Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

Thestatusquo · Post Post #88 (isolation #0) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:09 pm

Oh man I'm really pissed I wasnt here earlier.

I would have hammered the fuck out of spiffeh on page 1.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #92 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:22 pm

In post 89, pieguyn wrote:

I'm not even against speedflips, tbh, on any day that _isn't_ D1. but it completely fucking blows my mind how people can see what I'm writing and not give a shit that, hey, on D1 a speedflip is clearly not the optimal play!

optimal play is a bullshit term people made up so they can pretend that the arbitrary actions they take are better than the arbitrary actions others take.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #133 (isolation #2) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:23 am

Thestatusquo · Post Post #134 (isolation #3) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:29 am

In post 132, pieguyn wrote:
In post 128, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Explain to me why you think this is TSQ!scum rather than just TSQ being TSQ?
regardless of who it is, I would expect a town player to... post reads... or ask questions... or do literally anything at all to sort people, rather than what TSQ did. what he did was pop in, make one vague snipe at me, and then do absolutely nothing else. it isn't productive and it isn't a town entrance; it is fairly standard for scum to just sit and vaguely snipe at things when they aren't sure what to comment on and want to look like they're doing things.

do you have meta that suggests this is usual for TSQ, or?

regardless of TSQ, TBG is probably town for what he said about beeboy. I usually don't expect scum to try to point out town slips, and I like the way he specifically called out Nina on the TSQ wagon rather than the scum alternative which usually looks like "don't like this wagon" with hardly any specifics. the reasoning didn't look forced, either.

also Ether/Cheetory, that is amazing. is it OK if I steal that for my avi? (I'd guess that was your intention, based on the image size, but I don't want to just steal it without asking first.)

you played like 10 games with me irl. Was my scum playstyle to snipe from the sidelines? I think that's inaccurate. This is where Hiplop will jump in and complain about me using "self-meta" which is funny because I talk about my meta like every game (which is ironically self meta as well.)

I think that its reasonable that you a) give someone more than 1 day to "sort people out" and b) give people credit for more sorting out than is happening on the surface of their posts. But maybe you don't. Iunno.

I disagree with you on the TBG thing. In my experience scum are more likely to search for reasons to call people town early on, because a) they are trying to not make enemies and b) they already know people are town and are thus more likely to call people town than town because town is unsure.

I give credence to the point where it didn't seem forced, but I specifically don't like the "scum doesnt look for town tells" thing. I think that's sometimes complete bull.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #135 (isolation #4) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:37 am

Like part of what I don't like about your attack (although I'm less concerned about it than certain people on the wagon) is that it puts a burden on me that wasn't put on literally anyone else in the game. I was supposed to be serious and trying to sort out the game in my first and second posts? Literally no one does that in the current site meta. The fact that you singled me out over literally everyone else in the game who made random/jokey entrances into the game is really kind of strange. At the same time, I see strong motivations to do so from both sides of the aisle (scum: looking for things to attack in order to seem more involved in scum hunting than they are and town: looking for small edges to push to get the game out of the random stage.)

the more I think about it the more I think its a weak town tell. I'll post more about the rest of the wagon later. That's the really interesting thing.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #136 (isolation #5) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:44 am

In post 128, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
@pie
@utl
@nina
@hiplop

Explain to me why you think this is TSQ!scum rather than just TSQ being TSQ?

I'll cast a VOTE: Nina for now. I dislike the TSQ wagon. It feels off to me. Of the people on it, I particularly take issue with Nina because of her 106. I generally find cute-story-posting like that to be a scumtell, because it allows you to mask your tone very well. This section gives me pause as well.

In post 106, Nina Williams wrote: Nina - "I kinda think the Spiffeh wagon had to have a scumpartner vote him. And I think UTL/beeboy/hiplop are town. At least the first two.

Host - "A fine reason indeed. Thanks for watching everyone, we'll be back after the break! Nina Williams has just picked Aristophanes, thestatusquo and lalaladucks as the scumteam! Stay tuned for more!
She thinks Spiffeh had a scumpartner vote him, but Spiffeh isn't on her reads list as Scum? This is a fabricated reads list. To me, it seems to me the reason she's talking about Spiffeh's scumpartners is because she already knows Spiffeh is Scum. If we flip Nina now and she flips red, I think it's a 2-for-1 on her and Spiffeh.

there are parts of it that are off (i.e. specific players on it), but for the most part it feels like a pretty normal wagon that happens early on day ones. Is it just nina that feels off to you about is there something about the wagon in particular?

Thestatusquo · Post Post #138 (isolation #6) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:34 am

In post 129, Nina Williams wrote:tehbrawlguy: is your miller ability related to your color?

About TSQ: the action is scummy, that's all I care about right now. If I am wrong, please correct me.

About Spiffeh: You are correct. I think my brain made some crazy twist there. But hey, at least I can have you as a townread for pointing out my own mistake. But if you really think I would make a fabricated reads list, calling a partner scum and forgetting to list him as a scumread, I would be disappointed.

what action exactly? I came in and posted more or less at random like literally anyone else here.

Actually, fuck it. I've convinced myself of this.

VOTE: nina

Thestatusquo · Post Post #139 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:34 am

In post 137, Bellaphant wrote:@nina, why is beeboy town? Also, you mentioned hippy as maybe!not!town but then drop it from your list:why?

That wagon grew super fast and I dunno if we should be rushing this: someone said to use about four days?

though this is temping too. Hand wringing about the speed of an early pressure wagon is more likely to come from scum than town.

Thestatusquo · Post Post #140 (isolation #8) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:37 am

In post 138, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 129, Nina Williams wrote:tehbrawlguy: is your miller ability related to your color?

About TSQ: the action is scummy, that's all I care about right now. If I am wrong, please correct me.

About Spiffeh: You are correct. I think my brain made some crazy twist there. But hey, at least I can have you as a townread for pointing out my own mistake. But if you really think I would make a fabricated reads list, calling a partner scum and forgetting to list him as a scumread, I would be disappointed.
what action exactly? I came in and posted more or less at random like literally anyone else here.

Actually, fuck it. I've convinced myself of this.

VOTE: nina

ugh and the role fishing here too.

:/

Thestatusquo · Post Post #160 (isolation #9) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:59 am

In post 145, beeboy wrote:Like TSQ said earlier this game we are just doing arbitrary actions right now so none of his flailing really matters and we should still flip him.

-not caring about finding scum: check.
-well poisoning: check.
-being a condescending asshole: check.
-doing nothing to help town: check.

cool. beeboy is still the same person.

nothing to see here. Pie, I want to go more in depth on some of the things you've said so I think its going to take a moment to get to you. I'm not ignoring you though.