Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

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VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

As is tradition.

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No stalling, let's wagon

VOTE: Karnos

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Meh, I'd want to see the other game too.

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I get what he's saying, I don't think it's a big deal, I do that as town.

Something is pinging me really hard about your post though.

VOTE: Maruchan

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We decided last game it was not a great idea.

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What N-0 cop claim?

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Lol that's pretty funny.

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What's pinging me about 27 is that I'm being talked to in a way (tone wise) that usually only comes about when someone has a strong town read on me later in the game. There's of course no way to know I'm town yet, unless you are scum. I also don't like the "it's a really good catch" part (feels like a buddy) but then saying it's not worthy of a vote. But then unless you give content he's highly inclined to vote. It feels like he doesn't have a real opinion, but he's trying to make it seem like he does.

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The Karnos wagon is old news, Maruchan is the hip new thing now.

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VOTE: karnos
game to slow? let's get a wagon rolling!

L-2

Also, this is another tradition lol. Karnos loves the early votes.

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Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

This is weird.

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Damn shotty, you gotta stop entering diffusion of power games, bad things happen to you when you do. Sorry to hear that.

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See 36.

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Penguin prod please Dave.

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Maruchan can you respond to my post? Can other people pressure please if you agree with me?

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Ranger, any reason you are waiting to vote?

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(Inb4 you say "yes" and nothing else)

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Just something in the last 2.5 days would have been good Penguin so we know you still exist, that's all.

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his buddy is probably maruchan

I'm not sure if you are serious here but I actually believe this.

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Maru if you are going to overreact like that to every post about you, you are going to be lynched.

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I'm ok with that.

VOTE: Podo

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Because the unvote was terrible, really looks like he was looking for a reason to take it off.

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See 109 Penguin.

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Mind explaining the Karnos read a bit more if you are sticking to it?

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On another site?

Also, are you an alt?

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Gotcha.

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L-1

We are either all on scum or there's scum on the wagon. So let's figure out if podo is legit scum or if some of the votes look sketchy.

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Disagree

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Why do I feel like I have deja vu.

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I think smithereens looks not so good right now.

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I think it's TvT also, less sure though. I want to see where it goes though.

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less sure though

I want to see where it goes

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Shotty triple voter confirmed

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So you're saying, I won't get lynched because I'm scum. I won't get lynched because I'm scumym town. I'll get lynched because you don't like my personality trait of being overtly verbose and explaining everything to minute detail? I thought the goal was to find scum, not to find people who annoy us? But then again, this is from the guy who thinks scumhunting is done in a bubble, without any group interaction and support. Not surprising your methods point you towards those that annoy you rather than scum. Shitty methods, shitty results.

I'm saying it makes you look scummy.

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You then go on to explain your vote less than a minute, almsot as an afterthought like "Oh shit, you know, maybe I should provide a better reason for my vote other than just following shotty". People who care who they lynch (IE: Town, who have to lynch correctly), don't come up with reasons for their vote, post-vote, as an afterthought. They have reasons they express before or in the same post as voting. Because the vote is the most powerful tool the town have.

Meta me if you want to, I post frequently and whenever I have a thought and often post multiple times in quick succession.

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VOTE: Smithereens

Vote on Podo looks the worst and I think podo looks ok now.

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not enough time to do a real post, but i had time to skim, and want to post this here VOTE: Ranger he wants to play the "sure i can but you didn't ask would I" game, well this is my form of asking will he now.

enjoy

This is just an NAI Ranger thing she does early on.
(Her pronoun is she by the way.)

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i really find it hard to believe that your reads are unchanged after 66.

I agree, maybe scum ranger decided to skim a bit?

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199 isn't a defense, it's just a fact about Ranger's playstyle.

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I don't really understand what you are accusing me of. I said I agree that Ranger not changing reads is strange. I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case). What's the issue?

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I'd acquiesce to smith but murder has been bad all day.

I don't know what you are on about, as far as I can see most people are town reading me. Did you see my last post to you?

I don't really understand what you are accusing me of. I said I agree that Ranger not changing reads is strange. I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case). What's the issue?

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I like Ranger's list.

I assume we aren't going to get much in term of reasoning for the vote (Ranger feel free to let us know how Penguin moved down despite not posting) so let's just wagon here and see what happens.

VOTE: Penguin

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Oh there was 203. What makes you dislike that post Ranger?

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Did you miss this post?

Did you see my last post to you?

I don't really understand what you are accusing me of. I said I agree that Ranger not changing reads is strange. I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case). What's the issue?

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Man this game is slow as shit.

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I think Ranger is probably town now though.

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Ranger is almost certainly town, IMO.

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Can't say I'm enjoying your ISO.

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Let's wagon here, the Ranger votes are terrible.

VOTE: Smithereens

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Before posting more content... where did that Smithereens wagon come from?

Who cares? Join it! You might learn something.

Bad post

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VOTE: Ananenin

you're right i don't

VOTE: anenien (sp?)

Bad votes

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Anen and Ranger, how do you feel about penguin being on the podoboq wagon?

VOTE: podoboq

Sheeping Anen about Smith.

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Ah, I think I missed that in the wall. I am inclined to think you (we, as in me, you, ranger) are wrong about penguin.

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Thoughts?

{Aneninen, Ranger}
{karnos, drmyshottyizsik, Chip Butty}
{SirCakez, Maruchan}
{Transcend, DixC, PenguinPower}
{podoboq, Smithereens}

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I like Anen. DixC I think one of your posts was weird, I forget which one though. I can try to find it later. Ranger is town, meta her.

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Everyone in this game who knows me knows I'm town.

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Anen's thoughts are lining up very closely with mine.

DixC hasn't really done anything except for 257 and 271. 257 contains no analysis at all and 271 makes no sense to me. Nothing sticks out as town in the whole iso.

I don't have to wall to provide my input and the fact that my input is short doesn't make it less valuable.

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I'm town reading Ranger for the same reason I am town reading Anen, and no I don't think it's meaningless, at least not on day 1.

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What direct question did I not answer?

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5 days left and we don't have shit. We need to wagon.

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I feel better about podoboq because both podoboq and smith are scummy to me, but podoboq is on smith.

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ok

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I get what he's saying, I don't think it's a big deal, I do that as town.

Something is pinging me really hard about your post though.

VOTE: Maruchan

I'm not really bothered by it. The game is two days in with one page to look at. He's just over analyzing. That's not scummy.

What's pinging me about 27 is that I'm being talked to in a way (tone wise) that usually only comes about when someone has a strong town read on me later in the game. There's of course no way to know I'm town yet, unless you are scum. I also don't like the "it's a really good catch" part (feels like a buddy) but then saying it's not worthy of a vote. But then unless you give content he's highly inclined to vote. It feels like he doesn't have a real opinion, but he's trying to make it seem like he does.

Hmmm.

Sure, my vote on Cakez isn't doing anything except being cute, and I'm picking up what you're putting down.

VOTE: Maruchan

This switch definitely stood out. I don't really see why anyone else would sheep me there.

@post 98

UNVOTE:

Those are all really damn good points, and more importantly, exactly the response I would expect from town. In my experience, scum tends to worry about showing that something got under their skin. Not so here.

And then off again later. I don't know, I don't read super confused towny out of podoboq so the back and forth is confusing.

TOWNY:

Spoiler: Maruchan

Already explained. I liked his wall. Haven't read the recent one, yet. That's next.

And now towny? Idk, feels fake.

OK, so Maru is basically obv town to me.

Now obv town.

I'm just not buying it. Maru hasn't done that much and is not obv town. The one issue I have is that I didn't love the initial wagon. Let's try again though and see what happens this time.

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I want to see who jumps on again and who doesn't and why. And yeah of course podo could be town thinking smith is scum, I still don't love voting with scum reads though.

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This is a scum driven wagon.

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I've already explicitly called you scum.

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I think the people on my wagon are scummy. That's transcend, Karnos, podo. At least 1 is scum. I'm going to bed now, sorry tell me what you want specifically and I'll provide it tomorrow.

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Actually before I sleep let me make a request. Since nothing is happening in this game anyway, how about you go read through a completed game of mine? Pick one at random I'm town in all of them.

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I think Transcend and shotty are easy mislynches

slip

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Saying "I don't like this" "I don't like this" "other stuff is bad too" "I feel like changing my vote" is not good scum hunting lmao. Like I don't think Karnos is a bad player but that isn't "genuinely good scumhunting."

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I agree about Karnos, I just think podo is BSing to push me.

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I'm honestly not sure how to parse that sentence.

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My issue with the town read on Maru is that there was nothing in that wall that made him seem obv town. I do think there was scum on your wagon, but that doesn't mean you aren't scum.

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So podo goes from saying a post isn't a problem and then sheeping me about it. I think that's strange, TBH because my reasoning was pretty gut based. And then to go to immediately town reading from a wall that honestly was not that AI makes it seem like podo is not really forming his own reads.

I think smith was the worst one on the podo wagon. Although Karnos is looking someone opportunistic to me too now considering the recent vote on me.

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Yeah, I read the wall. I just don't agree with it at all really.

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Ok, transcend I can do smith.

VOTE: smith

You are obv town now by the way, but I agree with your point about not looking super towny earlier. I'll default to your judgement about podo as I am still not liking how fast that wagon grew.

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I think you might be right.

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Because I think I'm obv town, duh. DixC was also on me, I just missed a name.

Actually though, the fact that none of my strong town reads are on me makes me suspicious of my wagon.

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Scum claim

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Who are the 2 scum you know

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: DixC

Let's try this. By the way Smith did you read the last game? Someome did what you are doing (assuming you are town) and was completely wrong.

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Wait that Maru post is so bad.

VOTE: Maru

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I agree with the lylo comment at least, but we should try and hit scum. I think Smith probably flips town now.

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Day 1 is different from all other days.

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I want to add, I find shotty's selective engagement curious, at best.

Pedit: speak of the devil

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On day 1 there is no hard information, so gut reads are basically all you have. The later you get the more hard information you have and gut reads are much less important.

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Haha ok. By the way, are you scum?

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I think DixC is scum with Maru by the way.

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Sometimes the best strategy is to just ask nicely.

(Ok enough fluff, I'm going to back up 462 now.)

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So I already mentioned why 27 bugs me and 98 is obviously an overreaction even when considering that Maru likes to wall. 171 has a lot of BS reasoning which doesn't feel like someone figuring out the game and instead feels like someone who is trying to make other people look bad.

Spoiler: Examples

Agree with the above, and...

SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: karnos
I was waiting for something....else, but no, this is still it. There needs to be some pressure on karnos to make him actually participate, because this doesn't count.

This is a good post. We were starting to slowly pull ourselves out of RVS at that point, and here comes Karnos rolling back in with a "Hey have some RVS bishes!" post, and no help to the game at all. He tries to throw a shred of validity on it by WIFOMing "what are the odds" of back to back scum rolls. Which in a game of exactly the same setup, the odds of back to back scum roles,

are the exact same odds of any single one of us rolling scum

because each game is played in a bubble, so outside factors do not place any pressure on the pure randomness of each game.

VOTE: podo
n-0 guilty confirmed, his buddy is probably maruchan

Speaking of players trying to drag us back into RVS hand over foot, here comes shotty. He (blatantly obviously sarcastically) pretends he is a night 0 cop, based off someone else attempting it in the last game, and says pod is scum (a little foreshadowing hindsight 20/20 thing, he later unvotes pod because he's too close to a lynch, showing how even more blatantly RVS this is). And hey look he puts at the towns other biggest scumread as his likely scumbuddy. that's like coming in and going "yeah, i agree with the over-all town consensus 100%, these two are the scum team. game over". yeahno. gtfo

Maru if you are going to overreact like that to every post about you, you are going to be lynched.

So you're saying, I won't get lynched because I'm scum. I won't get lynched because I'm scumym town. I'll get lynched because you don't like my personality trait of being overtly verbose and explaining everything to minute detail? I thought the goal was to find scum, not to find people who annoy us? But then again, this is from the guy who thinks scumhunting is done in a bubble, without any group interaction and support. Not surprising your methods point you towards those that annoy you rather than scum. Shitty methods, shitty results.

Honestly pretty much that whole post is like that, no real attempt to figure things out, just calling people out on stuff that is obviously joking or not AI.

That huge wall actually just ends with a vote on shotty for giving intent to hammer, so obviously all of that "content" added up to nothing.

191 is apparently a pressure, 'do as I say' vote, but then Ranger is a legitimate scum read in 292. Then between 417 and 443 Smith goes from a real scum read to someone who should be policy lynched and being treated as town, as Ranger pointed out.


And now DixC.

DixC has basically no strong opinions at all at the beginning of the game and doesn't really do much of anything. That is until 257 when he calls podo obv scum (essentially) but doesn't vote there. Then he votes me which is of course terrible. What's interesting is that in 193 DixC says this about why Podo got to L-1:

'cause he text-walled against accusations that deserved less than a line.

However in response to Maru's wall (98), DixC said:

this an accurate post ... My conclusion is that we're on the right course shutting down people that try to shut down people.

I think this is a pretty obvious contradiction and I think it exists because DixC wants podo to look bad and Maru to look good.

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Guys lets do Maru.

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Shotty sheep me, I always catch scum on day 1.

(I've never caught scum on day 1.)

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Read everything I said about Maru above.

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Lol, I guess I'm sheeping you then Shotty.

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I think Transcend is acting like town, changing your mind is not scummy.

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I have the biggest gut scum read on DixC and I can't shake it.

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Pretty confident about Trans as town now.

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That's fine, I don't do good reads ever.

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it's possible that this is a plan communicated between the two over day chat.

Do we know this setup has or does not have day chat? I looked but didn't see. Is this a slip?

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damn

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Wifom, really.

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distract, I'm guessing.

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Smith if you are town who flips while self voting I will ignore everything you've said this game as coming from a player who doesn't know what they're doing.

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Smith idk what the fuck you are talking about because I unvoted you. I find people with egos like yours to be completely insufferable and I'm considering replacing out over it. I'd prefer if you replaced out actually if the game makes you this angry.

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Ok, no problem.

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We are good.

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I agree with chip, I think neither wagon is great.

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Where do you think we should be voting though Chip?

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maybe later

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He is saying podo softclaimed.

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"I'd rather get mislynched than have Maru lynched..."

Are you even listening to what you're saying at this point?

I believe that Maru is almost definitely town at this point. I think it'd be bullshit to lynch a V/LA, and if it's me or Maru, I'd rather it be me. Plus, I believe Maru has more value to this game than I do in the long run.

I can't divulge further right now.

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I think podo is probs town, along with smith probably.

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I want Maru please.

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I'll deadline hammer if needed, he will probably flip town though.

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Hey Dunn.

Extend for like 24 hours? I think that's reasonable. How much time do you want to read Dunn, there isn't that much.

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Oh yeah, by the way Dunn I think you are scum.

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Number away from a lynch (L-1 means then next vote would be a hammer).

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I think I agree with that. Probably both town though.

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Currently null on Shotty, but I've had similar thoughts.

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Ranger vote is terrible, lynch Dunn please.

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Dunn admit you can't read me day 1

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That was terrible.
I'm pretty sure that Shotty's aware of the fact there can be Cops and Docs with the same Night ability.

I think you misunderstood Shotty's point.

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I'd pick Shotty or Penguin.

Agree 100%

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IME, it's the people who you feel like aren't actually doing anything who are most likely scum on day 1, not the people who had that "super obvious scum tell" that you noticed because you're a scum hunting god. Those people always seems to be town...

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VOTE: Penguin

Let's go

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Calling it now for post game gloating:

{DixC, Penguin, Shotty}

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This is it, I'm finally going to get night killed night 1 for having sick reads.

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I have voted Shotty today

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No penguin > Shotty by far IMO

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That was at Anen, I agree with Transcend.

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I think the main reason Penguin is happening is that it's close to deadline and podo pointed out how many people don't like penguin.

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claim please

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Why not get as much information as possible? What he says is useful even if he is scum.

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Chip, ask for a claim please.

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Ranger vote penguin please when you are back.

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shotty hammer this please

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If he flips town that's a scum claim from Karnos as far as I'm concerned

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That literally only makes sense if both Smith and Podo are scum and I'm willing to bet my life that at least 1 is town.

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I think this is where we are at:

Unofficial Vote Count

PenguinPower

(6): podoboq, MURDERCAT, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty, Aneninen

(L-1)

podoboq

(3): PenguinPower, Smithereens, Ranger,

Smithereens

(3): karnos, drmyshottyizsik, Dunnstral

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-07-03 12:59:53)

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We absolutely need a hammer on penguin, EVEN IF YOU THINK PENGUIN MIGHT BE TOWN. If no one will hammer I will death tunnel Penguin and then death tunnel everyone who would not hammer penguin.

4 hours left. SOMEBODY HAMMER. HE REFUSED TO CLAIM FFS.

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Ok thank you.

If he's scum he might not though so someone else still should.

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No time left Shotty.

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#FreeShotty

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I'm around tonight to catch up, we have time now right? I will probably hammer smith if no one else has.

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I like smith more than you. I think I still like penguin though because he refused to claim which was weird to me, but whatever that wagon is dead now I guess.

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We are lucky, I wouldn't have given an extension and I don't think we deserved it, but the mod is benevolent.

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Sorry, I like the wagon, as in I would prefer to lynch.

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Yes, I know you did, but scum would also prefer not having to claim so it's hard to believe you.

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no list?

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I could do Dunn, but do we have time?

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VOTE: Dunn

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Ranger not giving a list what's going on. How do I sheep. Someone hold me.

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Dunn I know you know I'm obv town

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1/3 chance of

4 Docs/6 Cops

, 1/3 5 Docs/5 Cops, 1/3

4 Docs/6 Cops

Mafia know how many Docs/Cops but not which night
Town roles are individually randomized night 1-5 with equal probability
Role is flipped but not what night.
Investigations return town/mafia but not role or night.

@Mod, is this correct?

should be flipped, 6/4 for the last one

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Chip's case looks legit.

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How the hell did Smith wriggle out of that yet again?
VOTE: Smithereens

Dunnstral slot is town pretty sure
Maru's posting was gross at times but I think Dunn's posting has been transparently town

Are you scum??

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We should have 2 basically confirmed townies, lets see who they are.

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This is it, I'm finally going to get night killed night 1 for having sick reads.

Fuck yeah lets go

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Lol yeah maybe. But we can now talk about the game that just ended where I had 2/3 scum dead to rights on day 1 so then again maybe not. I know I wasn't shot for reputation and I know I wasn't shot for being obv town, so maybe I actually do have decent reads.

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I can't help but feel Dunn DixC are scum and that's why I was shot at, but I will reread.

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We'll see after my reread, the wagons will give us a lot.

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Because Ranger was the obvious shot on night 1, try again.

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Like I said, we'll see after a reread and wagon analysis. I am leaning Dunn personally and I really

really

think DixC is scum because that would totally explain why I was shot at.

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If you are town I will figure it out.

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Why not Dunn

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If you believe scum submitted a kill then we are town (assuming no one else claims a protect).

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Dunn, transcend went from top tier town in your first post to obv scum pretty quick, huh?

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Can you point out exactly what posts you didn't like and why?

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Explain the second one.

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VOTE: Dunn

Nah...

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Ok I think 1 and only 1 of these wagons is on scum. Scum is jumping onto the counter wagon for sure.

Spoiler: Who is the scum???

It's Dunn.

And I think he's doing his best to distance because he's knows he's cooked.

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L-1

Lets not insta hammer please

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Why would DixC go off Dunn if he's Trans' buddy?

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With Transcend as the counterwagon? I doubt it.

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UNVOTE:

until I reread

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If you believe scum submitted a kill

That's the key. Anyway Ranger is nearly conf town for me because if they were going to pull this gambit they wouldn't do it to me, someone already heavily town reading Ranger.

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VOTE: Dunn

I really don't need to read, this is fine.

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What? He's at L-3 and the posting on this page is just terrible.

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VOTE: Transcend

Yeah OK it's just Transcend, he wouldn't be ignoring me otherwise

Note: DixC voted me because my slot was "tied to the hip" with podoboq

and his progression doesn't make sense

VOTE: DixC

Let's get him please, look at 1093

Throwing votes around like this?

[MURDERCAT]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8025023

Here's Dunn calmly being hammered nearly 200 pages into a game.

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Maybe, I still carried the game and got you a win so

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Anyway, Dix and Dunn are both scum I think. Notice how Dix is a strong town read until Dunn is afraid he is going to flip, then suddenly he's "obv" scum.

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Cake come on, are you for real? 2 posts apart? You scum too? I need to go reread the last game...

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I would lynch Dix today, but not with you leading it.

[MURDERCAT]

Cake I want you to lay out exactly what about Dunn's posting today makes you think he is town.

[MURDERCAT]

You said his posting today was town desperation, I want you to explain what makes you think that please. Especially in light of the game I posted where he did not flail at all as town.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm getting ~~vibes~~

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: VCA if you believe claims

karnos

(4): DixC, PenguinPower, Transcend, SirCakez

Ranger

(2): Aneninen,

karnos

MURDERCAT

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

,

podoboq

, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2):

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

podoboq

(5): Chip Butty, drmyshottyizsik,

MURDERCAT

,

Smithereens

,

karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(2):

Ranger

, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(3): DixC,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Chip Butty,

MURDERCAT

, PenguinPower

karnos

(2):

podoboq

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(1): Transcend

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(1):

Ranger

Ranger

(3): Aneninen, DixC, Maruchan

Smithereens

(2):

MURDERCAT

,

karnos

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(2): Transcend,

podoboq

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(3): drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan, PenguinPower

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

PenguinPower

(2):

Ranger

,

MURDERCAT

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1):

podoboq

podoboq

(1): Aneninen

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(4):

karnos

, SirCakez, Transcend,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(3): DixC, Maruchan,

podoboq

drmyshottyizsik

(2):

Smithereens

, Chip Butty

podoboq

(2): Aneninen, PenguinPower

SirCakez

(1): drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(3):

karnos

, SirCakez,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Ranger

(2): DixC, Maruchan

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

MURDERCAT

(1): Transcend

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

MURDERCAT

(4): Transcend, DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

Smithereens

(1): SirCakez

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Transcend

(1): drmyshottyizsik

Aneninen

(1):

Smithereens

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

PenguinPower

(1):

Ranger

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

MURDERCAT

,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(3): DixC,

karnos

,

podoboq

Aneninen

(2):

Smithereens

, drmyshottyizsik

Smithereens

(2): SirCakez, Transcend

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Maruchan

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

MURDERCAT

(2): DixC,

karnos

Aneninen

(1): drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(6): SirCakez, Transcend,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(3): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

Maruchan

(3):

MURDERCAT

, drmyshottyizsik, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

Smithereens

,

karnos

podoboq

(4): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Ranger

, drmyshottyizsik,

Smithereens

Smithereens

(4): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Maruchan,

karnos

Maruchan

(2):

MURDERCAT

, DixC

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(1): Transcend

podoboq

(6): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC, drmyshottyizsik

[L-1]

Smithereens

(5): SirCakez,

podoboq

, Dunnstral,

karnos

, Transcend

[L-2]

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Dunnstral

(1):

MURDERCAT

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(5): Aneninen, PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

, DixC

PenguinPower

(4):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): Chip Butty

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

PenguinPower

(6):

podoboq

,

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty, Aneninen

(L-1)

podoboq

(3): PenguinPower,

Smithereens

,

Ranger

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Ranger

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0):

None.

podoboq

(6): PenguinPower,

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

podoboq

, Aneninen, drmyshottyizsik

PenguinPower

(4):

MURDERCAT

, Transcend, SirCakez, Chip Butty

Smithereens

(2):

karnos

, Dunnstral

MURDERCAT

(1): DixC

Not Voting

(0):

None.

Smithereens

(5):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez

Dunnstral

(3):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

Aneninen

(2): DixC, Dunnstral

Not Voting

(3): Aneninen, Chip Butty, Transcend

Smithereens

(7):

karnos

, drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower,

podoboq

, SirCakez, Transcend, Dunnstral

(LYNCH)

Dunnstral

(5):

Ranger

,

Smithereens

,

MURDERCAT

, Chip Butty, DixC

Not Voting

(1): Aneninen

[MURDERCAT]

Transcend you can sheep me btw

VOTE: Dunnstral
He is scum with Transcend
Thatpost

We know that if someone gets an early game run it's likely because scum are involved. Do not think me ignorant here, i know that there is a high likely hood that we have more village in our sites than mafia. I knew not to hammer Penguin because of this, I knew not to hammer smith because of this. I made some noise so I could get some votes moved around and sift through where players would go.

From this we have a good sense that ranger's list is reasonable:

{Murdercat}
{karnos, Aneninen, Persivul, Chip Butty}
{DixC, podoboq, PenguinPower}
{SirCakez}
{VOTE: Dunnstral, Transcend}

Just look at the scum-trains, the ISO, and my God the hammer!

^backing of until we hear from others (perhaps more N1 cops/docs?)
VOTE: SirCakez

DixC and cake are scum together I'm like 95% sure.

And no, it has nothing to do with my last post.

For post game gloating:

{Cake, DixC, Dunn}

is your scum team.

[MURDERCAT]

Oops..

Ignore the quotes for now.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: ~~~~~vibes~~~~~

Imo Maruchan did well to get this game rolling. You could at the very least be a tad grateful. I dislike Sircakez calling it a big ball of fluff when literally it's one of the only posts made thus far that has attempted to progress the game. Why is Maruchan a big ball of fluff but nobody else is?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

It was fluffy because it was all a big fencesit. It didn't really progress the game at all and I'm not sure why you think it did.
DixC's vote on Shotty for the dog story was really terrible as well.

It was a terrible vote, i;e made no sense as reasoning for a vote. Jury's still out as to whether it was from scum or town.

I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case).

Lazy is literally my playstyle.

Where do you think I got into the habit of posting nothing but readslists in the first place?

Why do I feel like you're barely doing anything here?

Because I'm barely doing anything here?

Ranger, comparing post rates and updates I see a significant difference in this game: what are some queries that might help you out here?

Mostly, talking to others. I suppose talking to me is not without benefits, but I can't think of anything. Like I said, largely reactionary.
{karnos, Aneninen}
{SirCakez}
{Smithereens, shotty, Chip Butty, Murdercat}
{DixC}
{Maruchan, Transcend}
{podoboq, PenguinPower}

Scum read: too lazy to do work but so not-lazy that you'll work on telling people that you're lazy? Also preternatural lack of lazy basis for good outcomes... crazy, yes, lazy, no.

Town Read:Not concerned enough with my question to actually answer it. Has podoboq at bottom of the list.

On the one hand, this game is off to a very slow start.
On the other hand, I'm curious to see how ranger's read lists look with such a small sample of posts to read from.

Whut?
As the first post on Page2?

Maruchan's 27 is forced. Scummy.
Murdercat has noticed it in 28. Good. Townish.

VOTE: karnos
game to slow? let's get a wagon rolling!

L-2

La wow! If Maruchan's scum, Shotty's scum too.

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

No, I'm saying that he should have owned up to it. He didn't. He defended the inconsistency, and it's the fact that he didn't own up to it that's a problem.

WTF? I made the point about taking pressure of in #50. #51 was unrelated, from Karnos. And that quote I said could have been coaching was in #52. Shooty didn't reply at all to #50, but you say he defended the inconsistency??? That's BS, pure and simple.
Now you are definitely on my scumdar.

Parrot Bebop.

Podoboq seems to be flailing, eg. 56.

{karnos}
{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat, Smithereens}
{Chip Butty, shotty}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}

Ranger's town again. Good to know.

scum read: is scum if maruchan and shorty are scum
town read: is not scum if Ranger is scum

OK, so Maru is basically obv town to me. If you don't understand why, try treading what he posts. If it still doesn't make sense to you, slap yourself in the face three times, then ask me why, and I'll spell out for you how Maru is being the most supportive of pro-town play and showing the most opposition toward people who are showing anti-town play.

Scum read: is scum
Town read: is scum

What the heck does this mean?

What makes you dislike that post Ranger?

...Stuff.

I know that's a cop-out (no pun intended, given the setup) answer, but I'm actually not in the state of mind where I can answer. Just getting caught up in all of my games and going to sleep for tonight. (I'm planning on putting more attention into them over the weekend.)

Pls do more then.

I'll do more when I feel like it. (And have energy for it, which I don't, but the feeling like it is just as important.) I currently do not.

Why aren't you happy with the Smithereens wagon?

Karnos is pushing murdercat for looking like he's just trying to look busy.
I'm pushing murdercat for looking like he's just trying to look busy.
Murdercat says Karnos is probably town, but I'm coming up with BS reasons to push him, when Karnos and I have the same reason to push him.

There is an inconsistency there.

I don't think Murder is trying to look busy, he is getting wagoned after all...

My reads are mostly the same. Transcend has moved to my town pool for really obvtown posting over the last few pages. Maru and Podo have also moved into my townpool.

So townpool = (Maru, Podo, Transcend)
Scumpool = (Smith, Dix, Penguin)

So Dix is Penguin and Smith's scum buddy looks like

No surprise Podo has me low, i've had him marked as scum forever.

Smith didn't go after Penguin, nor did anyone else that could have hammered Penguin.

The probability of there being two-three scum in this list is high:
podoboq,
MURDERCAT,
Transcend,
SirCakez,
Chip Butty,
Aneninen

The probability of there being one scum in this list is moderate:
PenguinPower,
Smithereens,
Ranger,
karnos,
drmyshottyizsik,
Dunnstral

That literally only makes sense if both Smith and Podo are scum and I'm willing to bet my life that at least 1 is town.

Now this is telling. Not that MurderCat is on the side of pod or smith, but that murdercat is trying to imply a discordance between he two so large that he is 100% certain.

The only way to be so certain is to 1) lie or 2) know because you are scum.

Based on what we know we should restrict our kill to someone on this list:

podoboq,
MURDERCAT,
Transcend,
SirCakez,
Chip Butty,
Aneninen

OMG
We can't hold a wagon together on anyone *facepalm*
Penguin's posting was terrible but the wagon in him dissolved for...no reason. That's a big scum tell.

Still stand by Penguin/Six/Smith scum team
I'm hammering Smith in the morning

How the hell did Smith wriggle out of that yet again?
VOTE: Smithereens

Dunnstral slot is town pretty sure
Maru's posting was gross at times but I think Dunn's posting has been transparently town

Are you scum??

I'm at 90% on Cakes being scum

VOTE: Dunstral

Smith has too many votes for comfort: If you aren't evil move over to Dunstral.

[MURDERCAT]

2 people vaguely scum reading each other with no evidence and without actually voting or pushing each other = 2 scum buddies distancing.

[MURDERCAT]

Nah, I feel pretty good about it actually.

[MURDERCAT]

Don'y worry, once we lynch you we will lynch Dix/cakes for you.

[MURDERCAT]

Not really concerned with that possibility at the moment, but sure.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: DixC

I want this wagoned now please.

[MURDERCAT]

Transcend, on DixC please. Everyone on DixC please.

[MURDERCAT]

podo pls are you 12

Vote DixC with me.

[MURDERCAT]

Ranger, I know you'll not love this, but this wagon needs to get to L-1 at least so just trust me for a bit.

[MURDERCAT]

damn aneninen has scumtold into oblivion the past few posts he's made

What?? I like all those posts