Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

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Hi everybody!

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Unvote.

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MJ... Just because Bro is confirming your FN doesn't mean they are town. If they denied it, they would be put in a 1v1 with you that they would die in anyways.

You got the order wrong. It's the other way around.

Bro is the FN?

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There's an actual neighborhood?

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Finally, all caught up.

Town:
Grib
DS
MoI
Zulfy
(Ceph)

The rest is in limbo.

I'll start properly posting tomorrow.

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But I just have to address this while it's warm.

I'm saying that it's fundamentally scummy that someone would be confused by that because there shouldn't be any ambiguity of semantics there if you know that MJ is the friendly neighbor (which you should, given how long you've been in this game)

There is an ambiguity in MJ's post though.

MJ... Just because Bro is confirming your FN doesn't mean they are town. If they denied it, they would be put in a 1v1 with you that they would die in anyways.

You got the order wrong. It's the other way around.

I'm saying that I town read BROseidon BEFORE I brought him into the neighborhood.

I mean, why would I try this with scum? Scum would sell me out.

And I don't understand how MJ read DS's post and thought that. The timing of MJ's Bro read is not in question in DS's post. So for that second post to make sense, when they refer to an order in the first post, they're referring to something that is not even in DS's post; and when they say "it's the other way around", "IT" can't possibly refer to something that is not there. The only way the first answer makes sense is if they're referring to the role order.

What did they mean with "The other way around" then? You couldn't possibly guess that they thought DS was saying they did not have a town read on Bro before they targeted him. There's nothing in DS's post that tells me that. It's reaching very far out.

And to say the only possible logical interpretation to that post is scummy is just, well, scummy.

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What's the case on DS?

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I went over to check DS's reaction to FB's guilty on Spiffeh, since some people are scum reading him for it.

Claim your damn guilty, FB. You will die anyways tonight. No scumteam would let someone who crumbed that live.

Also, I swear, if you were faking a guilty...

Also, DO NOT HAMMER


THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF BS THAT HAPPENED IN MACHINA WHERE SOMEONE HAD A "GUILTY" ON SOMEONE ELSE AND WE HAMMERED THEM IN UNDER 24 HOURS!

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL TURN OUT, BUT THAT TIME IT WAS A FUCKING GAMBIT. 2 TOWN DIED BECAUSE OF THAT BULLSHIT PLAY.

This is not a bad reaction. It is probably the most natural of the reactions I saw. Like he has said, FB is known for gambiting. There was no reason to 100% believe or deny the guilty, the only way to know if FB was telling the truth was for him to fully claim. These posts and DS's further explanation/defense of his thought process here all align with how I'd expect someone who's both played and hydra'd with FB to react.

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Have you played with him before?

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Dumb question. He was on TTH's game. Anyway, that kind of gambit falls perfectly in line with his playstyle and personality and it is really not out of this world to question a guilty result with no full claim coming from him. I mean, I'd question a claim like that form anyone, the fact that it was FB claiming the guilty makes it even more questionable.

There's no way any sane player should follow a claim like that blindly. And yet people are scum reading the only guy who stopped to think and ask for a full claim.

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Dumb question. He was on TTH's game. Anyway, that kind of gambit falls perfectly in line with his playstyle and personality and it is really not out of this world to question a guilty result with no full claim coming from him. I mean, I'd question a claim like that form anyone, the fact that it was FB claiming the guilty makes it even more questionable.

There's no way any sane player should follow a claim like that blindly. And yet people are scum reading the only guy who stopped to think and ask for a full claim.

a) wow i guess 10 of us are insane
b) no one was lynching him without a claim

I mean a full claim from Firebringer, Spiffeh had already claimed. And maybe you're not insane but you did follow a guilty claim from someone with no credibility without questioning it, that doesn't speak well of you.

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The people voting MoI, what do you think of his interactions with Imperium?

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The people voting MoI, what do you think of his interactions with Imperium?

MoI had a few mentions of Imperium earlygame, calling him out for the super not-important question of whether Tammy is 'participating' (im assuming he just meant posting in thread because otherwise it seems retarded to even ask instead of just not-important) and they had some minor interaction after that when imperium quoted several people in a row with questions/comments and MoI was one of them, and later than that they talked about their mutual scumreads on each other but never bothered actually voting one another. To me it looks most like Imperium and MoI distancing from each other with a plan to bus each other if necessary later in the game.

The only thing that gave me pause when I was going through it was this -

My problem with Imperium’s Waco case is basically Imperium – I’m having a hard time getting a Town read on Nacho’s posting and thought process. I could go through his case right now and lay out why I don’t see the points he made as compelling but I’m just going to say that I didn’t buy into it when I first read it and leave it at that. After all giving 100% of my thoughts to the thread isn’t an exercise I’m going to engage in when there are many other examples of players keeping their reasoning “close to the vest”. The Waco push looks very much to me like a “designated fall guy” push from Imperium not an honest scum-hunting effort.

It's a little harder than I'd expect for regular scum distancing, and I'd expect from this that MoI would have definitely been planning to vote Imperium on either d2 or d3 here if Imperium was still alive and there wasn't a big game shakeup that refocused everyone. And though I don't think they would have wanted to actually lynch each other that early, I can definitely see scum-MoI pushing on Imperium at that time without the expectation that a serious wagon would form on Imperium for it.

I guess I could see them distancing, but why? So early in the game, I don't think it makes much sense for two strong players like them to split the scum team like that. Imperium was being town read, some players might have been less sure about them, but drawing more attention to Imperium the way MoI did, seems like the opposite of what they should have done. It's fueling doubt when they should appease it. And after Waco's town flip, MoI would have no choice but to pursue an Imperium lynch. Unnecessarily bussing a partner on the second day of a large game does not sound like a good idea.

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Because too many people were all “Kdowns is not scum, he’s an easy lynch”.

What do you think of those players?

I was kind of in that boat for al ittle bit myself, so I don't know what to think of them.
I bet at least one scum pushed that idea forward but I am unsure who.

Kdowns was a null for me. His replacement just reeks of scum though.

How do I reek of scum?

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Vote: SnarkySnowman.

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Vote: hiplop.

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Snarky wasn't obvious scum, though. He was obvious Snarky.

I thought he was scum. Sigh.

Nacho did a good job framing him

I'm really not feeling this post.

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You can argue it was a scum derail, but it is as likely, if not more likely, that it was a town derail, because there's no way any town player would allow Snarky to reach LyLo. Scum did not have to lift a finger to lynch him.

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Why were people voting Gamma? He's probably one of my strongest town reads.

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I'm so lost I can't even find something superficial to comment on.

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Re-reading Farside's ISO, I guess I could see the slot as scum. I think the reason why I had her as town was that I hated Bro's play, but I'm coming to the realization that Bro is more likely to be town.

She didn't make great points, she had a weird stance on Waco - at one point she switched over from Bro to him, saying she thought he was more likely to be scum, later on she started town reading Waco. - Her scum read on Imperium was also rather fishy, she never tried to develop it or put any pressure on them. She had Snarky as a town read for some reason. Her scum read on kdowns doesn't sit well with me either, he was pretty lynchbaity.

Unvote.

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Zulfy is kinda difficult to read, but in the end his scum reads seem to come down to hiplop, Bro and Gamma. He changed the slot's read on kdowns to town, which is a plus and he defended DS. Hiplop and Bro reads are inherited from Farside and Gamma is someone who started to get some attention, also a read he didn't develop much, which is weird when he mentions him along Bro as possible partners.

I could see this as scum.

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You just wasted your time writing a post that is obviously wrong, you might as well waste some more and respond to Gamma.

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You just wasted your time writing a post that is obviously wrong, you might as well waste some more and respond to Gamma.

Why don't you point out what's wrong? I'd be curious what you think it is.

Unless it is that you strong Townread Gamma in which case I don't care.

I'm not gonna spoil it.

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ISO'ing MoI. This post is really confusing to me.

I regret engaging Cheetory on Snarky when he first questioned my Snarky read if only because in hindsight I probably should have given Snarky some more rope to hang himself with. But that’s out the door. 64 is not a post Town Snarky makes. His complete lack of reaction to my post on my success of reading him in the past makes sense from a scum perspective. I had called him scum but my vote was still on Diamond. Best course of action is not to “poke the bear” and maybe let my early read wash away in the obvious tidal wave of posts every Large game gets Day 1.

On top of Snarky and hiplop I’d also be satisfied with a camntsuki wagon after that weak-ass entrance. After supposedly reading 24 pages of material.

@farside

– please positive confirm or deny Diamond’s assertion in 622 that you claimed a Negative Utility role on Page 5.

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Hiplop’s reaction to my mild prodding is also makes me lean scum on him. Looks like the fake outrage Radiant Cowbells is probably the best template for this type of play on-site currently. His follow-up to it was to toss out some buzzwords (“Throw Shade, Fencesit”) and cobble together a small case to support his OMGUS which ironically is an attempt to “look busy” given he accused me of that exact fact.

But let’s address something that I think got away in the hiplop’s initial spamming –

THE FACT THAT HE SAYS THE "OH THIS BIG FIGHT IS TVT" IS REAL FUCKING BAD

Suddenly the context of your initial supposed scum play on me just changed here. Fence-sitting is not taking any position. Calling the Cheet / Fox slap-fight a Town versus Town fight would be the exact opposite of that. The fact you can’t even be sure what I am supposedly scum for doing is a sign you aren’t scum-hunting but just looking to find things you can paint as scummy.

We know I never called it TvT so this quote is a lie. Furthermore several people actually did call it TvT and you somehow didn’t bother to call them scum for it. Why is that?

eh snarky gets lynched day one like literally every game

Nope. In fact he didn’t get lynched as Town Day 1 in any of my joint games with him. Try again to dissuade a wagon on him?

It just

never feels good to lynch that snowman

Yup you did.

snarky being lynchbait is irrefutable, is what I am saying

Ooo and again.

VOTE: snarky

trusting you. Can't read the snowman

And the 180 based 100% on sheeping others when you’ve just made multiple statements about how he’s not a good lynch?

Awkward Bus Hop Engage!

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As far as negative utility roles are concerned, I'm against the idea. I have reasons, but I can't as explaining would break a rule.

I think I know where this is coming from and if so I disagree completely. But for the record … is your “breaking rules” related to your recent finished Princess Bride game? If so having a Miller or Ascetic not claim based on that game makes no sense to me.

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4. Yeah, no way. Every game will have, if not a miller, than an ascetic.

This is bad. Given your ranting in the Dead Thread and postgame of Shos’ Mini I think you need to leave set-up spec / analysis to others because you don’t seem very proficient at it.

Page 2: farside's saying "this is something my son watched" leaves me uneasy. It was a "crumb" about her flavor, even though nobody asked for it. I know it doesn't give much at all, but it still leaves me uneasy.

Why in any way, shape or form do you think it is in any way alignment indicative? This isn’t the first time you’ve floated this.

It starts with a U-turn on his Snarky read, which went from town to scum with a vote in a previous post. Then he goes on to expand his scum read on hiplop and attack him because he was defending Snarky. It's just weird.

MoI, how do you feel about this? You were right when you first started town reading Snarky, as was hiplop. How does this affect your hiplop read?

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That post does not show a Town read on Snarky ...

Why do you think that at all?

Oh. Wait. My bad. I was under the impression you were town reading Snarky in the beginning with your exchange with Cheetory (why else would you pull up past games where both of you were town?), but you were actually using your past experience with town-Snarky to give some credibility to your scum read on him. Which isn't any better.

First, you're basing a scum read on experience with town-games. You had no meta on Snarky-scum but you just assumed he wasn't town because you couldn't see it. This is a wrong approach to scumhunting and the strength of your read was not natural. If you're good at reading town-Snarky you should have given him some time, not jump right away to the conclusion that he was scum.

Second, you had enough experience to know he was lynchbait, a nice target for scum and easily lynchable. And instead of looking out for possible scum trying to push an easy mislynch you made their job easier.

It doesn't make sense.

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Anyway, he should hide with Magna.

I think if he tries to hide with anyone else, or refuse to use his ability, he should probably be lynched.

town g > scum m = he dies, we lynch Magna
town g > town m = Magna is clear
scum g > town m = Magna is still clear

I'm discarding worlds where they're scum together.

Magna should be protected, in case they're both town and the mafia kill Magna. I can protect him, but someone else should also do so because lol roleblock possibility.

Is that okay?

No.

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First, you're basing a scum read on experience with town-games. You had no meta on Snarky-scum but you just assumed he wasn't town because you couldn't see it. This is a wrong approach to scumhunting and the strength of your read was not natural. If you're good at reading town-Snarky you should have given him some time, not jump right away to the conclusion that he was scum.

See now I know you have no clue what you are talking about. Or maybe scum looking for angles. How do you think in all those other games I Town-read Snarky? It wasn’t magic. It was that I had done research into his scum games and perceived differences between those games and the games where I Town read him. So stating I have no-meta on Snarky scum is just stupid. Unless you are one of those who say “You can only have meta from games you shared” in which case I say “Nah, that’s stupid”.

The thing is, you did not use a single argument based on scum-meta. All of your arguments were some variation of "I've never seen Snarky do this as town", "Snarky town wouldn't say this", with several mentions of your previous experience with town-Snarky to support them. So if you do have scum meta on Snarky, why did you use only town meta to scum read him?

Second, you had enough experience to know he was lynchbait, a nice target for scum and easily lynchable.

And instead of looking out for possible scum trying to push an easy mislynch you made their job easier.

So what’s your point here? That if I read someone who is a VI as scum I can’t possibly push them as such because they might be Town? News flash – VI players pull scum roles too. In fact part of the contribution to a recent game both Snarky Town and I Town lost was due to having too many Vis floating around and not lynching the scum VI hiding in among the Town Vis. In fact one of the reasons BTD didn’t get lynched is for the exact same reason you are stating – he’s lynchbaity and the Day 1 heat on him read as scum pushing on an easy lynch. And so several Town players (including myself) didn’t want to lynch him Day 1 for that reason.

And the bolded is ironic since the number one protector of Snarky Day 1 was Imperium who was scum. I’m curious why you are just ignoring that fact in your little “You made it too easy for scum”.

VI's can be scum, sure, and that sucks since most can be difficult to read, but you claimed to be proficient at reading Snarky. Yet you did not put much effort into it. You put more effort into giving your read some credibility and convincing other people that Snarky was scum, than actually reading him. You barely interacted with him and you were already scum reading him. You ignored all the particularities of the slot, namely it's VI'ness and jumped right into a scum read. Nothing in your ISO tells me you tried to read Snarky or even give him a chance to show he was town, nothing. It shows a scum mindset.

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No.

Don't want Gamma to be forced to clear me if he's scum who can't actually hide perchance?

Why trade one for one, when we can get one without giving one back.

VOTE: MoI.

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The thing is, you did not use a single argument based on scum-meta. All of your arguments were some variation of "I've never seen Snarky do this as town", "Snarky town wouldn't say this", with several mentions of your previous experience with town-Snarky to support them. So if you do have scum meta on Snarky, why did you use only town meta to scum read him?

Why do you ask stupid questions? I’m serious – the inherent context of me saying “Town Snarky doesn’t make that post” is that it is in line with his scum meta.

It is NOT! Saying "I've never seen Snarky do this as town" is not the same as saying "I've seen Snarky do this as scum". The first has much less weight than the second. And I still repeat, you did not use a single Snarky scum game to support your accusations. Your whole case on him was a case for not reading him as town and all the evidence and meta was there to give credibility to your ability to read him, not to support an actual scum read.

VI's can be scum, sure, and that sucks since most can be difficult to read, but you claimed to be proficient at reading Snarky. Yet you did not put much effort into it. You put more effort into giving your read some credibility and convincing other people that Snarky was scum, than actually reading him. You barely interacted with him and you were already scum reading him. You ignored all the particularities of the slot, namely it's VI'ness and jumped right into a scum read. Nothing in your ISO tells me you tried to read Snarky or even give him a chance to show he was town, nothing. It shows a scum mindset.

This is all a case of “Snowstorm is looking for things he think he can portray as scummy”. Just like Gamma, who happens to have disappeared, has done.

Interacting with Snarky isn’t required for my reading him. Hasn’t been in any of the games where I successfully read him as Town so I’m not sure why you try to say it is required here.[/quote]

Of course you can get reads without interacting with someone, which is why I'd have expected you to take more of a backseat position in regards to Snarky instead of jumping to the front seat of the wagon. You didn't interact with him, you jumped into a read without observing much, you must really have thought you were very good at reading him.

For all this you’ve been floating I am reminded of the following –

[8] SnarkySnowman ~ Grib, hiplop, Gammagooey, Aristophanes, Spiffeh,

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, Cephrir, MagnaofIllusion

In fact the first time he appears in your ISO is when you voted for him at 3498. So it seems pretty odd that you are calling me scum for not putting effort into reading Snarky when the only post in your entire ISO that mentions him at all is your vote for him.

Seems pretty suspect for you to be calling my effort scummy in regards to Snarky when you voted him with not a single reason presented in thread.

Well, not to repeat myself, but I wasn't the one who claimed to be proficient at reading Snarky.

pedit:

@Snowstorm - I'm requoting this so you have no excuse to pretend not to read it and respond.

For all this you’ve been floating I am reminded of the following –

[8] SnarkySnowman ~ Grib, hiplop, Gammagooey, Aristophanes, Spiffeh,

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, Cephrir, MagnaofIllusion

In fact the first time he appears in your ISO is when you voted for him at 3498. So it seems pretty odd that you are calling me scum for not putting effort into reading Snarky when the only post in your entire ISO that mentions him at all is your vote for him.

Seems pretty suspect for you to be calling my effort scummy in regards to Snarky when you voted him with not a single reason presented in thread.

Do I look like I need excuses? I'm not the one discrediting its attackers at every opportunity as a defense. And because I know you're gonna insist on this, I'm going to explain my Snarky read. I didn't have one, he was a blind spot. I had several town reads and not clear scum reads. It was an acceptable lynch.

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This isn't about me, it's about you, and whatever you say about my Snarky vote does not change the fact that your Snarky push was terrible.

Let's recapitulate why:

1. You used town games as evidence to push a scum read.
2. You claimed to be proficient at reading him but you showed no signs of trying to read him.
3. You claim to have scum meta on Snarky, but you did not use it in your case against him.

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Can't really argue against a glorified "NO U".

I've made my case. Everyone is free to read it and check the facts for themselves.

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Both SnowStorm and MoI are mostly for the same reasons. They say a lot of stuff I see as good points, but the reasoning is shallow, at best, so I think they might be trying to distance themselves from other scum with their logic.

DS, what are your current reads on MoI and me?

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Both SnowStorm and MoI are mostly for the same reasons. They say a lot of stuff I see as good points, but the reasoning is shallow, at best, so I think they might be trying to distance themselves from other scum with their logic.

DS, what are your current reads on MoI and me?

*munches on popcorn*

Woah woah woah. Don't drag me into this drama. I'm just a guy who's about to get lynched. I don't matter, and don't drag me into your drama.

(Although I find it interesting that you are trying to drag me in now that my wagon has [somehow] slowed down a bit)

How interesting?

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I'm asking you for two reads. How does that make you look bad? I'm voting for MoI, which is the closest thing there is to a counter wagon right now; if I wanted you lynched I'd just vote you.

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MoI, what do you think of this reaction from DS?

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DS since you are here and posting - who are you scum reads?

I'm not going to accept "No-one will listen to me anyway" as an answer.

Actually, I left right about when you posted for class.

Well, my reads are pretty much the same. Hiplop is scum, Bro I believe is either scum or terrible town and should definitely be lynched ether way. (Additionally, this could confirm MJ). I think that, at most, there is 1 scum in MoI/Transcend/Gamma, but I'm not sure if there even is one (this is just situation analysis).

Why didn't you answer when I asked for two reads? You don't even suspect me apparently, which was the impression I got from your reply earlier.

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it's pretty obvious from my iso i think but I'd rather do hiplop than DS here if today continues looping around to the same thing that we started with

Grib (and anyone else that's around and wants to help the game be a little better) can you give me your opinion on MoI's actual play before that happens though? I know you're probably not going to vote him given his claim but I really want people to at least go over him and consider whether his actual play makes more sense as town than scum before the day ends.

If you're scum reading MoI, why do you prefer hiplop's lynch to DS's?

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VOTE: hiplop

Haha I imagine there is much cursing in the scum QT about the Vig shot and missing another kill. Love it.

And look I was dead right on Arist.

Will also lynch Snowstorm

given Kdowns scummy play.

After our interaction in the last day and my push on you, you'd vote me based on kdowns's play?

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It occurs to me that my memory of SnowStorm was as someone I had a hard time mislynching because even though his posts weren't always stellar, they WERE always town

That's not here

Well, you were scum trying to mislynch me and I was town trying to lynch you; so ofc I was town. You're biased.

Oh and I still am hard to mislynch.

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VOTE: hiplop

Haha I imagine there is much cursing in the scum QT about the Vig shot and missing another kill. Love it.

And look I was dead right on Arist.

Will also lynch Snowstorm

given Kdowns scummy play.

After our interaction in the last day and my push on you, you'd vote me based on kdowns's play?

you are confirm scum.

Try harder.

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I hid behind Transcend last night.

Need to check over some more stuff tonight but MoI actually looks pretty good from the Aris stuff I skimmed in his iso and his play did actually get better late yesterday (though I still think him only doing it when he finally had some suspicion fall on him is godamn horrific).

This seems like the best vote atm
VOTE: SnowStorm

Explain.

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Vote Count 4.01

[5] SnowStorm ~ Firebringer, Cephrir, Gammagooey, BROseidon, MagnaofIllusion
[2] hiplop ~ Zulfy, Medical Junkies
[1] Gammagooey ~ Transcend

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2016-10-02 14:00:00).

This is just retarded.

We finally have DS's town flip, plus we got another scum flip. Only a couple of people seem to have digested this new info, the rest is just going with the flow, doing nothing. I don't blame them, the day just started! But, I do blame the ones who on top of that are agreeing with lynching someone with 12 days left in the day.

There's scum in that wagon, I'm gonna find them and I'm gonna lynch them.

BTW, my slot has already claimed. I'm Buttercup, VT.

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prod-dodge. Need more time to read some more ISO's.

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Can you read my/gamma's ISO with the mindset that I am town now?

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And you did well then, but now you're just undoing it. You've seen that I'm town before and you'll see it now too.

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Gamma's play towards my slot just doesn't make sense from a partner perspective and his vote on me yesterday makes it obvious. I was one of the few people town reading him, I was with him against MoI and the next day he joins my wagon and town reads MoI. It's scum going for an easier mislynch on a scummier looking slot.

Anyway, I don't want to waste too much time defending myself. I know I can catch scum and that's what I'll focus on. Especially now that there's no chance of anyone but you being a SK. The game is just looking so much easier.

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VOTE: SnowStorm

I would say GG, but I think that tacitly implies that I did something to help achieve it.

Do you seriously believe lynching me will end the game?

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Who will you lynch after I flip town?

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I am Cassie from Dragon Tales, a Odd Night Role Cop.
Night 1 Spiffeh, Night 3 was Snowstorm.
Both vanilla.

You confirmed kdown's claim and you kept going after me?...

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Cephrir has one of the worst voting histories in this game.

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voting histories being "bad" is a nonexistant thing that was made up. it is not possible for them to be bad unless they mismatch with a player's stated reads

FB's role makes sense as scum too imo.

If the reads are bad, the votes are bad. If the bad reads and bad votes have contributed to several mislynches, that's too bad.

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It feels easy because those posts are like a "how not to mafia". To scum read me you have to assume I'm that bad. Which I'm not.

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Yeah. MoI you down with this?

SnowStorm I don't think you're bad. I don't think kdowns is bad either. I just think you both made a few questionable posts.

Those questionable posts would be straight up newbie mistakes. In this situation there's no way a scum in my position would have tied himself to Gamma the way I did.

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ye snow's either goon or vt.

i suppose we can flip someone else, but i'd feel bad lynching anyone here and them flipping town.

PEDIT: kdowns is not a newbie. I faintly remember playing with him a few times in 2011.

I'm talking about my posts, the ones you quoted.

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But, I guess I could be talking about kdowns's too, because they're the kind of bad that wouldn't come from scum.

You're mistaking a bad town game for bad scum play.

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One of Cephrir/Firebringer sounds right.

If not, then one of Zulfy/Bro.

I'm leaning towards Cephrir. His play has been bad and he has a big presence in the game. He's been skating by, placing rather hollow votes and he has impacted the game for the worse.

[SnowStorm]

Yay, we win. Good job Transcend.

Thank you Faraday and KittyMo, the flavor was fun and a lot of the vote counts had me going "OMG, [insert kids tv show here]!".