Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Hi.
I'll post tomorrow or later tonight

[Vedith]

Anyone fill me in so far?

[Vedith]

-All PRs are night 2
-kts was a PR that trolled and got lynched d1--some valuable interactions here
-DGB is scamming it up and doing nothing, she claimed n2 watcher

Not much else...

KTS always trolls, it's an NAI... Shame on you lot I guess.
DGB doing nothing isn't a scum tell right now.

[Vedith]

but I am trying to spend less time on the site in general.

:<

[Vedith]

At least now I can have fun.
Also, didn't properly say hi to vedith before.

"HI VEDITH!"

Hope you are town buddy, cause I want to town pool you.

HI! *waves*
I don't want to be in your town pool! :<
But you can tell me 3 decent names to ISO.

[Vedith]

I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

Are you willing to talk to me and stuff on this account, fire?

Who do you think is scum then?
I'll ISO Lickety later. Normally he looks a lot more town when he's scum.

[Vedith]

dawwww Fire is so CUTE!!!!

He'll burn your face off if piss him off though!

[Vedith]

DGB and hiplop are my top scumreads atm. Slandaar is another possible scum, and not sure about fire slot atm. Everyone else I have some degree of townread on.

Okay, I'll start there!

[Vedith]

DGB and hiplop are lazy scumreads IMO, its like the laziest of scumreads.

I don't think DGB is scum there, HipLop on the other hand I don't know.

[Vedith]

Lickety's ISO too stronk - Can you point me to scummy points on him?

[Vedith]

Is Raskolnikov confirmed town btw?

[Vedith]

Happy to see you two, btw!

However, you didn't need to write an essay just because I joined!

[Vedith]

I was glad when I saw you two as replacements since the game should get a lot more fun now (regardless of your align actually). Vedith you won't change the townread on that slot right?
I haven't played with you fire but I'm vaguely familiar since I see you almost everywhere onsite, impression is you're actually kind of similar to vedith.

I can't promise anything! :<
Me and Fire are one!

[Vedith]

If either of you two have a scumread beyond dgb/hip and can sort of back it up I'd like to hear it. I have a lot to say on literally everyone so the discussion should be interesting.

I know dgb/hip is lazy now but it wasn't lazy at the time either of those scumreads started (and lurking after being scumread is understandable from scum) and I'm really struggling to see it elsewhere.

I can see HipLop more than DGB. I don't think HipLop likes being scum, personal opinion on him. What I've seen he puts less effort in them, but it could just be the games in general he hasn't been interest in.
His ISO was short, and basically effortless.

[Vedith]

My second ever newbie game both scum were lurky then replaced out and plot-IC was like "scum rarely replace out in a newbie" and I like townread them partially on that and "what are the odds both are inactive" and I failed miserably in Tvts looking for scum elsewhere.

Scum replace out a lot more than town. I've joined enough games as a replacement to know that.

[Vedith]

Do you think the aristo case is fine too? I might have slightly exaggerated tbh but I still believe the major points. I think reading a slot you should consider every player within it.

It's 3:18am, I'm not reading that post until tomorrow! :<

[Vedith]

Where did firebringer go, I was more interested in him. Isn't he like the better player of you two?

Yeah, he's also the scum head of us. His scum game is too good and if you ever town read him, lynch him!

[Vedith]

You know what I'm surprised about is that non normals as in mini themes often feel more "normal" then actual normals.

I really don't know how this game with all night actions on a specific night can be normal.
I still am like "what?"

Even more so not normal with an IC. It basically just a guaranteed death lol

[Vedith]

Is there even any other NA that can happen after Night 2? Like I don't see a down side to claiming Day 3.

[Vedith]

All non-Vanilla roles hold the modifier "Night 2". Other modifiers may exist in the game (in conjunction with "Night 2") if applicable.

Here you go, Maria!

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Rask

Why was Krask voting you, Rask?
I mean, I can look tomorrow but not tonight.

[Vedith]

I feel like you are playing dumb. You don't know why your slot voted for someone and you think I am fishing for saying we should claim our results Day 3.

Why is it a fish vedith?

P-Edit: You were saying Vedith?

Just because it's not the case doesn't mean you aren't fishing for it!
How is not reading an ISO playing dumb?

[Vedith]

If you don't read up on who you are replacing, then that is just sloppy. Not Scummy in itself, but you made a comment about replacing into a lot of slots to know you really should be doing that, and that is what I think is Scummy.

You act like you've never played with me before
Why would I priorities what my other body done? I'm not looking for scum in that ISO now, am I?

[Vedith]

We honestly should all claim today imo since only actions work tonight.

Scummy move - Town fire?

[Vedith]

Who cares? This game isn't fucking normal mafia

I care :<

[Vedith]

Everyone at min should claim power role or not.

Okay - I am power role or not.

[Vedith]

I'm rebelling to Fire's plan!

Spoiler:

I'm a power role!

[Vedith]

So from what I know standard operating procedure is to always lynch in the PRs.

Can I change to VT then?

[Vedith]

Someone finally scumreads LQ with me?

Any reason you're not voting your scum read?

[Vedith]

So after checking, DGB looks scum, Lickety looks town.

VOTE: DGB

[Vedith]

We're not lynching till the last 2 players claim.

I don't mind waiting, but DGB is the right lynch today.
Lickety I'm pretty sure is town.

[Vedith]

You don't think that the fact that we have so many PRs and he hasn't been countered doesn't point to him being town?

No, I do not think that at all.

She

(DGB) is most likely scum.

[Vedith]

I'll just say it otherwise we get no where. I'm a Watcher.
No way is there 2 in the game for town.

[Vedith]

Ummm

-All PRs are night 2
-kts was a PR that trolled and got lynched d1--some valuable interactions here
-DGB is scamming it up and doing nothing,

she claimed n2 watcher

Not much else...

KTS always trolls, it's an NAI... Shame on you lot I guess.

DGB doing nothing isn't a scum tell right now

.

I didn't read properly and forgot my role.
Then re read while looking for a different PM.

Regardless, me claiming here as scum would mean that I was saving a scum buddy (Lickety or HipLop) so that would be 2 scum for the price 1.
However, I am actually Watcher.

[Vedith]

I also wonder why vedith didn't counter as soon as he "re read" his role.

I don't read properly. I also received several emails at the same time (not confirming what from site rules) so I don't realise half the time. :<

[Vedith]

@Vedith so what role did you think you had?

I'm not saying because of reasons.

[Vedith]

50/50. I'm shocked people just straight up bought the "I forgot my role" claim w/o questioning it @ all.

People know how useless I am by now I guess

[Vedith]

We need to vote in DGB and Ved today and I highly suggest it be DGB I don't see why Ved could claim right into a cc as scum when DGB was one of the main fos's in the first place

Well with DGB's self vote, that's DGB claiming scum.
What was you saying JarJar?

[Vedith]

Now we go into the night phase w/o hiplop and Slanders claim.

Both are probably scum so what's it matter.

[Vedith]

Also, I'll watch myself tonight and if someone kills me I'll let you all know!

[Vedith]

Fire, are you scum?

[Vedith]

Scum killed VT claim as they are hidden in PR claims. Makes sense.

Also the fact that all the PRs probably focused on the other PRs.
Risk of a doctor and all.

[Vedith]

I go last because I am obviously town - DGB voted me the entire game and everyone knows what I am claiming anyways.

I mean, shouldn't I be last with that logic?

[Vedith]

DGB voted you?

No, I'm going by 1747

Surely I'm obvious town and people know what I am going to claim, that's what you said, right?

[Vedith]

DGB was dead before the claim I don't think your claim is worth much. Claim was delayed, can easily concocted in chat once no-one else cc'ed.

Considering people were discussing not voting DGB, saying that she was already dead is terrible.
We could easily say it was scum bussing for town cred on you.
I know DGB doesn't normally bus, but she hasn't been playing as her usual self lately anyway...

But considering that list is for people to claim, I'm not sure that I even need to be on that list.

[Vedith]

Fire, are you scum?

Yes

This explain my result! :<

[Vedith]

Why aren't you voting me then?

I'd prefer to live in a world with scum Fire than not!

[Vedith]

Vedith claimed PR so I am pretty interested hearing these "results" he has on me.

I watched you and no one visited. :<

[Vedith]

I watched you and no one visited. :<

why would anyone visit me, least of all scum?

VT and all.

[Vedith]

Because scum would never go killing a PR with all of the possible roles - Only a stupid town would have gone to a PR.

[Vedith]

I'm here!

[Vedith]

I'm here!

Can you tell me the roles that don't visit?

I mean, there's lots of roles that don't visit.
This goes under normal games on roles though, right?

[Vedith]

If so

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[Vedith]

Then let us talk about good movies.

I am currently watching LA Confidential.
Its pretty good.

I watched Sausage party last night.
Was expecting it to be better but was pretty good.

[Vedith]

What is that movie even about? I haven't looked into it, but just the images of it were like " Iam not watching this"

About food lol.

[Vedith]

I know that.....

The animation looked so bad though.

It's more for the jokes lol

[Vedith]

Why are you spamming the thread?

Better question is why aren't you?

Because he's super serial!

[Vedith]

Slandaar is just salty! :<

[Vedith]

And you watching a movie like "Nerve" tells me that you don't want to stick out with a current movie that people would have opinions on.....which is scummy.

TRYING TO HIDE BEHIND A MOVIE THAT I HAVENT HEARD OF!?!?!?!?!?!?

She probably watched Godfather for tips!

[Vedith]

First off, Manuel claimed PR. Scum didn't shoot a VT claim


Second, I caught scum w/ my role so we're gonna have a 1v1. Y'all still want me to wait to claim?

Maybe do yours last.
That was no counter to yours.

[Vedith]

I'm kinda thinking that if I do mine first, it'll add credence to my claim since it'll show that I'm not worried about a counter like I would if I was scum.

Doesn't it suggest that given that you confirmed you think you have scum already?
Scum have no idea what you are as it stands, so let them give out their claims.

[Vedith]

So we're just gonna twiddle our thumbs for a day n a half?

What was the last movie you watched?

[Vedith]

I think everyone already knows my role.

Mafia Roleblocker?

[Vedith]

Maria is scum...

[Vedith]

Maria is talking bollocks anyway

[Vedith]

Maria is talking bollocks anyway

I can't tell if you're srs or not Ved stop scaring me.

I'm serious! I don't believe you!

[Vedith]

Hiplop won't claim any time soon if he's scum.
I say if he doesn't post by Monday then we take that as a scum claim and I'm only being nice as it's the weekend

[Vedith]

I can't tell what roles would be likely and what wouldn't be on this site that's why I asked what visits

This will be a laugh

[Vedith]

Didn't you scumread maria?

He was also trying to call me a liar over DGB.

[Vedith]

I think the best order should of been "Who's an invest pr" and they claim last with reports incase we have any cc's that f up the claims not the order person wise

Scum

[Vedith]

You don't scumread me because you're not shallow

I am shallow! :<
Your slip was fake though.

[Vedith]

You don't scumread me because you're not shallow

I am shallow! :<
Your slip was fake though.

What "slip" I gotta see this

*Softing

[Vedith]

I asked what roles visit and I didn't think of it as a soft at first but then I re read it and I saw how obv it was it wasn't suppose to BE a soft but when I looked at it I guess it was

example: Where I play watcher doesn't visit but from I was told it does here? So I wanted to see a list of roles that didn't visit so my report matches up/don't have a un needed cc

(don't say wtf why did you say you have a report!) It's really obv I do.

You said the following;

Can you tell me the roles that don't visit?

You then later said

I think everyone already knows my role.

You then hated that you softed it with this (after drawing more attention to it)

Yeah that was me softing by mistake and I hit my face on my desk for asking

You then fake AtE

I can't tell if you're srs or not Ved stop scaring me.

WHAT THE FUCK

Then realise I won't buy your fake AtE, so go back to normal.

You're scum.

[Vedith]

It feels LAMIST. Just like about 1/4 of Marias posts are. I think it's just how she posts.

No.

[Vedith]

Because it's really obv what role I am when I say "WHAT ROLE VISITS"

I wasn't trying to ate there I was asking a question because you joke around a lot so I wanted to know if you were srs and the "what the fuck" was because you have no reason to sr me and it was so sudden

w/e sorry for asking how mechs of a game works (there's your ate)

I'm not buying it!

[Vedith]

Then fucking vote me Ved

I'm waiting for the claims. A confirmed guilty gets priority before I vote you.

[Vedith]

Catch up tomorrow

[Vedith]

VOTE: Slandaar

HipLop other scum, easy money.

[Vedith]

I am generally confused on that Vedith.

Also, MariaR switching avi is disturbing me.

Their not claiming so both are scum.

[Vedith]

Sland and HipLop

[Vedith]

Hiplop claimed

Oh...

[Vedith]

everyone knows what I am claiming anyways.

VT

Why did everyone know you were a VT?

[Vedith]

Refusing to claim would make me think you're a pr more than a VT but that doesn't seem important

Quiet, scum!

[Vedith]

I'm joking Maria, I changed my mind on you being scum!

[Vedith]

Okay now I'm even more confused then before

Good

[Vedith]

LQ, if you were scum, who's your buddy?

[Vedith]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Why would scum out themselves to lynch a VT?

[Vedith]

VOTE: LQ

Should we finish the claims first
also *Ahem* I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO

Of course, my vote is just ready!

Also, I never doubted you, Maria!

[Vedith]

I'm tracker and Infinity visited Vedith

Bastard!

[Vedith]

If Infinity confirms, then surely that clears Maria too?

[Vedith]

What makes me laugh is LQ doesn't even vote JarJar.
If I was town and someone said I'm scum my vote would be there in an instant.

[Vedith]

VOTE: JarJar

Happy? I do think Jarjar is Scum now that he hasn't rescinded that it was just a gambit.

This is like not being invited to a birthday party, then when I say "Thanks for the invite" they respond with "Well, you're welcome to come!"
So no, I'm not happy, it's the thought that counts.

[Vedith]

Yeah and Infinity is proven to have visited me.

[Vedith]

I said DGB probably was town and said I'm not sure on HipLop. :<

[Vedith]

Eh I was close to solving this on D1. I wish you guys hadn't lynched KTS after DGB voted him it was obvious what was going on.

I can say this now because the game is over

VOTE: Hip

If HipLop is town then this is scum.

VOTE: HipLop

[Vedith]

Why did we have such a short day?

Scum must have ended early?

[Vedith]

Oh, fair enough.

[Vedith]

People need to realise, I wouldn't be killing Fire as scum.

Did Infinity claim doc before or after HipLop?

[Vedith]

So Infinity claimed after.
He would be stupid to do that if it wasn't the truth.
I can see 2 docs since all powers are night 2 only.

Infinity will probably be a bad lynch.

Slandaar seems to be the obvious choice here, and if I didn't want to think too much into it I would say he's scum.
However, I do want to think too much into it and look at everyone.

I'll do some checking on Maria and Rask though before hand.

[Vedith]

So with Rask... I don't like the whole DGB and HipLop scum day 2, but voting HipLop over DGB and putting HipLop before DGB in the scummier lynch part. It's a psychology thing imo.
It would make sense to distance from DGB while pushing for a HipLop vote here.

@Slandaar - Can you explain your thought process on why you were obvious town? This is not a dig, I just want to know.

[Vedith]

It's really scum sided for there 2 be 2 doctors imo

Why?
Infinity claiming doc

AFTER

HipLop did makes no sense.

[Vedith]

Leaving

LQ

,

KTS

,

DGB

, Maria,

Aristo

Possible that Slandaar got all the scum in this post?

[Vedith]

@Maria - Why are you town again?

[Vedith]

wtf...

Yes?

[Vedith]

So I don't think I like Slandaar as the vote either.
To me it's Rask or Maria...

[Vedith]

So as it stands, the claims we have are

Vedith - Watcher, watched Fire
Maria Tracker - Tracked Infinity to me (I guess tracker confirmed, just not alignment)
Slandaar - VT
Rask - VT
Infinity - Doc and visited me

[Vedith]

Infinity is more or less confirmed, right? If Maria is town, then she saw him go to me, and I can't think of a scum role that would benefit them to visit me without me dying.

[Vedith]

Tracker could be town or scum in this situation, but I feel tracker would be redundant as scum as powers are only night 2.
Game balance wise would suggest that a VT is a goon.

Slandaar I'm liking more from his early posts.

[Vedith]

Tracker could be town or scum in this situation, but I feel tracker would be redundant as scum as powers are only night 2.

To clarify - I mean that Tracker is to see who has a role with scum... It doesn't matter who has roles for scum overall as they can only be used 1 night, and not after the information is gained.

[Vedith]

Vedith did you get no result or no one visited

He was not visited.

[Vedith]

Are you actually sure on this?

Yes, I actually double checked to make sure!

[Vedith]

I could be another track/watch role, but eh

Why would you watch me? And tracking me is also pointless.
So again, I don't understand the point of it, and I don't see scum having that role as it's useless.

I'm thinking Rask is scum here.

[Vedith]

2 docs, gunsmith, watcher, tracker if all PRs are true
VS mafia voyeur, goon, ???

is this a reasonable level of power? also technically tracker as town has usage of checking 1 VT claim to make sure they haven't gone anywhere
I'm not sure if this was designed with early massclaim in mind

It's all day 2 only powers. 1 shot powers to 3 scum would match up.

[Vedith]

Also Infinity, give over.
I wouldn't be killing Fire as scum.

If you are scum and just pulling the wool over my eyes, then keep going as you obviously want 2 mis lynches.
But if you are town as I think, then just read Rask's ISO.
See the distancing from DGB and the harder push on HipLop over DGB.

[Vedith]

If I learned anything about game balanced recently it would be that this is a good PR number because of the d2 modifier
also this game was made after that thread that berated people for not giving town enough PR

In a perfect world I'd just lynch slandaar (and if that fails I have my own ideas between the rest I will not share)
but in a practical sense I'm feeling incredibly lazy and wouldn't mind a 1 for 1

I feel that Rask is trying to build a mis lynch on Slandaar here for tomorrow.
I think that it should be either me or Rask lynched today.

[Vedith]

vedith if you knew I was town who else would you lynch
I don't actually have much motivation to play this anymore or defend myself but if I get lynched and you get night killed that's probably not ending well

Either Maria or Slandaar.
Probably Slandaar over Maria though as she is confirmed tracker, and it makes no sense for scum to have a tracker.

[Vedith]

Vedith asked me "Why am I town" and to give you my answer:

I already answered this anyway.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Infinity

This doesn't make sense for scum to claim this.
There was no role to give scum a doc and claiming doc after a doc claim on what looks like a most likely lynch to happen makes 0 sense.

Just think about it for 2 seconds.

[Vedith]

Can you rephrase that I think I only understood half of what you said I think it was like "It makes no sense for Infinity to claim doc as scum?"
is that right?

Yes, that's right.

[Vedith]

This is why I think last scum is in Ved/Infinity because town have so many ways to clear themself and 2 doc's/ watcher seems overkill

I thought you were a tracker?

[Vedith]

Yes? I'm talking about with an IC combo tracker doesn't really go into that combo

Mis read your post, I thought you were saying there were 2 docs and 2 watchers.

[Vedith]

@Slandaar - Thought process on you being obvious town please

@Maria - Can you explain your LQ scum read on day 1 for me. I believe day 2 you had him as your top scum read, correct?

[Vedith]

Vedith is really not playing like if expect scum to play in lylo. Ughh

That's because I'm not scum.
Did you look at Rask and Slandaar?

What about my comment on Rask with putting HipLop and DGB but voting HipLop over DGB originally.
It's standard distancing imo.

[Vedith]

I already talked about that, standard distancing =/= scum.

BUT WHY WOULD THERE BE 7 PRS INCLUDING A WATCHER IN THIS GAME

Because all powers are night 2 only?
The setup is made to find 1 scum on night 2.
The best option Mafia could have done is not kill night 2, then their only risk is a cop.

Why do you think there can't be a watcher but can be 2 docs?

[Vedith]

It's not a problem with watcher specifically, I just don't think 7 1-shots is balanced. Especially since scum don't have an rb. Maybe they have a doc to counter gunsmith?

I wouldn't really know though.

But you are claiming doc, so why in your view of mind would they have a doc?
Having all scum be a possible target from a gun smith makes perfect sense imo. To balance it, town have to pick correctly to find scum night 2, if we don't then we have nothing to go on but reads.
Given we have 2 lynches before using the powers, it's a high chance that 1 of those lynches will be a town PR, let alone if both are.

[Vedith]

Idk why they would have 2 docs. Might be a way to help scum? This is the only way 7 PRs makes sense imo.

Scum wouldn't know if there was a watcher a tracker and 2 docs, so they don't know not to NK. That means there's a really good chance to catch scum with a track or a watch and also the gunsmith.

It's true the fact that they're n2 makes them slightly less powerful than 1-shot, but only slightly.

With only night 2 abilities, you can easily assume a tracker or watcher. You can also assume a protective role, and expect it to be power heavy.
IC I don't consider a PR, but instead the night 1 kill for scum.

If the IC was day 2 reveal then yes, I would doubt that many powers, but it's not so 6 powers is perfectly fine for this setup.

Rask or Slandaar have to be scum imo.

[Vedith]

Why does day 2 vs. night 2 make a difference for IC?

Also scum killed night so *shrug*

Probably trying to hit an investigative

Because people can use their power to protect / watch IC etc.
And then a mass claim could be organised by the IC to get several confirms going into the next day.
Actually makes the balance very town sided in that situation.

Probably. I guess they wanted to go for a PR less likely to be protected / watched.

[Vedith]

But IC can just claim d2

That's the point.
Day 2 IC is really powerful in this game, day 1 IC is a waste of a role.

That's why I don't consider the IC a PR slot.

[Vedith]

But the IC was night 2.

Theoretically in this game IC could've claimed d2 to serve the same purpose as a d2 IC.

I thought IC was day 1 reveal?

[Vedith]

Oh, I assumed she was killed night 1 because she was revealed.
That changes a lot then.

I'll review this again tonight.

[Vedith]

Slandarr why are you ignoring my question to you?

[Vedith]

Don't really care for the question anyways. It should be obvious why, you can see my read progression on DGB and she voted me the entire game almost. If you don't consider that obvtown then you shouldn't consider anyone obvtown.

I don't consider anyone obvious town at this point. This is why I'm trying to work this out.
I don't understand how you are obvious town though. You don't really give a valid answer for it, and now you are saying to lynch Infinity then me.
The only 2 points of a case you have on me is 1 - I didn't read the game properly when I can prove I do this as either align 2 - I called you scum if HipLop flipped town.

That's not much of a case... And I feel if you were truly town you would bring up points today like me visiting Fire instead of others, or me hammering early yesterday.
What you are saying is that you think I am scum, but we should lynch Infinity first although he is proven to have visited me.

I keep trying to work out a scum role that would have Infinity visit me and my action work.

If he was a Mafia doc, why would he visit me out of all people?
If they had a Mafia doc, they would be worried that town have a vig and protect themselves.
If he wanted credit for visiting someone not dying, then why visit the watcher?

I will not be lynching Infinity today or tomorrow.

Again with Maria, I don't see tracker being scum in this setup. Although I'd lynch Maria over Infinity I won't be voting here today.

Rask or Slandaar have to be the vote today imo.

The difference with Rask and Slandaar is Slandaar is preparing a mis lynch today with planning a lynch on me tomorrow. This shows high doubt about Infinity from Slandaars POV.

[Vedith]

There is some doubt because I had him as town a long time so yes.

High doubt? not really.

You are just trying to pick on my wording.

It's not pick on your wording.
Tell me that I'm wrong that scum Mafia can be the only role he will be to visit me, and he would have to be very bad at Mafia to visit the watcher.

If you can't tell me that I'm wrong, and give an example to how I'm wrong, then I'm not voting Infinity.

PEDIT - But why would he visit me and not someone else for town cred or his partner?!

Your argument does not stand.

[Vedith]

I accept 1v1 with vedith.

As is even if infinity is scum and wins if I get return lynched (say slandaar dies and maria doesn't buy into too many PR logic) he probably deserves it.

VOTE: vedith

Sit down.

[Vedith]

Actually with maria also preferring infinity this might be a lost cause.

Well, if me and you both agree not to lynch Infinity then he's fine.

I'm going to put something later after work to why Slandaar is scum here.

[Vedith]

Now, these don't actually make sense
1. If he was a mafia doc, visiting watcher gets you a very low chance of being watched (watcher won't watch themselves for obvious reasons)
2. Compared to visiting LQ, if infinity was tracked to LQ and flipped as scumdoc it would incriminate LQ, and LQ flipping scum with inf claiming doc also doesn't look good there. Yes it would risk vig shot, but doing it risks both getting caught if infinity is scum.
3. This one is just stupid.

You have infinity at super town on like faulty night logic and claim wifom logic whereas everyone else seems to be considering their read of the player himself. I don't know how you are so trusting of double doc without a strong base townread like I have there, and even in spite of me having that I still have some trouble with it.

Cute turn after I vote, btw

I don't understand where there's a turn.
He would obviously want town cred as scum, so why would he be hiding where he visits?
Your logic makes 0 sense here.
This doesn't conflict with what I have been saying at all so I'm not sure how you got a turn from this.
Discredit because I'm 100% correct I suppose?

And the reason I can accept it is because I've played enough games and been in this kind of situation to know that games are not always as simple answered as people think.
I also give Ifinity more credit than saying that he would claim doc as scum after a doc claim.

[Vedith]

@Maria - Just think of it properly. What I say makes complete sense with Infinity.
If that means you change your vote to me then so be it. But if you do, I want it to be clear that Infinity is not voted tomorrow

[Vedith]

Maria who's scum if I'm town

Prob Vedith

Why

I've said it so many times

IC + 2 doctors and watcher seem over kill

It's night 2 actions only. The balance of this is to find scum with the night actions, and if you don't then town have no powers for the rest of the game.
As I said, it's highly likely that town PR is lynched before any of these powers are used.

The fact we got scum before any powers were used is what's making this look more of an advantage that it's probability.

[Vedith]

I'm going to go over my POV right now so maybe you can get a better look into my head

If I assume both Doctor and Watcher are real that means both scum claimed VT

if IC didn't die they could of claimed day 2 or not and both doctors and watcher would of for sure been on the IC watcher is alive and reports 2 doctors visit t he IC leading to almost a cc because I don't think anyone would auto assume both docs are real it just seems quite swingy
Scum doc also makes a ton of since because of gunsmith aka another way to be "clear" because this would seem quite townsided with the IC alive so they need at least 1 counter
"Why would Infinity claim doc though!" you just answered your own question also it was already talked about maybe he wasn't planning on claiming his real role but he had to because I tracked him?

So why wouldn't he claim cop or something then?
There wasn't a cop role...
He could have even said Vanilla cop to see if I was lying.

[Vedith]

I'm going to go over my POV right now so maybe you can get a better look into my head

If I assume both Doctor and Watcher are real that means both scum claimed VT

if IC didn't die they could of claimed day 2 or not and both doctors and watcher would of for sure been on the IC watcher is alive and reports 2 doctors visit t he IC leading to almost a cc because I don't think anyone would auto assume both docs are real it just seems quite swingy
Scum doc also makes a ton of since because of gunsmith aka another way to be "clear" because this would seem quite townsided with the IC alive so they need at least 1 counter
"Why would Infinity claim doc though!" you just answered your own question also it was already talked about maybe he wasn't planning on claiming his real role but he had to because I tracked him?

So why wouldn't he claim cop or something then?
There wasn't a cop role...
He could have even said Vanilla cop to see if I was lying.

Apart from KTS, obviously, but he was JOAT, not cop.

[Vedith]

So I just want to point out here.
Maria thinks that Infinity is scum doc and visited me so he wasn't caught visiting else where instead of just not going out and claiming he was Roleblocker if tracked.
Yet I'm the one not making sense

[Vedith]

Scum Roleblocker would fit in well with this setup.
If Infinity said he was Roleblocker I'd believe it

[Vedith]

I accept 1v1 with vedith.

Is this still up for offer?

[Vedith]

did you miss the vote?

Okay, I'm agreeing to this.
I've checked through all ISO's and I think that a 1 v 1 of me and Rask should be set.

Although it's obvious that DGB is trying to change her scum meta, She's not a stupid player and wouldn't vote off KTS with all scum on the wagon.

1 of me or Rask should be lynched today and the other tomorrow (if you choose me )

VOTE: Rask

[Vedith]

the "turn" is you saying "rask is scum I'll trade 1 for 1"
and then I vote you and accept
and next thing you say is

I never said I'll trade 1 for 1 until my most recent post... Show me...

[Vedith]

Also, this is more of a reason for people to only vote me and you.
I'll claim scum if it means you get lynched tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I feel that Rask is trying to build a mis lynch on Slandaar here for tomorrow.
I think that it should be either me or Rask lynched today.

Difference is I'm in a 1 v 1 with you
That means no if buts or maybes, it's us 2 getting lynched.

Why are you suddenly all worried over this?

[Vedith]

Then great.

I'm claiming scum right now.
I made the kill on FireBringer last night.

[Vedith]

you said it as a throwaway comment and I guess didn't expect it to be accepted.
but now you're not allowed to back out of this now, you know?

Oh wait I see what you mean, that wasn't me as a 1 v 1 in my mind but I see how you see it.
Yes, I cannot back out and neither can you.

Lynch me as I am claiming scum today then do not even try to argue your lynch if I flip town.
If you argue tomorrow, it's a scum claim.

GG

[Vedith]

Ok say rask or vedith gets lynched. They say "shit I was wrong don't lynch me". Then sland or maria votes me in lylo.

Neither of us can say wrong lynch in the laws of a 1 v 1...
The lynch is me today, Rask tomorrow.

[Vedith]

I'm claiming scum so if they don't like it then their shit.

[Vedith]

They're as well.

[Vedith]

Maria take your head out of your arse and stop being useless.

[Vedith]

if he's scum he's bluffing anyways and doing this to be townread

Yup.

[Vedith]

Who

the fuck

is scum

It's pretty obvious.

[Vedith]

Maria take your head out of your arse and stop being useless.

I could say the same to you ^_^

Difference is I countered your stupid theory all the way...
Counter mine and we'll talk more about it.

Otherwise I'm claiming that I made the kill on Fire. You said I am second most likely to be scum, so vote me.

[Vedith]

You didn't counter me what so ever

Are you stupid?

[Vedith]

Tldr: I think with my tracker report on Infinity he was forced to claim the role he really was (being scum doctor) instead of fake claiming a dif role and his whole defense is "why would I claim doc!"

It's night 2 actions only. The balance of this is to find scum with the night actions, and if you don't then town have no powers for the rest of the game.
As I said, it's highly likely that town PR is lynched before any of these powers are used.

The fact we got scum before any powers were used is what's making this look more of an advantage that it's probability.

So I just want to point out here.
Maria thinks that Infinity is scum doc and visited me so he wasn't caught visiting else where instead of just not going out and claiming he was Roleblocker if tracked.
Yet I'm the one not making sense

Scum Roleblocker would fit in well with this setup.
If Infinity said he was Roleblocker I'd believe it

[Vedith]

Saying he wouldn't claim doc here isn't a counter neither is why

Learn to fucking read.

[Vedith]

He could be a mafia follower.

It makes sense.

Tracker town follower scum.

AND Watcher town voyeur scum.

Makes a lot of sense.

+ He targets you because it's a pointless role for scum when massclaim is coming today but it looks good if he is ... tracked.

Scum have those roles to find town powers and to kill them to prevent them using them again.
What good is it to find that night 2? The threat is already gone.

GTFO

I'm done.

[Vedith]

Rask it trying to get out of this 1 v 1 we have... :<
Scum is in either me or Rask. I'm sure.

Stop trying to butter people up Rask with the "Oh my god Infinity, I love your play as scum, if you're scum you totes diserve this win, hehe!"

If Ifinity wins as scum it's because he's shit, not because he plays well as scum.

[Vedith]

You I think may be scum based on your play today, but I've been meaning to ISO you, DGB, and LQ and never did.

I didn't see DGB mention Rask once...
Who else didn't DGB mention once? Dunn?! Hmmmmmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMM!

As I already said, DGB is obviously trying to change her play style (I'm not sure for better or worse right now) but old habbits die hard (or are hard to die) but you get my point.

[Vedith]

Rask it trying to get out of this 1 v 1 we have... :<
Scum is in either me or Rask. I'm sure.

Stop trying to butter people up Rask with the "Oh my god Infinity, I love your play as scum, if you're scum you totes diserve this win, hehe!"

If Ifinity wins as scum it's because he's shit, not because he plays well as scum.

Can I ask what made you sr me early on please?

The shitty way you 'slipped' and then started to AtE, then backed off as we were scumming it together else where at the time.
Then I decided against it, as I felt you were completley different in the other game due to having other players you know well in there (The AtE in that game was always against me your scum buddy or against Gerry or Trans, your friends).

[Vedith]

This is not how Rask plays as town

All I see is Rask trying to look for a second lynch other than me even though we are in 1 v 1

[Vedith]

For your own sake I really hope you're scum here.

Typical scum comment here...

[Vedith]

VOTE: Infinity

Slandaar and Rask can just lynch me tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Is this a scumclaim tho?

I just know how this game is going to go.
Even if I'm lynched today, idiot town will lynch Infinity tomorrow.

So no point in delaying what is going to happen.

[Vedith]

Hey infinity if you're actually town you should give last thoughts before flip.

So scummy....

[Vedith]

Vedith if you're town it's overwhelmingly likely infinity is the scum.

No, you're the scum...
This is not how I've seen you play at all and is probably a lot more like Stack the Deck...

[Vedith]

If you're town, after this game I want to talk to you about the dangers of relying on limited meta on people you don't actually know very well.

I'm not only going by meta, I am going by the game itself.
Infinity won't be scum
Maria won't be scum
Slandaar won't be scum.

You are trying to say it's only because of meta. It's because of how you are playing, POE and logic.

So GTFO.

[Vedith]

Infinity could you please alignment claim though

You already know he's town.
You are set on me being scum, so why would you even consider him as scum now?

This is what I mean by scummy from you.

[Vedith]

If POE and logic is my scum play then what is my town play?

I never said POE and Logic was your scum play.
Read my comment properly and then kindly piss off.

[Vedith]

Your problem is you never explain anything to any level of depth so actually trying to understand you or even having a conversation with you is fruitless.

I've explained my opinion enough.
If others refuse to see what's in front of them, that's down to them.

[Vedith]

What pisses me off with your scum play here Rask is that your only defence to not being scum is trying to accuse me of only scum reading you from meta, which is a pile of shit, and personally I think your scum style is fucking dreadful.
You act stupid later in the game and have the worst arse kissing comments to others so get people on your side.
It's just a fucking joke that people aren't even considering you to be honest.

[Vedith]

Finally

Fuck off

[Vedith]

???? This is flipping scum wtf is your issue

I strongly doubt he is.

[Vedith]

I take back what I said, I hope you are town here Vedith

Again, playing stupid when you already know I am town.
This comment gets used as scum more often than town.

[Vedith]

I take back what I said, I hope you are town here Vedith

Again, playing stupid when you already know I am town.
This comment gets used as scum more often than town.

You're just lazy scum imo.

[Vedith]

Everyone just request to end the night early and move on.

[Vedith]

I like how you're ridiculously positive infinity's flipping town when you hammered him.

What's the point in delaying mine and his lynch?
You really are fucking stupid.

[Vedith]

Oh wow so Rask is town and Maria is scum.
Okay guys get this over with, vote me up.

[Vedith]

@Rask - Tell me how my logic on Infinity was bad again btw

[Vedith]

1) why are you in this 3 way

Because I wasn't killed last night

2) (and prob the more important one) why did you both tr infinity where I don't thin he did anything really redeeming or anything to prove he was towny

Because I'm town.


Those questions were pretty easy.

[Vedith]

Want to play a game of "Is Rask clear"?

[Vedith]

I think I would win if I was scum here Vedith but I'm doubting all of my thoughts for silly reasons I don't think you have any reasons to sr me and just think you're upset. Could be wrong.

You will win.
I've never won in 3p as town.
I've won as scum though in 3p.

[Vedith]

I think you knew this was the outcome that was going to happen and that Infinity was your only win con I'll make a giant post but I feel good about this even if I thought Rask's whole "what LQ you're scum no way!" was forced

You realise if I was scum I'd be saying reasons left right and centre to why I'm not.
Anyone who's seen me as scum know I don't give up as scum at all.
I was hoping overall to be lynched yesterday rather than today, because as said, I've never won a 3P as town, because I'm absolute shit at defending myself when town rather than when scum.

All I know is you get scum waaaaaay to often, Maria.

I'm going to start changing my play style and ploicy lynch you from now on I think.

That all said...

Rask will either come in the game with a massive hard on for me and vote me.
Or post then get a hard on and vote me.

Regardless, I'm not caring, and I just want this game to be over a long with all other games as MS is starting to do my head in.

[Vedith]

Can you please try though this isn't fun if you don't

This game stopped being fun yesterday.
I don't see the point in trying when my efforts will be a waste because I don't use fancy terms, or my comments just seem stupid to others.

[Vedith]

I feel like you knew that Infinity was your only way of winning your reads have flipped throughout the game and you lined up lynches the only thing I don't really get is the night kill maybe you thought I was a better push but you kinda get f'd with IC 2 doctors making watcher overkill thing and you're "w/e" type of attitude and anger is your only defense

Ok

[Vedith]

your reaction with LQ seemed so forced to me no but srsly am I able to go to bed not that I'll be to upset but meh

Funny this wasn't mentioned yesterday.

[Vedith]

@Rask, just get your vote down so we can move on.
There's nothing to suggest that you will be voting outside of me so there is no point in delaying this game.

[Vedith]

I meant rask not you but even if it wasn't re reading does a lot of wonders Ved

Pedit: and here comes the anger ate Ved can you like come back later or something when you're not as angry please so we can have a proper cc

Maria give over.
I'm giving you the game, you don't have to act like a cunt over it.

[Vedith]

Whatever Maria.
I can see why people hate playing with you as scum.

[Vedith]

Vedith why were you scumreading me again?

Meta / Logical thinking (at least imo), POE, setp spec, your posting / Avoidance coversations from you and scum / the lazy scum reading yesterday.

[Vedith]

And why did scum have to be in VTs?

Because I didn't believe that scum would have a tracker.
The purpose of it in this game is so pointless a fruit vendor makes more sense.

[Vedith]

You don't think a fruit vendor claim would look worse than a tracker who is potentially being "helpful" by confirming another role?

It was a sarcastic comment saying how useful a tracker role is for scum in this game.
Tracker is to find town powers to help take out a future PR. All powers are night 2 so when they find out who is a PR, they basically just find a VT.

If it's for a visit purpose, there are more roles that could be considered imo... Tracker not being one.

[Vedith]

Why do you flip read on maria before she even votes you?

The person killed last night made no difference.
I even tried to encourage in the day that my vote would be on you or Slandaar.
Any of you 3 were going to vote me over the others so Maria killed who was most town read made sense.

Sure I could have kept her alive to use that as a case but town me knows that she should have been killed.

Your question is pointless because if I'm scum I'm going to make this reason up if I'm town I'm going to believe this reason.

Either way it doesn't adjust my align in anyway.

[Vedith]

Vedith why were you scumreading me again?

Meta / Logical thinking (at least imo)

How exactly?

How what?
Meta you seemed off and I already explained the DGB meta.
Logical thinking I've explained. Tracker made no sense as scum and Infinity was doc, claiming doc as scum would have been terrible play.
Slandaar had much stronger posting than you early game.

[Vedith]

I think you took advantage of my slight rookie ness and thought of 2 things either 1) get me to vote rask with some reasoning ate and the fact we played before/somewhat friends or 2) thought I'd be an easier push then slan

Ok

[Vedith]

Everyone else townreading maria makes sense from their perspectives, but shouldn't you as watcher think town having both tracker and watcher is weird?

Not at all.
I mean, obviously now I know but in that time of thinking night 2 is for us to catch a scum member and the other 2 scum to lynch from correct knowledge.

Scum job in that situation is to send their scummiest looking player out for the kill (if they decide to kill)

And I already said that it's likely that at least 1 PR is lynch (or outted) before powers are used.

[Vedith]

Are you not gonna debate my points even a little?

No