scum lean. The same as sircakez. Except being more active makes him a bigger threat, and too much of a risk. Sircakez was out of all of our minds, we all basically had him as null, which makes him an easier target.

[crazycrabman]

I'm fairly confident in my town reads on SirCakez, atm487, and crazycrabman. I have some doubt of DotWs and Creatures alignment. And more doubt of tojam, dwlee9, and LQ.

TBH I'm almost sure tojam will be lynched so I'm trying to figure out who his partner is if he shows up scum, or who the scum team is should he show up town.

He is true, where did you get that he had you as a town read?

[crazycrabman]

Why are you buying that Scum wouldn't NK Cakez?

Because Cakez was NKed, and you are scum.

[crazycrabman]

Why? Why should we believe that? With that said, I gtg. I'll be back in half an hour plus to answer your rebuttal.

[crazycrabman]

NKA?

[crazycrabman]

well personally, we should wait for dwlee, these arguments should have the support of Dwlee, one of the Vets in this game. I would wait for dwlee before accusinf anyone

You can't blindly follow the vets. For all we know, dwlee is scum.

[crazycrabman]

I think you skipped my LQ vote mod?

[crazycrabman]

I am convinced Dwlee is not scum. He is not acting in the way a scum would act. Scum wouldn't push so hard on another person, in this instance tojam. I believe dwlee honestly believed tojam was scum. Virtually everyone did except for LQ, who would know who is town and who's not.

[crazycrabman]

Right now I'm leaning to an LQ DotW team or LQ EagerSnake team

[crazycrabman]

I'm going to rolecall now. This is probably a bad decision but this is a newbie game and i'm still learning what to do and when. This will also get me NKed this night but for the good of the town I have to do it. I am the town cop and investigated LQ this night. He is guilty and scum. I can barely believe it myself, and LQ would be at the bottom of my list for possible scum, but it is true: LQ is scum. I expect I would get NKed this night anyways, so I have nothing to lose.

[crazycrabman]

I'm going to rolecall now. This is probably a bad decision but this is a newbie game and i'm still learning what to do and when. This will also get me NKed this night but for the good of the town I have to do it. I am the town cop and investigated LQ this night. He is guilty and scum. I can barely believe it myself, and LQ would be at the bottom of my list for possible scum, but it is true: LQ is scum. I expect I would get NKed this night anyways, so I have nothing to lose.

I believe you are Town and that this is a gambit. I won't say why.

Enlighten us

[crazycrabman]

That's agreeable I guess. Just between you and me, your scum game is amazing, if I wasn't town cop I would never be without a doubt that you aren't scum.

[crazycrabman]

Well you either hit on a perfect strategy or the mod is messing with me, i'll go with the former.

[crazycrabman]

I don't need any links. I know you are scum. I understand you need to post the links to maintain your town status, so knock yourself out.

[crazycrabman]

Reads List:

Town:
crazycrabman
Creature

Town Lean:
eagerSnakes

Null:
atm487
DotW

Scum Lean:
Dwlee

I think LQ put his scumbuddy in the null spot to avoid associations.

I agree

[crazycrabman]

But it could also be eagersnakez

[crazycrabman]

You have to choose one of us. If you are town, then throw the game and vote with LQ. If you wish to have a 4v1 chance, vote with me.

[crazycrabman]

Well, we can wait everyone "react" first.

Then we force CCM to say if he was either serious or not.

If he was serious, then we're going to start questioning both cop claims and try to lynch the correct one.

If he wasn't, then we're going to lynch atm487 or DotW.

I am serious

[crazycrabman]

If I'm not mistaken we don't lose with a mislynch here

You are correct, but it will be much harder

[crazycrabman]

You have to choose one of us. If you are town, then throw the game and vote with LQ. If you wish to have a 4v1 chance, vote with me.

Fair enough. I know I'm the Cop so:

VOTE: crazycrabman

You just said it was a gambit, and I'm town. Why would you want to lynch a town member?

[crazycrabman]

Okay then, first, I would like to know if any of you breadcrumbed cop D1.

Not to my knowledge, no. Unless I accidentally did so.

[crazycrabman]

You have to choose one of us. If you are town, then throw the game and vote with LQ. If you wish to have a 4v1 chance, vote with me.

Fair enough. I know I'm the Cop so:

VOTE: crazycrabman

You just said it was a gambit, and I'm town. Why would you want to lynch a town member?

Well, if its not a gambit, you have to be Scum. Simple as that.

I acknowledge that.

[crazycrabman]

I hope you will consider the facts and make an educated decision, all of you. This is a game-deciding decision.

[crazycrabman]

I investigated LQ for a few reasons. I suspected that he would turn out as town and with that confirmed, I could focus my efforts on others. LQ could be teamed with many other people and me finding out he is not scum would eliminate man of those possible team. I honestly did not expect LQ to turn out scum, and now that he has, I am focusing all my efforts on him. This is why I started criticizing him right after the night.

[crazycrabman]

I am very open to change but currently:
town {Dwlee}
townlean {DotW, Creature}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, LQ}
scumlean {atm}
scum {tojam}

This could all change in a heartbeat if Tojam is found to be town. If that happens:

town {}
townlean {}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, DotW}
scumlean {Creature, LQ}
scum {Dwlee}

Put LQ in the townlean on the second one

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

Why would I put so much pressure on LQ if I had him null and had no idea he was scum?

[crazycrabman]

I'm going to wait to make a comment on this until we get Dwlee and others opinion on this predicament.

[crazycrabman]

So LQ, do you believe I'm scum or a town doing a gambit?

[crazycrabman]

Ahh ok, I was confused.

[crazycrabman]

Yes it was bad for you.

[crazycrabman]

I admire your dedication to this, but you are Scum.

I admire your dedication to this, but

you

are Scum.

[crazycrabman]

I feel post 412 is most likely just an accident. I honestly don't see LQ telling DotW to vote for him because there is still time for the vote to shift off of him. So I feel it's either eagersnakez or Atm. One question: Does the mod pick roles randomly or try to balance it out?

[crazycrabman]

well there are a lot of posts, ill look them over later, heres my list
Town {Dragon of the West}
Town Lean {Dwlee, Crab}
Null {Creature, eagerSnake, Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Tojam}
Scum {None}
Keep in mind these are just VIBES not anything else

Liquitey isn't on the list m9

Lq + Atm anyone?

If anything I would think LQ would be on the list if they were partners.

[crazycrabman]

Yeah, like could the two mafia be vets or do they try to mix them?

[crazycrabman]

Ok, so we still can't completely rule out dwlee and creature, but I am leaning towards eagersnakez or Atm

[crazycrabman]

Well goodnight to all, I will contemplate this game as I go to sleep. I will be here tomorrow to defend myself and discuss LQ's partner.

[crazycrabman]

Ok, so we still can't completely rule out dwlee and creature, but I am leaning towards eagersnakez or Atm

* eagersnakez or Atm atm

[crazycrabman]

I'm back! So I believe Dwlee already mentioned it but the reason I made the attack on LQ after the night is because I pretty much had no patience and I used everything I had to attack LQ, which was not a lot. So the only way I could really attack LQ was with the NK, so it was a pretty rushed argument.

[crazycrabman]

I'm not sure you're scum. You're one of my possibilities for LQ's partner. I'm becoming a little less sure that you are because I doubt you would attack LQ so hard with only a few votes in. I didn't investigate you because I wanted to clear all doubt from my mind that LQ was scum. With that in mind, I could focus my efforts on Dwlee, who I was pretty sure would be scum after tojam flipped town.

[crazycrabman]

If we lynch LQ and he is Mafia Goon, then could a roleblocker still roleblock AND kill if he is the only mafia member left alive?

I believe so.

[crazycrabman]

I'm not sure you're scum. You're one of my possibilities for LQ's partner. I'm becoming a little less sure that you are because I doubt you would attack LQ so hard with only a few votes in. I didn't investigate you because I wanted to clear all doubt from my mind that LQ was scum. With that in mind, I could focus my efforts on Dwlee, who I was pretty sure would be scum after tojam flipped town.

I posted my whole board about possibilities yesterday but i'll quote it again.

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

CCM.. you had me as the only scumlean if tojam turned town.. and also as scumlean if tojam was scum.. scumlean on both... you must've been sure I was sucm.

Yeah, I honestly had no idea who was what if Tojam turned town. Just because I have you in scumlean doesn't mean I know you are scum. It just means, out of all the possibilities, I give you a 5% or greater chance of being scum. You were right about at the 10% mark. If this is about why I investigated LQ, I believe I already stated that.

[crazycrabman]

Scumlean on both holds no bearing on anything because they are two separate possibilities. You gave me a scummy vibe day 1 and i put you in the scumlean for both because tojam's orientation didn't change anything for you.

[crazycrabman]

If we lynch LQ and he is Mafia Goon, then could a roleblocker still roleblock AND kill if he is the only mafia member left alive?

I believe so.

[crazycrabman]

Why 1597 posts?

[crazycrabman]

Well, gg atm487. Hope you get to try out being town in your next game.

So guys, how did I play for my first game as scum and first game in general

So, you're saying you are scum.

[crazycrabman]

LQ, you did do a good job as scum but you went a bit crazy after you counter-claimed town cop.

[crazycrabman]

If you want to, you can go to my wiki to leave me some advice on what to do better or whatever you want

[crazycrabman]

Except Atm487, you need to stick it out to the endgame. Don't ever give up, even when we are saying we know you are scum. I had no idea you were scum but I just acted like I did to see how you would react. If you would've kept trying to prove you're town you could've convinced me to (maybe) vote Dwlee99 tomorrow

Yeah, never give up, never surrender!

[crazycrabman]

Well Zaicon should be around any time now. Again, because this may be the last time I able to talk, don't hesitate to leave a comment in my wiki!

[crazycrabman]

Ok cool, thats good

[crazycrabman]

So can I get in the newbie que now or do I have to wait until it's official finished?

[crazycrabman]

Wait, did atm487 scumclaimed seriously?

Apparently.

[crazycrabman]

Unless he hates us and is messing with us

[crazycrabman]

I'm just joining a newbie game as you need 2 under your belt to join anywhere else

[crazycrabman]

Only some of the themed games need.

Really? I didn't know that.

[crazycrabman]

How do you find a decent image thats 120 by 100 pixels???

[crazycrabman]

I think I got the last spot

[crazycrabman]

Hey! GG guys

[crazycrabman]

If any of you want to you can post something under the Signatures section i my wiki! I need at least one comment -_-