Literally Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Postie]

VOTE: Yume

[Postie]

8. Thou shalt vote in thread in this form

vote Untrod Tripod

or

vote UT

.

Wait we're allowed to use the regular voting tags right?

[Postie]

I don't know what to make of Massive's "Don't worry I'm town" entrance.

It's null.

[Postie]

This post restriction is going to be the best part of this game. Easily.

[Postie]

It's slightly suspicious and I think I should at least know why.

Not really. Do you think scum would actually try and get an IC lynched?

[Postie]

I should probably pick a new wagon though.

VOTE: massive

[Postie]

There are what, three/four scum? Even if all of them voted you, that wouldn't be enough to lynch you. You think town's going to hop onto an IC wagon?
Also, why would scum do that when you just die at the end of day 2? They'd be sacrificing a free kill.

[Postie]

They might if you use a convincing enough argument, i.e he/she brings town more harm than good. And you can't deny that scum want to get rid of IC as fast as possible.

But you die at the end of day 2 so there'd be no point? Why go to the trouble of lynching someone who's going to die the next day anyway?

[Postie]

Also, your posts seem rehearsed.

Okay.

Someone else talk to me so I start engaging in a way that's productive.

[Postie]

Fate, why are you townreading Klingoncelt?

[Postie]

Yume, sometimes people are just lazy. You're in no danger of being lynched so there's no harm in anyone who's already voted you not unvoting if they haven't made up their mind on who else to vote for.
It doesn't mean anything and it's time to move on.

Do you have any townreads?

[Postie]

stubbornly refuse to unvote a confirmed townie

No one was doing this.

[Postie]

VOTE: Ircher

[Postie]

Pedit: You're luterally arguing with Yume about it. That's refusal.

MY VOTE ISN'T ON YUME
IT HASN'T BEEN ON YUME SINCE SHE BROUGHT IT UP

[Postie]

My vite stands.

Why

[Postie]

How townie to change vote instantly after someone calls you out on bad vote.

Would not unvoting have been townier?

[Postie]

Yume, can I ask you a favour? Will you please focus on getting townreads this game and just stay away from scumreading anyone for now? That doesn't mean you have to stop attacking people and pressuring them, just don't write them off as scum.
You're playing in a way that's overly paranoid and it won't work to get scum lynched. Focusing on deciding who

isn't

scum and taking things from there is going to be more helpful for you at the moment.

[Postie]

Okay, can you tell me what things people have said that made you townread them?

[Postie]

Ignoring you was my first instinct, yes, but I'd prefer if you stopped tunneling town and someone who may or may not be town for nonsensical reasons and directed your attention somewhere else, because that way you might actually be useful and improve your play.
And I fully expect to get scumread for taking this approach but it seems like it'll get more shit done so I don't care.

[Postie]

Are you really comparing my situation to yours here? Nobody's tunneling you.

[Postie]

No no keep engaging with Clumsy! That would actually be really helpful.

[Postie]

Yeah I probably shouldn't have said that.

Okay whatever I'm ready to do the ignoring you thing now.

@Fate

- Read on Clumsy?

[Postie]

VOTE: Postie

*hits that was easy button*

Yep, I expected that. I'm pretty sure I did the 100% tell too.
This is what I was saying about your spreadsheet failing eventually because it's possible I'll do the things I do as scum as town at some point.
Phone-posting but I'm when I get to a computer I'll probably go over the context of some stuff to explain why you'are getting false positives.

Would you be open to getting a neighborhood with me from night 1 onwards and leaving your decision on my alignment until after then? Because that can be arranged. It would help me

a lot

in figuring you out too.

[Postie]

That's 100% not what I'm saying.
Ugh let me get to a computer so I can explain why you're wrong and understanding the context of tells matters.

[Postie]

@RC

Okay, I have no idea how accurate my guess about half this stuff is going to be, but I'll give it a shot.
Everyone else can feel free to ignore everything I'm about to say since it isn't really that relevant to you.

To start with we're going to travel back in time to my first newbie game. Bear with me.

Below is an exchange between me and another player in that game.

Spoiler:

We're in RVS; why do you feel the need to justify your vote to this extent?

I wasn't justifying my vote at all. I was talking about information theory. My vote has nothing to do with Jean's predgidous against generalizations!

Why are you purposely misrepresenting information for reach tells?

Apologies. Jean criticised your vote because he didn't like the logic you used, so can you understand how I may have mistakenly assumed that, when you defended the logic you were using, you were trying to defend your vote? What makes you think I was deliberately misrepresenting information?

Why apologize? Trying to appeal to me already?

VOTE: Postie

I was trying to be courteous. Could you please answer my question?

And thus began the start of what I'm going to call the could-you-can-you tell, where as scum I have a habit of starting a question with the words "could you..." or "can you..." (usually it's "can you...", but "could you..." shows up occasionally).
Idk if that's what you're using, but if it's not then it's probably something similar, or related.

In that game, however, unlike any other game where the could-you-can-you tell has applied, I was town, and that's why its context is important.
You'll notice that in the above exchange the way I'm interacting with Fugitive comes across as extremely forced. That's because it is. Asides from general newbie awkwardness, I was annoyed at the way Fugitive kept overreacting and so I forced myself to be polite because I didn't really want to get into an unnecessary argument with them.

In future games, I loosened up a bit and so never could-you-can-you'd again. Except in my scum games, of course, and that's because this tell is a sign that I'm not acting 100% naturally and forcing my responses.

It doesn't apply in the context of my interactions with Yume for the same reason it didn't apply back then. I was ready to just tell Yume to get lost but I figured actually trying with her was going to be more productive, not to mention just kind-of nicer.
I considered censoring myself, but quite frankly, I'm not going to choose to interact with someone in a shitty way that's less likely to get them to change their mind in order to keep to someone else's perception of my town meta.

So there you have it. Any questions?

[Postie]

When you ask those "could you can you" questions as scum, what ultimately is your goal? Why is it different than your goal in (say) 126?

this tell is a sign that I'm not acting 100% naturally and forcing my responses

[Postie]

Like there's no goal it's just a thing I naturally do when I'm being unnatural.

[Postie]

Oh wow I just realised I've only could-you'd once. I probably was censoring myself originally then lol.

[Postie]

*can-you'd

[Postie]

I guess what I'm looking for is, why would anyone consider basic politeness scummy?

Because I've done it in every one of my scum games and none of my towngames with the exception of my first game.
RC has a spreadsheet on my tells and I don't see why this wouldn't be on it since it's one of the first things I noticed I did after the disaster that was Open 636.

[Postie]

something something schrödinger's cat

[Postie]

Clumsy is more of a neutral to townlean for us. His posts seem really natural and generally townie. He hasn’t done a ton yet, but we’re getting good vibes from him so far.

Gimme more details on this?

[Postie]

Hmmn. I actually like the look of Ranger's reads this game.

Why's Ircher town?

[Postie]

UNVOTE:

Not comfortable with Ircher at L-1 just yet.

[Postie]

lol nevermind

VOTE: Ircher

[Postie]

I think this Ircher wagon is scumdriven

Why?

[Postie]

What do you make of his above wallposts?

And the wagon got to L-1 way too easily.

That's not a thing.

[Postie]

I keep wanting to unvote Ircher but then I reread his "case" on me and can't do it. :/

[Postie]

Ah fuck it

UNVOTE:

I need more time to decide who gets into the neighbourhood anyway, and CatDog needs to talk to me.

[Postie]

No one hammer before we've sorted who gets to neighbourhood with me. It's a reflexive thing that works on the first person to target me so it requires some coordination.

[Postie]

seriously with posties unvote revote thing and irchers hard push on postie feeling certain I think we have a postie ircher scum team.

Well excuse me for wanting to control who goes in my neighbourhood.

[Postie]

If Ircher were my scumpartner I'd want him dead as soon as possible.

[Postie]

Not really.

Hey shotty are you scum?

[Postie]

Also RC needs to spill about the pre-game soft he apparently received from Ircher.

[Postie]

Yume, when you find out I'm town will you promise me you'll focus on just getting townreads in future games and ignoring any reasons you think you have to scumread people?
Because whatever you're doing, it isn't working.

[Postie]

shotty would you like to be my neighbour?

[Postie]

shotty would you like to be my neighbour?

[Postie]

Do you want to buddy less obviously, just because I clean up sperm doesn't mean I want to hang out with scum.

I'm looking for space to sort you because you're just kind-of making the game unplayable for me here.

If you are town, what do you have to lose by getting lynched.

I want my goddamn neighbourhood.

[Postie]

I just really want to neighbourhood with someone. ;____;

[Postie]

shotty you are literally making this unplayable for me.

[Postie]

What wish lol?

[Postie]

To get your neighborhood. You'd probably use it to convince another person that you are town.

But if I'm so scummy then how would that work?

[Postie]

p-edit,
then self hammer postie and get it over with. I'm not being rude or verbally abusive, I am scum reading you and now pushing you, if you being voted makes a game unplayable I suggest you find a different game to play, may I suggest mish mash? They have some circle jerk everyone wins games you could go play until you are mature enough to not flip the game board and walk away talking about how life isn't fair.

I'd like some space to fucking scumhunt so that when I die I actually leave behind some half-decent reads.

I signed up for this game

to play it

.

Giving me a chance to do that would be a good idea in case I'm town, no?

[Postie]

I don't think I'm going to be able to look at the word laconic for a while without wanting to punch something.

[Postie]

I hope not.

If she did then glhf.

[Postie]

I'm just going to stop posting until someone engages me who isn't shotty or Yume.

[Postie]

OK postie I'll engage since I have nothing better to do
What's your read on RC?

I think he'd make the push he made on me as either alignment but the way he went about it has me townleaning on him.

[Postie]

What do you mean by the "way he went about it"?

It's kind-of gut. I don't know how I'd expect scum!RC to make this kind of push on me but it just wouldn't be like

VOTE: Postie

*hits that was easy button*

No, you're just scum.

Like, you're claiming that you're intentionally being scummy so that I read you as scum and I can lynch you and you can say HA FOOLED YOU BY SCUMCLAIMING.

That's, no.

[Postie]

I've seen scum!RC make weak pushes like that on you before though....(open 635)

RC's push on me in Open 635 is exactly nothing like this one.

[Postie]

Postie, I'll be your neighbor-buddy.

Sure, I'll take you up on this. I have no read on you yet and idk what you're doing in the thread and idk what

I'm

doing in the thread so one-on-one sounds like a good idea.

Target me tonight with whatever as long as it isn't a killing action and if your action is the first to resolve via NAR then yay neighboursssss.

No one targets me tonight except massive.

If anyone interferes I'll take it as a scumclaim.

[Postie]

Well damn.

[Postie]

Klingoncelt, how about you?

[Postie]

What's the VC?

[Postie]

Why invest in RC though?

[Postie]

Well at least if you flip scum we know RC isn't your partner.

[Postie]

Actually that's a pretty towny role because if scum had it they could just choose when to kill the person off, which spoils the gambling aspect of the role somewhat.
Fuck.

[Postie]

I don't think you're making that up but at the same time this is apparently a bastard game with the potential for mod lies.
Ugh you're probably town though.

[Postie]

If really don't think Ircher made that role up.

[Postie]

Yeah, I

really

don't think Ircher made that role up. Or that any hypothetical scumpartners would have made it up.

shotty, I'm not sure that's a question the mod can answer but I really doubt players would be given fakeclaims in a game where anyone can be literally anything because the whole point of being given a fakeclaim is that scum don't have to claim a role that's evil-sounding and don't accidentally claim a role someone else has. That's not a problem in this game.

[Postie]

Also, what would that be a fakeclaim for? What would a role like that be designed to cover for?

[Postie]

If he were a Mafia JOAT couldn't his fakeclaim just be Town JOAT? Why the hell would the mod put that much effort into a fake role?

[Postie]

Hey now that the Ircher/Postie-scumteam theory is dead in the water maybe people can start talking about other things and I can actually get shit done.

[Postie]

Oh yeah I can agree with you on Klingon. I'd be thinking Fate for scum if it weren't for someone somewhere saying that they were good at reading Fate and 100% confident they were town.

[Postie]

good to know fate hasn't changed. This is town fate. I've had good luck sheeping him, postie tomorrow I'll be looking at you.
VOTE: ircher

Oh it was shotty.

[Postie]

Maybe.

I got weird vibes from Clumsy and CatDog when they were posting. They should get back in here and talk to me.

[Postie]

VOTE: Clumsy

Speak.

shotty, why haven't you unvoted Ircher yet?

[Postie]

438 should have been accompanied by an unvote. Why wasn't it?

[Postie]

Most of your case was predicated on me being scum with Ircher.

[Postie]

Well it's a confirmable claim so?

[Postie]

And I'm not really seeing where you think I used it to rolefish.

[Postie]

Also

Clumsy is more of a neutral to townlean for us. His posts seem really natural and generally townie. He hasn’t done a ton yet, but we’re getting good vibes from him so far.

Gimme more details on this?

[Postie]

VOTE: massive

[Postie]

That's the shittiest doubtcasting and justification of a continued vote on town I've ever seen.
massive can die.

[Postie]

"hey massive do you have night actions?"

"no?"

"how about you rc?"

That's not what I said though.

[Postie]

How about this: if you were a reflexive neighbouriser how would you organise who got into the hood and how would it be different from what I did?

[Postie]

That reach lmao. Happy with my vote on you.

[Postie]

Or maybe I'm just concerned that you wouldn't move your vote off someone who claimed an obvtown role and are now reaching for reasons to get on my wagon after I called you out on it.

[Postie]

No.

Vote massive.

[Postie]

I'd ask you to explain how but I don't really want to get into another pointless argument that spams the thread.

If you vote massive and he gets lynched and flips town then you have my blessing to lynch me tomorrow.

[Postie]

If you're still scumreading me at this point I don't think I can do anything to change your mind, RC. I think I've been pretty obvtown!Postie more recently if you're going by meta, but whatever.
You're either not trying hard enough to see past some of the superficial scumminess, or scum.

massive is dying today, with or without your support.

[Postie]

Orly?

[Postie]

I think massive is town though

Why?

[Postie]

So you treat him as scum for voting you and refusing to unvote you, he is scum for refusing to unvote a 'confirmed' town, but when you and RC refused to unvote actual confirmed town, you said it's town trait. Like, what the hell? It's one or the other.

No one was trying to lynch you though. The implication in massive's 457 is that he's still fine with Ircher getting lynched, which he 100% should not be. That is the difference.

[Postie]

No one was trying to lynch you though. The implication in massive's 457 is that he's still fine with Ircher getting lynched, which he 100% should not be. That is the difference.

[Postie]

He's more engaged then he usually is as scum
In College Mafia he was just kind of floating around, not pushing anyone, all game

I think I still have that game bookmarked; I'll go check it out. I'm not sure using meta on activity from a single game is such a great idea though.

[Postie]

And RC, how

would

town-Postie respond? Humour me.

[Postie]

Not sure I see how massive hasn't been disengaged and lurky this game. He only really started doing stuff when Ircher's wagon began to be dismantled and he decided he didn't want that.

[Postie]

Hmmmmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmfsdifsdfjmsdf,dfsnsdfn

Idk I might be tunneling a little too hard.

[Postie]

Talk to me about Klingoncelt?

[Postie]

Do you have any examples of her town play I can take a look at?

[Postie]

Her first couple of posts looked similar to her posts here. But coming in to say like one thing after a bunch of stuff had happened might be a bit off for her. Idk. I don't have a good grasp of her meta and I don't think I'm going to be able to read her until she posts more.

[Postie]

I should also probably mention that I don't think RC has been particularly scummy. I can buy that he buys his push on me. I considered him being scum earlier but I think I was expecting him to be better at reading me than is reasonable.

[Postie]

Yep, I don't believe his claim. Why do you?

I am Money (Insurance Agent). I targeted RC during pre-game. If RC dies, I gain 1-Shot abilities dependent on how long after I started the insurance policy that RC died. RC should've received a message from the mod along the lines of someone taking out an investment policy on them.

Also, as an fyi, one of the abilities (but it's like 9 phases to get) is Friendly Neighbor.

Last of all, I can change my target any night (this resets the reward thresholds though), and the old player will be notified that the insurance was canceled.

If you think Ircher came up with this himself then I don't know how to help you.

[Postie]

So let me get this straight. You think the mod got "Money" as a role request

Seems like something Ircher would submit.

and decided that was close enough to "Insurance" and just went ahead and made the role however he wanted it?

What do you pay for Insurance with?

And that it took Ircher three posts to disclose the full width and breadth of his role just because he was feeling expository?

All of the things Ircher said about the role later fit together and make sense and don't sound like afterthoughts. The fact that the information was spread out over several posts is actually

towny

because it reads like he already had all the information but had to keep checking bits from his role PM. If he (or a member of his hypothetical scumteam) was going to make up an elaborate fakeclaim like that he/they would have planned all the information and had it ready in one post.

[Postie]

What do you pay for Insurance with?

You realize this is like saying "He requested Money and got Cheeseburgers" and you're OK with that, right?

Yeah, kinda. Bad way of phrasing things. I'll put it another way: when I think of cheeseburgers the first thing I think of isn't money, whereas when I think of insurance the first thing that comes to mind is definitely money.

[Postie]

Wasn't Yume already voting me?

Idk what's going on anymore.

[Postie]

Klingoncelt, how about you?

No night actions.

You shouldn't rolefish like that. It's super-duper scummy.

Then just say "no, I don't want to neighbourhood with you" instead of volunteering that kind of information and then using as an excuse to accuse me of rolefishing?

[Postie]

If I have: shotty and Klingon need a rope. CatDog needs more pressure because I

really

don't like the way they pushed my lynch or their reads.

[Postie]

*If I have been hammered

[Postie]

Yume, when you find out I'm town will you promise me you'll focus on just getting townreads in future games and ignoring any reasons you think you have to scumread people?
Because whatever you're doing, it isn't working.

I don't care if this sounded scummy or whatever, it still stands, especially since you

literally just fucking hammered me without claim

. If you act this anti-town in any games with me again I'm just going to make sure I don't ever join any games that you're in.

[Postie]

RE: CatDog

I hated 183, especially this bit:

Clumsy is more of a neutral to townlean for us. His posts seem really natural and generally townie. He hasn’t done a ton yet, but we’re getting good vibes from him so far.

Feels like a "say something for the sake of saying something" kind of read and it just doesn't feel right in other ways but I'm having trouble explaining why.

They also said shit like

So why are you trying this hard to make someone you aren’t townreading see you in a positive light? This just seems like you

know

he is town, because it doesn’t make sense to try and appease someone who could be scum. Not only that, the rest of your posts are basically just flinging mud all over the place arguing with Yume. You seem unnatural and are just making noise for the sake of making noise. The soft claim at one vote just seems like you are scared and nervous, honestly.
VOTE: postie

"hey massive do you have night actions?"

"no?"

"how about you rc?"

But after I replied with stuff they didn't actually reply back properly and attempt to get more out of me.
Like they phrased things like they were directed at me but wouldn't actually engage with me.

So yeah that's why I'm putting a FoS down there.

[Postie]

My job is to catch scum, not believe you're town because you say so. If other people believed you're town, you wouldn't be at L-1 in the first place.

Fucking hell Yume I'm literally having to drop my final thoughts in a really crappy and disjointed way because the mod could come in any second and lock the thread. If you had at least stated intent then I could have had time to sort shit out properly and leave thoughts that could have been more useful.

You do not hammer without claim or stating intent.

This is basic stuff.

And guess what? There

were

people who thought I was town but scum wanted me dead since they couldn't have Ircher and it's because of people like you that they succeeded.
Sometimes people get put to L-1 because town is terrible and scum are doing their scum things, not because that person should be lynched.

[Postie]

My job is to catch scum

By the power of my townflip I hereby fire you from that job. Your new job is to catch town.

[Postie]

RC, I still think you're town so here's hoping you don't get nightkilled and can whack town into shape now that I'm out of the picture. I guess we've both had our fair share of misreading each other's meta now.

Here's a good luck bunny for everyone (who isn't scum)

Spoiler:

[Postie]

Oh yeah and I was a Reflexive Lover/Neighbor. I was hoping to avoid being lynched today and then loveighborize one of my scumreads so that I'd have like a kind-of vengekill the next day. Would have also had the potential to have scum give themselves away if suddenly some people didn't want me lynched anymore.
Meh.

Anyway, pretty sure there were at least one or two scum on my wagon so keep an eye on everyone who had particularly terrible reasons for getting on or continuing to push it.

[Postie]

Since I didn't get my vengekill, I'd like to request that shotty be vigged as my dying wish. <3

[Postie]

Do you really think scum would admit they're scum? No, they would say they're town till the end unless they're blatantly stupid.

Okay, fine, ignore anything I'm saying now. But

when

you see my flip, you take what I'm saying into account, okay?

[Postie]

Well that's all I'm asking. <3

[Postie]

again don't try and ate a vig over a personal issue. This isn't scummy it's bad play and soon may help you find your way to a blacklist near you.

I guess you missed the bit about me scumreading you.

[Postie]

...

Well now I feel dumb.

inb4 omg you obviously faked all that

[Postie]

I'm pretty sure there was at least one more vote on me by Klingon though.

[Postie]

Also I'm definitely not voting Yume right now. I should be showing up as voting massive.

[Postie]

Oh yeah

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[Postie]

massive why are you still on a dead wagon and have nothing to say about the game?

[Postie]

RRRCCCCCCC

;_______;

Can you just pretend I'm town for now?

[Postie]

RC if there's even the slightest chance of you reconsidering your read then, like, talk to me. Ask me stuff. Idk.

[Postie]

Fate is there any particular reason why we're not killing Ircher today? I stopped reading this game and this page is affirming my life choices.

I know you asked Fate, but, seriously go back and read Ircher's claim. I consider him close to conftown.

[Postie]

anyone still scumreading Ircher needs a kick in the pants

[Postie]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

This is fine too.
I'm not completely sold on shotty being scum anymore.

[Postie]

Postie-chan's posting on 23 isn't sincere~~~
Her reaction to the not-hammer was basically nothing. (">.<)

I think her role is designed for meanies; she doesn't get lynched, she can talk, but if she does, she takes them down with her! That doesn't sound very nice! >:I

If my role was designed for meanies and my posting wasn't sincere because I knew I hadn't been hammered then why would I claim my role? Like I've seriously managed to screw up any chance of getting to use it here ugh.
I suppose you could theorise it was a fakeclaim to discourage people from targetting me. Hmmn.

And my posting

was

sincere, Ranger-san!

[Postie]

Oh yeah, there's that too. Pretty sure Ircher wouldn't fakeclaim something like that if it wasn't true.

[Postie]

Unvote RC you muppets.
I'd like to see Klingoncelt lynched today.

[Postie]

Town!RC would absolutely withhold that kind of information in a stubborn attempt to get me lynched if he was convinced he was right. It's NAI.
There's no reason for Ircher to fakeclaim something like that unless he's a Jester so let's move on please.

[Postie]

He'll be less V/LA in two days, give it a rest until then.
Help us lynch Klingon instead.

[Postie]

We're not lynching RC. Stop.

[Postie]

Even if we don't lynch RC, I don't see what's wrong with stacking some votes to force the info out of him Postie.

Yeah because that's exactly the kind of thing that makes RC want to cooperate.

Here's roughly how I see that working out: He tells everyone he's not contributing until people stop voting him. People get pissed and more votes pile on, likely with scum's help. He gets to L-1 and self-hammers while shouting about how I'm scum in order to get me lynched the next day.

[Postie]

Ninja'd lmao.

[Postie]

And he does it as town too. It's clearly a NAI thing. Cakez you cannot be this bad.

[Postie]

Are you saying I'm not? :'[

Also it's quite clearly not me/RC. I

wish

.

[Postie]

Clumsy, I can tell you right now that RC is 100% serious.
Fucking unvote.

[Postie]

Sorry. I'm more frustrated with this situation than I am with you.

You should probably take a look at this, and RC's explanation of it post-game, which stars here.
He's not threatening to break the rules, because self-hammering isn't against the rules if you believe it's a pro-town thing to do. RC is kinda in a similar situation here, except he's incorrectly scumreading me. If you put him to L-1 I have every reason to believe he will self-hammer and believe he's being pro-town.

[Postie]

Like, I'm probably overreacting slightly because I doubt he'd hammer himself unless we were close to deadline, but he sure as heck isn't going to want to produce content or answer your question with votes on him.
This is just all round a wagon that I don't see ending well.

[Postie]

@Postie - It's my opinion, but I think RC is a better scumhunter than you; no offense intended here.

It doesn't actually matter to me.
And you're probably right.

[Postie]

I'd rather, you know, neither of us are lynched though.
Who (else?) are you scumreading at the moment?

[Postie]

Join us on Klingon?

[Postie]

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Cool. Wanna explain?

[Postie]

I'm townreading Clumsy

Why?

I don't think scum even remotely would defend one of the main drivers of their own lynch.

Tell me more about this.

[Postie]

Postie, why should I believe that you're town if I'm scumreading you as hard as I am?

Because you should know that when I'm town at times I prioritise doing pro-town things over looking town and that's mainly why I've been superficially scummy this game. You have no idea how much I would have censored the fuck out of most of the scummy shit I've done this game if I were actually scum.

[Postie]

RC can decide for himself if that's a helpful response or not.

[Postie]

Good thing that's not what I said.

[Postie]

How do you interpret that as "I'm being scummy on purpose to manipulate my meta"?

[Postie]

I didn't say that anywhere??

[Postie]

mainly why I've been superficially scummy this game.

"I'm being scummy on purpose."

Are you interpreting the word "superficial" to mean "on purpose" here? Because...

[Postie]

Sincerity of tone, similarity of thought process. Why aren't you similarly interested in why I might be townreading shotty?

Because I'm townreading shotty but I'm not townreading Clumsy.

How does it benefit scum-you to defend RC as town if all he's going to is drive your lynch? Sure, scum-you might try to use it to convince a rational player to back off their push, but RC doesn't work like that, and from what you've been saying about him, it's pretty clear you know that.

But the flip side is that town-you shouldn't be anywhere near trusting RC at this point -- but in order for me to believe this is what town-you would do, it necessarily MUST accompany a complete belief that RC is also town and will act in the town's best interest, neither of which are proven.

So WTF Postie, I'm confused.

That's... a better answer than I was expecting.
Not sure why you think I need to be 100% convinced that RC's town to defend him though. The wagon on him is/was terrible and uncalled for regardless of his alignment.

something something schrödinger's cat

Ftr, I'm like 75-80% sure he's town.

[Postie]

Oh yeah, RC unvoted. And I'm at L-1.
Looking forward to the high-pressure conversation that we're likely going to have soon.
I feel like I've just been given the task of defusing a bomb.

[Postie]

(but know, knowing him, that he will act in his own best interests rather than the town's best interests)

I don't know what you mean by this? He's going to act to his perception of town's best interests.

why is pressuring him to answer the question regarding Ircher's claim "uncalled for?"

a) because pressuring him to answer the question is going to make him less likely to want to answer the question
b) because the question isn't so important it needs a wagon since there's like a 0.1% chance Ircher made his "pregame soft" up

Also, this seems to say "even in the off chance RC IS scum, the wagon on him was still uncalled for." Do you believe that all wagons, regardless of target, should be founded completely in solid proof?

Uhhh, no, they just shouldn't be founded in complete terribleness.

Why not defend Ircher from his wagon as well? Because your vote there was the opposite of what you seem to be stating here.

Ircher was actually kind-of scummy originally though so we had a reason to wagon him.

[Postie]

Posts like this are just incredibly town, honestly. He is continuously trying to actually insure that town has adequate info about this situation.

things that look town motivated =/= things that are town motivated

Plus, we have adequate info. For the nth time, Ircher fakeclaiming that his role sent a notification to RC as scum is about as suicidal as scum fakeclaiming Friendly Neighbour. Clumsy's efforts don't help us at all.

Quite a few other posts by clumsy that are just solid? Clumsy would likely be more apt to egg townRC on as scum than try and get him to chill out.

Why?

Speaking of being scared of RC... postie is defending RC to the grave, and this comes off as if she KNOWS Rc is town. Shes coming off as hella desperate and it’s really weird that she’s

still

trying to get him to townread her when she wouldn’t know for sure if he’s town.

Yeah, because I totally wouldn't want to try and get RC to townread me if I thought he was town. Nope, I have to be 100% certain he's town before I'd even consider that.

[Postie]

very good point about defending rc

No it isn't. It was terrible the first time CatDog made it and it's still terrible now.
If CatDog is town they're being absolutely awful.

[Postie]

VOTE: postie
l-1
very good point about defending rc

I have no idea how I messed that quote up.

[Postie]

You could have at least

tried

to work with me before you instahammered.

At least you seem to be going in the right direction with your other scumreads.

[Postie]

RC, I still think you're town so here's hoping you don't get nightkilled and can whack town into shape now that I'm out of the picture. I guess we've both had our fair share of misreading each other's meta now.

Here's a good luck bunny for everyone (who isn't scum)

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