Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Draynth

Because he was scum last time we played.

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Also just fyi i'm in Clash of the Mash so i'm not gonna be too overly active. But i'll be paying attention to this

WEAK.

I'm in 5 games. You need to up your game.

VOTE: IProbablySuck

For being WEAK.

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rb is manuel's scumbuddy

What a god tbh

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Now that the game is solved, how did you do it Infinity? Can you teach me pls?

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Oh wait there's 3 scum. Forgot this is mini not micro.

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You really are a god.

I can't vote Manuel he's the mafia Role Cop. Draynth is my other scumbuddy.

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Oh good, we're out of RVS now.

Infinity is Town for recignizing that the fake townslip is fake.

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I wanted to see if you'd see it because I think town infinity definitely sees that fake slip and comments on it. It's enough for me to townread you at this early stage and move on to others to get a read on them.

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I'd rather make a real vote.

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So since it's just you, me and the tumbleweeds - do you think there's any merit to any of the page 1 interactions?

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Also if you were a muffin, which flavour would you want to be?

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I wanted to see if you'd see it because I think town infinity definitely sees that fake slip and comments on it. It's enough for me to townread you at this early stage and move on to others to get a read on them.

what the what

It's amazing RVS strategy I know.

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Hey all. Only familiar with jarjar, infinity, and vaguely aristo although they're all from games I'd rather forget ever happened.

Everyone else; nice to meet you.

Inb4 your readlists are full of "null" because "I dunno dis person"

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Okay you're scary.

"hey this guy is really relaxed let's see if he's always like this"
I see you literally massacre in like your 1st newbie game as scum.

How/where did you learn how to play? You're not an alt.

I learned a little from a guy named DarthPunk from TLmafia who's played in Mafia Championships somewhere or other. He's a friend of a friend and we've played some video games together. I think you might be overrating my ability anyway, I'm not that good imo.

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Is this still RVS or are people legitimately scum-reading Naomi?

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Considering that Mafia has daytalk i think Infinity and RB could be scummbuddys trying to fake a towny conversation.

This is a scum slip town has no way of knowing scum have day talk.

Now the question is whether

this

is a faked townslip or not...

Neither because you could have missed the rule with either alignment

Right, but as scum one would already know there was daytalk, and either not question you on it, or make a big deal out of you knowing such things as a "townslip."

Thus my comment.

Neither because you could have missed the rule with either alignment.

^^ fixed version of post 71.

Don't know how that happened.

This is a weird post to me.. I don't think you could of missed the rule with either alignment as Mafia would been provided a link to the day chat somewhere, I don't think you'd been able to miss that.

Ninja 1: Cool, think you could help me get in contact? I think I could really do with some guidance.

*******FLUFF POST********

Not sure. I know on TLMafia they do "sheep" games. Basically you can play like a Hydra, except you don't play - you just get to share a PT with a player in the game, where you can ask them why they're playing how they are and they'll try and talk you through their processes and why they play that way. I've never done that though.

I think the most useful thing I did was "blind read" a bunch of Mafia Championships games. Without looking at any alignments, I would read through a completed game and try to pick scum/town based off interactions. At the end of each day I'd try to guess who was going to flip what. Then for "Night" I'd pretend I was a cop and do fake Cop checks. I'd record who I checked and then when I'd finished reading through the game I'd check to see how accurate my reads were and how effective my Cop checks were.

Also if I ever saw players whose thought patterns I could understand or I thought were the type of personality I could emulate, I'd not their name and read through their filter and maybe even dive their games on their home forum. So I guess I've become a sort of mish-mash of good players, and I just try out a bunch of stuff and keep what works for me. It makes it easy because when I run into a situation I'm not familiar with I can refer to my experiences and think, "okay well player X was in this situation and they tried to...." - I can try it myself, see what happens, see why it does or doesn't work for me and what other situations I could do it.

But I really wanna stress that I'm still very new and I'd hesitantly call myself AVERAGE at the game, not good or bad.

********END FLUFF******

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If Naomi is scum I feel like she's likely being bussed right now.

I think she's scum though based on her content so far.

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rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

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I am not ''defending'' you nor am I townreading you (you're null to me) I just don't know why everyone started scumreading you.

This is bad imo. Worried about a wagon on a null-read this early in the game?

VOTE: IPS

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I am not ''defending'' you nor am I townreading you (you're null to me) I just don't know why everyone started scumreading you.

This is bad imo. Worried about a wagon on a null-read this early in the game?

VOTE: IPS

I'm not worried about it.. I couldn't care less about her. was just saying that the wagon was rather sudden.

So you think the wagon is scum-motivated. Why would they do it? Who's the potential scum and what's the goal here?

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VOTE: IPS

WELP game solved no way I can counter this amazing case.

PEdit: Where did I say it was scum motivated? I thought it was rather sudden to start piling votes onto someone that wasn't all that scummy to begin with. Maybe it was just a dumb thing to say.

Oh my bad, it was the Manuel wagon you thought was scum.

Well, who's the potential scum?

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If Naomi is scum I feel like she's likely being bussed right now.

I think she's scum though based on her content so far.

rb, who would be the most likely busser?

bussing is when scum votes their scumbuddies.

DGB probably.

@Naomi I townread you because I think you're more likely to post what you've posted as town than as scum. I'm not explaining townreads this early in the game because that just helps scum adapt.

what changed ?

Oh lol, first quote should say "I don't think she's scum"

:/

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Amazing the difference a single word makes XD

Sorry

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Naomi which posts of Aristo do you find scummy?

Also I was in bed for your reaction test, but I was fine with a DGB vote anyway and would have joined the wagon :p

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I have to say i like your enthusiasm and starting conversations is always a good thing so keep it up.

I liked your readslist i have some reads i disagree on but i can understande them.

I get what you mean but i think its to early to really give Rem that much towncredit for that.

Which ones do you like? Be specific.

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Also it's weekend Naomi, people are usually some kind of soft V/LA on weekends so don't worry about it. I'm sure activity will pick up. If it doesn't we start lynching lurkers.

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I forgot why I was scumreading IPS tbh.

VOTE: Sladaar for reading 7 pages and not having much to add.

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Why not?

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But that's not a yes or no question LQ!

Also hi LQ!

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Because all reasoning at this point is going to be weak, since there isn't much to go on.

VOTE: Infinity

Just nope.

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I've seen people say "oh Day 1 interactions don't mean that much" exactly 8 times. 7/8 times the person saying or implying it was scum.

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And my paraphrase there generally encompasses the dismissal of early-game bad play just because early-game and so on.

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Ghost in your PC? O_O

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I'll vote you for whatever reason I want. You're not my dad!

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But in all honesty I think it's just scummy to discredit the value of early game in general. It's actually a vital part of the game and very useful to re-read because the interactions there, the scum haven't had time to adapt to what suits the particular town they're playing with. Late game scum interactions are really hard to re-read because they're all wifom. It's scumgame to devalue early game.

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I think that scumminess isn't necessarily an over time thing and you can absolutely find scum early. I think it's pretty common for scum to get early game pressure, suspicion evaporates and then they coast.

But whatever, more Infinity votes plz.

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That's...true, but that doesn't mean you can make very strong arguments for scum on page 8...

The fact that you think this theory discussion is AI is questionable...

Tbh I explained what I thought was AI:

I've seen people say "oh Day 1 interactions don't mean that much" exactly 8 times. 7/8 times the person saying or implying it was scum.

^ that's why I'm scumreading you right now.

I never said this theory discussion right now is necessarily AI. But the way you're throwing shade at me as if that's what I said is questionable...

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Yeah but you have to look at context. There isn't a particular scum motivation to saying what I said there, because I'm trying to scumhunt just as hard as if I didn't say that.

The scum you're talking about there, I assume, tried to use their statement to make excuses or ignore valid evidence. That's certainly not what I'm doing here. I'm using it to argue against IPS's reasoning which doesn't really make sense.

And of course, expression suspicion is questionable...

But are you trying to scumhunt?

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Also I remembered why I scumread IPS now. I'd also expect a savvy player to distance from him at this point. You're pretty savvy :^)

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No I was voting IPS. Do you think IPS is scum or just bad-reasoning town?

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I think it's pretty likely he's scum at this point, those reads don't seem to be genuinely trying to figure people out and his posts rub me the wrong way.

I know you were voting IPS, it's just that if me not scumhunting was the problem, there shouldn't have been a change for you when I said the statement about reasons being weak on page 8.

I never said that was the problem, I was asking you if you really were scumhunting

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I'm just being snarky

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Hey LQ, do you tend to play...goofily as town?

LQ is legit just goofy. I know him from off-site. Only seen him play 2 mafia games but I think this is just LQ being LQ and he hasn't done much to show himself as either alignment. All I know is that he's lynchbait every game he plays whether he's town or scum :/

UNVOTE: Infinity

Doesn't feel right anymore with the way the game's going.

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JarJar could be scum.

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His LAMIST accusation on Naomi, followed by quickly townreading Naomi feels fake.

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Tbh I thought Aristophanes was scum because his constant, "I'm catching up! Wow fast game!" in a game that isn't even going fast was pretty scummy. I dunno who to vote right now because no one is jumping out. Or rather, there's like 5-6 people who are playing somewhat weak, a few lurkers and then there's Naomi-tan and Infinity.

I've decided that Infinity is playing good whether he's scum or town at this point and I'm going to townread him again because in games full of weak/lurky play scum will rarely paint a target on themselves by being a strong player. Feels more like he's trying to carry town or something.

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I like 320 and 325 by Raskolnikov.

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Town: Naomi
Townlean: Rask, Infinity
Scumlean: Aristo

Rest I have to re-read/need more content. Preferably more content. I hate policy lynching but I'd rather do that than lynch a scumlean from the active player pool.

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mini 1781
micro 627

Yes first link is supposed to be http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7924457
key posts being http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7839869 + http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7842350
defending VT vs wagon.
But like man I'm actually weirded out reading aristoscum meta. Usually looking when you know alignments it's like "oh of course its so obvious" because you look from that frame of reference but in this I keep seeing things which are usually towntells ewww.

That automagical appearance tho. Aristo you don't contest any of the meta points?

Seriously am I being fucked with? I make a case on how he tends to townread easily and excessively plus buddy people as scum and he responds calling my case the most beautiful one he ever saw and helps with the broken link. Smh the irony (of course from a guy named aristophanes too)

Yes I think there's quite a few people playing a weak game atm. That's not meant as an insult to people, don't take it that way. I mean weak as in being neither readable nor pressuring others into interacting. It's probably more accurate to say their impact on the game is weak, rather than they're playing weak.

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Er, quoted wrong person.

rb what is your opinion on Naomi right now?
Also if you havent done so yet you should probably read the Iso from her last game Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)
If we exclude Naomi Infinity and you we have 10 players. We have Aristo, DGB and Darynth that can be considered lurking or not playing.
So saying 5-6 weak players means you consider almost everyone else playing somewhat weak is that correct?

Yes I think there's quite a few people playing a weak game atm. That's not meant as an insult to people, don't take it that way. I mean weak as in being neither readable nor pressuring others into interacting. It's probably more accurate to say their impact on the game is weak, rather than they're playing weak.

My opinion is that Naomi is town and I like her play.

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Oh and my other opinion is "fuck meta"

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

I'm a qualified arborist so I'll have you know that chainsawing is NAI for me.

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@Raskolnikov: In my opinion stalking ppl for activity and pointing it out as soon as you find someone that is active in other games is even more scummy.

2 things Manuel.

1. Rask basically wrote my scum meta to a T there. I didn't realize it was what I was doing, but so be it. His scumread is perfectly legitimate and natural if you ask me.

2. I dislike the shade you're throwing his way in that post. You don't ask him questions, just lob things at him that he can't really defend against. Why is that your approach here??

1) Him having a good case against you has nothing to do with what i didnt like about his approach.

2) Call it throwing shade if you want to i just stated my opinion. If you say he cant defend against that doesnt that mean you think that i am correct?

Also saying xyz is aktive in his other games could be considered as the same you are accusing me of (throwing shade you cant defend against)
Its my approach because i didnt like his approach as i stated in my post he should have contributed instead of stalikng inaktive players.

So what didn't you like about his approach again? I'm not following.

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What is your read on me rb?

Meta-town, game-scum.

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But fuck meta, you're scum.

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Actually struggling to really read anyone this game except for Naomi.

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[quote="In post 355, LicketyQuickety"][/quote]

GUTS

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But fuck meta, you're scum.

What are your reasons?

GUTS

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In my opinion activity stalking means you are looking for someone you can throw shade on.

Posting in other threads or being online doesnt necessarily mean you are lurking.
Take me for example yesterday i had the gamethread opened the whole day at work but i couldnt read anything because of meetings and other stuff.
Now take the same situation while you are active in 2 or 3 games. You want to read everything before you write a response to something at least i would want to.
That takes time now you have 3 games to catch up on and you may not manage all 3 games so instead of playing all of them halfassed you decide to concentrate on the ones further into the game.

True ppl could actually just be lurking but i like that players get replaced after their 3rd prod so i doubt ppl would deliberately get prodded just to lurk for a little longer.

Thats also why i only play one game at a time because there are days i cant manage to read at all.

Or maybe they're intending to not give lurkerscum a free pass. Lurkerscum wins a lot of games because some people go, "OHH BUT POLICY LYNCHES ARE BADDDDDD" and then you lose to some shitter not even playing. I'd rather not lose to some not-even-playing slot tyvm.

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Oi but seriously this game is absurd so far and town needs to post more.

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Yeah good meta read bro you got me.

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GG there's too many gods in this game how am I supposed to win as scum?

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I know rb off-site
QT too
I'll read and post tomorrow cya

Oh cool can't wait for some more godlike meta reads from more people who think they know me.

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Oh hey but you made good posts you can be town.

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IPS' early posts were gross. His lurking after receiving some pressure is even grosser.

VOTE: IPS

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It worries me that IPS is scumread so easily this early in Day 1.

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Naomi is scum. She broke the forum.

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Just kidding, IPS is scum ^_^

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I'm not sure how I feel about rb saying I am lynchbait now that I think about it. I mean, I use to be lynchbait, that much is absolutely certain. But I have in fact either changed my game, or people actually have a clue how to read me now. It gives me really bad feels that rb was so quick to think that is the case. He is assuming things about my game in best case. I throw a lot of theory out at rb in our last game we played together off site, so it only makes logical sense for him to put it together that I might just not be the lynch bait I use to be because I also gave several references to my experience in that game and in the Scum chat. I'm not sure I buy that he actually thinks I am lynchbait because I know rb to be a pretty bright guy and I guess I just give him credit for putting two and two together. He might be new, but he is a quick learner as said for the reason for why he was made the mod for mafia on INTPf. The short story is that he is buddying me, something I have never seen him do in a game and I think he prolly learned to do somewhere along the way. Also, there's the whole fake slip business which I'm not sure why people aren't reading him Scum for that. Its based on a reaction that is pretty easy to fake as Scum, namely, just saying "Yup, I did it on purpose." Ofc this hinges on assuming a fake slip is something he would do as Scum and I don't actually have a rock solid case for that.

VOTE: rb

Oh my god for fuck's sake can you stop just using meta it's so fucking terrible stop being terrible.

Yeah okay dude I'm buddying you when I explicitly said I scumread you. Sick detective work bro.

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and in the Scum chat

. . . Wut? You. . . am I. . . Please Explain This Line. . . I Dunno how To react until I confirm what this is.

rb and I were both Scum in our last game played together off site.

You mean a joke 9-player game with a 6:3 split, including a Dayvig, Cop and Doctor, plus where everyone could talk via PM/off-site/skype/wherever they wanted - where I didn't even bother reading the setup/rules and was just playing for shits and giggles.

Sick meta-read LQ.

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Also:

@kraska77 - why is your vote on me when you think I'm town?

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Like you said you think IPS is scum and you think I'm town but you're voting me and not IPS.

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Yeah because I play to wincon regardless. I'm not gonna throw the fucking game.

Also I didn't interact with anyone via PM in that game dickhead.

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From the point where I got the role PM in that game from PmjPmj, I PM'd literally no one. I even said this on INTPf as well as in the Spectator QuickTopic about the game.

Your meta-reads on me are absolutely fucking garbage just stop already.

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http://imgur.com/a/D2gv3

Fixed link.

Um, yeah people talked to Sinny and Cheese spoke to Sinny. How the fuck does that follow that I spoke to them? Wtf idiot?

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Yeah if you flip town this game and also in [REDACTED] I'm blacklisting you.

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http://i.imgur.com/JUecBIj.png

That's from the spectator QT where I said it as well.

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You could have deleted it just now.

Also no I wouldn't lie and/or do some shit like that.

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Yeah if you flip town this game and also in [REDACTED] I'm blacklisting you.

Where the fuck is this coming from? I have a legit read on you. There is NO excuse for that.

You're fucking outright lying about something I didn't do. Go fuck yourself idiot.

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http://i.imgur.com/wmeW6UQ.png

That's from the scumchat QT where I said it as well.

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"HEW HEW I KNOW FOR A FACT U KNEW THERE WAS OUTSIDE COMMS U GOT PMS HEW HEW GOT U"

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VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Not moving vote until LQ is gone from this game.

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http://i.imgur.com/JUecBIj.png

That's from the spectator QT where I said it as well.

Cheese talked about it though, like he mentioned that Sinny PMed him about if we RB Sinny, she is going to think Cheese is Scum. I will double check this, but I think you even commented on that.

Yep, if you're town you're getting blacklisted.

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And that post Cheese made WAS THE POST WHERE I REALISED IT.

OBVIOUSLY I FUCKING REALISED IT AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY MY SCUMBUDDY, THE POINT THAT POINT I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS OUTSIDE COMMS SO I NEVER PM'D ANYBODY.

Fuck off with your shit meta.

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*up until that point I had no idea there was outside comms so I never Pm'd anybody*

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VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Not moving vote until LQ is gone from this game.

^

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I think you're scum anyway, this could easily be chainsaw defense of IPS and on top of that I want your shit metareads out of my life.

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#VoteLicketyQuickety2016
#MakeThisGameGreatAgain

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What's your point? None of that suggests I knew anything about me knowing there's PM's or that I PM'd anyone.

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@rb, you have NEVER told me not to take info from other games off site. If that is what this is about, then I can stop doing that, but I don't want to be blacklisted for doing something that I had no idea you didn't want me to do.

I can't discuss it much because ongoing games but I know for a fact I've expressed extreme disdain at people using meta reads.

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Yeah...because my scumbuddy mentioned it. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about here?

And I don't really give a shit if you don't want to be blacklisted because I'm fucking sick of meta and people literally fucking lying/misrepping me based on meta. I sign up to mafia games to play the fucking mafia game, not to have to go and dig through previous completed games to screenshot evidence of me blatantly not doing any of the things I'm getting accused of.

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How the fuck is it not? You're basing half of your shit off of some joke game we played together and then blatantly fucking lying about things I did/didn't do or know in that game.

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God fuck off.

Vote isn't moving, I already think you're scum in this game and either way I absolutely want you out of it regardless.

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Yeah...because my scumbuddy mentioned it. Like what the actual fuck are you talking about here?

And I don't really give a shit if you don't want to be blacklisted because I'm fucking sick of meta and people literally fucking lying/misrepping me based on meta. I sign up to mafia games to play the fucking mafia game, not to have to go and dig through previous completed games to screenshot evidence of me blatantly not doing any of the things I'm getting accused of.

I hate to break this to you, but meta reads are a thing. People do this, some places more than others. If you can't handle that, maybe this isn't the game for you.

Meta reads are not a thing in the way you're doing them. Like, "oh in this 1 game u said this 1 thing so in this 1 game here u must be X alignment because that 1 thing"

Meta reads to supplement are fine. Lying about shit that goes on in other games is disgustingly fucking low. If you're gonna meta read someone and try to sort their alignment based on stuff they've done/said, have the common courtesy to actually read and understand the thing you're reading so you don't end up lying/misrepping that person. You rely so heavily on this stupid shit and do this so automatically that it's literally unbearable trying to play with you because I'm responding to shit that didn't even fucking happen.

Lynch this lying scum, thanks.

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How the fuck is it not? You're basing half of your shit off of some joke game we played together and then blatantly fucking lying about things I did/didn't do or know in that game.

I am basing my read on facts that happened and what can be reasoned out. I don't consider that a meta read. I consider a meta read something that is based on tells that someone does something as one alignment and not the other, whether that be tone or something more specific like that they only have low activity as Scum or that they always replace out of games when they are Scum or something like that.

Yeah and not a single thing you've fucking brought up has anything to do with what I do as one alignment and not another - and the thing you're bringing up is a BLATANT FUCKING LIE to boot.

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Like if you were actually doing with meta the thing you say is useful in meta, I wouldn't care. But you're not, and people rarely ever do manage to do that accurately with their meta-reads either. Very occasionally I see a meta-read that makes sense, or I can pinpoint a meta-read myself where I see multiple examples of one person doing an action as one alignment and not as another. But even then I place it into the context of the game and balance it out with how they're playing the CURRENT game.

There's literally no excuse for what you're doing now it's fucking shit.

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So LQ what's the scummy thing you're seeing that you've never seen me do as town and that you've seen me do multiple times as scum? Go ahead.

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Because now you're also lying about the way you're trying to use this meta read, to make it look like anything you've fucking said is even remotely legit.

Oh and btw, you also asked me before, "how is this a meta read?" as if it wasn't a meta read. Now you're defending the way you're using this meta read. Are you going to make up your mind on whether this is a meta read or not?

Lynch the lying scumbucket please.

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I agree. What I am doing is not really a meta read, as I have stated. The only thing I have "lied" about is not a lie because I know as well as you that you had knowledge that PM's were happening during the game. Logically it makes sense for you to say "WTF, why is Sinny sending you a PM about the game?" but you don't say that, you say, "IDK who else she could have told." So actually YOU are the one who is lying about shit, not me.

So because I don't respond in the exact way you think I should respond...I'm lying?
Maybe different people respond to things differently?

And so you understand why: my scumbuddy said they got PM'd, then I remembered that Pmj said some thing about outside talk and whatever well before the game ever started. But I never bothered reading the setup because it was just a shits and giggles game. I had no reason to go all, "WTF!" you fucking lying fuckwit.

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I agree. What I am doing is not really a meta read, as I have stated. The only thing I have "lied" about is not a lie because I know as well as you that you had knowledge that PM's were happening during the game. Logically it makes sense for you to say "WTF, why is Sinny sending you a PM about the game?" but you don't say that, you say, "IDK who else she could have told." So actually YOU are the one who is lying about shit, not me.

So because I don't respond in the exact way you think I should respond...I'm lying?
Maybe different people respond to things differently?

And so you understand why: my scumbuddy said they got PM'd, then I remembered that Pmj said some thing about outside talk and whatever well before the game ever started. But I never bothered reading the setup because it was just a shits and giggles game. I had no reason to go all, "WTF!" you fucking lying fuckwit.

Doesn't matter. you're Scum for playing dumb this game.

You're an absolute fucking moron.

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Taking all of my restraint not to say hateful shit right now.

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And no that's not game related, whether you're scum or town you're a lying piece of shit.

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You're upgraded from being blacklisted if you're town to just outright being blacklisted. There's a point where I accept scum's job is to lie and deceive, but there's also a point where I don't want to play games with people who fucking lie and misrepresent shit that's happened outside of the game being played. I don't give a fuck if you're town or not right now, this is actually fucking disgusting and you're legitimately fucking delusional.

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I didn't say I was restraining myself from saying truthful things.

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Also:

@kraska77 - why is your vote on me when you think I'm town?

Its not
I moved it

Yeah mb Marquis latest vote count had you on me at the time I posted that.

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@Naomi: don't talk less. Activity is a good thing for town and if you think someone isn't pulling their weight it's perfectly fine for town to tell other players to pick up their involvement. Just because mods only require 1-2 posts per 24 hours doesn't mean that it's good for town players to only post 1-2 times per 24 hours.

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Watching the scum cling to the townslip thing I did is just so cute. Can the 3rd scum please get on that tangent so we can lynch you all in a row? That'd be great, thanks <3

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Lol "case"

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MariaR just do yourself a favour by voting LQ with me and then ignoring further interactions.

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Oh nice, Slandaar doesn't agree with LQ's conclusion that I'm scum, but he disagrees with kraska's townread at the same time.

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Ohhhh right or you think kraska is scum. She might be but I doubt it.

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So basically you think I'm town? Or you think I'm scum? I can't follow.

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Hey MariaR can you explain the one scum between RB/Infinity thing because I'm town and I'm struggling to see Infinity scum after our interactions.

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Hey MariaR can you explain the one scum between RB/Infinity thing because I'm town and I'm struggling to see Infinity scum after our interactions.

It's not your interactions that make you guys scum I just scumread both of you but reading interactions between the 2 of you I think only 1 of you are scum if you would like me to explain why are scum read the 2 of you I can do that.

I don't really care why you scumread me but I want to know why you think we're an impossible pair?

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Hey MariaR can you explain the one scum between RB/Infinity thing because I'm town and I'm struggling to see Infinity scum after our interactions.

It's not your interactions that make you guys scum I just scumread both of you but reading interactions between the 2 of you I think only 1 of you are scum if you would like me to explain why are scum read the 2 of you I can do that.

I don't really care why you scumread me but I want to know why you think we're an impossible pair?

Where did I ever say impossible. When I read the interactions I'm pretty sure it's unlikely for you guys to be partners of course that could be false but that can also be true for any pair read.

I'm just saying If one of you flips scum i'm prob not lynching the other person.

Okay but what is it about the interactions that make you think that?

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I messed up quoting and put my vote in one of the quotes so let me cp it here and ignore it in the quote thing

This whole convo seems really natural and doesn't seem planned or forced from either side. Also

VOTE: Lickly I can't tell if you're just being close minded or you honestly think like that but re reading you're ISO you should have more votes then you do.

Okay so you think the convo is really natural but you think one of us is surely scum because you scumread both of us separately, ignoring that interaction, right?

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Well that's boring

Thought there was gonna be some earth shattering theory where I could have Infinity as basically confirmed scum since I'm town and if there's something you saw that basically just makes one of us scum, then we could just lynch Infinity for ez scum lynch.

Now I just think you're throwing pointless shade

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Dwlee is in this game?!

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Do you think this wagon has scum on it then?

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Sorry guys I got lazy

rb, can you give an example of another time you got annoyed at someone for scumreading you based on meta?

Also hi kts

I cri everytim

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I think I can pick DGB towngame by the accuracy of her reads. As far as I know she never says much but as town she reads good and lynches scum and as scum she doesn't.

Yes meta but she doesn't ever post a whole lot from my experience. I have no idea if she's sheeping me rn but I don't care because LQ is scum. Choo choo town!

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Yeah I think Slandaar vote is good.

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because LQ is scum. Choo choo town!

Lq has been all over the place in terms of reads. and butting heads with you like that is incredibly dumb if he's scum. Your 1v1 aside, I would be scumreading him if his shade-throwing on others was more focused but it's not...hes town dude
Also does this mean u like Dgb's vote on slandaar?

Yeh so he's just weakly tunneling and barely putting out content.

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KIllthestory's analysis cracks me up.

I don't think the game's still a shitfest though. Ppl can probably just skip pages 19-21. It's actually really weird for me that I have no strong reads I'd agree, but it is what it is. I have as many reads as I have, and I don't try to force myself to see what isn't there.

Also I'm not scary I swear

I generally hold the opinion that I'm good at reading people, though my reads are often distrusted because ppl think the things I see as scumtells are weird or wrong. I have a few games ongoing so can't give details but I'm definitely good at finding scum, tho I tend to get dismissed as AtE or some shit because "muh logic" and "muh cases".

Generally speaking I don't find the length or precision of a case to make you better at finding scum. Finding scum is a thing that you can do or not, and it's largely just a perception/deduction thing. The case building part is something some ppl are good at but I often find ppl who case get horribly afflicted by confbias a lot of the time.

Ppl should just sheep me to victory imo

My "lynch orders" as town are rarely wrong.

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rb is my spirit animal guys.

confirmed.

Don't buddy me.

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If Kraska is scum she's being rly bad at it so I think she's town for now because I think she's not rly bad at being scum.

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Nah I'm not sheeping that.

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Someone other than Kraska give me an opinion on the way LQ keeps saying stuff like, "well if u did X because Y then ur town otherwise the only other reason is ur scum!"

Just reads like rly bad false dichotomy and needs to be lynched asap imo.

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Looks like I accidentally went to LetsPretendToBeHighCourtJudges.com where we spend the entire game just linking other games instead of playing the one we're in.

Is KTS scummy or not? Also disclaimer I'm not supplying any games of mine. Except scum games you're all welcome to see my scum meta for the purpose of selectively finding evidence to confbias yourselves into ever deeper holes until the weight of your confbias becomes so overwhelming that not even light can escape.

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I'm not even wound bro I'm like off the spool right now.

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Okay so why do you want him to link games if you have an opinion?

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But what if he's my scumbuddy dude? I can't lynch my scumbuddy

P-edit: dunno why you keep trying to silence people who're trying to figure out the game. This is why I can't sheep you m8

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Like if you already have this strong scumread I dunno why you're trying to doubly scumread him through linking a game. Why you try so hard to look like your case is good?

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I'm trying to figure out what buttons KTS pressed.

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Ohhh he said ur scum or bad which is basically bad or bad because if ur scum ur getting scumread which is bad and if ur town ur just bad.

I think u are currently more wound than me and you should sheep me instead. Ty.

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I'm gonna go to bed now because I'm delerious and I think I'm not actually understanding wtf is going on rn

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VOTE: Slandaar

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Haha terrible vote xD!!!

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Oh holy shit Killthestory is IPS' slot? HAHAHA fuck.

Okay I can vote that but first I need Slandaar to unvote so I can votw IPS with Slandaar not voting IPS and then Slandaar votes IPS after I vote IPS so that it's technically Slandaar sheeping me and not the other way around.

Ta.

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Since I did vote IPS way back and I didn't realise he replaced in during the time I was punching on with LQ. I was first damnit.

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Hey Infinity your vote on me is the worst thing since cherry coke.

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That was rb, and it's something that was already cleared up...

You can't seriously think I'm the scummiest player in this game and worthy of that vote. Just wait for Slandaar to unvote IPS and then I'll vote him and then you can sheep me.

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I think MariaR vote is even better.

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<3

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Oi but srsly this game is fucked I can only read like 4 ppl.

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By far most confusing game of mafia I've been in so far. My scumreads are LQ/Slandaar/IPS slot. Townread on Naomi. No idea on anything else.

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Slandaar has to unvote KTS first and then I can get on.

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No it's important that I'm not sheeping Slandaar.

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I don't think DGB is scum.

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Rb what would you do if all your scumreads voted each other?

Cry.

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But really I'm just trying to read more slots atm.

Rask feels town, that's nice. DGB feels town along with Naomi.

Rask, DGB, Naomi, who do you want dead?

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Lmao the LQ case is so bad. It's literally, "in this scum game we played I saw you do a kind of similar thing and I haven't necessarily seen you do it as town"

Fucking amazing. Play 2 games with someone, suddenly they're able to sort your alignment with meta alone LOL

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If LQ is town he needs to stop being a pathetic scumhunter.

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LQ you're probs scum because all you've done is push a godawful meta read and are struggling to create any actual content. Everything's just some artificial dichotomy.

"If you did X because Y you are town, otherwise scum"

Failing to realise there's more than 1 reason for why town might say certain stuff. You're pretty much determined to throw shade and are clinging to your scumread of me despite the fact I proved you to be objectively wrong.

Either the shittest player ever or just scum. Hence why blacklisting after this game.

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LQ you're actually delusional IRL is why I'm blacklisting you.

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I wonder when the KTS counterwagon is gonna start:
?

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This KTS wagon looks like shit is the reason I don't get on it.

Aristo + Slandaar? No thanks jeff.

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Infinity you should probably not vote with LQ.

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Also LMFAO what is Manuel doing.

No wonder I can't read this game. There's more terrible votes than there are scum. Those of you that are town can u plz not?

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That's such a scummy post

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This game is actually triggering me. I swear there's like 8 scum and Marquis is just fucking with us.

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This KTS wagon looks like shit is the reason I don't get on it.

Aristo + Slandaar? No thanks jeff.

You realise aristo's vote is like RVS and therefore not actually indicative of anything right? I hate to break it to you but if you have 8 scumreads you're PROBABLY not reading the game well.

No shit.

You don't think someone keeping an RVS vote for 31 pages is bad? LOL

8 scumreads is tongue-in-cheek, but I think there's literally that many players doing shit that makes no sense/is scummy yes. Obviously I don't think they're all scum :/

FWIW I townread your slot at least :^)

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MariaR you're scumreading all of LQ, infinity, slandaar, rb and me??

MariaR you're scumreading all of LQ, infinity, slandaar, rb and me??

Less on slaander and RB but yes.

Oh so you don't have me as one of your stronger scumreads...but you put your vote on me? Thanks for telegraphing how little you actually care about your vote at least.

VOTE: MariaR

And no this isn't OMGUS, MariaR is basically all but claiming scum right now.

Everyone sheep me to victory, thx.

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Hey MariaR can you match the number to your role for me?

1. Vanilla Town
2. Town Cop
3. Mafia

Thanks in advance.

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Fuck it, I'm sticking with DGB she's the best at stuff.

VOTE: Slandaar

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2ez my trick never fails

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Sorry but DGB isn't scum and I'm not wound up.

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We could do Maria.

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Also Slandaar I'll put down whoever I want if they're scumreading people based off 1 game together that I wasn't even taking seriously. LQ is 100% scum I can basically guarantee it, but the case he's made isn't even to do with this game so other people can't see how absolutely fucking woeful it is. It's not even on this site, and you need to register to access the subforum where it was played.

So LQ is basically lying about something me, then pushing a scumread for some shit that never actually happened in some game that I played for like 8 hours.

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So he can go fuck himself because me being his top scumread is an absolute joke regardless of his alignment and it's why I cbf playing this game until he's dead.

And no, I don't let people get away with dumb shit like this if they do it to other people either. I always dismiss meta reads if they can't be properly related to the game they're being used in.

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In other words, LQ is being a disingenuous little fuck and neglecting to even play this game just obfuscating his only scumread because no one can even check what he's talking about.

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Now watch him think that he's "caught scum for wrong reasons" because he's either town and literally has a brain dysfunction and can't see how dumb that is, or he's scum and just continuing to be a lying scumbucket.

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Tbh the fact that there are people here who actually think my reads are good is givig me the spoops
This is unusual guysds!!!!!
like i always get flak in other games for basing reads on subtle things
Don't know what to make of rask and ari
Ari is an actual active lurker at this point obv
but that still doesn't change the fact that rasks case on him was unnatrurally early

And slandaar is still town >:(!!!! Get off hij
rb why not kts

If you get on LQ I'll get of Slandaar.

Regardless of alignment, LQ is the scumteam MVP right now. Needs to die.

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If you lynch LQ it stops. Otherwise it doesn't.

I have LQ as top scumread why would I not talk about it just because you dislike it? It isn't toxic to point out how utterly fucking terrible his case and his play is. I'll keep repeating it until he's lynched too.

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Yeah and when I flip town you'll either look like a lying disingenuous fuck or an actual retard.

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Yeah LQ it's "butthurt" to be annoyed at someone going offsite to a place where other ppl don't have access and then that someone lies about stuff you did as the basis of a scumread and then sits there playing innocent and everyone just lets them get away with it scotfree.

It goes beyond the game here, you're saying I'm lying IRL about shit which I don't do and I don't put up with that shit hence why I'm blacklisting you.

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If you lynch LQ it stops. Otherwise it doesn't.

I have LQ as top scumread why would I not talk about it just because you dislike it? It isn't toxic to point out how utterly fucking terrible his case and his play is. I'll keep repeating it until he's lynched too.

Yeah, and you have yet to provide a smidgen of evidence for your scum read on me.

Apart from the fact that your entire case is based on lies about something I did offsite?

And an accusation that I'm lying about something I did IRL?

All your case is, is just lying about shit and lying about me. It's fucking disgusting, I hope you realise ur going well and truly beyond this game with ur "scumread" which is why I'm angry.

I'm doubly angry because I'm not scum. But generally speaking, this is fucking deceptive behaviour IRL I'm talking about. You're going well outside the spirit of this game and lying about me as a person you fuck.

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Stop being a fucking joke of a human being and play the game of mafia, not the game of slander and lie about people IRL.

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rb doesn't have a reason to be this angry as town, he's scum caught for the wrong reasons.

I'd be fuming as either alignment rn.

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I don't doubt that, I think you would be mad as town but your more mad cause you're scum and trying to defend yourself.

I'm at like L-6 or some shit and no one is taking LQ seriously, I really wouldn't be overly mad as scum. I'd be mad but probably just get over it and blacklist LQ after.

P-edit: don't talk to me about ego you dreg LQ. You're the fucking potato who uses jokes games and lies to get your scumreads. Whether you're town or scum you're an actual joke rn.

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Lol infinitynumbers rb is a duck in general and does shitfests like this a lot

Quack!

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40 games of mafia later and LQ is still lynchbait in every game he plays, and then gets upset and fucking lies about people in response.

Who's ego is out of check here again?

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Whose*

?

Who's*

?

I don't even know. Fuck that word.

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Then I suggest you lynch LQ asap or this is not gonna end.

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Infinity I'm curious why you don't ask LQ for examples of what he sees as my scummy behaviour?

It's not a mislynch tho.

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Whether he's town or scum it's the best Day 1 lynch.

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Best way to play with LQ is to just lynch him and use his wagon for info. Maybe you get scum and maybe you don't. If he's town though he's like the scum MVP and it's possibly even better.

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Hehe, keep playing dumb and innocent.

P-edit: No I think you're scum. And I think anyone who townreads you should just lynch you anyway because you're useless at this game.

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It's a fact that I'm town. It's a fact your case is fucking AWFUL and if you're scum you're being let off for that for free and if you're town you're tying up your vote for awful reasons.

You need to be out of this game because your play is actually WORSE if you're town than scum.

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Infinity I believe it now.

I thought he might actually understand how bad his case is, rather than sit there being smug as if he actually thinks I'm scum. He's obviously too dumb for this game and if he's town he's scum MVP right now. If he's scum well he should be lynched too.

There is no alignment that LQ can be where he is helping town in this game. Therefore he dies.

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One of u 2 should replace out

I am not the one who is upset and blowing things out of proportion.

No you're just outright lying about me. That's totally fine dude.

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No replacement is needed, all we need to do is lynch a slot that's either scum or the best scum player in the game.

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This is me pkaying the game as normal. He lied not only about the game we played together, he's lying about things I did IRL.

Lynch all Liars, no?

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That's fine, and I'm not replacing.

LQ is like Titus. Regardless of alignment, they should be speedlynched Day1 if town wants to win.

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You can't seriously expect me to sit here and get lied about and then accept that the player who is knowingly lying about me, then sitting back taking shots at my reactions, is a town slot.

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I believe in lynch all liars when the liars are doing it knowingly and it's not a matter of misunderstanding.

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That's fine, and I'm not replacing.

LQ is like Titus. Regardless of alignment, they should be speedlynched Day1 if town wants to win.

Again, if you actually believed this your vote would have been on LQ from the start of the game.

No.

I've realised it DURING this game.

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There's no universe where rb is town and LQ is scum when LQ doesn't take back any part of his case or do anything else to appease rb here.

You underestimate the stupidity of LQ.

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Omg just vote LQ

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You realise even if he replaces I'm keeping vote on this slot because I scumread this slot, right?

It's a combination of LQ himself + this slot being scum. It doesn't change anything if he replaces, and I'm not replacing.