New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Wake1]

0001

AGar

———✶

Would you please explain yourself?

Airick10

———✶

We'll not forget you're in this game. Enjoy your V/LA.

Almost50

———✶

I question

podoboq

's current vote. What do you think?

Boem_u_dusi

———✶

Please contribute more.

Dunnstral

———✶

Why exactly was the

Transcend

vote better than

podoboq

?

implosion

———✶

Do you have any gut feelings on anyone at the moment?

Lapsa

———✶

I'd like to know what your gut's telling you.

Mirhawk

———✶

Honestly,

Performer

didn't say he wanted it to stand out. Are you assuming he did?

Nosferatu

———✶

Please contribute more.

PeregrineV

———✶

Peregrine

, what do you think of

Agar

's current posts?

Performer

———✶

I think at this point no-lynching serves little purpose.

podoboq

———✶

I'm asking you to provide the rationale behind your vote please.

shannon

———✶

Closed Setups are pretty fun! If you would, how much game experience do you have?

Sickofit1138

———✶

Interested in knowing your rationale for liking

implosion

so far.

Titus

———✶

Regarding 6, you seem sober in 11.

Transcend

———✶

Performer

could be trying to gain information from reactions to the No-Lynch.

Varsoon

———✶

Anyone you wouldn't be willing to vote for today?

Zachstralkita

———✶

Not sure how I feel about you saying you have a 'little brain,' and the stylistic change in 82, 87.

*Went through knee surgery yesterday; I've been resting today with help from oxycodone. It's been rough.

[Wake1]

Not yet.
I'm considering just hopping on whatever's popular and seeing where that tides us.

That's one way to play the game—at least initially.

Wake, that's sort of a strange question to ask me given that I have elucidated several gut feelings.

At the time I asked, it means I want to know more.

Drunk doesn't mean completely out of control.

Sorry about the knee surgery.

Why does your bullet list feel like a checklist?

Hm. Thanks.

That's something you'll have to sort out.

[Wake1]

podoboq ———✶ I'm asking you to provide the rationale behind your vote please.

It's basically just RVS at this point. I'm trying to take time to read people before posting a lot this game, because I've learned recently that my reads kind of suck.

Can you explain the colors behind your post? Are they randomly selected, or does red mean scumlean, green townlead, etc?

Sorry to hear about your knee. I hope everything's alright.

Oh okay.

The colors are at random. No inherent meaning.

Thank you.

Dunnstral

———✶

Why exactly was the

Transcend

vote better than

podoboq

?

Transcend bad entrance and nothing really changed since then, podoboq was just a random wagon I was hopping on

I see.

[Wake1]

At the time I asked, it means I want to know more.

What precisely do you want that I didn't give in 81?

Basically what I want from you are more gut feelings.

[Wake1]

You're currently voting me, which means you're scumreading me no?

Not necessarily.

[Wake1]

You're currently voting me, which means you're scumreading me no?

Not necessarily.

Why are you interrupting my dialogue with Almost?

Why are you A) not being logically accurate and B) not responding to my valid point.

[Wake1]

Almost50 ———✶ I question podoboq's current vote. What do you think?

Not sure what you're talking about. Neither am I voting podoq nor is he voting me (at least on my count)

His current vote on me. What do you think about it?

Oh, I missed the last line. Get well soon, mate.

Thank you. It's been a rollercoaster.

[Wake1]

Why are you interrupting me Wake?

Almost, do you have any reads now?

This isn't a 19-man face-to-face conversation. It's a message-board thread.

Please don't avoid my questions Titus. It's making me feel uncomfortable about your alignment.

1)

You said that someone voting you means that person is scumreading you.

2)

I say that's not necessarily true, because it isn't.

3)

Instead of responding to my point you ask me why I'm interrupting you.

4)

Me: Like why are you not being logically and why are you avoiding the point. Please respond to my points Titus.

[Wake1]

Almost50, do you see that Titus is avoiding my point against her?

More people need to be aware of this.

[Wake1]

Why are you interrupting me Wake?

Almost, do you have any reads now?

This isn't a 19-man face-to-face conversation. It's a message-board thread.

Please don't avoid my questions Titus. It's making me feel uncomfortable about your alignment.

1)

You said that someone voting you means that person is scumreading you.

2)

I say that's not necessarily true, because it isn't.

3)

Instead of responding to my point you ask me why I'm interrupting you.

4)

Me: Like why are you not being logically and why are you avoiding the point. Please respond to my points Titus.

Yeah, a vote at this point is a scumread from someone actively following along, or it's someone who has no desire to sort the thread, which is a scumclaim. Your vote says "I want this person removed from the game".

You're being semantic and interrupting my questioning trying to sort Almost and trying to play semantic games while interpreting someone else's read rather than letting them speak for themselves.

See I don't really agree with that, and I say that with all the respect in the world. I've seen players vote other people they didn't necessarily Sumread just to see what their reaction would be. Heck, I've done that in the past. So knowing that when you say voting someone means you Scumread the person I have to say 'wait, that's not true, and here's why.'

I feel like you're inappropriately attaching meanings to actions and, well, if you're Town Town wouldn't do that. It's not true that a vote on someone at this point is a Scumread from someone actively following along. It's not automatically true. But you also change the meaning mid-sentence by saying OR the vote's from someone who has no desire to sort the thread. Which is it, and why must it be either? And then you attach a further meaning onto the second option by saying it must be a Scumclaim. I'm sorry but you're not being logically accurate, and at this point I'm trying to understand if it's just honest mistakes or something more deliberate. Whatever the case this needs to be sorted out immediately.

It also looks like you're attaching yet another meaning to that vote, that the voter wants someone removed from the game. You can't assume that. Not if you're honest. The person casting the vote could also be looking for reactions.

What you mistake for semantics is me trying to pin down exactly what you're trying to say (and what you mean), and wanting you to slow down and clarify your ungrounded assumptions. I have the right to question you whenever I want so long as the Day is open, and so does everyone else to anyone else. I have zero reason to wait until you and he are done exchanging, because you can easily see my post in the feed and respond back eventually. It's not even something to argue about, and instead tells me it's a distraction to try and get me off you with my questions.

Will you please acknowledge that someone voting you

does not

necessarily mean they're Scumreading you?

His current vote on me. What do you think about it?

Unfortunately I don't have a read on you nor on him. I don't think I've played with either of you before, so it may take me a bit longer to get a read on either/both of you.

My preliminary conclusion (and this is probably carved on water or sand at best) is that some players consider you a threat in this game. If they're town they're afraid of scum!you. If they're scum they're afraid of town!you.

Ok.. I've just ISO'd podoq, and I don't see why he called you that even before you posted when he said he didn't know you. The key here is whether he said that with tongue-in-cheek (i.e. you're actually friends), or if it came out of nowhere. Care to share?

I'm a threat in general because I can hit very hard and be thoroughly provocative at a whim, depending on what's going on in my personal life.

I don't know podo at all, so I thought it strange the way he behaved. He could be an alt.

[Wake1]

I'll be online tomorrow morning after therapy.

Be ready.

[Wake1]

Uh no, Mirhawk is overanalyzing the graph and replying to other posts that don't matter

Also I think I'll say Varsoon is mafia rather than insult his play

Nothing in this game exists unless the person who said it intended it to.

See, I find that curious.

How does your exactly comment reconcile scumslips?

[Wake1]

Varsoon is a werewolf

There is absolutely no reason to assume this.

Mirhawk is a werewolf too

Unless there's good reason to assume Werewolfs are in this game, please cease.

[Wake1]

Titus is obviously town here

Knowing we're only in Day 1, you can't know that. It's not obvious. I assume you know a skilled played can emulate her play.

[Wake1]

Varsoon is a werewolf

There is absolutely no reason to assume this.

Mirhawk is a werewolf too

Unless there's good reason to assume Werewolfs are in this game, please cease.

They're scum-aligned

Are they Mafioso, or Werewolf?

Because you mentioned Werewolves.

Why?

[Wake1]

Uh no, Mirhawk is overanalyzing the graph and replying to other posts that don't matter

Also I think I'll say Varsoon is mafia rather than insult his play

Nothing in this game exists unless the person who said it intended it to.

See, I find that curious.

How does your exactly comment reconcile scumslips?

Scum make mistakes too. Just because they meant to make a comment doesn't mean they noticed something was wrong with it.

Most scumslips are garbage anyways. I've literally only ever seen two, and neither was really a real scumslip anyways. I've never seen one that someone "found" actually turn out to be scum.

Do you think that most things people say in this game are not calculated?

So, in essence, things can exist in this game even if they're unintended.

In my experience there have been plenty of times where Scum say things that are questionable, leading them to be unraveled Days later. It's inevitable.

People like to believe they are calculating. Some more than others.

[Wake1]

Titus is obviously town here

Knowing we're only in Day 1, you can't know that. It's not obvious. I assume you know a skilled played can emulate her play.

Sorry.

I didn't hear you.

Was that a response?

[Wake1]

Let me put it this way.

Do you think the numbers on Zach's readslist which he painstakingly scrawled in microsoft paint were there unintentionally?

We're arguing over semantics here. Obviously nobody says anything without meaning to say it, but at the same time people can make mistakes when doing so. I don't thin this is relevant.

Anything posted in this thread that can be unraveled is relevant.

We agree in that people generally post what they mean but can also slip or make mistakes.

What's your current take on Zach? He posts frequently.

I can hear them howling

Yes, I see round about what you're getting at. We should discuss that more mason buddy but do be carefully.

Anyone have meta on Titus doing Mason gambits?

[Wake1]

Wake, can I get your opinion on Varsoon?

He's aloof as ever. Meaning, in spite of the tiniest things, I can't tell

Skilled player: should be prompted to participate further.

His brevity makes reading him difficult.

Varsoon, give me more exposition on who you think is Town/Scum and why.

[Wake1]

Titus is obviously town here

Knowing we're only in Day 1, you can't know that. It's not obvious. I assume you know a skilled played can emulate her play.

I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight, but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

Sorry.

I didn't hear you.

Was that a response?

For post 805:


I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight, but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

Ah. You had messed up your response earlier.

Making crystal clear.

...

On the matter of clarity

, I want you to verify that you thought I was speaking of you when I mentioned skill.

...because I meant Titus—a skilled player—who is capable of emulating her meta.

Clarify.

[Wake1]

What's your current take on Zach? He posts frequently.

(1)

My general impression is that I find his demeanor antitown.

(2)

He also says a lot of things that I just don't see town saying.

(3)

I don't like his reads much (though my own opinion of Dunn has gotten much worse over the last few pages), and

(4)

he flails at everyone who attacks him.

Anyone have meta on Titus doing Mason gambits?

No but

(5)

I'd put my level of trust in that being a legit claim somewhere around fifteen percent.

VOTE: Mirhawk

(1)

Uh-huh.

(2)

Specifics.

(3)

'Dislike.'

(4)

I wonder where.

(5)

[Wake1]

@Wake

no I knew you were talking about Titus

, thought I was being pretty clear in what I wrote

I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight,

but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled

and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

You're not being consistent.

You say you knew I was talking about Titus, but earlier you said I implied you weren't skilled.

I never said you weren't skilled.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Mirhawk, you know you're to respond.

[Wake1]

It could only be implied if the implication were that Dunnstral could emulate Titus' play.

But that would make zero sense.

So here we are, trying to get a straight answer.

[Wake1]

@Wake

no I knew you were talking about Titus

, thought I was being pretty clear in what I wrote

I said I'd give detailed reasons tonight,

but i liked how you implied I wasn't skilled

and wouldn't catch on to whatever Titus would try pulling

You're not being consistent.

You say you knew I was talking about Titus, but earlier you said I implied you weren't skilled.

I never said you weren't skilled.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Mirhawk, you know you're to respond.

I don't see a lack of consistency here.

You do realize I said Titus was skilled enough to emulate her meta and Dunnstral said she didn't appreciate the implication of her being unskilled right?

Because I'm trying to make fucking sense out of it. Either she genuinely misunderstood OR she's Scum trying to pull something.

[Wake1]

It could only be implied if the implication were that Dunnstral could emulate Titus' play.

But that would make zero sense.

So here we are, trying to get a straight answer.

You're trying to look fancy but it seems you had trouble with what I wrote in basic english? You're being dumb

Let's set the record clear. I never implied you weren't skilled. It wasn't about

you

. It was about Titus.

There. The record's been set straight. First one's free.

[Wake1]

0001

AGar

—

Airick10

—

Almost50

—

Boem_u_dusi

—

implosion

—

Lapsa

—

Mirhawk

—

Nosferatu

—

PeregrineV

—

Performer

—

podoboq

—

shannon

—

Sickofit1138

—

Titus

—

Transcend

—

Varsoon

—

Zachstralkita

—

~WILLING TO LYNCH~

Dunnstral

—

Dunnstral said Titus is Town in 780, to which I said in 785 she can't know that because it's only Day 1—that it wasn't obvious—and that I'm assuming Dunnstral knows that Titus is a skilled player who can emulate her meta. Meaning it can't be obvious because Scum-Titus knows exactly how to look like Town-Titus. Being non-linear, Dunnstrail in 805 then says I implied she wasn't skilled, which is false. It being false, I don't know if she's genuinely mistaken or trying to twist my words—the latter being far more serious. Asked her to clarify in 818. In 822 she says she knew what I was talking about Titus, and I checked her again in 833 due to her lack of consistency. Again in 837 she's pushing the falsehood, because no such implication was made unless there was a misunderstanding.

When 'skilled' was mentioned, it was regarding Titus, not Dunnstral. The latter doesn't/won't acknowledge it for unknown reasons.

[Wake1]

Updating Reads List.

[Wake1]

Lol.

[Wake1]

Wake can be vigged. At this point, I have zero desire to rehabilitate Wake (assuming he's town which he may not be) or to get in a long drawn out fight as to why masons are town. Wake's tunnelling on a mason claim based on something that "could be a misunderstanding."

First, you can go on the record saying you've never pulled a Mason gambit.

Second, it sounds like you're saying both you and Dunnstral are Masons.

Third, no one is confirmed unless by the game moderator.

[Wake1]

Was that a serious mason claim...

Unfortunately. I obviously wasn't going to let her get lynched

but whatever

now

If you and Titus truly were Masons you wouldn't allow her to be lynched under any circumstances.

[Wake1]

I'm saying I would know if Titus was faking or buddying up to me, or at least wouldn't townread her right away but it's whatever

Why are you saying this as if it's a concern or ever was if Titus is your mason partner?

Because I'm explaining my meaning to Wake? What are your thoughts on Wake's recent actions

He's trying to find shit out. I kinda like it.

THANK YOU.

[Wake1]

Like, I'm willing to believe that you read that post and interpreted it that way, but when you saw that a claimed mason was claiming not to care if their partner was lynched, was your first instinct really "this confirms that they're not really masons" rather than "hm, I bet I misread that"?

False.

I question why a claimed Mason would be like 'whatever' if their partner got lynched.

Questioning something does not mean I automatically believe or disbelieve it. Certainty Day 1 is always unwise.

[Wake1]

What I'd like to ascertain is whether or not Scum OR Town Titus is willing to fake-claim Mason to deceive Town.

If you know the answer Titus now would be a very good time to save me the trouble of searching.

[Wake1]

I have other thoughts, that require Internet and my laptop, not my phone and also sobriety. But! The one scum game I have with Titus (that I haven't "conveniently" forgotten, contrary to how she'd like you to see it), she claimed a fucking ridiculously modified vig role to save solely herself, at the expense of handing over control of our scumkill to the fucking TOWN some nights, even though it could have literally confirmed two mafia at any given point. Lynch the "mason". More tomorrow after Bright House hooks up my shit.

I would vote Titus off the strength of this, but that would require Dunn to be scum as well and I don't really see Dunn hard defending a scumbuddy like that.

One or both of them could be non-Mason Town.

Town has been known to fake-claim Mason status.

If they're Town but not Mason they're both still lying to us.

[Wake1]

Third,

you'd have to be exceptionally dumb

to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

Don't even.

I'm sure you and I in the past have tried ridiculous things that did pay off.

Nothing can be put past a skilled Scum player.

A skilled deceiver would want people to think he or she wouldn't/couldn't do something outrageous.

[Wake1]

I wouldn't fake claim

, no worries.

Were Titus to flip non-Mason, this would not bode well for you.

[Wake1]

Third,

you'd have to be exceptionally dumb

to seriously think I'd fakeclaim mason day 1 as scum.

Don't even.

I'm sure you and I in the past have tried ridiculous things that did pay off.

Nothing can be put past a skilled Scum player.

A skilled deceiver would want people to think he or she wouldn't/couldn't do something outrageous.

This is a strawman.

No it's not.

People aren't dumb to think you could do something outrageous like fakeclaim mason Day 1 as Scum.

I may not know

exactly

how your inner gears spin, but I know they're usually spinning quite intricately.

You saying you couldn't/wouldn't do something... does not mean you could not or would not do that very thing.

[Wake1]

I wouldn't fake claim

, no worries.

Were Titus to flip non-Mason, this would not bode well for you.

That's not going to happen

Time will tell.

[Wake1]

Perhaps, dumb but town

You can personally attack someone all you want but it's not doing you any favors.

[Wake1]

Wake, what's the ETA on that updated reads list?

When I feel like it.

[Wake1]

If you consider dumb a personal attack, maybe you should stop being dumb.

Dumb also is not a personal attack. If someone is being dumb, should we have a special word so you're feelings don't get hurt when you are indeed being dumb?

If this is Scum-Titus, it's very subtle Scum-Titus. Looking past the ironic illiteracy I see Scum-Titus very cautiously trying trying to get a dig in... in hopes of stirring division. Town-Titus I doubt would try to miscontrue 'dumb' as something other than a personal attack, while at the same time trying to play the 'feelings angle' to try and rile someone up. She did something similar in that Gundam game where she was Scum but played peace-maker yet tried to sow little seeds of discontent. At the moment I feel comfortable with this not for her words but for her subtle behavior.

VOTE: Titus

[Wake1]

VOTE: Wake for pushing Titus after the role claim.

Titus you're both experienced and have claimed a PR, from here whenever you vote I'm hitching myself to your wagon, unless I get better info myself.

VOTE: wake

UNVOTE: Titus

Finally, something interesting.

This shannon player is voting me because I'm pushing you Titus... because that's it. Now she says she's going to hitch herself to your wagon whenever you vote because you're a claimed PR. And Transcend just goes with it, no reason need apply.

Varsoon

,

Mirhawk

,

Zach

,

Lapsa

,

Implosion

,

Dunnstral

,

Titus

: This is a serious move. One that needs to be explained. Please, if you would, share your thoughts on this.

[Wake1]

Someone was calling for an investigative role on me

, and someone else voted and then moved (maybe this was Titus and Zach). I get that I'm not a great contributor this game, I think it's a combo of being sick, RL busy, other game busy, and unused to playing with so many people.

I would encourage an investigator not to waste their action

, and I'll try to do better to keep track of what's going on in the game and to contribute.

I'd be stoked to get cleared by an investigative PR.

This reads to me like you want the theoretical PR to not look in your direction.

[Wake1]

Someone was calling for an investigative role on me

, and someone else voted and then moved (maybe this was Titus and Zach). I get that I'm not a great contributor this game, I think it's a combo of being sick, RL busy, other game busy, and unused to playing with so many people.

I would encourage an investigator not to waste their action

, and I'll try to do better to keep track of what's going on in the game and to contribute.

I'd be stoked to get cleared by an investigative PR.

This reads to me like you want the theoretical PR to not look in your direction.

[Wake1]

Friggin' doublepost.

[Wake1]

People aren't dumb to think you could do something outrageous like fakeclaim mason Day 1 as Scum.

count me in. after seeing double bussing and town fake claiming - i'm dumb enough not to be surprised

i find it interesting that you seem fairly indecisive on this, Wake

You saying you couldn't/wouldn't do something... does not mean you could not or would not do that very thing.

are you dumb enough?

Not pointing fingers or anything. Just asking if you could clarify both parts of this so I don't misread it please.

[Wake1]

Personally, regarding my playstyle, I think it's healthy to literally question everything. Unless it's mod-confirmed. Where other players don't question, I do. It can be grating and abrasive, I know, but I'm a bit more cynical, paranoid, and curious. Hitting hard with these questions Day 1, in my experience, always makes the next Days easier, because if you can get players really talking early on you can go back in the past and see if their current words and actions mesh with their past words. We have literally nothing to go on Day 1 so it makes sense to spur discussion and reactions, even if it's not pleasant.

[Wake1]

Not pointing fingers or anything. Just asking if you could clarify both parts of this so I don't misread it please.

drop it. i don't think that will lead anywhere

Honestly I'd like to understand what you were saying, and I figure giving you the opportunity to clarify first would go a long way in me not misunderstanding something again. Just leveling with you Lapsa.

[Wake1]

Just leveling with you Lapsa.

failing at that

Could you talk more, please? You don't seem very receptive, and if you disagree with me I'd rather you say so with more of an explanation, rather than short, dismissive sentences. I'd like you to engage with me on this civilly. Talk with me about not only this but the other post about Transcend and shannon. Open up and share with me what you really think. Where am I going wrong and why? I have zero problem with criticism so long as it's not personal. If you agree with me on something please share it and we can work on that.

[Wake1]

Could you talk more, please? You don't seem very receptive, and if you disagree with me I'd rather you say so with more of an explanation, rather than short, dismissive sentences. I'd like you to engage with me on this civilly. Talk with me about not only this but the other post about Transcend and shannon. Open up and share with me what you really think. Where am I going wrong and why? I have zero problem with criticism so long as it's not personal. If you agree with me on something please share it and we can work on that.

well, at the moment i think your sudden increase of interest in me has been triggered by:

i seriously feel like witnessing multi-ball fighting

Not really. It's way too early to start talking about the Setup of this game, which is why I've avoided it thus far.

My increase in interest pertains to shannon and Transcend's scummy move.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of Boem at the moment?

[Wake1]

This is a serious move. One that needs to be explained. Please, if you would, share your thoughts on this.

Idk what you mean, it's pretty straightforward... pushing Titus after the mason claim is, on face, completely pointless. Not everyone follows the philosophy of "question literally everything"; I, for example, would claim that there are far too many things happening in a typical game of mafia to question them all without having a disheveled, impossible-to-follow game. Especially with something like a masonry claim, which is something that will conveniently sort itself out over nights when the masons die, and if they don't, then the question can be addressed later.

I am willing to see shannon as scum for the jump, potentially. I think that kind of taking things at face value that would lead to thinking that someone is scummy for continuing to push the masons is characteristic of how I would play as scum when I was fairly new to the site. But I don't think it's particularly strong.

Also, in most cases, it is in the town's interest to have investigative PRs hitting scum... guilties are much more useful than innocents. It depends on the investigative PR but etc.

I guess we just disagree as a matter of philosophy then. I usually try to question and weigh everything until I fully understand it, even if it's really small and unnoticeable. You have a point about the Mason thing eventually revealing itself... but I do feel it's always going to be fair game to question. Sometimes it feels like players try to pull me back from latching onto something and prying it open for answers, when my job in this game is to literally figure out and solve this game.

Would you be willing to vote shannon with me? Doesn't mean you'd have to lock your vote down, but at least for awhile unless something better stick its head out?

The problem about the PR issue is that the rest of us don't know if shannon is Town. Point being this individual is not wanting to be investigated. Us not knowing who/what she is, to other Town players it looks suspicious. From her perspective, IF she were Town, she'd either A) want to be cleared or B) want it be used elsewhere. But as Scum she'd A) NOT want it on her, B) want it elsewhere, or C) want it on her if and only if she were a Godfather (slight possibility [only invoking Setup spec for the sake of this topic]).

[Wake1]

Not really. It's way too early to start talking about the Setup of this game, which is why I've avoided it thus far.

if you are scum - it's way easier to spot another ball.
therefore scum parties tend to duel late D1 to get upper hand

from town perspective - players seems more segregated than usual

it is peculiar that no wagon has received critical mass.
normally there would have been few L-1 already

and game seems to be fairly active and seriously played

I noticed

that

as well...

[Wake1]

0002

AGar

—

Mentions

Titus

is hilariously wrong about something (561), and that

Performer

is a Scumbag. Opines that

Titus

is 'Scum as shit.' Doesn't appear to believe

Titus

is a Mason, either.

I get he doesn't like my play, but that doesn't make him Town or Scum. I'd like him to clarify what exactly Titus was wrong about. Him questioning Titus and her claim makes me feel a little better about him.

Spoiler:

...

Airick10

—

<10 posts. Finds

Performer

's 'No-Lynch' troubling.

Give me more to work with.

Spoiler:

...

Almost50

—

Spoiler:

...

Boem_u_dusi

—

Spoiler:

...

Dunnstral

—

Spoiler:

...

implosion

—

Spoiler:

...

Lapsa

—

Spoiler:

...

Mirhawk

—

Spoiler:

...

Nosferatu

—

Wants to vote

implosion

but doesn't, and says

Almost50

's post is bad but doesn't say why (170). Votes

Zach

with no reason. Has bad vibes from

implosion

, yet doesn't vote him or explains anything. Unvotes

Zach

/says he's better yet doesn't say why. In 840 he chimed in with only one sentence.

I get the feeling that he's lurking and doesn't want to engage. He keeps not explaining anything either, which to me looks like he's not even trying to find Scum.

Spoiler:

...

PeregrineV

—

Votes for

sickofit1138

. He's aware of

Titus

' scumminess in 92 and 290. No thoughts on

Agar

. Reaffrims

Nosferatu

's comment that there are bad vibes coming from

implosion

.

I'd like him to post more. Him checking Titus is good, yet I'd like to better understand the bad vibes comment about implosion. Not willing to vote at the moment.

Spoiler:

...

Performer

—

Spoiler:

...

podoboq

—

Spoiler:

...

shannon

—

Spoiler:

...

Sickofit1138

—

Likes

Transcend

and

implosion

(75). Doesn't explain why he dislikes my interaction with

Titus

. In 185 is unsure whether to heavily Townread or Scumread

Dunnstral

. Votes

Dunnstral

and says every time he posts he dislikes

Dunnstral

less and less—yet again no explanation (547). Is also betting

Dunnstral

is Scum and is looking for Towncred should

Titus

be lynched.

Like with Nosferatu, he doesn't seem to explain anything. His posts are empty of content. I'd like to know why he shifted against Dunnstral. For now I'd be OK with him being lynched today.

Spoiler:

...

Titus

—

Spoiler:

...

Transcend

—

Spoiler:

...

Varsoon

—

Spoiler:

...

Zachstralkita

—

Spoiler:

...

[Wake1]

Wake is fine, but so help me god if we have a repeat of Gundam I will smite you so fucking hard.

Well, if a Serial Kills pops up no one had better try to leash the fucker.

[Wake1]

OK, I'm gonna go out a huge limb here. Please somebody with significantly more site experience than I look into this.

In Secret Alt Mafia 2, Joey Tribbiani scumslipped by accidentally linking to the Mafia PT. When people clicked the link, they got an error screen that says "You are not authorised to read this topic." This happened because he prepared his wall inside of the Mafia PT, and when he typed (post)74(/post), it linked to the thread he typed it in, not the main thread, where the post he intended to reference lied.

Now it's possible that I'm misunderstanding some of how that works, because I only vaguely know this story from TPP talking about it in Musical Mafia, but I'm seeing the same symptoms of it here. If I'm wrong here, and this is nothing, then sorry I brought it up, we can move on. But if I'm right, and this is the same thing, it's just straight up a scumslip. Like, a real one.

Wake posted a similarly broken url, which leads to a topic I don't have access to:

(561)

Here is the slip from Secret Alt Mafia 2. Scroll down to read the explanation of how it's a slip.


Again, apologies if I'm misunderstanding something and this is all nothing.

As I've been allowed in the past, I've used old PTs of mine that only I have access to to gather my thoughts, collect ISOs, and update my Reads List.

Apparently my Reads List contained a link to that hidden PT. I can't make a new PT, but I can use an old one from my old Large Normal.

[Wake1]

podo bringing up that slip sounds really towny btw.

I second that.

[Wake1]

Actually better yet, real confirmation that Wake is telling the truth:
Post numbers are sorted chronologically. Post 0 in this game is 8019556, but the post that Wake's link directs to is 671742, which has to be far before the mafia PT was created.

Sorry Wake. I'm gonna go be sad in a corner somewhere.

But be wise and don't assume I'm Town just bcause of this. I could still be Scum utilizing a PT thread to collect/gather his thoughts. Always be on your guard.

don't be embarrassed. you were smart to confront him, as opposed to just voting him with that reason in mind.

*Looks at your ephemeral vote*

[Wake1]

You know, I wish some players here would comment on my Reads List...

[Wake1]

I don't mind Agar or Transcend.

VOTE: Transcend

Since I don't want my mason buddy voting Varsoon, I will join him on Transcend.

I'll sheep whatever Agar does actually

Transcend is fucking town.

I see no compelling reason to vote Agar atm.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Titus

More pressure please.

[Wake1]

I didn't see you ask us for thoughts so I thought you were just thinking out loud. And it looked like your version 2 reads list was simply in progress. I'll take a look.

It will continuously be in progress. In general I like getting feedback.

[Wake1]

I would be willing to hammer Nosferatu.

[Wake1]

Zach, Performer, Titus, Dunnstral, Podoq.

Vote Nosferatu please.

[Wake1]

OK, I don 't wanna vote Nos now.

Why?

It's okay! VOTE: implosion

I can concur that Nos has been void of substance in his ISO, and for no good reason.

Could you vote him?

[Wake1]

Wake is town probably

I'll be pulling down on the rope if Titus doesn't flip Mason.

❤

[Wake1]

Zach, here's a column of players.

Dunnstral
Titus
Performer
Nosferatu
Podoboq

From top to bottom, could you rearrange the column from least willing to lynch to most?

[Wake1]

Dunnstral can you do Nosferatu?

[Wake1]

Could you vote Nos and if not why please?

[Wake1]

Zach, here's a column of players.

Dunnstral
Titus
Performer
Nosferatu
Podoboq

From top to bottom, could you rearrange the column from least willing to lynch to most?

Like everyone of those is shit.

2 masons, obvtown performer, guy who admits he's overplayed, and the guy who partially suggested you were town.

That's stupid as shit man.

Yeah you don't remind me of Town Titus

at all

.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Wake1]

Dunnstral if you were Town but not Mason why would you go along with it?

[Wake1]

Boem you don't engage enough.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Boem_u_dusi

[Wake1]

Dunnstral if you were Town but not Mason why would you go along with it?

Go along with what

My role was outted by titus, I had no say in the matter

Or you went along with her gambit.

It's better to reveal you aren't a Mason now rather than one of you be violently lynched if one of you flips not-Mason.

[Wake1]

I can't find it in the rules, but are we allowed to discuss replacements and posts like Nosferatu's last one?

Yes. I think it's a town replace out.

Based on WHAT?

Have you even read his ISO?

[Wake1]

I think Boem is town

Why.

[Wake1]

Lapsa which three are you OK with lynching today?

[Wake1]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

This is the worst fucking shit I've ever seen.

Thoughts on the people refusing to vote him?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Boem_u_dusi

wake, what's up with that?

I feel like he's coasting by posting infrequently, with few sentences, and not really risking drawing enemies/scrutiny to himself. I want him to stop playing so safe.

1195

[Wake1]

sorry, I'm just in too many games.

replacing out

rip my replacement for having to read through all this.

pedit: or you guys could lynch me, that could happen too.

Is this an invitation? This doesn't sound towny.

that's a loaded question. If you guys were still looking for scum, ^^^^^.

This is the worst fucking shit I've ever seen.

Thoughts on the people refusing to vote him?

They need to get their shit together. I feel like a Capri-Sun straw hole pre-poke.

Wake we can save the Titus/Dunn fiasco for another day.


Oh goodie, a sub-out. Dunn this game is reminding me of that TrueGent shit.

TrueGent?

Myself and Dunnstral played a game on MafiaUniverse.

Day 1 I wagoned the shit out of this dude called TrueGent because he put me off. He subs out and his replacement comes in. I continue to wagon him.

They don't allow you to discuss sub outs on that site, which I think is bullshit, but nevertheless I ask the mod " hey, is it allowed to talk about how the replacement MAKES the person scum?" just as a hypothetical and I get modkilled. I flip VT and what do you fucking know? Dude's replacement flips scum. Ironically my modkill worked as an angleshot for HIS lynch.

We can.

I forgot to mention my modkill sparked a huge ass thread on that rule. I think you can discuss subs there now.

What's your gut telling you about Lapsa and Boem right now?

[Wake1]

Lapsa which three are you OK with lynching today?

eh, screw you. won't be guessing which three you mean

If you don't want to work with people that's fine.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Wake1]

She doesn't.

Town Titus would know this.

[Wake1]

You have been off all game Titus.

I don't trust you.

[Wake1]

I almost feel as if this is merely retalitory. I've bent over backwards saying who I'm willing to lynch and I can't even get my townreads to work together but we listen to scums and anti-town to lynch a lurker.

Like fuck this.

I hate being town.

You've been sowing seeds of division all game but you haven't fooled everyone.

[Wake1]

1. There's nothing scummy in his ISO.

Oh wow. Really?

Did you even read my Reads List?

[Wake1]

Both Sick's and Nos's ISOs are shit, yet a few here which I feel may be Scum only complain about Sick. Frankly Sick's vote on me is beyond stupid. I mean, WHY? Why THE FUCK do people keep doing things in this game and NOT EXPLAIN WHY THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING IT. Just like with Nos he didn't explain SHIT. NO REASON. NO SUBSTANCE. And for theos fuckers complaining about Sick, Nosferatu is even WORSE about not providing any sort of content as to WHY he said and did the things he has said and done this game. At this point I feel like 'fuck it, why the fuck should I care about some guy who can't even provide a fucking reason for voting me?' I have no problem hammering Sick for his utter stupidity and lack of reason. I am BEYOND tired of providing damn good reason and content behind my moves yet see people like Nos and Sick continuously provide NOTHING.

And, ironically, those two might just be stupid Town, and Scum's using their idiocy against them. Frankly I do not not trust Boem and certain other players. My gut just looks at their behavior and leaves me wondering.

Also, I'm bother by how Varsoon all game has pretty much tunneled Dunnstral and interacted with only Titus... and then Zach and Transcend to minimal extent. Am I the only one to notice these things? We're going on 1300 posts and Varsoon has only spoken with FOUR out of FOURTEEN other players. Someone tell me that's a valid concern.

(Yeah I'm cranky, caffeinated, and in pain from surgery so don't take it personally.)

[Wake1]

AND ANOTHER THING.

Airick10

said he'd be on VLA 6/22/16 until today. CLEARLY if you look at his profile he was on

yesterday

. See for yourself.

I

know

you're here.

Come out and play.

[Wake1]

The only people I'm not willing to lynch today sans big development are podoboq (extreme-Town to pick at that post and question it), and Dunnstral/Titus (the

only

reason I'm not coming for you today is your Mason claim/gambit).

And Titus, I am so sick of you being a deceitful manipulator this game. I think you're Scum this game. I'm calling it now. Every chance you get you twist people's words and put words in people's mouths and try to tell people what they're doing when CLEARLY you have ZERO right to say what exactly someone is doing. I'm not able to get you lynched today because of your stupid gambit, but with each passing Day you supposed Masons survive I'll be gunning for you. I REMEMBER how you play as Town, Titus. You DON'T play underhandedly like this. I am calling it now. You will NOT ever be able to lynch me this game, and the ONLY way to get rid of me is if you sacrifice yourself to take me out during the Night, or one of your teammates. Every single time you twist something ever-so-subtly it gives me all the more reason to scrutinize you and, believe me, I have not even begun to fight. I don't care if you don't like being inspected or questioned. YOU WILL NOT avoid me: I will not allow it.

[Wake1]

Since Vedith has replaced Nosferatu I will give the slot one chance.

VOTE: Sickofit1138

[Wake1]

This is why we don't claim Masons unprovoked Day 1.

[Wake1]

Wake, you agree that Zach and Varsoon are fake claiming masons, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia, right?

I don't believe any of them, but theirs less so.

Of course it doesn't mean they're Mafia. Same as I've said to you two.

[Wake1]

This is why we don't claim Masons unprovoked Day 1.

I wouldn't have had to if town had actual intelligence this game.

Your moment of foolishness doesn't excuse your moment of ego.

[Wake1]

LMFAO he thinks I'm actually mafia ^

Do not presume you're cleared.

[Wake1]

The lurker is sickofit

I think

You should know there are multiple lurkers here.

[Wake1]

Scum have to shoot and tell US what they fear. They tell us about associatives.

Analyzing why mafia targeted who they targeted at night is ALWAYS wifom in my experience.

How much experience do you have offsite?

[Wake1]

Wait seriously? Masons are ridiculously strong town power, and you think there'd be 2 sets of 2 in a fucking 19 player game?

Hoooooly shit.

Two things.
One, yes, I do? It's 19 player game. There's gonna be a lot of power. I also disagree that they're a "ridiculously strong town power." I mean just fucking look at what's happening today with people not believing the mason claim. Two, I don't actually think this [read: i think varsoon/zach are BSing]

Why put off for tomorrow what you can do today?

Because literally any of the like 10 reasons I gave in my last couple dozen posts. I'm not fucking explaining it again.

This has got to be the stupidest game of mafia ever.

Scum please dayvig me and save me from this. This game is a chore given scum and dumb town spam.

Getting anyone to work together in this is impossible.

So fucking much.
Jesus christ.

No, I agree with Agar on this.

Two sets of Masons in a presumably-balanced Normal Game is a lot of Town power.

[Wake1]

As much as I want them to not be town, they probably are.

Both Masons, or both Town?

[Wake1]

remove it from my spreadsheet.

You've got a spr-

nevermind.

...it's not a bad idea.

Dunnstral, Peregrine's absence is bothering me. What do you feel?

[Wake1]

As much as I want them to not be town, they probably are.

Both Masons, or both Town?

Does it matter to anyone but scum?

It's a valid question.

Not only that, but I'm wanting to know if he's considered whether one of you two could be Scum going along with a gambit.

[Wake1]

Peregrine was here this afternoon, and Airick was online last night.

[Wake1]

remove it from my spreadsheet.

You've got a spr-

nevermind.

I like to keep track of players' claims for easy access so I don't have to go digging if I forget. It's nothing more. I know Plotinus makes very elaborate spreadsheets of how players interact with one another and stuff, but mine is nothing like that. Just claims.

I wonder if you've gotten them all so far...

[Wake1]

Peregrine was here this afternoon, and Airick was online last night.

Look at Peregrine's recent site-wide posts

What do you mean?

He posted in this thread four hours ago.

[Wake1]

Scratch that.

[Wake1]

And he doth appeared.

[Wake1]

Back - Just logged into the thread. Holy Shit! 69 pages?? I have some reading to do. Will post soon

Airick, just jump in and engage. You needn't be masochistic.

[Wake1]

I propose an idea.

[Wake1]

I reject your rejection good Sir!

[Wake1]

Anyways.

I'm gonna make a brief list of player interactions.
And am gonna bold the names.
When flips happen the names go green or otherwise.

It'd be invaluable for endgame.

[Wake1]

I'm changing the way I play. It depends on the time I have and how I'm feeling.

[Wake1]

Two days, thirty five pages behind. I very much don't even want to read it.

Is there even anything important in that?

Someone just give me a summary.

Who should I vote?

Titus called a lot of people stupid for not treating her like conftown.

This

Anyways.

I'm gonna make a brief list of player interactions.
And am gonna bold the names.
When flips happen the names go green or otherwise.

It'd be invaluable for endgame.

Are these gonna be like your reads lists or are you gonna actually finish this?

Actually, scratch that. I don't feel like scouring 1700 posts starting from the beginning.

[Wake1]

I'm open to lynching Shannon.

Gonna re-check her ISO first.

Mirhawk NO. No 2nd Mason pair.

[Wake1]

My gut's been bothering me about Boem. Fuck.

[Wake1]

AGar
podoboq

Mirhawk
Dunnstral
Titus
Zachstralkita
Airick10
Vedith
implosion
Almost50
Transcend
Lapsa
PeregrineV

Varsoon
shannon
Boem_u_dusi
Performer
Sickofit1138

[Wake1]

Dunnstral you keep changing your vote and you keep saying who you wouldn't vote for.

Do you mind making a simple list like 1759 so I know where the heck you're at? Please?

[Wake1]

Guys, I'm sticking to what I said.

So long as neither Titus nor Dunnstral recant their Mason claims I will not have a hand in their lynching Day 1.

[Wake1]

Okay Varsoon at night we have to talk this out so we're not as rough

Titus, Dunnstral, do ya'll have Day or Night talk?

[Wake1]

Please just answer me directly Dunnstral. It's crucial.

[Wake1]

Oh did I not say it?

Day talk

So you do have Daytalk.

[Wake1]

.
.
.

...Zach, you said you and he would talk at Night.

[Wake1]

Oh did I not say it?

Day talk

So you do have Daytalk.

Yeah, and there's proof that we've been using day talk in-thread

Wait.

What does that mean exactly?

Do you or do you not have a Mason PT with Daytalk enabled?

[Wake1]

Wake how many times do I have to say yes

And how many posts?

Give me a number.

[Wake1]

She didn't say anything she literally just claimed

Two smarticle particles like you should know better than that. Daytalk is a wonderful privilege that you were given........... BUT YOU DIDN'T USE IT !!!!

What did you guys talk about in your mason chat?

You are allowed to provide everything you and Titus have discussed in that PT, sans the links/quotes.

Copy, paste. Do it very quickly, and I will believe you.

[Wake1]

No.

You will.

I am Town.

You

may

be Town.

You share your information out in the open

with

Town.

[Wake1]

Now stop being dumb. You realize that I'm not going to spill stuff like that, Zach has slipped THREE times and you're not acknowledging him

You

will.

You two claimed Mason Day 1 unprovoked. You also claim to have Daytalk.

But now you refuse to give me a number of posts?

Now you refuse to paraphrase or share information from there, legally?

Why.

Why stop now?

[Wake1]

Now stop being dumb. You realize that I'm not going to spill stuff like that, Zach has slipped THREE times and you're not acknowledging him

You

will.

You two claimed Mason Day 1 unprovoked. You also claim to have Daytalk.

But now you refuse to give me a number of posts?

Now you refuse to paraphrase or share information from there, legally?

Why.

Why stop now?

Because I take that seriously and everything you need to know I've spoken out in the open. I won't be providing anything. What I can tell you to ease your mind is that I was convinced on mirhawk town way back

Other than that, look at what Zach and Varsoon are doing please.

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

I don't regret it.

Now if there wasn't a double fucking standard regarding claims, I would be dead N1, scum would be lynched and ALL would be sorted.

Yet this group cannot do shit.

...

I need four Vig bullets.

[Wake1]

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

...I want those posts.

[Wake1]

Just fuck off.

...

.
.
.

[Wake1]

My retraction was a fake retraction, Titus' retraction might be real.

I don't believe you two are Masons.

I don't believe your counterparts are either.

None of you are safe from the rope!

[Wake1]

At an advanced level, I would hate to think two Scum with Daytalkwould devise a plan to look as if they were Town Mason-gambitting Day 1 only to sow chaos and confusion and eventually end on a recant back to average non-cleared suspicion.

Time will answer that.

[Wake1]

Wake you serious? He literally slipped like 4 times AND retracted and you still think they're masons?

Review 1855.

[Wake1]

What are your post-mason reads, and who do you think deserves pressure?

I need more wildfire.

[Wake1]

Hey hey hello hello
Apparently I needed to announce whether the mafia has daytalk or not before the game starts. Well, they do.

#FulfilledMyJob

Thanks for answering me Guy.

[Wake1]

I don't recognize this play as Town-Titus.

VOTE: Titus

[Wake1]

AGar
podoboq

Mirhawk
Zachstralkita
Airick10
Vedith
implosion
Almost50
Transcend
Lapsa
PeregrineV

Varsoon
shannon
Boem_u_dusi
Performer
Sickofit1138
Dunnstral
Titus

[Wake1]

dunn and titus both as scum wake???

Actions have consequences.

They lied to us. Does't automatically mean Scum, but it sure as hell is Scummy.

The real issue is that I do not recognize this Titus as the Titus I played with when she is Town.

This one is evil. Machiavellian.

[Wake1]

Oh, Wake you are here. You expressed annoyance about me few times, you wanted to hear more, you were scumreading me etc.
What's bothering you? This is your opportunity to ask.

BTW why are you putting me in your scumreads along with Sickofit1138? I had the feeling you were defending that guy and I've been pretty vocal about wanting to rope him.

My gut tells me the way you posy is very safe, almost couched. You don't really extend yourself, or put yourself at risk, or willing to say controversial things that will make enemies, as I do. The feeling I get is that you've been playing on the fence, like your goal is to self-preserve.

That's just what the gut tells me at the moment. I wouldn't mind lynching you today because I do trust my gut, but I would rather vote a few other choices before you today. And your feeling is questionable because I'm also willing to vote Sick because I said why. You wanting to rope someone I don't particularly trust does not make you more Town in my eyes.

Later I'll reread your ISO at my leisure and get a better idea of what you are and what you're doing.

[Wake1]

Oh, Wake you are here. You expressed annoyance about me few times, you wanted to hear more, you were scumreading me etc.
What's bothering you? This is your opportunity to ask.

BTW why are you putting me in your scumreads along with Sickofit1138? I had the feeling you were defending that guy and I've been pretty vocal about wanting to rope him.

My gut tells me the way you posy is very safe, almost couched. You don't really extend yourself, or put yourself at risk, or willing to say controversial things that will make enemies, as I do. The feeling I get is that you've been playing on the fence, like your goal is to self-preserve.

That's just what the gut tells me at the moment. I wouldn't mind lynching you today because I do trust my gut, but I would rather vote a few other choices before you today. And your feeling is questionable because I'm also willing to vote Sick because I said why. You wanting to rope someone I don't particularly trust does not make you more Town in my eyes.

Later I'll reread your ISO at my leisure and get a better idea of what you are and what you're doing.

Okay, fair point although you basically repeated same thing as in one of your previous posts.

I think enough

controversial things

have been said today so I don't feel the need to add more fuel to this chaos.

I'm not self-preserving, in fact I wouldn't mind that bad being lynched today or nightkilled because this game is draining me and I don't find it much fun. But that's selfish point of view so I'll stick with the game. Make of that what you wish.

Can we have VC soon?

No.

Give me more fuel.

I'd like to throttle you.

[Wake1]

Nah.

I'll come for you later.

[Wake1]

So we need 3 more.

Dunn, Zach, Boem, Varsoon, Mirhawk.

[Wake1]

So, to recap:

~ Titus claimed Mason and named Dunn, causing Dunn to go along with it.
~ T&D backlash ensues.
~ Zach and Varsoon counterclaim Masons.
~ Z&D mention Night talk. T&D say they have Daytalk.
~ Wake comes.
~ Z&D recant. Wake questions T&D about Mason PT data.
~ T&D recant.
~ So T&D and Z&D recant being Masons. So there are no current Mason PTs. Meaning T&D couldn't answer questions about PT specs.

[Wake1]

What the hell. I am VT.

No fun playing with y'all but I am not subbing out.

...now you're a Vanilla Townie?

[Wake1]

Yup.

Macho fake so docs don't heal me.
Mason fake so we wouldn't lynch obvtown and I would die N1.

I don't want to play with people who basically cannot read a thread.

P.S. The Dunn townread is due to ONGOING GAMES!

1) Why now claim VT? What was your reason?

2) Never base your 'obvTown read' on someone this game on an ongoingone. Not cool. So not cool. I don't think you understand how not cool that shit is.

3) You were trying to die N1? Why? If you're Town you could be utilized more effectively for Town by staying alive.

[Wake1]

I think we've caught Scum here.

It's all falling apart.

[Wake1]

1) Why now claim VT? What was your reason?

1) because I am sick of playing with people here.

1) That's a terrible reason. Bad play. Only claim when you must.

2) Never base your 'obvTown read' on someone this game on an ongoingone. Not cool. So not cool. I don't think you understand how not cool that shit is.

2) So what? I lie and say Dunn is scum? Dunn is town because ongoing.

2) Play with him based on what's said IN this game or what he's said in past, completed games. I hope you haven't broken any rules here.

3) You were trying to die N1? Why? If you're Town you could be utilized more effectively for Town by staying alive.

3) As a VT really? Come on man.

3) Instead of claiming VT you could have left it at the Mason recant, and then play as Town-Titus would.

[Wake1]

Lapsa's response to why he's being openly hostile is insulting my intelligence which basically is an attempt to rile me up and dodge the questions I put forth for him.

We had a wagon on sick of it until we got CCed.

I asked my reads to try and get along, we got 600+700 posts of spam and bickering.

So yeah, let me go.

YOU and DUNN shouldn't have been calling players dumb, either.

I forget none of it. Whenever it's done it's bad play and hurts Town morale.

[Wake1]

Second, you fuckers forced the mason claim by being stupid.

This is what I'm talking about. This is not how town acts, and this mentality is anti-town.

Agreed.

[Wake1]

Lynch all liars.

[Wake1]

So we lynch you for lying about me?

Wake, you know I pull Macho BP gambits all the time.

I don't know that.

[Wake1]

Don't over-sell it podo, or assume I'm not analyzing each and every one of your sentences either...

[Wake1]

Don't over-sell it podo, or assume I'm not analyzing each and every one of your sentences either...

I'm sorry, I'm aware people are analyzing what I'm saying, but I have no intention of playing this game with Titus any more. I've never been as angry playing a game, and the fact that some people are looking past this blatant anti-town behavior is fucking flabbergasting.

The greatest challenge is not overcoming Scum, but directing fellow Town to make the right moves.

[Wake1]

None of them are Masons.

I suggest the people saying otherwise cease immediately.

[Wake1]

but i lightly townread your replacement slot.

all i'm trying to do is get this fucking player to not lynch herself.

[Wake1]

AGar

۞

Airick10

۞

۞

Almost50

۞

۞

Boem_u_dusi

۞

۞

Dunnstral

۞

۞

implosion

۞

Lapsa

۞

۞

Mirhawk

۞

۞

PeregrineV

۞

۞

Performer

۞

podoboq

۞

shannon

۞

۞

Sickofit1138

۞

۞

Titus

۞

۞

۞

Transcend

۞

۞

Varsoon

۞

۞

Vedith

۞

۞

Zachstralkita

۞

۞

۞

Willing to lynch.

۞

Not inclined to lynch.

۞

Needs to engage more.

۞

Unsure about this player.

۞

Talks too much.

۞

Willing to hammer.

[Wake1]

AGar

۞

۞

Airick10

۞

۞

Almost50

۞

۞

Boem_u_dusi

۞

۞

Dunnstral

۞

۞

implosion

۞

Lapsa

۞

۞

Mirhawk

۞

۞

PeregrineV

۞

۞

Performer

۞

podoboq

۞

shannon

۞

۞

Sickofit1138

۞

۞

Titus

۞

۞

۞

Transcend

۞

۞

Varsoon

۞

۞

Vedith

۞

۞

Zachstralkita

۞

۞

۞

Willing to lynch.

۞

Not inclined to lynch.

۞

Needs to engage more.

۞

Unsure about this player.

۞

Talks too much.

۞

Willing to hammer.

[Wake1]

I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.

what did wake lie about?

Exactly.

Wake, I see what you did there

Yes.

[Wake1]

Dunnstral I asked GIF because I wanted answers.

[Wake1]

I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.

what did wake lie about?

Everytime he says Town!Titus isn't as devious as scum Titus, it's a lie.

So you're saying you're being devious this game.

I have never remembered you as being devious as Town when I've played with you Titus.

I DO, however, remember you in GUNDAM Mafia when I was Town and you were Scum. THIS I REMEMBER.

[Wake1]

Why in the fuck are you guys roping Titus? And why did this thread turn into a bitch-fest? I'll case who I want to lynch when I get up.

^^^ I just got here too don't blame me.............


Yeah I'm not letting Titus get lynched

For the record: You two refuse to lynch Titus today.

Confirm?

[Wake1]

I'd lynch Wake though for the lies.

what did wake lie about?

Everytime he says Town!Titus isn't as devious as scum Titus, it's a lie.

So you're saying you're being devious this game.

I have never remembered you as being devious as Town when I've played with you Titus.

I DO, however, remember you in GUNDAM Mafia when I was Town and you were Scum. THIS I REMEMBER.

Really? Faking macho bp to get an extra shot as cop. You should remember that?

Gundam Mafia I was not devious. I kissed your ass because you were too proud to compromise.

You just said it yourself in this very thread that you played little miss angel peacemaker that game.

Hm...

...

...

...

It's been about two years since we played that game. As angry as I am with you I'm not going to allow myself to be sloppy. If you did play little miss angel peacemaker as Scum there it doesn't mean if you're Scum here that you'd play the same way. It also doesn't necessarily make you Scum because a lot can change in two years' time.

God damn it.

I'm so fucking conflicted.

What I feel, what I want, is to lynch you right now so badly.

UNVOTE: Titus

I want you to remember this, Titus. You don't control this game. Everyone has a say.

The more cautious route, as Town, may be to withhold rage-lynching you now at least until Day 2 starts. We would have more information. It could be that you are Town but playing terribly, and maybe the Scum are actually on your wagon. Or you could be caught Scum and getting wagoned. I don't fucking know. What I do now is that I've been manipulated pretty hardcore in the past, so I have reason to be extremely cautious.

It doesn't help that the game thread is a sea of posts. It's a bitch trying to dive down and find things.

[Wake1]

Us four are most definitely all town (Dunn,Titus,Varsoon,Zach).

You DO realize each and every thing you say is going to be weightier as the Days go by, right?

Tell me in exacting detail why you're so sure you're all 'most definitely Town.'

[Wake1]

VOTE: wake

U piss me off....


But ur prob town. Just had to throw a vote your way out of spite.

VOTE: Vedith

Bring it, Cupcake.

Why Vedith? I haven't ISO'd him but I suppose I could.

[Wake1]

You know, Titus admits to being devious this game.

Shouldn't anyone who care about pro-Town behavior have a thought or two on that?

[Wake1]

Nosferatu did not provide content.

Why exactly are you all going after Vedith?

Give me a sentence or two. Some sort of content.

[Wake1]

~HISTORY~

Day 1

~ I ask in 2088 for confirmation that

Zachstralkita

and

Dunnstral

refuse to lynch

Titus

Day 1.

Dunnstral

and

Zachstralkita

confirm 'Yes' in 2089 and 2099.

[Wake1]

He's mafia

Or frankly I don't even care if he's town

What makes you believe he's Mafia?

I don't like your second quote.

[Wake1]

Us four are most definitely all town (Dunn,Titus,Varsoon,Zach).

You DO realize each and every thing you say is going to be weightier as the Days go by, right?

Tell me in exacting detail why you're so sure you're all 'most definitely Town.'

It makes logistical sense and I'm going to work off it. Like I said, I give two limp fucks if you guys believe it or not.

I'm certain Dunn and Varsoon are town. If Titus was scum here, she wouldn't get any points for WAAAAAAAHing to victory.

I don't feel that I've been sufficiently answered.

You're not telling me why you're sure the other three are most definitely Town.

[Wake1]

We're not lynching performer today


Lynches:
Vedith
Sickofit
A50
Lapsa


Policy lynches:
Peregrine
Airick10

Why policy lynch those two?

They need pressure and they need to engage.

Should they be alive Day 2 and aren't active or logging in but doing nothing then yeah I feel they'd be viable options.

[Wake1]

So now Zach absolutely refuses to vote Sickofit1138 and wants Vedith lynched.

I feel like at least one of Dunnstral/Zach/Titus is Scum, based on the constant flip-flopping. It's a severe lack of consistency.

[Wake1]

And Wake drop that crap with telling everybody how they need to engage more. They aren't going to start engaging more because you told them to.

If I feel they need to engage more then I will say so, so your request is denied.

If they refuse to engage when they are able to then they will take responsibility for it as the game progresses.

[Wake1]

And what about you Wake, will you vote sickofit/vedith?

I'm open to lynching that slot. Nosferatu was Scummy because he would not provide any content behind his words. Vedith I have not ISO'd. Tentatively I'd be open to voting him Day 1, but the slot hasn't been as bad as other slots. If it were a choice between no lynch or Sickofit1138 I'd choose the latter.

[Wake1]

No, that's what zach would say

Who was this directed towards?

[Wake1]

And Wake drop that crap with telling everybody how they need to engage more. They aren't going to start engaging more because you told them to.

If I feel they need to engage more then I will say so, so your request is denied.

If they refuse to engage when they are able to then they will take responsibility for it as the game progresses.

Your reaction makes no sense.

[Wake1]

All this constant changing is making me lose track of this game. I need a break from this game for awhile.

[Wake1]

Your reaction makes no sense.

OK do whatever you want, but I have never seen someone suddenly starting to engage more just because somebody told them to. And who established you as an activity policeman?

I will say and do what I want, when I want.

And I have seen players engage more when called out on it.

Don't even try to say I'm an 'activity policeman' (whatever the fuck that is) for wanting certain players to participate in the game more. Stop being anti-Town and finding excuses for players not to play the game.

[Wake1]

~HISTORY~

Day 1

~ I ask in 2170 for confirmation that

Wake88

is willing to lynch

Sickofit1138

and

Vedith

Day 1.

Wake88

hesitantly

replies 'Yes' to both in 2190.

Don't be underhanded.

I'm willing to lynch that slot today but I haven't ISO'd him so in spite of willing to lynch him I'm not certain he's Scum. I haven't ISO'd Vedith either.

[Wake1]

Lapsa, thoughts on these four now going after you?

[Wake1]

Wait, how many are voting Lapsa?

[Wake1]

See, I'm glad I isoed Almost50.

Vote: Almost50

Peregrine, please share with me and and all thoughts you have thus far.

[Wake1]

Earth to PV we're past 2200 posts I need more than just a naked vote on someone who voted you come on now.

[Wake1]

I'm feeling underwhelmed.

I desire to kill things and all I have near me are reuben sandwiches.

[Wake1]

PV based on what you know can you make your own copy of my 1946 so we can have a better understanding of where you're at?

[Wake1]

@ Mod: Limited Access until 7/4/16.

[Wake1]

However, be careful on thinking badly of Titus. She has the players wrapped around her finger.

Don't think that way. It's only Day 1 and she was almost lynched for being Scummy. If she is Scum and is alive come Day 3 it'll be far more difficult for her to continue manipulating Town.

[Wake1]

Vedith might just be dumb town

Like don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind lynching him knowing he's town

I'm curious how many times you've flip-flopped today. Also, the second sentence is bad.

[Wake1]

Vedith might just be dumb town

Like don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind lynching him knowing he's town

I'm curious how many times you've flip-flopped today. Also, the second sentence is bad.

VOTE: Almost50

I don't want to lynch Agar, can we please just get sickofit?

VOTE: Sickofit

[Wake1]

Yes, from my perspective I cannot say why. That would be breaking the rules.

So I was stuck with game throwing (deliberately letting Dunn be lynched) or fake claiming to save him

The former makes me more like able but is an outright ban able offense.

@ GIF, could you clarify your position on this?

I'm not liking how you're saying "don't lynch Dunnstral because ~ongoing~ game. That sucks because you can keep saying no while not ever explaining yourself. This is why it shouldn't be done in the first place.

[Wake1]

Spoiler: off topic at Wake

Dude. I saw what you did there in that you know what. LOL. I'm following that ongoing. I can't believe you just did that LOL!

Please don't discuss ongoing games.

Even mentioning it can be breaking the rules.

[Wake1]

Yes, from my perspective I cannot say why. That would be breaking the rules.

So I was stuck with game throwing (deliberately letting Dunn be lynched) or fake claiming to save him

The former makes me more like able but is an outright ban able offense.

@ GIF, could you clarify your position on this?

I'm not liking how you're saying "don't lynch Dunnstral because ~ongoing~ game. That sucks because you can keep saying no while not ever explaining yourself. This is why it shouldn't be done in the first place.

Why else do you think I fake claimed mason?

Certainly wasn't to survive. Policy is to lynch all mason claims @ lylo plus 1 day if not nked.

It WAS the only way to remain in compliance. You think I like being told I am a dick, useless, damaging, disruptive, bad or anything else? No. That's not useful as either alignment. So, why do it?

I had no other choice. Scum can wait until l minus 1 and hope shit blows over or PR claim. I couldn't. Masons, although not ideal, was the only way not to cheat.

I feel like we need to just chill.

Town needs to work together. It's that simple.

[Wake1]

Quote fail.

[Wake1]

No one is cleared, so please stop saying it.

Declarations like that Day 1 are always foolish.

[Wake1]

Podoboq, if you suspect a player is Scum, and you're Town, you have every right to voice that opinion in-thread.

Don't allow anyone to try to silence you.

[Wake1]

I want to know why there's been so much flip-flopping going on.

[Wake1]

I don't understand the wagon on AGar.

I don't understand the wagon on Vedith.

I've felt this kind of feeling when it came to crazy, poorly explained wagons the last time I played a large Multiball game.

I'm really feeling that we are in Multiball. If it were one Town vs one Mafia all this would be different. 100 pages of constant struggling to change votes and minds tells me we have two competing Mafia factions. Don't like it? Sue me. That's what I'm feeling right now.

[Wake1]

We have a little over 5 days left.

Though I think Titus would be a wise lynch, I don't think we will have the votes in time Day 1.

This means either AGar or Vedith, unless a better option happens.

I really didn't like how Nosferatu wouldn't provide content. That said, I don't know his Town meta.

Glancing at Vedith's ISO, I notice he has not once mentioned my name, or asked me a question, or challenged me. I demand confrontation. Engagement.

Boem_u_dusi, could you better explain your 2058, where you say Vedith's posts are weak? I feel that requires clarity. Dunnstral saying that Vedith's posts are worse than Nosferatu's doesn't ring true from where I'm standing (2090).

...then again, it doesn't feel like Vedith is

not

trying to be noticed. I'm thinking about who

is

escaping my awareness...

Vedith's 2305 doesn't make me want to vote him.

Why?

He's got a point. There's little resistance to his wagon. I believe we're in Multiball. There's been a fuck-ton of nonsensical resistance to other wagons.

I'd rather see Titus lynched. All this resistance—all this hellbent fighting—to keep Titus from being lynched especially when she's a random like everyone else who has been found to have lied to everyone... it makes zero sense.

It's a sign. There's very little resistance to Vedith's wagon, but an immense—blatantly obvious—amount of resistance against Titus's wagon. Like certain people are bending over to save their teammate from getting lynched.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me it doesn't feel like we're in Multiball. Tell me Titus, being a random like the rest of us, doesn't have a suspicious amount of resistance to her wagon. Tell me Vedith's wagon has a lot of resistance. Just look at the game.

I'm paying attention to the

actions

.

VOTE: Titus

[Wake1]

Vote: Vedith

@wake

- people tend to want to lynch Titus for they same reason they want to lynch you. I'm still not lynching Titus today.

Interesting reaction.

I vote Titus, and very next post you move to Vedith.

The second sentence is vague, and I want to hear your personal reasoning why you refuse to vote for Titus today.

[Wake1]

I

am

obvTown this game. It's a bitch trying to emulate my answer-hungry unknowing-Town mindset as Scum. I also soft-claimed.

At the moment I feel worn out from Day 1, and am in need of solid info: whatever the start of Day 2 brings, it's something to actually work with.

Also I'm in 3 other games now, so no more Reads Lists, because I need to play more briefly and efficiently.

[Wake1]

Dunn is probtown, with Zack and Wake. (Hey guys, note that all 3 of these players are also saying they won't lynch Titus, and are pretty universally being town-read. When three players won't lynch someone that are being fairly townread across the board... see above. Then think about how fucking stupid the idea that "AGAR UNVOTED TITUS HERP DA DERP" is. And then go fuck yourselves.)

AGar, if you're referring to me please note where my current vote is.

[Wake1]

Dunn is probtown, with Zack and Wake. (Hey guys, note that all 3 of these players are also saying they won't lynch Titus, and are pretty universally being town-read. When three players won't lynch someone that are being fairly townread across the board... see above. Then think about how fucking stupid the idea that "AGAR UNVOTED TITUS HERP DA DERP" is. And then go fuck yourselves.)

AGar, if you're referring to me please note where my current vote is.

You also posted this prior to me unvoting. Link Your revote came after my unvote and the wagon on me picked up steam.

That's irrelevant. If you're Town good job trying to dump shade on me when I've been going after Titus all Day. I'm frustrated with this game because Titus is the better lynch, and like usually happens I'll be shown to be correct during mid/late game. If people don't want to lynch Titus today, fine, but that will not make me change my vote.

[Wake1]

You guys honestly just killed the Innocent Child before I had a chance to show it?

I even offered to say lol.

Last reads? The wagon was rushed as he'll. Agar is obviously town and Shannon and Titus are not town.

Wake 100 % town nadir the rest I don't care

If

you're telling the truth, it figures I'd be right about this.

Assuming you're Town your wagon is SCUMMY AS FUCK.

You got lynched before you could even claim, like WHAT THE FUCK is that?