Literally Anything uPick (Game Over)

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VOTE: Ircher

Cakey, why no love?

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Well you can rest assured I am town here. I U-Pick like a pro. Although I think I would have preferred being "The 'You Had Me At Hello' scene from Jerry Maguire."

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I don't know, Ircher, I've never been town in a game with you before, but I don't think you quite stand up to the BBT "always opposite alignment" test.

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I don't know what to make of Massive's "Don't worry I'm town" entrance.

It's null.

Man, you could at least say "it's entertaining" or "it's the highlight of the thread so far." "Null" is so boring.

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.... Rather weak imho.....

Game's bareky started, so that feels like an OMGUS tbh.........

Says the guy OMGUSing from previous games.

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Do you have trouble with hydras, Ircher? I don't really remember that from our other games together.

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When you ask those "could you can you" questions as scum, what ultimately is your goal? Why is it different than your goal in (say) 126?

[massive]

I guess what I'm looking for is, why would anyone consider basic politeness scummy? How do you go about finding answers to your questions when you're town, if not via polite questioning?

(And yes, I realize that this is Mafiascum and that this line of thought might get me laughed off the site, but seriously.)

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Seems like, between this game and post 508 of Open 636, that you do quite a bit of trying to tell people why your meta is wrong. Oh man maybe THAT'S why he's scumreading you! It's a meta meta!

BRAIN ASPLODE

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I've always wondered what Ircher would look like as scum. I tried to tell him in previous games (after I exploited it) that his gameplay is way too easy to lynch, and that that wasn't going to serve him well no matter WHAT alignment he was. Seems like that is still the case.

... that, however, in no way means he's town. So Postie, you're really going to have to walk me through that unvote.

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Massive what makes you think Ircher is scum here after what you just said?

Well my vote was RVS and I'm just riding the wave. I honestly don't know what Ircher's scum game looks like, so I can't say this ISN'T it, and I remember him being quite a flailer, so I wanted to see how he handles the pressure. The whole YOU SAID THERE WERE ONLY 2 MAFIA DIE SCUM DIE shouting is such a painful reach that I'm actually quite OK where I am.

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Never seen the word "laconic" used so many times in such a short number of posts. I don't even think I know what it means.

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Postie, I'll be your neighbor-buddy.

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Well, that might be a problem. I don't have any night actions.

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So let me get this straight, Ircher, you submitted "Money" in a Literally Anything U-Pick? Do I even want to know what else you submitted?

I'm going to wait for RM to post before moving my vote, if I even do.

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That's the shittiest doubtcasting and justification of a continued vote on town I've ever seen.

Pretty sure there's only one way you know he's town. So you want me to go down that route?

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I'm trying to figure out if you jumped too quick off your counterwagon and are now desperate to start another one, or what.

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Postie learned to bus from me.

Postie also learned shitty wagon pushing from you.

The implication in massive's 457 is that he's still fine with Ircher getting lynched, which he 100% should not be. That is the difference.

Yep, I don't believe his claim. Why do you?

Hmmmmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmnmfsdifsdfjmsdf,dfsnsdfn

And I post every day, I just don't have the wherewithal to post great content like this. Jeezus.

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If you think Ircher came up with this himself then I don't know how to help you.

So let me get this straight. You think the mod got "Money" as a role request and decided that was close enough to "Insurance" and just went ahead and made the role however he wanted it? And that it took Ircher three posts to disclose the full width and breadth of his role just because he was feeling expository? Because I think this looks EXACTLY like something Ircher would make up.

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Also... were we supposed to pick 3 things to send in? Did I miss that in signups? ._.

I sent in five or six. Needless to say I did NOT get my first choice.

What do you pay for Insurance with?

You realize this is like saying "He requested Money and got Cheeseburgers" and you're OK with that, right?

Why is it that everything single game I play with you, you deathtunnel me?

Well, in the first two games, I was scum, and you make it really easy. Which I told you after both of those games. And you have probably figured out by now (seeing as how you were forced to claim D1 in this game) that other people find your normal gameplay scummy. So the real question is, why do you still play like the light at the end of the deathtunnel?

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Just so you know, Postie, that whole exchange yesterday had me desperately wanting a cheeseburger last night.

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massive why are you still on a dead wagon and have nothing to say about the game?

It's day one, let's not get all worked up. Some people are super serious about this game. I am not.

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I'm fine with PLing you if we can agree elsewhere

See this is the kind of stuff where I'm like, no, I still want to lynch Ircher.

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{Cakez-san, Ircher-kun, Radiant-sempai}
{Katsuki-san, Fate-hakase}
{inu-neko-chan, shotty-hakase}
{Postie-chan}
{Clumsy-kun, Klingoncelt-chan}
{massive-san}
I'm so tireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed~~~
(v.v)

Ranger, how come I'm at the bottom of your list, but you'd rather vote for Postie? (And, maybe more importantly, why am I not massive-sensai?)

Catdog needs a kick in the pants. Not many people in this game I like working with, so either or both of hiplop/UTL would be nice.

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Yeah, I'm tired of this "voting the IC is scummy" crap too. We're not lynching Yume and we're not lynching anyone based solely on them voting for Yume. Move on.

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Did I say let's keep talking about this? I thought I said let's please drop this. But it's possible I may have typed that post on Opposite Day or something.

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Back.

@massive
Besides presumably me, who else do you scumread?

After reading through the weekend I'm townreading Clumsy and, maybe sadly, shotty. I know that's not answering the question, but it is what it is.

I need to have a think about RC and Postie, because Postie's defense of RC could easily be seen as going for town cred, but I don't think scum even remotely would defend one of the main drivers of their own lynch. And what's the point of this:

I'm not unvoting Postie.

and

I will answer that question in twilight if Postie gets lynched.

if he just moves his vote to Cakey literally twenty minutes later?

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I'm townreading Clumsy

Why?

Sincerity of tone, similarity of thought process. Why aren't you similarly interested in why I might be townreading shotty?

I don't think scum even remotely would defend one of the main drivers of their own lynch.

Tell me more about this.

How does it benefit scum-you to defend RC as town if all he's going to is drive your lynch? Sure, scum-you might try to use it to convince a rational player to back off their push, but RC doesn't work like that, and from what you've been saying about him, it's pretty clear you know that.

But the flip side is that town-you shouldn't be anywhere near trusting RC at this point -- but in order for me to believe this is what town-you would do, it necessarily MUST accompany a complete belief that RC is also town and will act in the town's best interest, neither of which are proven.

So WTF Postie, I'm confused.

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So this again is what is so exploitable about Ircher if you're scum, and now so frustrating about Ircher if you're town. This last attempt at blatant misrepping Postie serves no purpose: Postie is already at L-1 and there's plenty to read about and think about without the misrep if one were teetering on whether or not to vote. So is it just really bad town play, tunnelling on his perceived top scum read, or is it really obvious attempt by scum to push through a mislynch?

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And on top of that, that wagon on Postie looks TERRIBAD.

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WALK IT BACK BRO

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Not sure why you think I need to be 100% convinced that RC's town to defend him though. The wagon on him is/was terrible and uncalled for regardless of his alignment.

If you're 75/80% RC is town (but know, knowing him, that he will act in his own best interests rather than the town's best interests) why is pressuring him to answer the question regarding Ircher's claim "uncalled for?"

Also, this seems to say "even in the off chance RC IS scum, the wagon on him was still uncalled for." Do you believe that all wagons, regardless of target, should be founded completely in solid proof? Why not defend Ircher from his wagon as well? Because your vote there was the opposite of what you seem to be stating here.

I want to townread you, Postie. Help a brother out.

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I don't know what you mean by this? He's going to act to his perception of town's best interests

His perception is rubbish then. We're talking about the guy refusing to give town information on a relevant wagon, and the guy who threatened to self-lynch in a temper tantrum if he was continued to be pressured. Show me the "town's best interests."

Ircher was actually kind-of scummy originally though so we had a reason to wagon him.

Would you like to go back and speak about this? Because your vote was naked and you interacted with him exactly once before voting him.

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Oh for. Why do I even bother to write and think things out.

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Man my Scum Theater bells are ringing.

RC balking on his promise to answer the question about Ircher's claim is trash.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

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WHY ARE WE QUICKLYNCHING?????

Thanks for reminding me I want you to hang as well still.

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Content with my vote. RC, you should tell your buddy Ircher not to vote right after you and make it obvious.

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Seems a nasty thing to do to the guy who's been banned from the thread and can't defend himself. Maybe you have good reasons why Fate needs to die?

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Confirmed town <> confirmed correct. Aaaaaand you should know that.

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Well, he's wrong, but probably can't actually do anything other than vote to explain it, and I don't want him to do anything to explain it.

Ranger going along with it makes sense, she was claiming to scumread me yesterday.

Ircher is probably still scum and is lining up mislynches (since I doubt Fate-scum makes quite so grand a gesture). Never mind that what he quoted me about was about him flat-out believing RC, and he somehow managed to twist it to be about Fate.

Katsuki's been blind-voting with the wind the whole game, so this isn't scummy in itself, but the whole pattern could be.

I don't know about Shotty. I don't think Shotty pushes so hard on Postie if he's scum.

The real interesting response in there is probably Catdog, who seems happy to stay away from this wagon (and the game in general) and feign "misunderstanding"

VOTE: Ircher

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Ew. That's a nasty piece of scum business then. I guess town best hope that Fate's vote doesn't count.