Literally Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Yume]

VOTE: Yume

No, RC, you are not voting me. It's a waste of vote cos I'll be dead anyway soon enough.

[Yume]

hmm.

Can anyone guess who I am?

Annie, Fire killer, with an ability to burn a player completely. Upon targeting them they die instantly are are unable to post in dead thread.

[Yume]

VOTE: SC

You doubt his Annie-ness, you must be scum.

[Yume]

VOTE: Yume

No, RC, you are not voting me. It's a waste of vote cos I'll be dead anyway soon enough.

Are you claiming that innocent child thing above? Also, why call out RC and not Postie?

VOTE: Fate
Something something pun.

Duh. My name is in the header.

[Yume]

Yume is IC. Again.

I am always IC. I rig the Upicks so that I'd always be IC.

[Yume]

@Ranger Why is I not in your list? You're quite mean yourself....

[Yume]

Ranger = Run Momoki confirmed.

[Yume]

VOTE: Postie

FOS: RC

Neither of you unvoted even after I was confirmed. It's slightly suspicious and I think I should at least know why.

[Yume]

In this case, yes. Since I cannot be targeted at all during night, your best bet is to try to lynch me. While I do die and the end of day 2, that's plenty of time for me to damage you.

[Yume]

They might if you use a convincing enough argument, i.e he/she brings town more harm than good. And you can't deny that scum want to get rid of IC as fast as possible.

[Yume]

Also, your posts seem rehearsed.

[Yume]

They might if you use a convincing enough argument, i.e he/she brings town more harm than good. And you can't deny that scum want to get rid of IC as fast as possible.

But you die at the end of day 2 so there'd be no point? Why go to the trouble of lynching someone who's going to die the next day anyway?

Because mod lies, that's why. He said he might lie to us except when it comes to alignment, so that clock thing may very well be a lie.

[Yume]

And also because 2 days is ample time to wreck scum.

[Yume]

Fine. *sigh* If no one wants me around, I guess I'll replace out....

[Yume]

So you all deny that scum want to get rid of IC?

[Yume]

Then explain why didn't they unvote me. Well, Postie didn't unvote me till I pressed her about it and RC has yet to unvote me. Explain why there are votes on me after confirmation. Like, I am confirmed, so everyone should unvote me.

[Yume]

1, because there's no threat there of actually lynching you. Do you really feel like you're in danger of being hung as an IC with 2 RVS votes on you? And I don't think RC has been on since, has he?

Do you think scum would really push for your lynch?

Yes, because they want to be rid of an IC. It's even there on IC page that the role is target for scum more often than not. And what they do if they can't kill it? They try to mislynch it.

[Yume]

And RC has been on since I was confirmed. He even made a post 'Yume is always IC' or something like that, but he didn't unvote despite making this observation. I can provide proof he was on after my confirmation and the posts he made after it too.

[Yume]

It's not the wagon that bothers me, but tht fact they didn't unvote after confirmation despite being on to post.

[Yume]

What Fate said. Dropping this conversation because it's pretty usless.

I think we still have people who haven't posted, right?

Do you really think town would avoid unvoting me on purpose?

[Yume]

I am trying to catch scum like the rest of you people. My reasoning is that scum would be trying to get rid of IC. Or is my reasoning wrong and scum want to keep IC alive? Scum don't want a conftown, no matter the skill of player who has that slot.

@Postie You and RC are scum. Case closed. I may be flawed, but even I know that scum wanting to get rid of IC is a given for scum. I will not suspect anyone else unless given a really strong reason, which none of you have provided.

[Yume]

And just saying 'you as a player are crap' won't change the fact that many players have stated that IC is a big target for scum whether in MD or in games themselves.

@Ircher Actually, he has.

@Postie Yes, you change it to another wagon the moment I call you out on it. How townie to change vote instantly after someone calls you out on bad vote.

[Yume]

17 and 22 are his posts after the confirmation. He hasn't unvoted in either as far as I can see.

[Yume]

No, but you just had to use UNVOTE: tags. You didn't need to change votes.

[Yume]

I'll latch onto whatever I think is scummy. I can link you thousands bad reasons people latched onto scum and successfully ousted them. Case in point, no one would actually say 'oh Yume is right, I am scum, sorry sorry sorry' so it's up to us to identify them using whatever means neccessary.

[Yume]

Well, that method also pegs you and RC as scum, cos I get town vibes from everyone else who has posted.

[Yume]

@Postie Also, why so obsessed by getting me off you? I die at the end of Day 2 anyway, hooray, you get rid of me! Why then are you trying to get me to not scumread you? If you are town, you should be ignoring me till then.

[Yume]

But like you said, one or two votes on you isn't a big deal, and you had two at best, and that was before Ircher changed his. It's not like anyone is gonna follow that wagon given that others consider us a liability.

[Yume]

And Postie isn't Mod- confirmed town.

Oh, that's rich, cos you treat him/her as one. :/

[Yume]

But whatever, I wash my hands off it. If Postie turns out to be scum and endgames you, don't blame me.

[Yume]

I won't do what my scumread tells me to.

[Yume]

VOTE:YUME

So, there you have it, Clumsy. This disproves your little theory from earlier. You know, about town not doing that one thing.

[Yume]

Yeah, I don't understand either. Both called out Katsuki, so how come you see them so differently?

[Yume]

Okay, now I am wasted. Please do continue while I go drown in shame.

[Yume]

My first pick was An, but mod took An from me.

[Yume]

Possible list
1. Yuki Takeya
2. Taiga Aisaka
3. Mein

I cannot remember any more at the top of my head.

[Yume]

Because Ircher is a super easy mislynch and I don't think he is legitimately scummy. His "return to RVS" was bizarre but I don't think it's from scum.
And the wagon got to L-1 way too easily.

That is a stupid argument. My games nominated for BEST TOWN PERFORMANCES have involved some of the quickest and easiest scum lynches ever on the history of this site (one mini concluded in 3hrs game time between D1 and D2, while the other ended in about 3-4 days RL time).

Okay, enough snark. If you won't tell him, tell me why the hell did you vote me if you actually read the thread?

[Yume]

inb4 he says I am scum too :/

[Yume]

Lol, you believe those two? Their only case on him so far is that he dared to call them out on not unvoting me.

[Yume]

Oh, and

not game-related

@RC I hear you has an alt?

[Yume]

Why, I don't have an alt, I am an alt

[Yume]

Tactical nuke, incoming!!!!

[Yume]

I think that's the hammer.....Postie revoted.

[Yume]

Spoiler:

Why, I don't have an alt, I am an alt

I know who your main is. I like your alt much better fyi.

Bet no one knows who my alt is

Spoiler: Oh my God

Did RC rat me out?

[Yume]

Don't reveal that so casually. D:

[Yume]

Well, I read massive's link and some of Postie's posts look like the ones she made there when she was scum. I'll fetch them momentarily.

[Yume]

Yeah, I am happy with my vote. All you have said is 'not really' to every accusation? If it's none of these, what is it then? I more or less think you are scum trying to avoid lynch by laconically dismissing everyone's suspicion on you.

[Yume]

Stop with the laconic defense. If you are town, what do you have to lose by getting lynched. You are not scumhunting properly either, you are just defending everyone others suspect. I have had enough of this.

[Yume]

Well, guess what? In the game massive linked, you also used laconic defense and 'you don't know my play' argument and you were scum, so repeating that is doing you no favors.

[Yume]

Surviving isn't town priority.

[Yume]

Yeah, well, I wanted my neighborhood too in a certain finished game I played. I didn't get it. You don't always get what you want.

[Yume]

Tell it to someone who believes you. In certain game I cited above I also was a primary suspect. Know why? Because I wanted to avoid getting lynched. Why should Postie get the special treatment in that regard?

p-edit: SO DID I AND I DIDN'T GET IT. OMG.....

[Yume]

I got chewed myself for wanting to avoid getting lynched. Again, why should Postie get special treatment?

You know what? I debated not doing this, but I decided otherwise.

VOTE: Ircher

if only to deny my scumread their wish.

[Yume]

To get your neighborhood. You'd probably use it to convince another person that you are town.

[Yume]

You could fool anyone with your laconic defense even if you are scum. You almost fooled me.

[Yume]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

When you voted me despite me being an IC? Seriously, you all are acting clueless.....:/

[Yume]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

When you voted me despite me being an IC? Seriously, you all are acting clueless.....:/

>.>

<.<

Forget it, I am done. I'll just prodge from now on. It's not like I can convince any of you, so I'll just sit by and await my death. :S

[Yume]

The point is that Ircher accused you of not seeing that I am IC, not that I am getting lynched....stop trying to twist others' words.....

[Yume]

And I am the one called dumb when supposed town votes/refuses to unvote IC after they've been confirmed? Top kek.....

[Yume]

The point is that Ircher accused you of not seeing that I am IC, not that I am getting lynched....stop trying to twist others' words.....

Not much point in discussing with the IC, but that's not what happened.

Then what happened?

[Yume]

I mean, like, all I see are those and from them, it sure looks like it.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

[Yume]

Sigh...

Explain to me instead of just sighing!!!!! I cannot get into your head, I am not that well-tuned, dammit!!!!!

[Yume]

@Katsuki I mean, if you were in my shoes, you would be going 'how dare you vote me, I am IC, yadda yadda yadda' so stop. Please stop. You are adding to my insanity.

[Yume]

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

MY refusal to answer Q??? YOURE THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DODGING ALL MY QUESTIONS YOU SCUMFUCK

You are the one who refuses to explain stuff to me and others. >.>

[Yume]

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

MY refusal to answer Q??? YOURE THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DODGING ALL MY QUESTIONS YOU SCUMFUCK

You are the one who refuses to explain stuff to me and others. >.>

I already answered you out of respect for the fact that you're an IC, otherwise I would simply have ignored your comment.

Now I hope we can move on because I don't plan on addressing another post of yours on this matter.

You answered simply 'this is not the case'. You never told me why or how or gave any info besides that.

[Yume]

If you refuse to explain why or how I might just wagon you instead.

[Yume]

If you refuse to explain why or how I might just wagon you instead.

Go ahead and be as antitown as possible as a fucking IC. Knock yourself out, I give up.

Why do you refuse to explain? It's simple, just say because X, Y and Z and I will lay off. It can't be that hard. :/

But since you aren't going to do it and prefer being stubborn, I'll ask someone else. Can someone tell me why she thinks her voting IC after confirmation is town?

[Yume]

I gave you a response. You're just an absolute dumbfuck with a lack of comprehensive ability.

Where? Where did you say WHY it is not the case. You simply said 'this is not the case', you never said WHY. Or do you believe you should be excused for voting me after the confirmation by default?

[Yume]

I iso'd you and still didn't find an adequate response. Explain it to me in detail as if I am dumb, cos I am not able to get into your head and see what you are thinking.

[Yume]

And no one wants to explain to me what it meant still....*sigh*

[Yume]

VOTE: Katsuki

Explanation or else. >.>

[Yume]

If you explain what he meant, I will.

[Yume]

But what reason did he have to vote me after I confirmed in the first place? Was it just on whim or something? Cos I don't think so.....

[Yume]

I mean, if you two consider yourselves on a higher level, then there's literally no reason for town him to vote me after I was confirmed. This is why Ircher thinks it's scummy.

[Yume]

And as for me not getting lynched, that's bull. All scum has to do is paint me as liability, piggybacking on the opinions of you, him and Postie to achieve it.

p-edit: It's hard to believe that player on his level would do it on a whim. He should know better than that given that he is a veteran. He shoul've at least read the thread prior to throwing out a vote like that.

[Yume]

VOTE: Ircher

I am not gonna argue with you about this. You are impossible to convince anyway. However, if Ircher's scum, Postie is too.

p-edit: Again, if he considers himself a smart player, then doing it on a whim is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

[Yume]

And as for me not getting lynched, that's bull. All scum has to do is paint me as liability, piggybacking on the opinions of you, him and Postie to achieve it.

p-edit: It's hard to believe that player on his level would do it on a whim. He should know better than that given that he is a veteran. He shoul've at least read the thread prior to throwing out a vote like that.

YOU ARE SIMPLY FUCKING DELUSIONAL IF YOU THINK THAT AN CONFIRMED TOWNIE COULD BE LYNCHED IN ANY GAME DAY ONE.
THAT.
IS.
ALL.

IF YOU CANNOT GRASP THIS CONCEPT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT MOTIVES AROUND VOTING YOU IS A WASTE

And why not. You three consider me a liability. It's not impossible for scum to get me lynched on that basis.

[Yume]

And a question. What would you do if Katsuki turns out scum later. For all we know, he could be. Insisting that he is absolute town is also a mistake. There is only one absolute town in this game and that's me.

[Yume]

Guess what happened in previous Upick? You went with scum plan instead of your own. I wanted you to use your own instead. Maybe you should at least listen to what I have to say instead of just dismissing it as delusional.

[Yume]

Well, if Katsuki is town, he is going onto my blacklist. No town would be stupid enough to throw out a vote like that without reading. And if Ircher is indeed scum, then Katsuki enabled him to turn us against each other on his own. If he bothered to read prior to throwing out a vote like that, then Ircher would have had no leg to stand on.

[Yume]

You missed my other point there....

[Yume]

How about we just mass nuke everyone except me? That way, it's town win for sure. :3

[Yume]

No.

Vote massive.

But it was......

[Yume]

So you are playing denial game now? Sure, I'll provide some posts that say so in context.

[Yume]

So you treat him as scum for voting you and refusing to unvote you, he is scum for refusing to unvote a 'confirmed' town, but when you and RC refused to unvote actual confirmed town, you said it's town trait. Like, what the hell? It's one or the other.

[Yume]

It's slightly suspicious and I think I should at least know why.

Not really. Do you think scum would actually try and get an IC lynched?

Or maybe I'm just concerned that you wouldn't move your vote off someone who claimed an obvtown role and are now reaching for reasons to get on my wagon after I called you out on it.

Like really? I mean really? So not unvoting actual confirmed town isn't scummy, yet not unvoting someone who are confirmed town to themselves is? Like, really?

[Yume]

Then why vote me? And don't shoot excuses like 'on a whim'. For player of your calliber, voting on a whim is unacceptable.

[Yume]

I mean, I am giving you credit that you are a smart player. You're better than that.

[Yume]

Gonna trust RC on this one for now.

VOTE: Postie

She was my scumread from the beginning and that never changed.

[Yume]

Yeah, well, I got tired of it. Plus with her gone, gone will be the factor that makes it hard for me to read others.

[Yume]

And how do I know you aren't scum. FYI, scum could make that last post of yours too. >.>

[Yume]

My job is to catch scum, not believe you're town because you say so. If other people believed you're town, you wouldn't be at L-1 in the first place.

[Yume]

My job is to catch scum

By the power of my townflip I hereby fire you from that job. Your new job is to catch town.

Do you really think scum would admit they're scum? No, they would say they're town till the end unless they're blatantly stupid.

[Yume]

Only if you flip town, which you won't.

[Yume]

You aren't fooling me with that behaviour.

[Yume]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

You voted the IC 10 pages in.

So how is voting the IC alignment indicative? How does voting the IC make me scum?

From mafia town wiki

Obviously getting revealed as town will make you a target for the mafia's night kill

so it is best to avoid revealing yourself for as long as you can.

And since they cannot night kill, they resort to next best thing: voting. Of course, scum can just wait in this case, but that means giving time to weaken them which they can't afford. Losing members is suboptimal for scum. That's why it makes you scum.

[Yume]

According to that wiki, scum primary target is an IC when there is one, so yes.

[Yume]

Then explain why that website says ICs are a primary target. I studied several games on the site where at least one player was IC. They all got deaded. So you see, I know quite a bit about that role. Scum kill ICs. It was what happened in all of these games.

[Yume]

@Ircher You're wasting time there. He won't explain anything to anyone because he considers all of us superhumans who can get into his head and read his mind without him explaining anything.

[Yume]

Kinda sad how you can't differentiate the difference between a lynch and a scum night kill.

p-edit: @yume

Kinda sad how you miss the part where I can't fuckin be targeted. Suits your agenda to fake ignorance in order to achieve your wincon.

[Yume]

Read what? You never explained why. And if voted on a whim like Fate said, then that's unacceptable, cos a player of your skill level just doesn't vote without a fucking reason.

[Yume]

Not until he fucking explains himself.

[Yume]

Katsuki -- Can you ever answer a simple Q without insulting other people's intelligence/Using heavy WIFOM as a defense?

He can't.

[Yume]

Ircher voted him for "not paying attention" which I don't see how thats scummy at all. Lazy town frequently don't read the thread.

Yes its likely Katsuki voted you on a whim or an impulse, why would that be hard to believe

? Retroactively looking at it and arguing about is what has frustrated Katsuki to a point beyond discussing it

Because he is a veteran player and as such, doing it whim is unacceptable. If he holds me to a higher standard, then I am gonna hold him to a higher standard as well.

Consider this my prodge. I am still gonna wait and die.

[Yume]

VOTE: RC

Sorry, but there is no reason not to believe this guilty as of now.