Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)
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VOTE: innocentvillager
His scumbuddy is Meepo - casting shade on Mizzy's wagon by using the word "random" to imply it's without justification. He follows it up with a classic chainsaw defense of innocentvillager. I think that's enough to wrap up the game. Sorry, scum members. I know you tried, but you lost the moment you drew the opposite alignment as me.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Everyone please sheep the IC. They know best.
Hi, I’m Accountant, your friendly neighbourhood Inexperience-Challenged player, or IC. This means that I have a few games under my belt, so I know the ins and outs of mafia and can show you the ropes. For those of you who hate reading long rants, or have read a similar post already, check out the link:
A Beginner’s Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia
Anyway, as the IC, it’s my job to teach you theory concepts, which means I will never lie about theory questions. When I answer those questions, I will be typing in this color (red), so you know I’m wearing my IC hat and not my <insert alignment here> hat.
Before we start the game proper, I’d like to cover a few key concepts.
Hammering, Lynching and L-1
When the number of votes on a player exceeds half the number of players for that game, that player is lynchedinstantlyand the Day ends. For example, we have 9 players. If that means the hammer is 5, so if there were to be 5 votes on someone, that player would be lynched. Do not recklessly hammer, especially early in the game, or you’ll risk accidentally lynching town members and cutting short discussion time.
The concept of L-X is used to indicate how many votes a player is to hammer. L-1 means 1 vote to hammer, L-2 means 2 votes to hammer and so forth. So for this game, if someone were to get 4 votes, they would be at L-1. When you place the vote that puts someone at L-1(for example, if someone has 3 votes and you’re putting the 4th vote down, with a hammer of 5), you should usually announce it with a statement like “He’s at L-1”, so people don’t accidentally hammer. Even more importantly, it means that mafia can’t hammer a town member and then claim ignorance the next day.
If someone is at L-1 and you want to hammer him, you should usually state “intent to hammer”, which means “I want to lynch you”. When you do this, you can also ask for a role claim. That way, if the player is a power role being mislynched, he can claim before you place the hammering vote, and thus save himself.
LyLo
LyLo is the shortened form of a phrase which means “lynch or lose”. The simplest form of LyLo is 3 players, 2 of whom are vanilla townies and the last being a mafia goon. Then, it’s easy to see that if they do not lynch, the mafia goon will kill one of them at night, stalemating the lynch the next day, and killing the last town member on Night 2 – although the mod will usually recognize this and end the game early instead of dragging it out.
When town is in LyLo, it’s important not to carelessly vote like you would on any other day, because of the potential for a mafia coordinated hammer(a “quickhammer”, happening before anyone else can react). Let’s say we have LyLo with 3 Vanilla Townies and 2 Mafia Goons. One of the vanilla townie carelessly puts his vote on another VT. This allows the two mafia goons to instantly rush in and simultaneously vote that VT, bringing his vote count to 3 in a game of 5 players, which is a hammer and loss for the town.
It’s good practice to try to recognize LyLo situations when you see them, but in Newbie games a more experienced player will usually point out that it’s LyLo and caution people from recklessly voting. Learning how to deal with LyLo is a very important part of playing mafia, and it comes up more often than you might think.
RVS
We are currently in the RVS, or Random Voting Stage. As none of us has any idea who is mafia(well, except the mafia members themselves, but they’re hardly going to admit it), we’re mostly poking around and slinging votes like hot curry at a food fight, trying to provoke reactions, start a discussion and basically probe around to try and determine player’s alignments.
As it is theRandomVoting Stage, it’s common for players to vote for very silly reasons, such as “your avatar is ugly” or “your username has too many numbers in it”. Don’t worry, they don’t have a grudge against you or anything. It’s just part of RVS. Without RVS, it would be a lot harder to get the game moving.
Conclusion
Thank you for joining this newbie game, and I hope that all of us will have fun playing, win or lose. If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask me. I’m an IC, so it’s my job to be active and respond to questions from newer players. I live in Singapore, which makes my timezone GMT+8, so don’t be surprised if I answer in the middle of the night or appear to be inactive at high noon(I’m probably sleeping).
Have fun and good luck!
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That makes no sense Grace. I said Meepo was scum with innocentvillager, so how exactly am I drawing attention away from Mizzy accusing Meepo? In fact, I'm drawing attention to that fact by putting a spotlight on Meepo and giving meat to Mizzy's accusations. I think your suspicions are unfounded, sorry.
To extrapolate means, broadly, to infer an unknown from something that is known. If I had an association with Mizzy, it would hardly be unknown to me, so I couldn't possibly extrapolate that. You need to be clearer on what exactly you think I'm doing with Mizzy.Makes me think that maybe you're just extrapolating your asociation with MizzyThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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What do you have to hide, Grace? I have a far easier time reading people when they're natural and let their thoughts flow freely rather than constructing their sentences artificially to try toseema certain way. That's a very mafia thing to do.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Since you said the reason your vote was still on me was because I "exposed" you, does that mean you acknowledge that your accusation of me drawing attention away from Mizzy accusing Meepo had no merit?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Now that it's known that I'm no brainy, I don't have to pretend
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Were you attempting to sound clever or not? This isn't a jibe at your intelligence; it's a legitimate issue if you're going around trying to sell us a certain image of yourself artificially.I was just trying to sound clever
I agree. II see you as a dangerous player capable of manipulating us allcouldmanipulate you all, but I won't, because I'm town. My capability to manipulate people has absolutely nothing to do with the role card the moderator sent me. It isn't as if he mind-scans the players to see who's the most manipulative and then sends mafia PMs to the most manipulative players.
Can you explain clearly why you think so?now I do think you're a member of the mafia
I don't either. What made you think my vote on Meepo was a "forced accusation" and stemming from a scum motive?I don't want this town to start killing each other because of forced accusations made by scumThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Unfortunately, that kind of reasoning won't quite cut it. Isn't it a little hypocritical of you to accuse me of making forced accusations when your own accusations(against me) are backed by no reasoning at all?I just do, I don't trust you.
What makes you so confident I am a mafia member this early in the game? After all, if I am town and you lynch me, then you have lynched a dangerous player who was on your side. Why didn't you consider this?And then, if I'm right about thinking so, you'd be really dangerous and we should lynch you before you get to make us vote for an innocent villager.
I don't think it was forced. I think Meepo's words were inherently suspicious, all I did was point out how weird it was that he was chainsaw defending a random player in RVS - something that you yourself are guilty of. If Meepo had good intentions, then excellent. Let him come into here and explain himself before the eyes of 14 of his peers. He certainly doesn't need you to defend him.You took every single thing Meepo said and turned it against him and innocentvillager, and for me that seems a bit forced.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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VOTE: Grace
Joking around early D1 is normal, but it's only natural to become serious when scum makes a slip up like Grace did. She became more and more desperate under pressure and eventually cracked with #21, ignoring all my questions in favor for an appeal to... I'm not sure what she's appealing to, but it's not logic.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Grace, why did you lie about the seriousness of your accusation?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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So you kept your vote on me because you thought I was mafia for being too aggressive? Why do you think I was aggressive-mafia and not aggressive-town? For all you know, I could have been aggressively trying to hunt down mafia members. It's interesting to me that the way your post is worded implies that you do not like questions and refutations.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Will post fully when I get on a computer.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Let's look at some things I found interesting.
Grace
I don't think Grace is scum. Her reactions seem to me like newbtown frustrating/panicking/lashing out because they've just been put under pressure by the IC than anything else.
This doesn't look like scum to me.And yes, I'm nervous, that's why most of the things I've said so far make no sense, I'm just not used to be confronted that hardly. And sorry for the typos.
Meepo
Some of the bits coming from him are standard. Others I find questionable.
Why do you think it is suspicious?My first post was a joke reply to your joke posts. But the fact that you just don`t want to let that go is suspicious.
Here he answers Mizzy's question in bold. Why, though? It seems to me that it should be obvious Mizzy was trying to create a wagon on IV to get out of RVS, especially since he hasYour post is about something actually in game - the fact I was trying to get a wagon going.
I did not know you were trying to do soexplicitly stated so.
I don't like Meepo's posts because he seems excessively focused on the RVS stage(which I think we are well out of by now) and the general tone of his posts is in defending himself from Mizzy rather than actively trying to go out and find scum. I don't like that. I don't get the sense Meepo is trying to figure out the game at all. He has 12 posts in his ISO - a total of 11 are fluff or focused on subjects like RVS and "seriousness" of posts. The only post that I'd call actual looking for scum is #23, where he points out Grace contradicting herself. If we add in posts that even hint at the fact that he's searching for/attacking scum, we could add #37, where he attacks Mizzy kinda noncommitally, and more importantly doesn't follow up on it at all. His further interactions with Mizzy doesn't feel like a town interacting with his only stated scumread - they are light hearted and full of offtopic content.
InnocentVillager
Let's get this clear about this meta. I don't know his meta. I don't trust people in this game to tell or show me what his meta is/was. Even if I had incontrovertible proof that his meta was to be "eccentric and aggressive", I wouldn't vote him or scumread him based on that. In other words, I'm completely disregarding anything Mizzy has said so far about his meta when deciding how I feel about him.
So, howdoI feel about him? Honestly, I'm absolutely null, and currently I'm convinced that anyone who reads him anything but null is:
1) Scum making up a read
2) Misguided town who feels they have to have a strong read on everyone
3) Confused
He's literally fluffing his way through the game, and not in the way Meepo is doing, in a way that acknowledges the fluff and attributes it to exhaustion from previous games + mobile posting + vacation. That to me is completely NAI. Any talk of InnocentVillager at this point is a distraction and if you're town you should focus on the people that matter. If IV is still shitting around 50 pages in, then we can examine him.
Mizzytastic
Post #30 is bad. It has a lot of questions, but there's no meat in it. It's just jabbing and poking people with porcupine quills. There aren't any questions that strike to the heart of someone, they all feel very shallow. That plus the needlessly exhaustive post by post analysis makes me feel like it's just there to make Mizzy look active and making an effort. I'm not too impressed with the meta attack on IV either. After this, he engages in a long and drawn out conversation about irrelevant details with Meepo. Despite bringing up several reasons for Meepo being scum, he ends up voting IV.
I have a bad feeling about this slot and I don't like the way he's setting about "scumhunting". VOTE: MizzytasticThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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OMGUSIn post 79, RadiantCowbells wrote:so why did you vote me?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Okay, Meepo is town. RC, stop playing games and sheep me thanks.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Hey Lycan I feel like you're just sitting around and whaling on someone who can't fight back. Any thoughts on active players?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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RC is not a Titus alt.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I like Simoyd now.
Why isn't Mizzie doing more stuff with Meepo? It makes sense to talk to and pressure your scumreads.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Posts feel very real and typical of a newbie townie.Why. I don't see it.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I thought #104 was pretty meaningful, Lyc. Is there any other reason why you think IV is suspicious?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I guess your record of being able to perfectly read my alignment has finally come to an endIn post 109, RadiantCowbells wrote:Really, really like my Accountant vote.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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What don't you like about my reads, etc.?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I've never done a single reaction test this entire game, and I don't know why people thought I did.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I call these people "Donald Trumps" because they promise walls but can't deliverAnd yes I meet my promises, unlike everyone else I've seen who says shit like this.....There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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It certainly was enough to wrap up the game if Meepo had been serious. But he later said he was joking.You certainly don't think this is enough to wrap up the game. If not bussing, then is this a reaction test?
I tunneled on Grace because I wasn't sure of her alignment yet. 13 and 16 may have been enough for you to determine her true colors, but it wasn't enough for me. People respond under pressure - that response shows me their alignment. Afterwards I townread Grace since her respond was townie.I just get the impression that your motivation to tunnel was to keep up the bussing facade and not to find scum like town would.
Because I knew that RC's initial vote on me was just him playing games as usual, so I voted him back to show my displeasure. In addition, this was something of a placeholder vote, and after I completed my analysis I ended up voting Mizzy.Why would town OMGUS (post 80)?
Because people were attacking him unreasonably and I wanted to put a stop to that.Why defend?
Please explain how my post made people feel stupid.And making people feel stupid like that isn't a reaction test how?
Indeed - just because someone is sheeping me doesn't mean that their posts are magically good.In the same post you also attack Mizzy, saying her post 30 is bad when 80% of it basically just looks like parroting of your own opinion earlier in the game
I don't expect Mizzy to strike at the heart of anyone. If she doesn't have something real to scumhunt, she be honest and say that she can't find any openings to question rather than trying to look good by jabbing aimlessly.How is anyone expected to strike the heart of someone at this point?
RC's meta isn't to jab and poke, it's to make naked votes and one liners or 20 pages and then jump on someone and deathtunnel them. In addition, I'm wary of trying to sort RC early because I find him difficult to read.Why is jabbing and poking any different than what RC has done?
I assume you meant actually "being" active here. My response is that the difference is the intent and direction of her questions. I don't see the pointedness and the "driving" that would lead me to believe she has a concrete idea of how each question helps to sort player alignments.How do you differentiate between Mizzy appearing to look active and actually looking active at this point in the game?
What is wrong with town asking someone to sheep them? To "sheep" someone means to follow their lead and vote who they vote - if a town member is confident they've found a good player to vote, they should want the rest of the town to vote with them.Since when does town ever ask someone to sheep them?
Of course I'm defending him. He's literally awol and people are rushing to jump down his throat.again defending innocentvillager. This seems to be a reoccuring theme...
Liking you is the obviousLiking me is the obvious scum choice because I'm terrible at this game and obvious newb town.townchoice, too. If you're obvious newb town, that means that I, as a town member, should want to read you as town.
I think you were doing this in a sort of clueless town way, rather than Mizzy's deceptive manner.This is besides the fact that I was voting meepo and not pushing either, but you like me?
You misunderstand. IV, in his post, questioned why I townread Meepo. I said that Meepo as a whole seemed genuine.I would like to see a detailed explaination on why you think that post seems nowbie townie and meaningful...
Why do you think that me defending IV means that we both have to be scum together? That's a ridiculous line of thinking. All town would defend another player who they feel to be unfairly attacked, which IV was. My actual read on IV is nullish, so anyone who reads him otherwise is either seeing something I don't(unlikely, since there's nothing much to see from 1 post and some V/LA declarations) or outright wrong.I think IV is your buddy. You immidiatly respond positivly and defend him again in 107 the moment he's under fire... What is that!
In Conclusion
I feel that your erroneous scum read on me is due to a number of misunderstandings about my play and horrible misconceptions about how town should react. Your logic and hasty pre-flip associatives are bad and do not hold in the face of closer examination. You also seem to fundamentally misunderstand the point of many of my posts, like declaring them to be reaction tests when they're anything but. In the light of this, there can be no further reason to suspect I am scum.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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How am I being defensive, IV? Simoyd wrote a post about how I was scum; I responded by writing a post about how I was not. This seems natural.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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You should! I suggest changing it to Mizzy.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I care when people say/do wrong things. Like suspecting IV for for being V/LA.In post 130, Lycanfire wrote:Accountant, why defend IV so hard when he had an opportunity to do it himself, gave it up and showed up 36 hours later to try? Popular opinion wasn't against IV. Why should you care more than he did, and what was the rush?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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1) You're actually going to have to give a stronger case than that if you want to lynch me.In post 132, Pants98 wrote:
Yeah........ no.In post 126, Accountant wrote:How am I being defensive, IV? Simoyd wrote a post about how I was scum; I responded by writing a post about how I was not. This seems natural.
VOTE: Accountant
2) This vote makes it L-1, which means the next person to vote me will lynch me instantly(as outlined in my IC post). You should have declared this so people don't vote recklessly.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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hey pants it's been way more than a few hoursThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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That last paragraph conclusion was done in order to completely shut down any attempt Simoyd may gave at scum reading me.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Who do you think is scum and why, Grace?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Okay, that sounds good. Please focus on Mizzytastic especially, I want to know what you think of her.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Hey RC, just a reminder that I on principle don't really interact with you much on Day 1. The rule I established back in that other newbie whose name slips my mind is that I'll townread you at the start of the game and scumread you more as time passes by without you getting NKed, and I am sticking to that.In post 155, RadiantCowbells wrote:Accountant is scum. stop voting people who aren't accountant and start voting people who are.
Note that Accountant hasn't said anything to me.
In addition, you don't talk to your scumreads, so I don't see anything to be gained out of talking to you. If you have something to say and want me to respond just directly address me. Thanks.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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If Grace goes "hey Mizzy is obvtown" and lists a bunch of reasons wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of it?I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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scum!Accountant has quite a lot to lose. The wagon on me was dead in the water after Grace backed off; like you said, nobody was applying a lot of pressure. It makes no sense to characterize this as a desperate move.In post 161, Lycanfire wrote:
Does scumAccountant have anything to lose at this point?In post 160, Accountant wrote:
If Grace goes "hey Mizzy is obvtown" and lists a bunch of reasons wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of it?I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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These are not personal attacks. They simply reflect the state of the game. If I had said "you are an idiot for not nullreading IV" that would be personal but when I said misguided I was simply referring to the fact that the person would be focusing their energies on the wrong player and would be well advised to participate in actual scumhunting.
What I mostly meant was #2 and #3 which are straight up personal attacks on anyone who was considering IV. The rest I've quoted here is of the same tone.
Scumreading IV is NAI by itself, but it can be part of a pattern of weak attacks where the player just picks on easy targets.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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No, not at all. Two of the people voting me - Pants and RC - have literally no stated reason and the others are quite apathetic about me I feel.In post 166, Simoyd wrote:
Do you feel like you're under pressure right now?In post 164, Accountant wrote:It makes no sense to characterize this as a desperate move.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Scumhunting is not just about questioning. She could analyze the posts that are already there, state her reads, make cases and so on if she can't find an opening.
Would you prefer for her to just say "I can't find any opening to question" every 48 hours instead of at least trying to question and analyse? Wouldn't activity from her be good for town, regardless if she's scum or not, instead of making her feel bad about her direction and post less?
I disagree. My early posts and interactions helped me to sort Grace quickly. Jabbing is a scum tell because it makes scum look like they're scumhunting when they are just sitting at their computers asking aimless questions as they already know who is what alignment.
I think it would be accurate to quantify almost everything that happened before post 30 as "jabbing aimlessly", including your posts. I think everything I did before post 112 was "jabbing aimlessly" trying to hit something. Can you explain to me why you think this is a scum tell?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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How else would I get RC to vote with me? He doesn't respond to cases, which is my usual go to for pushibg a wagon.In post 169, Simoyd wrote:
I think the "how" is questionable. You chose the "ask someone directly to sheep me" route. I'm concerned with what motivated you to choose that.In post 124, Accountant wrote:if a town member is confident they've found a good player to vote, they should want the rest of the town to vote with them.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Not really
I wouldn't... I would attack the person who attacked my town read. Does that mean you think I'm scum?
Yes.I'm not sure one exists, but did you really expect to yield any fruit for this effort?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Attacking X for unfairly attacking Y is just another way of defending Y. That is why it is known as the chainsaw defense.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Figure of speech. To have nothing to lose means simply "I'm screwed because of the wagon, might as well do something reckless". If the wagon is dead, then I'm still "in the game" and can't make desperate or suicidal moves.Wait, so first you say there's a lot to lose, then you say the wagon is dead, so what is there to lose then?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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The action in question: me asking for Grace's thoughts on Mizzy.
Claimed upside: I get validation on my scumread.
Possible downside: Grace strongly townreads Mizzy and the opposite happens
It's almost like the upsides and downsides are the same and I really just wants to know how Grace reads Mizzy!There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Well, RC and Pants seem to be vampires who hate the sun and refuse to go out doing the day.
Grace has vanished as well, albeit less severely, but her content has dropped severely ever since early game. Mizzy is V/LA, I think.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Pants or RC, maybe. I'm not sure, I don't have a solid scumread and even my read on Meepo is like kinda wobblyThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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since when do you give wallcases RCThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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What?Apparently, keeping a meta is so important that you can't break character in a newbie game and use a throwaway one.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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RC isn't doing that to keep a meta IMO, he's doing it because he genuinely feels I am a scumlord and he thinks town has the best chance of win by lynching me so focusing on other candidates is irrelevant.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Why?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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On Grace? I'm not pushing her lynch any more. I changed my mind.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I don't think any of what I said was contrived sounding. I don't get what you mean by that.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Hey have I taken LSD
Since when does RC voluntarily release pressure on a hard tunnel of his
Sorry postie on mobile, will link you to a couple of my games when I get on my laptop. I usually make weird pushes during early day 1 to start discussion, the trouble is I sometimes end up believing my own nonsense and getting sucked into a deathtunnel.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I've already stated why I don't like RC, he's not giving reasons and making bad pushes. I know it's his meta but I don't see the spark that usually leads me to townread him early.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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No, it was a statement of confusion because RC doesn't usually do thisThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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What do you mean?Postie replaced in and her being in the game makes me unwilling to push a lynch until I've fully read.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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>implying I'm not worth putting everything intoIn post 236, RadiantCowbells wrote:It means, shocker, I like playing with Postie and I want to put everything into the game when we're in it together.
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nopeIn post 234, Simoyd wrote:Getting prodded once then replaced is a town tell right?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Because if he was scum he has no reason to unvote.In post 239, innocentvillager wrote:
If you're referring to RC's post, why?In post 230, Postie wrote:Um, that's actually a pretty towny post.
I initially thought RC's unvote was bad but seeing after his explanation on wanting to really try when you replaced in is NAI at best.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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i have enough jelly to fill a doughnut :'(There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I don't agree that a lynch on myself is the most likely option for Day 1. The case simply falls down upon a close examination. Someone like pants is far more likely to get lynched.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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@Lycanfire: RC is the only alternative lynch I'd acceptThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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