Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[callforjudgement]

Review thread, for people who were interested in seeing how the setup was assessed for balance (it took a while, with several reviewer replacements; Sméagol's setups tend to be fairly complex and unusual and thus need extra time to review). Any opinions on the setup balance-wise?

[callforjudgement]

BTW, after rereading that review thread:

Sméagol, you're going to have to explain to me what use a Vengeful Fruit Vendor could possibly be, because I'm not seeing it. You can confirm your role after you're being lynched by giving someone a piece of fruit, but wouldn't it be confirmed by the flip anyway?

[callforjudgement]

No, the reason it's a neighbourhood is to give a clue that something screwy is going on. If someone claims Rolecop and you're considering counterclaiming them, but they're you're neighbour, then you're likely to think twice.

This is something I saw as a potential problem, though.

[callforjudgement]

Review thread, for people who were interested in seeing how the setup was assessed for balance (it took a while, with several reviewer replacements; Sméagol's setups tend to be fairly complex and unusual and thus need extra time to review). Any opinions on the setup balance-wise?

Ah come on, you and I both know that's not why it took 3 months.

Reviewers flake fairly often. That review took an exceptionally long time even allowing for the reviewer flakes, though.

(Part of it is that if the setup is simple I can often determine it to be balanced within 24 hours, but something like this takes a lot longer. It means that the reviewers have a tendency to repeatedly put it off. It also means that I can be far from confident that the setup is balanced even when the review is finished. I don't begrudge that – it wouldn't do to have all the Mini Normals look the same – but it's something that can hold things up for a while.)

As for your alternate setup, I'd be worried that the whole thing can break apart very easily if the vigilante ends up having to claim, and it'd take me hours of staring at it to figure out the balance (which is something that I'm not particularly sure I want to do right now), because of the complexity involving odd/even considerations and trying to work out how quickly the town power roles are likely to die. At a very preliminary guess, I'd guess that it's scumsided unless there's a massclaim, and it's townsided with a partial massclaim in which all roles but protectives claim. (This is a property we don't want more than a small proportion of setups to have; you can prevent people breaking a setup by massclaim simply by relying on the fact that players won't know that the massclaim would help, but if massclaims become useful in enough setups, then people will start doing them D1 as part of site meta. There's theory reasons to want protectives and VTs to claim the same thing if doing a massclaim "early", and I've known players to claim "protective or VT" for that reason before now.)