Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[Nahdia]

good morning.

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Nahdia]

all squirrels look the same to me...

[Nahdia]

This is Ranger's towngame.

[Nahdia]

catching up.

Ranger is town like I said
Beebs' reaction to me saying so was poor. kinda felt like a reflexive "discredit the town finding other town" tbh. Guess we'll see where that goes tho.
diggin' pieguyn's sorting even if I'm not 100% on board with some of their reads.
i like beeboy's 91 a lot, actually.
by post 93 i' hope Nina is doing more than naked voting.... but then, I guess I'm not the best in terms of explaining myself all the time either.
ooooooooook 106 was awkward as hell. does Nina usually do goofy crap like this? cause for me it looked liked scum trying to establish a tone.
for w/e reason that miller claim feels skeevy to me. the "townslip" argument is kind of a major stretch, too.
starting to get nervous about pieguyn... they seem to be proactively sorting but I keep coming out with the opposite perspective on events as them.
i've looked over TSQ and the wagon on him a few times an I really don't get any strong opinions on it either way. the way TSQ defends his self-hammer is a bit of a ping for me, but he lampshades it and claims he always does that so meh?
136 feels a bit forged in terms of a reaction to a sudden wagon on you.
yeah the role fishing argument is a huge stretch tbh. that wasn't role fishing at all.

[Nahdia]

Ranger is town like I said
Beebs' reaction to me saying so was poor. kinda felt like a reflexive "discredit the town finding other town" tbh. Guess we'll see where that goes tho.

You said a claimed innocent child was town.
That doesn't help anyone sort anyone elses alignment.

I don't see the mod confirming ranger's alignment, so I don't really care about what she says she is. she's town.

[Nahdia]

like, hey guys, I'm gonna be mod-confirmed as town at some point in this game too. but you don't have to take my word for it. please, read me.

[Nahdia]

and I seriously don't care about speculating what the mod may or may not do or what mechanics may or may not exist in regards to her role. this is her town game, i'm pointing it out as such.

[Nahdia]

i think beeboy is town for the logic posting tho, even though he's flagrantly missing the point.

[Nahdia]

starting to get nervous about pieguyn... they seem to be proactively sorting but I keep coming out with the opposite perspective on events as them.

which reads do you disagree with and why?

I didn't like the timing of your beeboy townread (i do townread him now but at the time you said he was town i had him as mixed vibes), and I didn't really like the TBG read. not saying that like, you were logically incorrect to have those reads. it's just, in my reading I kind of got the opposite impression from both of those situations

I'm not really satisfied with Nahdia coming in here and happening to push both TSQ and Nina as scum, though the rest of her catchup seems ok.

not so much pushing either as I am just giving my raw thoughts as i catch up. i don't really have anyone i really really wanna flip atm.

[Nahdia]

I didn't like the timing of your beeboy townread (i do townread him now but at the time you said he was town i had him as mixed vibes), and I didn't really like the TBG read. not saying that like, you were logically incorrect to have those reads. it's just, in my reading I kind of got the opposite impression from both of those situations

can you elaborate more on the TBG read? also I can explain the beeboy read if you want.

p-edit: :<

there's... not much to elaborate on? the miller claim felt skeevy to me. that's just a gut feeling. his logic on beeboy "townslipping" felt like a really huge stretch. i agree with your point that scum isn't likely to point out townslips especially so early, but i don't think it was a townslip and i think the logic he employed as possibly disingenuous. ie he was trying to just have a read and came up with something wild.

[Nahdia]

yeah sorry ranger im p sure i see exactly what your motivations re here but even with that in mind i think it's better for us to be flipping scumreads. we likely get conftown out of it anyway.

[Nahdia]

townreads atm are
Ranger, beeboy, pieguyn

i also have a weird gut townlean on UTL but don't quote me on that shit it kind of just happened reading one insignificant post and im probs just being a bad and it's NAI.

need people to post more substance. today i'm thinking we want to use the color flip on someone relatively active though, so they'll be useful as a clear. does anyone object to that?

VOTE: Nina

[Nahdia]

Mmmm, super ambivalent about bee's replacement tho.

What post town! Pinged you, nahds?

also, tsq and lala need prodding

on beeboy? his arguing about me on the ranger read. didn't feel like a fight scum would bother picking.

i forgot dwlee took the slot tho. not much to see wrt his participation.

[Nahdia]

I meant flip, not lynch, sorry.

And I still would prefer to flip someone I'm not sure of, not someone I'm townreading right now.

this one.

probably NAI i just had a gut feeling UTL is town from it.

[Nahdia]

p sure that was already asked. assuming you're gonna get to it in your catchup. if you don't see it lemme know and i'll try to explain again [=

[Nahdia]

non-alignment indicative

[Nahdia]

Aristophanes

What makes Ari town?

[Nahdia]

funny, i was about to say ur scum, spiff.

[Nahdia]

glad we're able to come to an agreement on the humor of this situation.

[Nahdia]

do you have any response to this, and can you elaborate in more depth on why you think Spiffeh is scum?

i dont really see the point in asking someone who never gives explanations to elaborate on something. maybe my tone is off. i play different in different games. what little content spiff has as well as his relative disconnect from this game are the basis for my scumread.

[Nahdia]

ah yes. fear.

did you notice what happened the last time i tried to engage him?

[Nahdia]

u wanna talk about disingenuous, look in a mirror ms 254

[Nahdia]

no, im not callin u scum. im callin u disingenuous. town can do that, sometimes.

shea/tsq, i want you to be town but your posting doesn't look town to me :/ i'm prob wrong about either nina or shea since they're going after each other but i think this slot is more likely = = = scum

in all honesty, this explicitly reads like she's attempting to line up a TSQ/Nina dichotomy when there's no good reason for it - I don't really have any idea of what her thought process behind this conclusion actually was.

this is what im referring to.

[Nahdia]

the part I take issue with is specifically "i'm prob wrong about either nina or shea since they're going after each other". that just read like a bullshit throwaway statement she threw in as an afterthought, rather than having any kind of thought process behind it. I don't understand why, if she thought this, she didn't actually stop to give it any consideration when analyzing the game. nowhere in her reads list or in her catchup did she ever actually try to address the interactions between those two or figure out which one she was wrong on - she was perfectly content just calling them both scum and leaving it at that.

anyone reading the game can comprehend why someone skimming to catch up would set a dichotomy between those two slots. you don't have to agree with it, but you're essentially suggesting ducks pulled it out of nowhere. if that's not disingenuous, it's ignorant.

again, it is something that points more to her just posturing here

possibly, but i see the potential town thought process as extremely obvious whereas you're implying it's invisible.

also I still don't understand what you're trying to say in 265.

you're suggesting i fear elaboration on a scumread on me from a guy who had 5 minutes prior answered just "Gut" when I asked him to spell out a townread. ridiculous.

[Nahdia]

ok first off i think you misinterpreted a bit of what i said but beyond that it's like wow i pretty much disagree with everything you just wrote.

[Nahdia]

and i mean, spiffy kind of did already explain his scumread on me. and i dont really think anything he said was particularly unfair. so yeah.

[Nahdia]

town players don't usually see an argument and, with no analysis of what is actually being said in the argument, think "one of these people is scum". that just isn't something that happens.

this in particular is just flat out wrong tbh. i think ur making the mistake of using your own playstyle as a standard to keep every townplayer ever to.

[Nahdia]

i haven't really bothered to come up with a townread on lala yet. im mostly just enjoying giving you a hard time.

[Nahdia]

any sort of read on lala*

[Nahdia]

maybe i just wanna be your friend, pieguyn. have u ever considered that? maybe im just socially awkward and dont know how to initiate friendship so instead i followed you into this mafia game to tease you. it's like how boys would throw toys at us in kindergarten and you'd get lumps on your head and complain to the teacher and they'd be like "aww that just means he likes u". did that ever happen to you? it is me. i am the kindergarten boy.

[Nahdia]

im a 3rd party and my wincondition is to mess with pieguyn. if pieguyn make at least 3 posts which consist primarily of expressing exasperation at my trolling, i win the game immediately and everyone else loses.

[Nahdia]

are you guys ready for a freakin' fantastic game because i know i am.

[Nahdia]

i guess i would vote lala for a flip i wasn't particularly impressed or unimpressed with their catchup. i do agree with them tho that Nina and TSQ may have a scum in it, mostly bc i have a good number of townreads elsewhere and it just seems likely.

i remember spiffeh was like, really really excited about this game starting so him being so disconnected from the game makes me think he might be bummed he flipped scum or something. idk if spiffeh prefers townflips or scumflips tho.

sextuple post

[Nahdia]

pieguyn where'd u go come back

[Nahdia]

any sort of read on lala*

[Nahdia]

nina, tsq, ducks, spiffeh

i'd flip in those.

[Nahdia]

i wonder if the fact that my new avi is red will make people unconsciously associate me with mafia faction and scumread me more

[Nahdia]

If nina flips red, I'm assuming itle scumslipped.

i wouldn't necessarily say excluding someone from your reads is a 100% partner tell but i agree it'd be suspicious.

[Nahdia]

i wasn't committing to any firm scumreads because it's the first day of the game and no one has really strongly scumtold. woe is me, lost in a game with a competent player list.

[Nahdia]

do u want me to link my other games i've played with spiffeh?

[Nahdia]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65873 Buzzfeed
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65649 Soccer Spirits

we were both town in both.

[Nahdia]

it's more just surprising you didn't have anything to say on either of them. esp nina since they've been something of a focal point.

[Nahdia]

LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS
TO DEFEAT
THE SCUMS
DID THEY SEND ME LURKERS
WHEN I ASKED
FOR CRUMBS?

YOU'RE THE SADDEST TOWN
I EVER MET
BUT YOU CAN BET
BEFORE WE'RE THROUGH
SOMEHOW I
WILL TOTES SORT
ALL OF YOOOOOOUUU

[Nahdia]

TOWNY AS AN IC
BUT A SCUM PM
ONCE I ISO YOU
I SURE WILL FIND THEEEEMMM

YOU'RE A VI, LOST, AND SCUMMY LOT
AND YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUUEEE
SOME HOW I
WILL TOTES SORT
ALL OF YOOOOUUU

[Nahdia]

i tried doing the rest of the song but meh.

[Nahdia]

FIND THE SCUM
YOU MUST BE SWIFT AS A SNEAKY NINJA
FIND THE SCUM
WITH ALL THE FORCE OF A GREAT STRONGMAN
FIND THE SCUM
WITH ALL THE STRENGTH OF A RAGING RC
AND CLEVER AS THIS REWRITE OF MOOLAAAAANNNNN

[Nahdia]

mulan* wow kill me

[Nahdia]

keely please edit that.

[Nahdia]

MOOLAAAAANNNNN

DAMMIT KEELY

[Nahdia]

Pie you can have a townread +1

what was your read on Spiffeh again?

I was actually contemplating moving over there cos I don't want to run this into a deadline scramble and it still doesn't look like there's much consensus over whether we're trying to flip town reads or scum reads or something else, and it seems people are complacent with flipping Nina (despite the fact that there basically has been no reasoning given for scum reading her outside of her entrance post, and the link to Spiffeh which is really meh and not well-reasoned even if she *does* wind up being scum). Spiffeh, itle, and obviously lala are all much better wagons, tbh.

Nina has had more content that Spiff. I don't follow ya, pieguyn.

also ranger what teh FRICK i am TOTALLY charismatic.........

[Nahdia]

cute as frick: nahdia

[Nahdia]

still think this is Ranger's towngame tbh.

[Nahdia]

i would explain it but it would actually be detrimental for the motivations she has. it's one of those things you'll kinda just have to trust me on.

i'm down for lynching in Spiff/lala/tsq.

[Nahdia]

oh right tsq is katsuki now.

yeah i'd lynch katsuki too.

[Nahdia]

so what's the case on ducks besides "her readslist seemed vapid" or is that it?

meanwhile

VOTE: spiffeh

[Nahdia]

so what's the case on ducks besides "her readslist seemed vapid" or is that it?

meanwhile

VOTE: spiffeh

i don't know if this is a misrepresentation or if you're just mixing up my point but i don't really like you handwaving basically everything i've wrote about her this game as "her readslist seemed vapid". even if you don't agree with my point, i've explained in death why i specifically think that the *way* she caught up and formed her reads wasn't town-oriented, and why the reasoning she gave behind her reads seemed fake, not just "vapid". i've also pointed out that her "i didn't have any time to look through Nina/TSQ more" is just a bullshit excuse she gave to stall the wagon out, as even when she *did* have time, she didn't do it.

tl;dr

[Nahdia]

no sorry i was just messing with you again.

i guess i was oversimplifying but i was wondering if there was anything you're seeing as scummy from her besides that readslist because she does have other content now.

[Nahdia]

that seems...... unlikely.

[Nahdia]

dont lynch me i love you

[Nahdia]

pip's defense actually feels p genuine to me. i dig it. not sure what about it is, i just like it.

also hey there's something i wanna bring up but i dont wanna do it now so if i dont remember next game day, someone pls quote this an be like "yo nahdia what was going through your beautiful brain back in this post?"

i dont want lala today. i want spiffeh.

[Nahdia]

psh, semantics. i consider "explaining yourself" to be a form of a defense even if you weren't in the hot seat.

[Nahdia]

considering whether pie is scum actually
hm
hmm
just thinking out loud here but
like she's trying really hard to get rid of me??????????????? is it b/c she ACTUALLY thinks i'm this much of a scumfuck orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........
ducksgoat
is a thing i used to enjoy saying
b/c ducks + scapegoat = ducksgoat
lolhaha how clever
in the one previous game (open pyp x/y maybe 593?) i played w/ her i was pretty much like this and she was able to correctly discern my alignment ? i think. i'll go back and check sometime
no promises for exactly when but sometime
frustrated tho

cute post but nah p positive pieguyn is town at this point.

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:

i think im votign spiff rn and im not really sure i wanna vote spiff anymore

[Nahdia]

Nina's vote is pretty opportunistic in timing and I don't like it.

But she's blue, friend.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: katsuki

[Nahdia]

how could i possibly have a read on aris

[Nahdia]

oh hey the guy has 27 posts that's a shock.

ok 1 sec i'll get back to u on that.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Zulfy

probably never unvoting this.

[Nahdia]

im semi-vla this weekend but since the day ends soonish anyway i'm not gonna both officially informing the mod. yolo.

zulfy is scum tho. page 25 is just him scumclaiming over and over and over and over and over and

[Nahdia]

Ducks.. um. I wasn't in Puppy Mafia, I modded it...

ahahaha
What does this mistake mean?
Lala could you answer why you made this mistake?

any sort of read on lala*

This and the post above look like a scumslip. They look like a scumslip because it looks like Nahdia is basically admitting that at the end of the day she plans on townreading lala. Town doesn't plan on townreading anyone, they just read how they read. The nadhiaying that follows just makes it look that more suspish.

UNVOTE:

You could have told me that the color flip had happened but you chose not to.

VOTE: Pieguyn

this is scum posting.

[Nahdia]

picking apart things that absolutely don't mean anything whatsoever in order to manufacture "factually justified" votes.

scum 101.

[Nahdia]

Nope nope nope.

Never unvoting you. For real this time. I might vote elsewhere for tomorrow's color flip if you survive today but for lynch votes I am only ever voting you.

[Nahdia]

actually wait i didnt realize we're this close to the deadline people are just gonna apathy lynch aristo unless i do this arent they

Gladiate: Zulfy

[Nahdia]

choo choo all aboard the zulfy train

[Nahdia]

pretty sure cheet has the auto page-top script going so.

[Nahdia]

why the everliving fuck would you wait until 20 hours before the deadline to use this?

cause im pretty darn sure Zulfy is mafia now? and i wasn't 21 hours before the deadline?

[Nahdia]

i gladiated because you tried to force a slip where there isn't one.

[Nahdia]

I think you deliberately used it right before the deadline hit so that people would just default into lynching him without thinking critically about it.

well yeah, that's part of it. but also because he scumclaimed like, just now.

[Nahdia]

well i mean im town so it wasn't a scumslip at all.

[Nahdia]

aw cheet u shoulda waited longer

[Nahdia]

haha u have become an unwitting passenger aboard my ruse cruise

[Nahdia]

there was literally nothing alignment indicative about the post. it doesn't even make sense as a slip. you're scum bc you're trying to pull justification for a scumread out of something flimsy but call it hard justified bc of a "scum slip".

[Nahdia]

like, every other player passed that post and said nothijng about it. but clearly, bc u said so, it's absolutely alignment indicative.

no. no no no. forcing fake slips is absolutely a massive scumtell and i'm lynching u for it.

[Nahdia]

OK I will fucking kill you.

scum slip!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!!11!!1!1!!1one!1!

[Nahdia]

wow a fan of my work

[Nahdia]

want an autograph?

[Nahdia]

oh my god.

i said the wrong word.

[Nahdia]

it's literally just a case of me writing the wrong word because "town" often comes before read and i just autopiloted it.

[Nahdia]

But I'm sure you can see how I can think it's a slip.

Also what happened to the other two quotes on me that made you "gladiate" me? You said I was virtually scumclaiming all over the page but it seems the only one you're actually concerned with is the one that points to you.

they're along the same lines. we're talking about this one because it pertains to me.

[Nahdia]

picking apart things that absolutely don't mean anything whatsoever in order to manufacture "factually justified" votes.

scum 101.

[Nahdia]

I should be around for the deadline.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Nahdia]

also hey there's something i wanna bring up but i dont wanna do it now so if i dont remember next game day, someone pls quote this an be like "yo nahdia what was going through your beautiful brain back in this post?"

nevermind on this.

[Nahdia]

Hi Spiffeh.

Reads, please?

VOTE: Katsuki.
Know how I wanted pie flipped yesterday?
Yeah, if scum have the ability to grant a color-flip, I don't see anyone else they'd use it on. This,

regardless

of whether he's town or scum. If he's scum he'd be painted blue; if he's town he'd be painted red. Katsuki, on the other hand, makes a great flip.

Yeah, no. Literally my entire gameplan yesterday was blindly townreading pieguyn outloud because I wanted them to feel secure. If scum painted anyone on their own team, it's definitely

not

pie, everyone was loudly townreading her except you. The thing I quoted earlier was literally going to be me saying pieguyn is scumread of mine and I want her color flipped because I think it'll still be reliable.

The Aristophanes flip changes things though.

[Nahdia]

Flip me baby one more time.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Zulfy

[Nahdia]

cool.

[Nahdia]

once i flip blue we lynch zulfy yes?

[Nahdia]

I'll hammer me if I gotta.

[Nahdia]

in case it's not

VOTE: nahdia

[Nahdia]

suck it.

[Nahdia]

^_^

[Nahdia]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: ZULFY

[Nahdia]

Nahdia, do you have any reads outside of Zulfy?

ummmm....

dwlee's town, you're town, Ranger is nullscum.... if i have others i dont remember them.

[Nahdia]

bc i said so.

[Nahdia]

i remember thinking her reads were really really weird.

[Nahdia]

because zulfy was/is scummier.

[Nahdia]

i dont really care if u scumread me, pieguyn.

[Nahdia]

step OFF girl. you're asking me if i considered the ramifications of me sitting on a vanity wagon until the last second. those ramifications being that "it would appear scummy". and im telling you that no, i didn't, because i dont particularly give a shit. i sat on the zulfy wagon on a matter of principle because he is my desired lynch. i didnt particularly have an opinion on your aristo push and if u have a problem with that then sux to be you.

[Nahdia]

i flipped blue so idk what more u want from me, yo. i'm not a godfather or w/e, ok?

[Nahdia]

i will vote my vanity wagons and you will fucking deal with it.

[Nahdia]

Local Townslot Catches Scum; Doesn't Particularly Give A Fuck About What Other People Are Bickering About. more on this at 11.

[Nahdia]

step OFF girl. you're asking me if i considered the ramifications of me sitting on a vanity wagon until the last second. those ramifications being that "it would appear scummy". and im telling you that no, i didn't, because i dont particularly give a shit. i sat on the zulfy wagon on a matter of principle because he is my desired lynch. i didnt particularly have an opinion on your aristo push and if u have a problem with that then sux to be you.

if you didn't have an opinion on my Aris push, why were you scum reading me at that point in the game?

Bella can be town.

@itle,

can you respond to these?

what specifically don't you like about it? is there a part of his reasoning or the way he's pushing it that comes off as disingenuous?

you mean to say it agrees with your reads or? what exactly about it makes it "godreads"?

this.

and no, the ramification of this is that from your POV, with the reads you had, the obvious conclusion should have been that I was hard pushing a mislynch on Aris to save Katsuki as my partner. that is not something you would "not give a shit" about, especially if you thought I was in so strong of a position that you'd have to color-flip me in order to get me lynched.

ok i see your point but quite frankly i just didn't think of it from that angle. i know you're gonna be unsatisfied with this answer but that's all there is to it. aristo was a lurksack and i didn't feel the need to defend him.

[Nahdia]

you seemed to give enough of a fuck to play an entire day phase attempting to trick me into thinking you had a town read on me.

???

because saying "i think pie is town" is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much effffffffffffffooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttt

[Nahdia]

im a 3rd party and my wincondition is to mess with pieguyn. if pieguyn make at least 3 posts which consist primarily of expressing exasperation at my trolling, i win the game immediately and everyone else loses.

[Nahdia]

is this going somewhere

[Nahdia]

sorry to disappoint but yeah it was p much just that one haphazard post where u said bella "can be town" which pinged me like a rager pings his lane while getting ganked.

that is, a lot.

[Nahdia]

no, no, no. there is a huge difference between saying "I think pie is town" and structuring your entire game around giving me a false sense of security/making sure I don't catch on to you scum reading me, because it's that important that you're able to color flip me the next day (i.e. just as one example I can think of, even if you said something along the lines of "I'm weirded out by pie's post X", that would potentially tip me off and ruin what you were going for...) thinking I'm in such a good position as scum and thinking that the only way to lynch me is to get me color-flipped is incongruous with you now apparently claiming you weren't putting any effort into making sure my color-flip would be accurate.

i think u should read what u just wrote here and really ask urself if it makes any sense because im a card carrying member of mensa and idk what ur on about tbh yo

[Nahdia]

you said in 750 your entire gameplan yesterday was hard townreading me so that my color flip today would still be reliable, and that everyone besides Ranger was town reading me. it is clear that this was motivated by you thinking I was in such a good position that the only way you'd be able to get me lynched is by color-flipping me. I've outright said that the optimal play for scum in this setup, if given the chance, is to paint one of themselves blue immediately. thus, in order for this to work, it would have to have been of utmost importance to keep the read on me 100% hidden - if I so much as suspected you scum reading me, then there would have been a very good chance I would color-flip myself, breaking the plan.

this is not something that is trivial to do. in addition to openly hard townreading me, you can't so much as hint that you might have a scum read on me, and there are close to infinite ways this could happen... for instance, you can't comment on any of my posts striking you as off, you can't say that you take major issue with any of my reads, you can't back up anyone else who happens to scum read me (or even profess a town read on them in a way that makes it obvious you back up their read on me), you can't hint that you dislike the composition of a wagon I'm pushing, or a whole bunch of other things... it's something you'd have to be thinking about fairly consistently, since even if you so much as made it obvious there was something up with the way you were playing, without hinting at all as to what it was, I might have suspected you'd flip out on me.

now you're acting as though all you had to do was just throw out "I think pie is town" a few times, which is completely incorrect. moreover, if the read on me was really that important to you, it doesn't even make sense. you can't say that your entire plan yesterday was to give me a false sense of security, and then turn around and say that all you did was make a few throwaway comments about me being town - that is what I mean when I say "incongruous"

add to that the fact your actions around deadline don't line up with having me/Katsuki as scum reads and I don't get the impression you're really forming reads here. it reads to me more like you thought the Zulfy push was a good way to generate town-looking content and act like you had a read you believed strongly in, and there it was.

you're seriously overestimating the amount of thought i'm putting into this game, pieguyn my friend. i think you're falling into the trap that many highly competent players do where they hold every other slot to the same standard they hold themselves. put yourself in my mindset, the mindset of someone of someone who is proverbially too cool for school, and maybe you'll see where you went wrong.

[Nahdia]

like, the decision to loudly townread you and then try to get you flipped the next day was one i made in an instant when you made a particular post i felt was really really really scummy. it didn't inform my entire play the whole day. it just informed a few posts of my play. saying it was my entire gameplan was an exaggeration on my part because i can.

[Nahdia]

whoops.

we should really be lynching Zulfy.

[Nahdia]

sure is a lot of words im not going to read itt

[Nahdia]

carefull pie, dwlee is a minor.

[Nahdia]

S_S is town

now let's lynch Zulfy

[Nahdia]

lmfao hi lilith

[Nahdia]

anyone wanna claim ranger's visit n1?

[Nahdia]

ive honestly forgotten a lot of what happened this game but uh

TOWN: S_S, dwlee, RC, Bella

IDK: pieguyn., itlepip, TehBrawlGuy

SCUM: Zulfy, Katsuki

VOTE: pieguyn
let's colorflip this.

[Nahdia]

like who?

[Nahdia]

Bella sure. Zulfy has been tunneled like crazy and was Ranger's biggest scumread. I wouldn't trust either color flip from him at all.

What makes you think pie's a likely paint target? She's been pretty widely townread.

[Nahdia]

looking through my previous reads it looks like i forgot ranger obvtowned at the beginning yday. my b ranger.

[Nahdia]

I think Ranger was wrong on that.

[Nahdia]

because paranoia/i suspect their color hasn't been tampered with.

in particular i kind of doubt scum would bother to paint her red when there are targets who in theory would be much more likely to be color flipped.

[Nahdia]

and if he flips blue?

[Nahdia]

can scum paint people red as well as blue?

presumably; they could in the last game.

I spose we ought to try to flip someone we feel has a good likelihood of being town. We won't blindly agree with the flip result, but as pieguyn pointed out, last game scum only had one opportunity to paint someone blue. Blue flips are still gonna be mostly reliable.

[Nahdia]

still like a pie flip

[Nahdia]

that def felt like a huge townslip but uh, we'll see.

[Nahdia]

we'll address this later, for now kraska can be town.

[Nahdia]

if i wasn't immediately gonna vote Katsuki after that red flip, i am now from his vote

VOTE: Katsuki

[Nahdia]

in what universe does town come to the conclusion that RC is scum here..?

[Nahdia]

can we just lynch katsuki?

[Nahdia]

i think S_S is incoherent town. there's nothing about what you've pointed out that screams scum motivation to me. scum like to have a strong justification for their pushes as much as town does; not having one can really go either way in my mind and iirc i had some other reason for calling him town which i can't really remember but it was probably good.

[Nahdia]

the difference between S_S's push on you and Katsuki's push on RC is the difference between

bad

reasoning and

a complete absence

of reasoning.

[Nahdia]

hi TTH you're conftown.

[Nahdia]

Is there anything I should keep in mind while going over what's happened so far?

mmmm not really no living claims atm. you flipped blue d1, i flipped blue d2, katsuki flipped red today.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia do you actually think I'm scum?

Yes.

[Nahdia]

the S_S wagon is really really bad anyway and we should be lynching the red flip that's also been really scummy

[Nahdia]

Nahdia do you actually think I'm scum?

Yes.

Why

Scummy slot all game + flipped red.

[Nahdia]

the S_S wagon is really really bad anyway and we should be lynching the red flip that's also been really scummy

So was I simply being distracted by RC and instead you're the scum trying to push me for my flip?

Because it's disingenuous as fuck and I think too highly of your play to accept this as proper reasoning.

p-edit: explain the scummy

no clue why you think highly of my play.

[Nahdia]

anyway i don't really feel like drafting up some huge annoying case so like, meh? TSQ was defensive about his meta which i consider kinda scummy and i've disliked you tonally and your votes have all been really bad. and now you've flipped red so like, i really don't see any reason to not power lynch you.

[Nahdia]

short of a verifiable PR claim i'm probably never ever voting elsewhere until you die.

[Nahdia]

that's the assumption yes but i think it's far more likely he's just scum.

[Nahdia]

i'd be ok with a TGB lynch but i'd prefer Katsuki.

[Nahdia]

TBG*

[Nahdia]

I'm about to go to bed so here's my tiered reads list.

{pieguyn, Dwlee99, Nahdia, kraska77}
{Something_Smart, Zulfy}
{Bellaphant}
{Katsuki}
{TehBrawlGuy}

fantastic reads except for the Zulfy read.

[Nahdia]

i will defeat you, evil man.

[Nahdia]

i couldn't, considering i was the only person to doubtcast his miller claim as soon as he made it.

[Nahdia]

Because presumably I wouldn't doubtcast my partner's early miller claim if that's how he's planning on playing the entire game, dorko.

[Nahdia]

I don't have any issue with flipping Nahdia, but her Aristo vote was a <1 hr deadline scramble and I'm not sure what she's done that we see as scummy.

The slip I pointed out and her reaction, what do you think of that?

It wasn't a slip, and tbh I think most of what you posted on her is silly.

VOTE: itle.

I'm still fine with Nahdia flip but it's not my preference.

Why would TGB not want to flip my color if we'd painted me blue the night before.

[Nahdia]

Points for trying. I mean, it was a bad attempt. So like, 2 points. Out of 100. But that's something. Try an accusation that holds up to any amount of scrutiny whatsoever next time.

[Nahdia]

why aren't we just lynching katsuki?

what's the votecount at rn?

[Nahdia]

I'm town as hell and honestly v insulted by this ridiculousness.

[Nahdia]

TTH I promise to vote TBG with you tomorrow if you stop this counterwagon nonsense and lynch katsuki today.

[Nahdia]

You were town as hell in Open 629.

ok yes but this time im ACTUALLY TOWN.

[Nahdia]

what the hell is this S_S wagon???????

yes i expected to be taken seriously. it was seriously an iffy claim when he made it.

[Nahdia]

{pieguyn, TTH, Dwlee99}
{Something_Smart, Bellaphant, kraska77}
{TehBrawlGuy, Zulfy}
{Katsuki}

[Nahdia]

{pieguyn, TTH, Dwlee99}
{Something_Smart, Bellaphant, kraska77}
-LARGE GAP-
{TehBrawlGuy, Zulfy}
{Katsuki}

(better version)

fine whatever

VOTE: TBG

[Nahdia]

could people please stop scumreading me i'd like to be nightkilled in this game please.

[Nahdia]

let's go friendos.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: kraska

[Nahdia]

i don't really care who we colorflip. still think we should lynch katsuki like i wanted.

[Nahdia]

i like a kraska colorflip since i think their slot is marginally less likely to be messed with over, say Bella or Zulfy. But I'll go for anyone, it matters v little to me.

[Nahdia]

well im town so....

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:

OK. I'm going to remove my influence from the game for now and we can lynch me today. When I flip town, do consider just straight up sheeping my reads. I'll post a final list before I die.

[Nahdia]

It's pretty damn hilarious that you guys are going to lynch the second blue flip in the game but if you want to be so pants-on-head stupid then I won't stop you. Not worth my effort.

[Nahdia]

I'll be back once you finish color flipping someone to give final reads and then I'll selfvote. L8R SK8RS.

[Nahdia]

ate because i'm done trying to tell people in this game who scum are.

[Nahdia]

Do you want to give you the links to their ISO's?

[Nahdia]

hi. really sorry about this but my irl situation has become excruciatingly stressful recently and i can't handle mafia for awhile. i'm getting replaced. good luck.