Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[kraska77]

Good day to all except those who want my blood (pie and dwlee from what I can see on the last two pages)
I'll catch up and be back later...probably tomorrow

[kraska77]

Hey guys
I only read like 3 pages so far
But umm...i have reason(related to my role) to believe that mafia can change colors in this game
Is there an explanation for this or...?

[kraska77]

I mean is this like public knowledge or something you didn't know?

[kraska77]

It seems they can change town players' colors too

[kraska77]

Are you saying we flip people's colors and whoever flips red gets lynched? Is that how it works?

[kraska77]

My question is can mafia manipulate colors in this game or not?

[kraska77]

Can I haz answers

[kraska77]

Nevermind i found the setup thread
Carry on

[kraska77]

Thanks

[kraska77]

sorry for my idiotic posting before
i can explain why i derped but i guess i better shutup
i'll read the thread tonight when i get home and post reads, definitely before the last RL day of day 3 starts

[kraska77]

Hey guys im only at page 11 rn and can barely keep my eyes open anymore
Would happily lynch tsq slot i think that's scum
Pie's pushy no bullshit attitude feels contrived to me especially early on in the game, also didn't like her reaction to rangers suggestion that she gets flipped and confirmed town...it reads uneasy to me

When i finish reading the thread I will get out a proper reads list post but for now VOTE: katsuki

[kraska77]

Lol I knew I would get crap for posting that
I'm saying it feels off. Early in the game, players were slowly interacting with eachother and testing waters, but it felt like you were being pushy from the get go...it just feels off
Anyway take this^ with a grain of salt, i might change my read on you later when I finish reading (i just woke up and I need to go out now) later.

[kraska77]

Last post is @pie

[kraska77]

Oh so after we flip colors we get more days? Sweet
So
Cya when i catchup

[kraska77]

to those who read or played the previous game
are scum more likely to color themselves or color potential mislynch targets?

[kraska77]

i think theyre more likely to color themselves

[kraska77]

The weird things my brain does when I'm typing posts...post 1226 was supposed to have continuation, i think i just assumed I wrote the stuff because I was thinking them
Anyway that was @rc...why autolynch katsuki if pie flips town? From the (admittedly little) reading ive done, it seems nahdia is town. So if katsuki is scum then whoever their remaining buddy is, they're not doing a bad job at towntelling. My point is, since katsuki has been a lynch option on the table since day 1, then I guess they would be priority to use blue paint on if they're scum
a scenario where pie and katsuki are scum together and pie paints her slot blue and baits the color flip to protect katsuki seems plausible. But a scenario where pie is town and katsuki is scum doesn't make sense after the color flip

[kraska77]

If whoever checks dry/wet paint targets a person on the same night scum color them, what kind of result do they get? Wet? Or do they get results based on what their paint was like during the day?

[kraska77]

VOTE: everyone for ignoring my post

If whoever checks dry/wet paint targets a person on the same night scum color them, what kind of result do they get? Wet? Or do they get results based on what their paint was like during the day?

can we trust wet/dry results or is this another thing that can be manipulated by scum? let's say katsuki is scum and the flip today wasnt a sham...if scum paint him whatever color tonight and the person who checks wet/dry paint also goes for katsuki then what would the results show? assuming result just says whether paint is dry or wet and nothing about the color, if the night action order is: people get colored before theyre checked then the results are not reliable right?
tl;dr what's the order for night actions? wet/dry check first then mafia coloring town/themselves? or the other way round?

[kraska77]

this is the first game i play with dwlee lmao
why is his opinion on me supposed to hold any weight

[kraska77]

well katsuki is just continuing the theme of defensiveness that his predecessor was also guilty of so *shrugs*

[kraska77]

If you think that I'm town, Postie, LQ is confscum fypov.

k

[kraska77]

im glad you dropped the "pie should go first and then we make inferences about katsuki's color flip"
im down for a katsuki lynch, tsq's posting pinged scum to me
VOTE: katsuki

[kraska77]

just so we're clear... your theory is that me/Katsuki painted myself blue, left him as red, and then... did nothing this game day to push the flip wagon on me through?

I'd have been more than capable of doing a hell of a lot more than I did here if I was invested in flipping myself. my position towards flipping myself today was "I don't really care, but other people seem to want it and Katsuki is town".

Did you forget that you were trying to sell a lynch on my slot before I replaced in?

[kraska77]

im glad you dropped the "pie should go first and then we make inferences about katsuki's color flip"
im down for a katsuki lynch, tsq's posting pinged scum to me
VOTE: katsuki

how much have the game have you read?

have you made it to Katsuki's posts today?

Till ninas color flip so yes I saw a little of katsuki's posting

[kraska77]

meow

this is in response to pie mainly
first of all pie, i read the stuff you wrote on katsuki in that breakdown post, and i clicked on the linked post and funnily enough two posts below katsuki's, you refutd your own townread on him by saying he played an active part in lala's lynch...so...him asking "why the turnound" is as good a reason as any to townread him or anyone else. like you said, disengagement can be easily faked. and i dont buy your defense of his rc vote...because that was clearly a vanity vote, nothing more nothing less. i knew rc's slot was confirmed town for some reason even before i reached the part where nina flipped blue, because over the last few pages alone, there are tons of references to that(how many times did people say rc doesnt get a pass to get lynches through just because he's conftown over the last few pages alone?). i dont give a crap about katsuki's rc vote and if it's supposed to make me reconsider a lynch on him, it's not working. i can recognize when people are being too ridiculous to be scum, but this is different bc that was a vanity vote. also why are you pulling a curtain over his predecessor's posts? tsq's posts were mostly nothing more than overblown reactions(similar to katsuki's) and misrepresentation(when he accused nina of rolefishing out of nowhere that was a red flag to me)
anyway im beginning to feel like the associative ive formed between you and katsuki is too linear/obvious to be true
but katsuki should be today's lynch regardless and here's why:
1) if katsuki flips scum, like i think he will, then we have effectively rendered mafia's red paint strokes moot. a katsuki scum flip means night one his buddy colored themselves blue and night two a townie got red brushed. so in effect, if katsuki flips scum, who ever flips red from now on is confirmed town...wait...unless blue scum buddy paints themselves red again o.0 can paint be used on the same person twice? hmm nevermind but point is, if katsuki flips scum, color manipulation no longer means anything.
2) if katsuki flips town, then he got red brushed and today's lynch was calculated/expected, this seems unlikely though because your wagon and his were tied until i replaced in, plus the people pushing for a katsuki lynch are people im reading town. but anyway, let's consider this alternative. katsuki's iso is vacuous mostly, his lurking makes him difficult to read and he's not doing anything useful to town. im pretty sure i will keep second guessing myself the entire game if he stays alive, and that i will be unable to move forward with my reads until i see his slot's flip. it's a good lynch regardless

@pie ignore post 1296 bc that was a loaded question. im going through ari's iso now. if anything, itle and ari interactions should be enough indicator that itle is town, that was too late in day 1 to be distancing. do you really think ari would put another one of his buddies in hot water when his lynch looks like it will happen? can you walk me through your poe and how you reached the conclusion that itle is scum?

[kraska77]

red strokes futile*

[kraska77]

^ who is likely to be scum buddy? Bc it doesn't look like it's pie
Also mod answered one of my questions wait I'll post it now

[kraska77]

"1) Assuming paint is in the game and functions like it did in last game, a role that can paint could target the same player twice.
2) Can't confirm how these kinds of actions would resolve in this game." #2 was in response to my night action order question

[kraska77]

Pie is a very strong pick for it actually, given that she's trying to make this a pissing contest that I think she knows that she doesn't win.

But this is so weird
Can it really be that easy?
Something is off, this setup seems really disadvantageous for scum
I'm pretty sure there's some new twist to color manipulation going on in this game that we haven't figured out yet
The color flip phase makes the first two days equivalent to four days...that's way too much information in a short period of time and makes surviving difficult for scum

[kraska77]

Like there has to be something on the scum side to make up for this and balance powers

[kraska77]

Please do this
Katsuki is best lynch for today

[kraska77]

^ Hey you're not scumreading whatisname anymore? Bc that's what your reads list that brawl guy quoted said. I'm missing a good chunk of the thread So idk if your read on him changed

[kraska77]

@kraska, I'll respond to your post in full later (at work rn) but a quick point, Aris was pretty much completely fucked by the time he caught up at the very end of D1, so it absolutely would make sense for him to put a partner down as scum with the intent of distancing. it didn't actually do anything to put itle in danger, it was just words at that point.

dwlee and itle were going at eachother and ari just butted in, it felt like his last attempt to save himself and look like he's scumhunting. That doesn't look like distancing but if you insist then whatever. When scum are in a a bad position they spend what little time they have left obfuscating and interacting with as many players as possible. But ari singling itle out like that and that late into day 1 is not distancing

[kraska77]

Zulfy

[kraska77]

^Imo if this setup is really like we're currently assuming it to be, it seems really disadvantageous for scum so I'm sure we're missing sth. iirc @sthsmart said he had reason to doubt tbg, im assuming it has to do with Miller claim?

[kraska77]

@tth what do you think of this?

Pie is a very strong pick for it actually, given that she's trying to make this a pissing contest that I think she knows that she doesn't win.

But this is so weird
Can it really be that easy?
Something is off, this setup seems really disadvantageous for scum
I'm pretty sure there's some new twist to color manipulation going on in this game that we haven't figured out yet
The color flip phase makes the first two days equivalent to four days...that's way too much information in a short period of time and makes surviving difficult for scum

I think town knowing colors can be manipulated right from the beginning greatly undermines mafia's power. It would make more sense if town are ignorant of color manipulation at first and the PRs are forced to soft in order to inform town...but that's not even the case here. So there must be something on the scum side to balance powers with town bc this seems unfair from scum pov

[kraska77]

My main point is, 2 flips per day generate more information than usual in the first two days

[kraska77]

^ I agree with this
He's being too transparent about his thoughts and not making much effort to look consistent so he's town probably

[kraska77]

I have katsuki as scum #2
So I'm crossing out pie and tgb as scum #3 candidates because they're sticking out their necks too much in a way that doesn't make sense for scum survivalism...the situation here is we have a confirmed town, another player who is townread by all (nahdia), a protective role bc 0 NKs on night 1 and 1 scum already down. If katsuki is scum then whoever their scum buddy is...i dont expect them to be playing like pie and tgb. Plus if katsuki and tgb were a team, I think katsuki would have painted themselves blue (bc of tgb's Miller claim).
The way tgb is playing is too obv scum to be scum imo
I will only reconsider my read on him if katsuki flips town
So scum pool for me(at this stage, pre katsuki flip) is: katsuki, Bellaphant and zulfy
Scum katsuki makes most sense with one of Bella and zulfy as partners

[kraska77]

I was going to take the time today to make a case on pie, but with RC's replace out it seems the odds are one to zero against her being lynched in the near future.
I can still make the case if you guys (primarily TTH) want, but I'd rather look again at the TBG/Katsuki/Zulfy slots if my work would be pointless anyway.

@kraska: Are you referring to the cryptic stuff I said about TBG right after I replaced in? If so, then that was related to how he called beeboy's post a townslip while maintaining that Dwlee could be scum.

Oh I thought it was related to why his predecessor didn't immediately claim Miller

[kraska77]

Holy shit lol
Why do I have him as hiplop replacement in my head? ( i just realised I'm hiplop's replacement :') )And the time line is all messed up in my head, the way i remember it is he showed up midway through day 1 :')
I promise to stop writing crap from memory from now on because my memory is unreliable

[kraska77]

Umm yeah not reading games while mildly inebriated next time
Lol

[kraska77]

He didn't have a predecessor.
And who's your scum #1?

I meant #2 and 3 as in other than ari lol

[kraska77]

He is openly sheeping pie and joins her whenever she's grilling someone, yes...but he's being just as vocal about all of this as she is. and the way he was constantly discrediting rc is idiotic play if he's scum

[kraska77]

He is openly sheeping pie and joins her whenever she's grilling someone, yes...but he's being just as vocal about all of this as she is. and the way he was constantly discrediting rc is idiotic play if he's scum

Not really. By himself, he wouldn't be able to carry this game and I think he's well aware of that.

If you think he's scum, who do you have as possible partner? Do you not agree katsuki would have flipped blue if he were teamed with tgb?

[kraska77]

:') Thanks to my Ne i make mental jumps like that all the time and have difficulty explaining them coherently until some time passes

[kraska77]

^and also between tgb and katsuki i think katsuki can talk themselves out of a lynch and has better chances at surviving (no offense to tgb)
And other reasons I can't quite put to words now

[kraska77]

Anyway not feeling scumtgb...he's like a secondary consensus scumread for everyone and secondary consensus scumreads are usually town
Still think katsuki is the best lynch for today

[kraska77]

Zulfy, nahdia, Bella and tgb where are you guys

[kraska77]

Everyone? Everyone has tgb in their scum pool iirc

[kraska77]

i don't have tbg in my scum pool

youre not doing jack shit this game so you dont count lol

[kraska77]

Everyone? Everyone has tgb in their scum pool iirc

Fuck, I had no idea I had to deal with a Titus mini-me.

im not pulling this stuff out of my butt
nobody townreads tgb(except dwlee hehe), which means everyone finds him scummy to some degree, he's nobody's priority lynch or priority to sort out but he's in everyone's scum pool

[kraska77]

@tth youre still not seeing my point

my premise: katsuki is scum
therefore it follows that tgb is not scum bc katsuki flipped red and not blue
i already explained this and said this is preflip conclusion and that i will reconsider a townread on tgb if katsuki flips town
but those are my reads and you dont have to agree with them

but for you:
both tgb and katsuki are in your bottom tier

and a katsuki lynch will obviously generate more information because tgb is a secondary consensus scumread and his flip wont tell us much...is what im saying
where is the problem here?

[kraska77]

katsuki more informative because of the color flip***

[kraska77]

oh yeah ive been calling him tgb for a while now o.0

[kraska77]

*internal screams*
but i actually dont care
if you wanna lynch tgb go ahead but im staying on katsuki

[kraska77]

i did say that part of the post concerns my reads and you dont even have to agree with them(i only wrote that bc you asked why i think he's town) SIGH and you ignored the part directed at you

[kraska77]

@zulfy who will u vote for -__-

[kraska77]

Nahdia why is S_S a townread of yours?

S_s wagon is not happening today. You have to choose between katsuki and TBG and explain your choice

Your scum pool is ridiculously big and is not even layered into tiers of varying strengths. Stop keeping your options open and do something

[kraska77]

No point to keeping a parking vote on katsuki at this point
VOTE: tbg

[kraska77]

If he flips town, katsuki autolynched tom pls

[kraska77]

That was just me babes sorry^
So you guys wanna color flip me? I'd rather we do zulfy or Bella slot tho

[kraska77]

Nahdia is not conftown. She's being weird if she wants me of all people color flipped/lynched

[kraska77]

I think the persons i trust most in the game right now are something smart and dwlee
Pie is probs town too

[kraska77]

So you guys wanna color flip me? I'd rather we do zulfy or Bella slot tho

Do you think we can trust either of those flips?
I think we get more information from VOTE: pie.

No we can't
But still more useful than flipping me and I can explain why but I'd rather not

[kraska77]

Oh and Dwlee one has to articulate their reads.

When did YOU articulate any reads?
Let's look at your scum pool shall we

ii) Katsuki
iv) Bellaphant
vi) Something_Smart

x) TehBrawlGuy

xi) kraska77

That's the pool I'm working with. Everyone else is conftown in my eyes.

^scum pool is everyone left in the game minus two -___- can you narrow it down to like two people or atleast declare who you have as priority to lynch?

[kraska77]

What about flipping pie?

I'm almost certain katsuki is scum
And Pie's behaviour and reactions to katsuki being wagoned makes me think she's probably town. Associative too strong and obvious to be real. Just like with tbg
Do you think she's scum?

[kraska77]

Uhh maybe i should ask first: Do you think katsuki is scum?

[kraska77]

im fine with a mass claim
autolynch was a hyperbole
i want the day to end with a katsuki lynch, but we're not lynching anyone before everyone provides proper content. im in no rush

[kraska77]

@dwlee who do you think we should lynch today?

[kraska77]

Im fine sheeping nahdia.

That locks it then
It's a katsuki lynch today. S_s is fine with voting katsuki i reckon? Pie and wing will have to come along

@pie i dont follow why you would think a doctor would protect you night 1 rather than nina or ranger

I think we should go for mass claim at this point. Pie, what order do you think we should go?

[kraska77]

I read and im not convinced
Don't wanna do another compromise lynch like tbg
Already said my piece on katsuki and TBG on day 3 so i have nothing new to contribute

[kraska77]

Sigh

[kraska77]

like, you are aware that under this plan, *if* Nahdia is town, you get your Katsuki lynch anyway? just it's tomorrow, not today.

No just no.
I don't see why you're seeing it as either/or...that's why I don't want nahdia to go first.
A katsuki nahdia team is a possibility I haven't crossed. If we go for nahdia first and she flips scum, im sure you'll spend the remainder of the game whitenighting katsuki

[kraska77]

And i feel more strongly about katsuki being scum, so there's that too.

[kraska77]

Nahdia is as scummy as Bella or zulfy
I think mass claim would help me sort them better

[kraska77]

Your case on why katsuki is town: meta
Your explanation for why nahdia and katsuki don't make sense: meta

Meta is not absolute. Obviously any player would take advantage of their meta when they roll scum in a game where town is familiar with their meta
But like I'm not interested in butting heads with you. Still think katsuki should be lynched. If you want to convince others otherwise, go ahead

[kraska77]

Like i said you're a really obstinate and this conversation is going nowhere. If you want to convince people nahdia should be lynched, go ahead. I'll shift my vote to nahdia if she gets to l-2 or l-1
Otherwise katsuki gets lynched

[kraska77]

hope things get better for you irl

[kraska77]

:^)

[kraska77]

*shrugs* I understand people should stick to their guns in forum mafia, that's not what I take issue with at all. It's just the way you engage with those who happen not to agree with you is kinda offputting...theres no give and take, only shutting down

[kraska77]

I would not say that you had any good or compelling reason for scum read him; I would say that you largely picked up on null tells and it was correct by coincidence.

Intuition is strangely undermined on this site
If you think trying to gauge people's entrances, reading tone and discerning awkwardness from genuinity does not give major clues about the players then.....
Anyway
tempted to let you have your way just to make you see you're wrong :^)
Don't forget to sheep nahdias reads for the rest of the game

[kraska77]

No tbg lunch should not have happened in the first bc no matter how you look at it, a katsuki lynch would have been more informative(and the one more likely to flip scum too) in that situation. Now the state of the art is we don't know who tbg targeted or what their color was when they died, and the scummieat person in the game is still having their lynch derailed. And we're going to lynch nahdia who will likely flip town. Look at nahdia-ranger interactions, that looks like genuine town/town. There are a couple of things I found mildly suspicious from nahdia, but that's about it.

[kraska77]

You keep going on about critical thinking. Why was this v

No tbg lunch should not have happened in the first bc no matter how you look at it, a katsuki lynch would have been more informative

Not enough reason to lynch katsuki over tbg then?

[kraska77]

Yeah whatever I'll walk myself out of here

[kraska77]

Tbg was more scummy than katsuki?
........
....
This is fucking stupid
And last time I bother protesting this shit

[kraska77]

I don't have meta with him but he was one of those too obvscum to be scim people you get in every game
Please iso tsq and tell me that's not scum :/

[kraska77]

Oh crap I thought you were talking about tbg in your post
Nvm

[kraska77]

Oh crap I thought you were talking about tbg in your post
Nvm

You're kinda right that I'm not really reading lmfao
I just skim over posts
I'll do a proper iso analysis of katsuki and tsq...later...maybe

[kraska77]

Iso analysis post*

[kraska77]

Dont you have nahdia as conftown and katsuki in your scum pool
That's like
Completely at odds with everything pie has been saying so far
How is she outlining your reads for you

[kraska77]

I feel like I'm looking at this game with NEW EYES!!

Bruh
So what new epiphany did u get

We've been pretty in synch when it came to TBG

and look How that went

and SS, anyway

stop
s_s is obvtkwn


Zulfy
Are u even town lmfao
Hmmm

[kraska77]

Speaking of shich
Where is s_s



I should probably do sth to stop evil town piper pie
But too lazy and no motivation
Let's color flip zulfy atleasy
VOTE: zulfy

[kraska77]

What
I'm not an alt :s

[kraska77]

Also are you that clown guy's alt?

this still annoys me
It has a belittling tone to it
What is clown guy supposed to mean

But more importantly, his post insinuates I'm lying/faking the noobness I've shown so far
Where are you even standing in terms of reads?
You want s_s the obv town lynched, atleast that much is clear
But now you're backpedalling on what used to be a conftown read for you. Hey pie, how do you feel about this? Tbg was sheeping you in a blatantly obvious too-scum-to-be-scum way, but zulfy is being sneaky af and his sheeping is actually scummy. @pie The bullet points you had against s_s and tbg (sheeping, flip flopping, back pedalling etc) are all indeed scummy in isolation, but the way s_s and tbg have been playing so far, the ridiculously transparent way they've gone about doing all of this, is town. But these bullet points all apply to zulfy as well, except he's been more stealthy and less obvious. But please go and iso him, he kept his options open, has been opportunistic af, the s_s wagon he started way back was obviously going no where in rc and nahdia's presence, it was just noise that dismantled as quickly as it started. And etc etc. I would like to color flip him and then get him lynched if we're not doin katsuki. What do you think? @wingback what do you think?

[kraska77]

I'll do a case on tsq and katsuki where I diregard their overreactions and tone and just analyse their votes and pushes
But this will have to wait until I have enough time bc I really suck at casing people. So probably next week

[kraska77]

Sorry hydra slip

[kraska77]

which read am I backpedaling on?

Nahdia
What happened to your read on her
I don't see anything notably different in the content she was putting out after the post you made where out her as confirmed town to explain your change of mind

[kraska77]

Funny

It is

[kraska77]

And how is SS conftown

The hesitancy and flip flopping he did was too obvious to be scum

[kraska77]

Hesitance*

[kraska77]

which read am I backpedaling on?

Nahdia
What happened to your read on her
I don't see anything notably different in the content she was putting out after the post you made where out her as confirmed town to explain your change of mind

Where you put her as****

[kraska77]

She flipped blue

Hmmmmmm
Have you misunderstood me misunderstanding your posts?
She flipped blue so she's town? Is that what you're saying? Because that's not what I was inquering about
I'm posting this from (parked) car so internet is weak here and it takes forever to load pages so I'm just going to refer to ur posts now instead of quote them sorry
You checked in today to put out a post that very very very indirectly says you're on the same page as pie and that you'll go along with her lynching nahdia
Which is why I asked you how can pie possibly be outlining your thoughts for you when you previously declared a solid townread on nahdia and suspicion of katsuki
Your subsequent replies to me still (indirectly) say that you're going along with whatever pie decides to do because you're on the same page (when you're not. Or atleast your posting history does not click with everything that pie has posted since this day started). You're being super indirect about this, and all your posts give off this open ended feeling, like you wrote them to allow for malleability so that you can change your position in the future or join any wagon without being called out for it

[kraska77]

And how is SS conftown

The hesitancy and flip flopping he did was too obvious to be scum

You'll find things can be remarkably straighforward here.

That's not the case here though. Guy was ridiculously transparent about the progression of his reads and did not give the slightest duck to come off as consistent. His flip flopping was genuine and did not reek of restrained or cornered scum unable to fake cfluidity of reads. I'm pretty sure on this one. This isn't scum.
I'm fact I'm surprised at all the major pushes (other than the one on ari) that have happened in the game so far. The cases against Nina and lala were very one dimensional and both were far townier than most people in the game. Tbg push was a stereotypical mislynch bc people took stuff at face value. Katsuki lynch on the other hand is a lynch on scum that is getting derailed forever *sad meow*

[kraska77]

Also wow
Wordy posts
Outta nowhere
Unusual for me

[kraska77]

lol so has kraska's read on me been entirely based on TSQ? because that is lolzy as fuck isnce TSQ is permanently scummy

No. Btw I tend to whiteknight scummy town players in all my town games. And i did it here too with TBG And ss. Your push on lala was scummy and pie backed down from reading it as scummy for God knows what reason. Tsq's overreactions I regarded as...bonus points to the scum read I had on the slot. And nothing more. It's the "scum hunting" he did on Nina that pinged me

[kraska77]

No Kraska, I had told Dwlee to elaborate and you were all Calling me a kettle-calling pot. So I explained that unlike Dwlee I didnt have to elaborate since Pie had been doing all the elaborating for me. Then I added the stipulation that that had been the last time I checked in, anyway, I was vla for some time remember.

If you think I am being open ended back me into a córner. I'm not sure what firm stance you're looking for from me.

Alright then so it was a misunderstanding on my part sorry(You should quote the stuff you're answering >:( )
I thought that was your reply to the part of the post where I asked you to narrow down your reads

Just a question tho, how does the blue flip make nahdia confirmed? She flipped blue after night 1, she could have painted herself blue

[kraska77]

Just a question tho, how does the blue flip make nahdia confirmed? She flipped blue after night 1, she could have painted herself blue

If you already had enough reasons to suspect her prior to the flip, that shouldn't be enough to clear her for you

[kraska77]

Zulfy, you won't get anywhere arguing with her, most of what she's been said this game has been nonsense.

Lol normal exchange=arguing to you

[kraska77]

kraska isn't scum, she's just a really bad player who thinks she's the end-all-be-all at the game.

Lol f off
Atleast I don't threaten to replace out if people don't agree with/ignore what I wrote. I feel pretty uncomfortable with how this gamestate has stooped to "i am right! Critical thinking! Whatever crap else" because it's getting to me and all my recent posts are pretty much "you're wrong and u'll see" which is in no way better than what ure doing but meh. There's no exchange here and no cross pollination of ideas or whatever the duck makes these games fun

[kraska77]

Ninjad

[kraska77]

Why are we flipping dwlee the obvious town though? Dwlee and my slots colors havent been tempered with, is there a need to flip the colors to confirm? I'd rather we flip zulfy or windback. Sure there will be shenanigans after their flips but I still find this more informative than flipping obvtown slots

[kraska77]

Wingback I'll get back to u later

[kraska77]

this is a useless flip but whatever
VOTE: dwlee

[kraska77]

Woah
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1. the scum team is {Nahdia, S_S or someone else who isn't dwlee}. they flipped Nahdia N1, Katsuki N2, and N3, of all the town players in the game, decided on flipping dwlee N3 despite him being pretty much widely considered town and no one talking about flipping him whatsoever? I don't mean this rhetorically, I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing here.

Yes ure missing the fact that neither of them pushed for a dwlee color flip nor could they have seriously anticipated dwlee of all people being colour flipped on day 3

[kraska77]

Katsuki+dwlee also seems like an unlikely combination hmmm
So we should be deciding if it's option 2 or 3 from your post

[kraska77]

Do we know for sure that mafia have the same color shots as last game? >.>

[kraska77]

TehBrawlGuy has been lynched, he was

Spoiler: TehBrawlGuy

A Blue Town Painter's Tape

Greetings TehBrawlGuy!

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Your role is:

Town Painter's Tape

and you're coloured

Blue

.
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You are aligned with the town and will win when all threats to town have been eliminated.
Every night you may target a player to cover them. If they would be killed that night, they will be protected. If they are targeted to have their colour changed, then your colour will be changed in their place.
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Night Three has begun and deadline is on hold.

Just a passing thought but...
With a town blue painter, it would also make sense for mafia not to have any blue shots

[kraska77]

Blue painter around*

[kraska77]

I don't think TBG's role would preclude scum having blue shots? it's not a blue painter, it's essentially a doctor + paint bodyguard; I can't think of any reason blue paint would be incompatible with that.

Dunno if I misunderstood the role description, I thought it also said each night he paints a person blue and takes on their color
Night one and two he probably targetted nina's slot anyway

[kraska77]

Zzz nvm thought "cover" meant color coat them
Time for a massclaim?

[kraska77]

I don't think TBG's role would preclude scum having blue shots? it's not a blue painter, it's essentially a doctor + paint bodyguard; I can't think of any reason blue paint would be incompatible with that.

Dunno if I misunderstood the role description, I thought it also said each night he paints a person blue and takes on their color
Night one and two he probably targetted nina's slot anyway

Takes on their color of theyre targetted*

[kraska77]

I don't see why mafia would change dwlee's color if he's town. His flip could not have been anticipated, you're the one who pushed for it and I doubt you would push for a framed color flip on towndwlee if you were scum because it frames you next

[kraska77]

Yeah exactly ^
Atleast at first glance a nahdia/dwlee team makes more sense than anything else right now....but i need to think about this

[kraska77]

Man
Early game interactions between keenly and nahdia make me really saved on calling them a team ;_;

[kraska77]

keenly

That was supposed to be beenoy but I'm kinda blitzed right now and phone is doing weird things

[kraska77]

saved

Waver* holy shut

And also the way nahdia was protesting ari lynch when it was pretty much a lost cause

[kraska77]

I could easily see {Nahdia, dwlee} planning that starting from N3 they'd just paint a bunch of people purple in order to obfuscate the location of the last scum color-wise. in that scenario, holy fuck me flipping dwlee earlier was just one of the most serendipitously unfortunate things for them imaginable.

Yeah flipping dwlee was a great move for us. who would have thunk
Part of me is still very uneasy about putting nahdia down as scum. Hmm chaos needs to come here and say stuff

[kraska77]

So yeah I thought about it and nahdia's entrance today sort of locks her as scum for me
I thought her vote to color flip me was weird. And when I asked her to explain, she said that she thinks it's unlikely my color has been tampered with. Which I still thought was weird bc why not flip dwlee first then?
But now after dwlee's flip, it all makes sense I suppose. Nahdia probably anticipated being lynched and was setting it up so i flip blue---> she gets lynched--->I get night killed and then youre left with dwlee who is regarded as conf town and everyone else remaining suspects eachother to some degree...town go after eachother's necks and dwlee coasts to win. Dwlee probably would have colored something smart next

[kraska77]

I'm a little confused about why they would go for Katsuki here as opposed to just paint dwlee N2. Covering themselves first should be the top priority

Same and I was musing that early on after katsuki's flip. Especially since like...there was a pretty good chance the flip will land on pie :/ :/

[kraska77]

I don't get why they didn't immediately cover themselves first...it didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon from a night 2 perspective *shrugs*

[kraska77]

Katsuki/pie could have been easy mislynces regardless of color flips especially since rc was around at the time and constantly asking for them to be lynched. Scum didnt need to paint anyone red, town could have easily wrecked itself and nobody was even considering a scumdwlee scenario

[kraska77]

I don't get why they didn't immediately cover themselves first...it didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon from a night 2 perspective *shrugs*

Uh there was continuation to this post idk what happened. It didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon but the leading color flip wagons on day 3 (katsuki and pie) both would have continued being Wagoned even after a blue flip. They didn't have to waste red paint on either

[kraska77]

Seriously don't get why they would waste red paint on katsuki when a pie color flip looked just as likely to happen on day 3
But whatever the way chaos and dwlee are acting confirms all of this

[kraska77]

VOTE: chaos

[kraska77]

Uh there was continuation to this post idk what happened. It didn't look like dwlee was getting flipped any time soon but the leading color flip wagons on day 3 (katsuki and pie) both would have continued being Wagoned even after a blue flip. They didn't have to waste red paint on either

the scum team was obviously planning on mislynching Katsuki, and on N2 it would have been trivial from their POV to preempt a Katsuki flip D3. it would have been theoretically possible to lynch him despite a blue flip, but realistically it probably would have went in similar vein to Nahdia D2:

people still kinda stay suspicious of him but don't lynch him right at that point.

the plan was to probably have him flip red, and then from there he gets lynched and that's all there is to it (and it would have worked if it weren't for me hard derailing the lynch).

Yep probably you or s_s would have been lynched first and katsuki eventually lynched in later days, if it weren't for tth replacing in. But painting katsuki red was a huge gamble anyway, because had you been color flipped on day 3 and katsuki flipped day 4, his red flip would have had so much less impact. Me replacing in and voting katsuki instead of you when your wagons were competing helped scum a lot

[kraska77]

Chaos why are you ignoring dwlee's flip >.> pie is a townread of yours and there's no way scum could have anticipated dwlee getting flipped today to frame him. Pie is the only one who pushed for it so unless you think pie is scum, dwlee is confscum at this point

S_s is town for sure

[kraska77]

@chaos
Just look at the way somethingsmart was playing. He flip flopped like crazy between katsuki and pie, one second calling them town another calling scum. The way he reacted to tbg and pie pushing him "you know what you can't be scum because you'll get so much flak after my flip" and then immediatly suggesting we lynch pie on the grounds that if shes scum we already lost the game when that suggestion was so far removed from the gamestate and he could have just quietly for on katsuki. And lots of other reasons off the top of my head
I don't get why everyone thinks my townread on ss is idiotic...but then again lots of obvtowns were wagoned this game for really shallow reasons :s
and no i dont think pje is scum. Like I said before I was really uneasy about lynching nahdia's slot because I never scumread her at any point in the game. But after dwlee's flip her weird vote for flipping me on the grounds that my color is untouched when dwlee should have been the more obvious candidate from a towny mindset and you having both dwlee and pie as town post dwlee flips is what locks this for me

[kraska77]

@chaos
Pie voting you instead of dwlee makes me cross out a pie/dwlee scum team
One of pie and dwlee has to be scum for sure, you saying both are town does not make sense because of it werent for pie, scum couldn't have seriously expected dwlee to get flipped today for the purple paint to frame him

[kraska77]

Dwlee is caught scum and the way you're ignoring his flip and nahdia's color flip vote today makes me think you're the buddy. Doesn't matter who goes first tbh
there was a vote on you already so I voted there too. Why does this not make sense?

[kraska77]

Caughtscumdwlee stop making this more awkward than it already is >:(

[kraska77]

>:(

[kraska77]

I get this all you can do at this point but stop >:(

[kraska77]

Or you're lynching me because you have support from Grand Emperor pie and your push on me goes to shit if we lynch dwlee and he flips town, but if you lynch me and I flip town, dwlee is still confscum and you can push his lynch. Is your scumgame really this transparent?

It should be obvious from my bickerings with pie and tth that I don't care if I have their support
And dwlee won't flip town
>:(

[kraska77]

No. you saying that there is a world where pie and dwlee can be town together is what makes me think you're scum. You're still not addressing that >:( like if you're actually town here im trying to reach out to you but you keep evading the obvious.
Like sure I can switch my vote to dwlee now if it bothers you so much but I'll still be votig you tomorrow for completely evading or reevaluating your reads on pie and dwlee

[kraska77]

Not reevaluating*

[kraska77]

Or you're lynching me because you have support from Grand Emperor pie and your push on me goes to shit if we lynch dwlee and he flips town, but if you lynch me and I flip town, dwlee is still confscum and you can push his lynch. Is your scumgame really this transparent?

It should be obvious from my bickerings with pie and tth that I don't care if I have their support
And dwlee won't flip town
>:(

oh but I will
You're setting up mislynches by going "Chaos is scum with dwlee, so let's lynch chaos and then dwlee" because "Let's lynch dwlee and then chaos" doesn't work because when I flip town there is no case for associatives.

Order doesnt matter u can go first too if ure that excited to eat rope ♡ >:)

[kraska77]

Tbg protected nina probably

[kraska77]

I'm a she

[kraska77]

It's not my native tongue
And yeah I do skim over stuff. I have attention and sleeping problems so
But what it is that u want me to pay attention to

[kraska77]

That tbg couldn't protect? But ira already answered that and pie mentioned it too in previous pages

[kraska77]

How can you vote kraska77 after his posts on the last few pages?

^

[kraska77]

Hehe

[kraska77]

Pie's shit about me in the dead thread is reminding me why I got kissed off and replaced out

[kraska77]

Pissed*
Anyway gg sorry dwlee and chaos, my perception of the game was COMPLETELY skewed after dwlee's flip
Thanks for moddinf cheetory ^_^

[kraska77]

I find ira ridiculously difficult to read.

Haha same...ira is an enigma ^_^
His predecessor was pretty obvious town tho