Mafiascum.net

Newbie 1730

To The North

Look to the north. Keep looking. There's nothing coming from the south.

Game Status

: End

Deadline

: [countdown]0.00[/countdown]

Player List

ironstove

fiddlercrabontheroof

*,

rep.

Mori

*,

rep. RAR4703

Joushi

PenguinPower

,

rep.

Harkonnen97

,

rep.

Soula

*

enomis

,

rep.

Enefpe no Time

***

Transcend

(SE)

Skold

(SE)

karnos

(SE)

innocentvillager

(IC)

Spoiler: Living Players

Joushi

PenguinPower

,

rep.

Harkonnen97

,

rep.

Soula

*

Spoiler: Dead Players

fiddlercrabontheroof

*,

rep.

Mori

*,

rep. RAR4703

,

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched Day 1

Skold

(SE),

Vanilla Townie

, Killed Night 1

karnos

(SE),

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched Day 2

enomis

,

rep.

Enefpe no Time

***

,

Doctor

, Killed Night 2

innocentvillager

(IC),

Tracker

, Lynched Day 3

ironstove

,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed in Endgame

Transcend

(SE),

Vanilla Townie

, Killed in Endgame

Game Links

Day 1

: Start, End

Day 2

: Start, End

Day 3

: Start, End

Game Rules

Adapted and distilled from various moderators

Wheaton's Law

Don't be a dick.

Remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun. Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Playing to win does not preclude being considerate of each other!

I have a low tolerance for personal attacks in this game. I reserve the right to warn you publicly or privately and to remove you from the game at any time. When in doubt, see Wheaton's Law.

General Rules/Game Etiquette

1. This game will start with a Day phase.
   
2. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins. It is not permitted otherwise during day phases.
   
3. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable. When in doubt, ask me. I don't bite!
   
4. Please remember that you made a commitment to participate when you signed up to play. If you cannot fulfill this commitment, please contact the Mod and request a replacement instead of just disappearing! I won't hate you, I promise.
   
5. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.
   If someone contacts you outside the game you should report it to me IMMEDIATELY.

Activity/Prods/Replacements

1. You should aim for one post every 48 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
   
2. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request or after 2 real-life days of no activity.
   
3. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond to the prod with a game-advancing post, after which time a replacement search will begin. The prodded player may re-enter the game so long as no replacement has been found.
   
4. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to possible replacement without further notice.
   
5. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please PM the Mod so that you don’t get replaced! However, if it is an extended period of time I may replace you anyway, so check first.

Deadlines

1. All Newbie games have strict 2-week deadlines.
   
2. Extensions are given only in extreme circumstances. Not "extreme" like "woah dude, that gnarly flip was so extreme," but "extreme" like "woah dude, that tsunami that wiped out the servers was so extreme."
   
3. Nights will have a standard deadline of 72 hours.
   
4. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you may forfeit your actions.
   
5. Deadlines may be shortened if activity is too low, or if all Night choices have been received early.

Player Actions/Voting/Player Death

1. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Lynch will occur.
   
2. Votes should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.
   Vote: Player
   ). Vote tags are your friend and are much sexier, trust me.
   
3. Vote revocations should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.
   Unvote: Player
   or
   Unvote
   ). Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
   
4. You may
   Vote: No Lynch
   - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a Lynch.
   
5. Votes/Unvotes should be placed on a line all by themselves to make them easier for everyone to see.
   
6. Votes/Unvotes that reasonably follow the guidelines specified above, and are unambiguous with respect to player nicknames/abbreviations, will count. Attempting to fake a vote will result in a Modkill.
   
7. Once a player has reached a simple majority of votes no further unvoting will change their fate. Muahahahaha.
   
8. When a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; all players may continue to post.
   
9. If you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief “Bah!”-type post that contains NO game related information. It may include up to one (1) picture of a cute animal.
   
10. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage).
    
11. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mod know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.

Miscellaneous

1. Mech and ooc text is reserved for the Mod. Do not use either of these; ooc will be used when I edit your posts. No invisible/small/encrypted text is allowed.
   
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM me privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread. I don't bite. If you aren't comfortable taking the issue to me, send it up the chain to Mina.
   
3. The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game. If I fuck up too badly I'll buy you all a cookie or something.
   
4. Please bold all requests to the Mod so that they don’t get missed.
   
   
5. Rules violations will be dealt with according to their severity (up to and including a Modkill) as the Mod sees fit.
   
6. Modkills may be accompanied by a change to day/night. The offender’s role will be changed to Neutral Survivor, which guarantees a loss.
   
7. Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to Mod discretion and will be handled as the Mod sees fit on a case-by-case basis.

Sexy and Helpful Links:

• Main Wiki Page
  
• Newbie Guide
  
• Frequently Asked Questions
  
• Commonly Used Abbreviations
  
• Mafia Theory
  
• Main Forum Rules and Guidelines

Newbie Setup

Matrix6 (as designed by Cogito Ergo Sum)

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates either one row or one column. The remaining six roles will be filled in by mafia goons and vanilla townies appropriately, to create a 2-mafia and 7-town setup. For example Row 1 (1 jailkeeper, 1 vanilla townie, 1 mafia goon) would add an additional 5 vanilla townies and 1 mafia goon, for a total setup of 1 jailkeeper, 6 vanilla townies, and 2 mafia goons.

*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

VOTE: ironstove
Because steel is superior.

Hi.

VOTE: ironstove

Let's wagon this scum.

VOTE: innocentvillager

No one is innocent in this world and anyone who says they are is obviously lying

VOTE: karnos

Second newbie game together, this time we're both SE's.

However, you're getting lynched first this time

Also, hi I'm a Semi-Experienced (SE) player. I have a few on-site games and off-site games. So I'm quite seasoned in the game. I'm sure IV is willing to help any of you out if you need it but I'm always here too, I'd love to give a helping hand if needed.

Mafia is an aggressive game, and sometimes I tend to get over-aggressive sometimes even though it's just a game. I want to warn you in advance.

I'm new to this site, so this is my first game. I've played about a half-dozen or so games on other sites, though so I'm not completely newb.

I'll try my best to be helpful to the game

What is dead may never die, and your name reminds me of the iron price.

nah but seriously,

ironstove wrote:VOTE: InnocentVillager

and

ironstove wrote:I'm new to this site, so this is my first game. I've played about a half-dozen or so games on other sites, though so I'm not completely newb.

I'll try my best to be helpful to the game

are both pretty small posts hours apart. YOU TRYNA SNEAK SOMETHIN' PAST US HUH?

Hello friends! Just a headsup, my sleep schedule + work schedule means I'll probably be posting at odd times, like 3-4am PST. I'll try and keep up with things on my phone, but since I prefer to make longer posts, I'm not likely to actually make them from my android.

VOTE: Vote Ironstove

Oh hey this site has a vote tag? That's cool. Still though, where's the hello in post 1?

Hey Joushi and Ironstove. It'd be greatly appreciated if you could both get avatars quickly so that it is easier to distinguish your posts.

Friendly reminder: Ironstove is two votes from being lynched. Be careful.

I'm a VT!

I think it would be an appropriate start to a newbie game to accidentally kill a town by hammering in RVS XD

I'll start with some questions! Feel free to answer if you'd like to get the game rolling:

1. How long have you guys been playing mafia?

I just started about 2 months ago, I was playing on a gaming forum and I liked the game enough to read wikis on setups and past games in mafiascum. Games played here are quite different from where I play in terms of setups and people being more aggressive, flaming, and activity (Days are usually 36-48 hours, nights 12 hours). I got the urge to register and try a game here to see how I fare in the slower environment.

2. In a 7v2 setup like this, what do you feel is the best approach to finding the scum?

I find that larger games where town outnumber mafia like this is much easier to mislynch on D1, so I don't give a lot of credence to scum reads on the first day. Once we have everyone post and gather information, we can go for a quick hammer and go into the next day to gather more information. Scum are much easier to fish out as the days go longer and we're in no danger of lylo occurring in the first 2 days, only after 2 mislynches would we be in lylo on D3, which I've found isn't as dire as it sounds because by that point it's very easy to spot who is scum.

3. Is your playstyle more engaged in posting or do you like to sit back and follow activity of others to get your reads? Do you have a different style when you play mafia or town or is it the same?

I would say I'm more of an engaged poster, I will take the time to go back and run ISOs on people every day, but it's not my bread and butter.

Still waiting for the following players to make posts:
Soula
Enefpe no Time
innocentvillager (IC)

Hello Hello. I'm in Hawaii, so I might be posting at odd hours; just fyi and all that.

So the game started and someone is already close to being lynched on page 1? sheesh.

In post 14, Transcend wrote:Friendly reminder: Ironstove is two votes from being lynched. Be careful.

Really guys, it just started. What good reason is there to lynch Ironstove at this point? Karnos and Skold seem kind of suspicious voting off the bat like that, unless there's something about this that I'm not getting. That said, Karnos accusing someone of being scum without them even posting is really weird. Either they aren't thinking before they post or they are scum and made a little slip at the beginning. hmmm. I'll be paying attention to them.

In post 16, ironstove wrote:I'll start with some questions! Feel free to answer if you'd like to get the game rolling:

1. How long have you guys been playing mafia?

I played one on another forum, not really knowing what this was about. I did pretty bad, but found it interesting. Thought I would play here because they got really personal and angry over the game. Some people quit because they didn't like the atmosphere. I don't blame them. This should be a fun game, even if we're trying to find out who is lying. I hope it doesn't devolve into people feeling like they are being threatened or something, lol.

2. In a 7v2 setup like this, what do you feel is the best approach to finding the scum?

Honestly, I try to trust my intuition and look at the voting patterns. I'll try to understand a player from their perspective and see if everything they have been doing adds up to their modus operandi or if there are some strange inconsistencies. Some players are naturally inconsistent and some act scummy naturally. So someone who is consistently inconsistent is acting normally in my opinion. But that said, I prefer to get a feel for each player before going after people. But if that fails, I'll easily switch from popular targets to innocuous ones, since I know mafia will being trying to get town to go after each other, while also looking like a low-key helpful town. Well that's what I imagine anyway; I know that won't always be the case either. Just what I've seen in some games and the one I played.

3. Is your playstyle more engaged in posting or do you like to sit back and follow activity of others to get your reads? Do you have a different style when you play mafia or town or is it the same?

I need to get a feel for each player. I need to hear how they reason themselves when questioned and see how other people feel about them. I prefer not lynch until last minute, since that gives a lot more posts to work with and makes it easier for mafia to slip-up and leave some kind of trail in my opinion.

Ayy so work is slow. Let's see if we can get a full post in!

I'm not sure how relevant it is, but I've started looking through some people's games history. Am I allowed to link these or no? I saw a discussion somewhere about referencing out of game stuff but I'm not sure where it is.

That in mind...

VOTE: Transcend

In post 16, ironstove wrote:1. How long have you guys been playing mafia?

Well my old account is over 5 years old here, but it's also been like 5 years since I've last accessed it. I'm used to playing a lot of in-person, but there's a significant difference between playing in-person and forum mafia. The ability to directly quote people is crazy!

2. In a 7v2 setup like this, what do you feel is the best approach to finding the scum?

I've always specialized more heavily in games with lots of roles, I tend not to be as good in a game with a lot of vanilla roles, simply because it's harder (and often times less fun) for me to track threads in people's posts over the course of days than it is to track where people are pointing as to what they supposedly did last night. Other than my mother of course.

Keep track of how people think though, flip-flopping around can mean a lot of things depending on how they're doing it.

3. Is your playstyle more engaged in posting or do you like to sit back and follow activity of others to get your reads? Do you have a different style when you play mafia or town or is it the same?

When I get the time, I prefer to make longer posts simply because it's more interesting and I'd rather format them in ways that makes sense to me rather than do anything else, so often one or two larger posts a day with small bursts of small posts when a bunch of people happen to be on at the same time.

I feel like I try and play the same way, if anyone is familiar with the game The Resistance, I'll always vote no if I'm not on the mission regardless of my alignment. Personas persist between games, whether you want them to or not.

Hello friends! I am innocentvillager, your friendly neighborhood IC (Inexperience-Challenged). Basically what that means is that I am still first and foremost a player, but I am also here as a teaching role and am obligated to answer any theory/game mechanics questions truthfully regardless of my alignment. So if you have any questions about how the game works or the theory behind certain situations, feel free to direct those towards me! Other players that can help if you want a second opinion or when I'm not around are the 3 SE (Semi-Experienced) players in this game, who happen to be karnos, Skold, and Transcend. Unlike me, however, they are NOT bound by the rules to truthfully talk about theory/mechanics, so keep that in mind. Of course, as either alignment, I will be playing to my wincon. Read all about my guidelines for being a good IC for more information.

Okay! So below I am going to explain some basic stuff everyone should know on this site! Feel free to ignore this if you have played here before, but if you are new, I highly recommend you at least take a skim! Thanks for playing with us, and I hope everyone has a great experience!

In post 15, ironstove wrote:I'm a VT!

I think it would be an appropriate start to a newbie game to accidentally kill a town by hammering in RVS XD

ironstove, if this was a serious claim, it was very antitown. Don't clarify whether it was or not (best to give mafia as little information as possible), but please keep in mind for the future that in general, claiming when you don't have to or have no incentive to benefits mafia because they can get closer to figuring out who the PRs are. You had 3 votes but you were not at L-1 yet (and it is still RVS), so you were not in danger of getting lynched. I can go over this more if you have any questions!

Joushi wrote:Ayy so work is slow. Let's see if we can get a full post in!

I'm not sure how relevant it is, but I've started looking through some people's games history. Am I allowed to link these or no? I saw a discussion somewhere about referencing out of game stuff but I'm not sure where it is.

Feel free to quote or link games! If a game is , however, please do not make any mention of it. It's site policy, but in a way also common sense

1. How long have you guys been playing mafia?

I've played in-person mafia a few times and prefer it to online mafia with the right group of people! However, in-person mafia requires a lot of people, which isn't always easy to organize (plus, you need to find the right people). That introduced to me to epicmafia a few years back, which is a chat based outlet for playing mafia. I was very active at that time, but don't play as much on there anymore. I like mafiascum a lot since the long days really make you think critically and carefully. I've been on site for 4+ years, but I took quite a few hiatuses in there, so I'm not actually as scary or experienced as I look! In fact, this is my first time ICing a game, and I hope I make a good impression of this site on all of you!

2. In a 7v2 setup like this, what do you feel is the best approach to finding the scum?

Once we advance out of RVS (usually happens when people start to accuse or put pressure on nitpicky things done in RVS), we should scumhunt as much naturally D1, D2. Natural scumhunting can include asking good questions, posting analyses, critically analyzing posts, watching where people place their votes, looking for insincere scumhunting/underlying motivations, etc. It is best to let the PRs do their jobs for most of the game and for them to stay hidden until they get some sort of a result. Every Newbie game has either a Cop, Jailkeeper, or a Tracker, who can receive very substantive results that help us in game during the night. We should ideally lynch every day we have an odd number of players in order to get the maximum amount of information possible, and we almost always want these lynches to happen in the second RL week (a day or two before the deadline is generally best). I can explain how the lynching procedure works more later as we crawl towards the end of Day 1.

3. Is your playstyle more engaged in posting or do you like to sit back and follow activity of others to get your reads? Do you have a different style when you play mafia or town or is it the same?

My playstyle varies a lot. Many times I am rather aggressive and weirdly proactive. Sometimes I am extremely lurky, mostly due to RL commitments. I tend to be aggressive/defensive as town and try to emulate that as scum, but it really depends on how I'm feeling. For example, this game I will be playing pretty differently from my normal games, since I am ICing and I am bound to certain criteria to set a good example for new players on this site

In post 19, Joushi wrote:I'm not sure how relevant it is, but I've started looking through some people's games history. Am I allowed to link these or no? I saw a discussion somewhere about referencing out of game stuff but I'm not sure where it is.

Also, I am curious:

1) When did you start looking at peoples' game histories (like before the game started, during the game, right after it started)? I'm guessing you're referring to the players in this game?

2) What are you impressions from what you've seen from other people?

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I have a townread on ironstove, a very slight townread on Joushi and Soula, and very minor gut scumread on karnos.

VOTE: karnos

Soula wrote:Really guys, it just started. What good reason is there to lynch Ironstove at this point? Karnos and Skold seem kind of suspicious voting off the bat like that, unless there's something about this that I'm not getting. That said, Karnos accusing someone of being scum without them even posting is really weird. Either they aren't thinking before they post or they are scum and made a little slip at the beginning. hmmm. I'll be paying attention to them.

Sorry for posting it a bit late, but I will direct you here to the "RVS" spoiler section of my IC Post. Ironstove is not actually in danger of being lynched, so long as every refrains from putting people at L-1. In its most basic form, RVS is where people vote, often for silly reasons, to try and kickstart the game. I don't think people who are voting for ironstove actually want him lynched (unless they're scum and ironstove is town, lol). It is still, of course, important to be careful in RVS so as to not accidentally lynch someone. That is why we should always whenever we put people at L-1 or intend to hammer. Ironstove was at L-2, so so far he is okay.

You can go ahead and make a vote too! If you see something even remotely scummy at this stage, cast a vote down, and let me know if you have any questions!

ironstove is solid town, if he's mafia a big fat loss is something I endure this game.

With that said: Don't claim your role unless you're at L-1 (1 vote away from being lynched). Especially if the vote is in RVS. None of the 3 votes on you were legitimate votes and now scum have a better idea on who the PR's (power roles i.e. non vanilla townies) are.

Scum ALREADY have a significantly ENORMOUS higher amount of information than town does since they know everyone's alignment in this game. It's best to withhold as much information from the scumteam as possible (i.e. claims) or else that just makes their win a lot easier.

VOTE: IV

Soula's also probably town for right now.