Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

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Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air."

I begged and pleaded with her day after day
But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way
She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket.
I put my Walkman on and said, "I might as well kick it."

First class, yo, this is bad
Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass.
Is this what the people of Bel-Air living like?
Hmm, this might be alright.

But wait I hear they're prissy, bourgeois, all that
Is this the type of place that they just send this cool cat?
I don't think so
I'll see when I get there
I hope they're prepared for the prince of Bel-Air

Well, the plane landed and when I came out
There was a dude who looked like a cop standing there with my name out
I ain't trying to get arrested yet
I just got here
I sprang with the quickness like lightning, disappeared

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air

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prod dodge

Foreshadowing?

Snarky is unfortunately, no stranger to being prodded, being inactive and well, not being pro-town in helpfulness.

-K.

What was this post supposed to be doing if it wasn't supposed to be laying groundwork for future expectations of Snarky's play?

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Vote: DiamondSentinel

Why are you asking negative utility roles to out when it's a part of the meta that you want to change?

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Look at all these relics.
Hahahahahaha.

Hi Cheetory!

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you did it!!!

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Will probably be up to a more normal activity level on Monday, but don't foresee making any significant posts until then.
I might surprise myself, though.

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i am a very sick boy.
i will be catching up when i am less sick, but now i am mostly starting from scratch.

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Vote: Medical Junkies

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shes doing a lot of "im skimming" posts but the ones that are there also look real bad to me

im in a sort of internal struggle between very likely scum-snarky that I can't read and someone I'm sorta confident in ya know

i do not know a single person that can read snarky
i do know many people who have been convinced that this is the moment that they can, that this is the time they finally can stare into snarky's soul and expose him as scum
it doesn't work out

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and i think this is the only player that i've played with that this holds true for
if i have a bunch of townreads elsewhere that i feel good about then sure it's snarky time but otherwise probably not, regardless of case

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i'm sort of sad that ds shifted from fake back to ridiculously obnoxious again
am no idea why "negative utility roles" are still a thing that is being talked about 30 pages later. ds?

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and i think this is the only player that i've played with that this holds true for
if i have a bunch of townreads elsewhere that i feel good about then sure it's snarky time but otherwise probably not, regardless of case

Can you read me, Nacho/Tammy (I don't know which one this is). I don't think you can. Very few can read me consistently.

this is something that many people have also said before
it doesn't often hold true, though

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Also cited like 3 games where I did that as town

There's a difference between promising a catch-up and then not delivering and saying you're caught up -x number of pages when you're not.
There's also a difference between that and feigning outrage when you get called out on it.
If you'd come back to the game and been like "eh sorry yeah I did miss things during my catch-up" then I would maybe be re-evaluating, but you're literally digging your heels in and selectively throwing shade and it just feels dishonest.

last time i played with snarky he said he read the whole game in about 17 minutes and then showed a complete lack of awareness on the rest of the game except for ~5 posts before his readslist
he was town town town

and yeah i can get that him lying about something like this and then when being called out on lying digging his heels in and being more ridiculous is frustrating, but, again, i don't think it's particularly alignment indicative because it's snarky. there's plenty of room for you on this michael jordan wagon, though.

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i'm sort of sad that ds shifted from fake back to ridiculously obnoxious again
am no idea why "negative utility roles" are still a thing that is being talked about 30 pages later. ds?

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Cats is very much a scum tell.
Camn is typically an instant town read.
Mj wagon again....man.
Let's do something different for a moment.

Vote: camntuski

again? what happened to it the first time?

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dont worry i can read nacho

hmmm.

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I’m starting to question if Fox’s read on Camnt is colored by personal like for the individual heads or colored by knowing they aren’t a partner so assuming them to be Town …

no

it's based on seeing them be lynchbait before and a good healthy dose of skepticism i've picked up over the pretty long amount of time playing this game.

but i see you're so far up your own ass that you apparently assume disagreement with your BULLETPROOF, SUPER AWESOME, BONER-INDUCING case HAS to be whiteknighting so i guess there goes any chances of having a reasonable conversation w you

well this is a strong move towards a reasonable conversation...

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It's almost like the joke will be on you when we are confirmed town come the following day!

~M

okay.

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Please replace me

you will be missed.

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Oh yes. This has been the general trend of conversation, Imperium.

who is your current pick for scum?

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I'm keeping my vote for Snarky because I can see him scum too. Ya'know at least 60% of my read from him is scum.

why do you think that he is scum?

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Also the Snarky wagon dissipating on Nachos cute but irrelevant “Oh, no-one can read him” tale I think will be a great place to start looking for bussers who hopped at the first sign of an easy exit.

@Imperium – why are you ignoring my question about Tammy’s participation in the hydra?

My cute but irrelevant tale is why I personally am not voting him at this point in time; I've also responded to your case and where I felt it went wrong, so if you're looking to actually talk why you think that Snarky is scum with me, I'd recommend that as a good jumping off point.

I didn't ignore your question about Tammy's participation; if the question is "why hasn't she posted yet?" she hasn't participated yet because she is also sick and starting her new semester next week, and thus her priorities lie there.

Can we hurry up and lynch this kid. I could really use a new day.

This is suspicious. Wanting to lynch this "kid" means that you can have another day OR maybe avoid this lynch so that you can kill this night huh?

Neither.

It's so that we can get out of fucking day 1. I hate D1 with a fiery passion. It's 100% speculation.

I'd argue that your posts have been mostly speculation and nothing but and I expected a bit more from you by now, but I suppose I don't actually remember playing a game with you from the start, so meh.

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Vote: Waco Kid

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You played Machina mafia with me.

And you should recognize that my behavior lines up almost exactly with that game.

i don't remember your behavior from Machina, all I remember is a townread that I don't really have here although that could be in part to not really reading the entire day. I don't think that your scumhunting has been anything impressive or memorable (your vote on camntsuki is a holdover from RVS, right?), you've been quick to chime in on useless conversations but nothing that seems like it could possibly be going anywhere. I'm willing to give you time since the paranoia will inevitably set in if you're town.

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Can we not plunge this game into the depths of toxicity?

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Eh.

Pass.

if i was being completely honest with you my reasons for voting are mostly just a case of the underwhelmings
i will work to pretty up that case in a minute though <3

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ur a nerd nacho

thanks!
you too!

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I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

i also can never see this leading us anywhere that doesn't suck

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Meanwhile, why do you think that they're doing it as scum?

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ur a nerd nacho

thanks!
you too!

im trying to make it more toxic why wont you let me, smelly!!@!!

you smell nice too friend <3

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Bluffing.

Considering a good deal of their wagon is based on "claiming too early" (at least from what I can see), I'm not sure that they think the self-voting and asking people to lynch them is the best way to derail.

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sorry nacho... it's already there. I don't even know why, but it rubbed me wrong from the beginning...and I'm the NICE one!

If the game's reached a level of toxicity where the game is no longer enjoyable, better to replace out or power lurk, take some time off; no reason to actively push for a lynch that hurts the town.

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Can we not plunge this game into the depths of toxicity?

nacho,

i know you probably mean well

but this isn't really helping

if you have a better approach, go for it.
if there's a reason my approach is bothering you, let me know.

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Bluffing.

Considering a good deal of their wagon is based on "claiming too early" (at least from what I can see), I'm not sure that they think the self-voting and asking people to lynch them is the best way to derail.

also as a followup to this; self-voting and pushing their own wagon is not at all outside their townrange, they self-voted in The Amazing World of Gumball as well if my memory isn't failing me right now

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Ok. That self-vote deserves a lynch with fire.


Town should NEVER EVER SELF VOTE.

should never =/= don't ever

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if you have a better approach, go for it.
if there's a reason my approach is bothering you, let me know.

it's not bothering me...

fine, i was a little bit of an asshole to moi, but i wasn't just being toxic for the sake of being toxic. my overall point that moi either: is associating me with a position that i really don't have and/or thinks WAY too much of the camntsuki case still stands

i dont know how to finish this post. i'll just walk away for a while.

my most recent post related to gamestate wasn't directed to you, was directed at the "eat a bag of dicks" post.

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Reread a few things.

Vote kdowns

His reason for voting reads a bit more wordy then is needed.

I concur, although I read it a bit differently. 1) I kinda felt like he was just trying to find a reason that sounded different to make the vote, and 2) He really took a narrow view on the question, in a way that kinda shut down further discussion than encouraged.

VOTE: kdowns

p-edit: What does != x mean?

VOTE: Cephrir

Totally scum over there.

NU roles?

I mean I got a character from when I was a kid and that was a really long time ago.

Also I didn't know that we revealed NU roles, then again I've been gone a couple of years.

NU is a new acronym to me...

@Kdowns, thoughts on Diamond and Grib?

DS, threw me off at first with trying to get people to out NU roles but later says that we have no Night Actions or Role claims to even begin to attempt to grab any discussion. Which in my head is throwing off red flags because why as early as Day 1 do we need to have anyone make any claims to even begin discussion on who is scummy or not. Just DS' general actions so far in this game are reading more Scum than anything. Especially after getting on to Grib for not wanting to RVS and then claiming to be Facetous after people start to get onto him.

Grib, from what I've read so far just seems to be defending himself from DS' attacks onto him for not wanting to RVS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DS

To be fair, I was asked my opinions on the situation of DS and Grib and I gave it no strings attatched, if it seemed like it was just ramble ramble. I'm sorry because I was giving my straight forward opinion on it. I did exactly what I was asked and now I have three people that jumped on me, which is funny but weird.

If you really wanted to discuss about it, I'm sure you guys can pull something out of it besides of the votes for me because of my "words words words"

Jesus Christ we are two days into the game and you're singling me out when there are people who haven't even posted in the game. I'm playing the game, I'm participating, what the hell do you expect me to do come up with the entire mafia team after two days of complete bullshitting in the threads?

This is your entire Iso, you have:
1 RVS vote
3 null terminology + flavor posts
1 answer to my question
1 soft defense/deflection after taking pressure about said answer
1 angry response because I'm pressing you further

Which confirms as I said above: The only time you've done anything to really get involving in scum-hunting at all was when I prompted you.

No I don't expect you to solve the game at this point. But I do expect to see you show some process as to how you are going to try to.

this seems like a ridiculously overblown case on someone for "lurking, being underwhelming". while i can see scum dressing up the case this badly to legitimize a vote that could otherwise being opportunistic, i have trouble seeing town go about such a basic case this way unless they tend towards overexplaining which doesn't seem like it's the case from the rest of his ISO

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snarky being lynchbait is irrefutable, is what I am saying

VOTE: snarky

trusting you. Can't read the snowman

This was a heck of a switch by hiplop

points out the hiplop/snarky thing after three other people mention it then points to a bunch of quotes that actually don't look like defending

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Dear townies.

This game is already intolerable, and it's only day 1.
Please, for Cheetory, lets purge.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GRIB

tbf Grib I've considered doing the same to get you and DS out of this game, and I've never seriously pushed a PL before.

Like, you're both being intentionally disruptive. With DS, IIRC I think he just is like that, but with you I don't have that context so...

tbf katsuki powerlurking is par for the curse.

VOTE: grib

Define "disruptive."

drowning the thread with massive volume that doesn't actually say that much

FFS you can't all be scum, right?

VOTE: camntsuki

i also have no idea what the hell this is about; he notes three different people mentioning that grib is disruptive, notes they probably all aren't scum together (meaning the premise of the tell is fucked), then... votes camntsuki (who happened to pick up a few votes before then). why?

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I'm going to let you guys have your fun for the rest of the day. I will only vote to hammer (so don't take someone to L-1 if you don't want them dead).

Why? Tbh I don't even trust you to be the one to Hammer.


Also tbh I am reading Hip town. Then again last time I played with Hip was years ago.

also gotta say i'm liking this kdowns post

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so tl;dr for grib is that Waco oversold a case based on "no content" pretty hard, then proceeded to float around and not do shit except take the occasional Town Approved(tm) potshot on popular sentiments. I don't think that his camntsuki vote actually makes any sense and would be surprised if you did either.

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Also, camntsuki, the only response I have to you continuing to call me scum for literally no reason when I am honest to god trying to ENGAGE you in a GAME that hinges on GATHERING INFORMATION is

I'm not really sure what you're expecting to get out of your interactions with camntsuki; could you quote an interaction where you believe that you engaged them on good faith and they ignored them unfairly?

Because it's easy to accuse someone of being scum and throwing out a few loaded questions here and there, but actually attempting to engage like you're pretending to do is a bit more complicated than what I remember from you, but hey, I'm not the most well-read person in this thread, so it shouldn't be overly difficult to prove me wrong if I'm missing something here.

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I come back after 24 hours and there's wagons on two of my town reads?

Ugh I hate you all. Time to actually read shit.

Waco is a town read?
I can understand ~

not feeling it

~, but a townread seems like something that should be a bit more tangible.

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I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

Can you talk to me about why you would do this as town?

Can anyone talk to me about why we aren't lynching this?

He's pushed plenty of lines that I don't agree with, but self-righteous indignation drips from every post that he makes.
Not sure if Fox asking you what the meat of the case on him was happened in the future or the past, but if it happened in the past then I'm seconding that question.

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Imp: I'm curious what your scum reads are besides mj and waco.

I'm not the biggest fan of DS because he still hasn't done anything that I have to squint to see coming from as scum; his latest pursuits (BRO, you need to post more so people can read you!) have impressed me as in I have no idea how someone could be active as DS is, but still have absolutely no investment in the day itself. I liked his accusation of key because it seemed better than the rest of his posting combined, but I'd be a lot happier with the slot if the rest of his posting looked like that.

Also not sure about Magna; I remember skimming that he had a response to us more recently and I'll probably have a clearer view there but I think he's getting bogged down in dislike of different players and their treatment of him (which is reasonable enough, okay), but the conviction on them being scum isn't there to the degree it's been in literally every interaction I've had with Magna ever.

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Some of this is more me bitching about camntsuki's refusal to elaborate on anything, but it's the same sentiment, I think.

As engaging? I don't really think so.
My point is that most of your attempts to engage with camntsuki are in reality slinging shit at them; the one fair question they answered but things like "you're making it impossible to read you!" aren't going to get a productive response from anyone 99% of the time and "your catchup gives us nothing" is not exactly the start to a beautiful mutually beneficial relationship.

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Imp: I'm curious what your scum reads are besides mj and waco.

I'm not the biggest fan of DS because he still hasn't done anything that I have to squint to see coming from as scum; his latest pursuits (BRO, you need to post more so people can read you!) have impressed me as in I have no idea how someone could be active as DS is, but still have absolutely no investment in the day itself. I liked his accusation of key because it seemed better than the rest of his posting combined, but I'd be a lot happier with the slot if the rest of his posting looked like that.

Also not sure about Magna; I remember skimming that he had a response to us more recently and I'll probably have a clearer view there but I think he's getting bogged down in dislike of different players and their treatment of him (which is reasonable enough, okay), but the conviction on them being scum isn't there to the degree it's been in literally every interaction I've had with Magna ever.

but if your question was more "who are you willing to lynch?" my answer is still most of the game. I don't at all mind BRO's or camntsuki's mindset of thinning down the game a bit before making a more concentrated effort to gamesolve, but my preferred lynches are more people like Waco or any of the lurkers that both fail to produce or fail to anything that looks vaguely town to latch onto.

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Because I am 60% scum reading him.

...I was hoping more that I could get an answer for why you were 60% scumreading him...

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How long has this day been going on for @Diamond

Waco vote sucks and has "easy nacho scapegoat" written all over it.

This sounds like someone with familiarity with my play.
Do you know me? Do you hate the wagon just because it feels easy? Or do you hate the wagon because of something you see in Waco's posts?

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Frankly I don’t think there is much to discuss. You basically asserted that no-one was able to read Snarky successfully. And a whole bunch of Null to Scum players took that ball and ran with it. Suffice it to say I disagree with you but the horse is out of the barn and I’m not going to waste time trying to convince you that my opinion holds merit when you’ve clearly made up your mind given the evidence I already laid out.

And yeah – you did ignore it ipso facto when there was not comment 1 made about it. I don’t know fact 1 about Tammy’s off board life and it feels like I was somehow expected to have some psychic power to be able to derive those facts given the lack of response.

Your case on Snarky seems to be that he didn't respond to you saying that you could read him successfully.
I don't think this is a significant case based on Snarky's lack of reading comprehension which he demonstrated quite soundly in Near Vanilla.
Do you have a rebuttal to that?

I didn't intentionally ignore your comment.

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Lmao my slot has a sweeping posting history
I'll be back when I've read 20 or more pages
Not today though bc I'm busy

not a great start here

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I’m not sure why you think a claimed VT who isn’t scum-hunting but chronically buddying and keep s waffling between “Oh we want this pain to be over” and “You can’t get me lynched” is a lynch that hurts Town.

Why is claiming VT early scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is chronically buddying scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is the vacillating between "we want this pain to be over" and "you can't get me lynched" scummy? Because it is bad.

Camntsuki certainly hasn't been breaking the door down with advanced reads and reasoning, but it's not like they are gleefully doing nothing at all, and it's not like I expect either head struggles horribly with giving reads + reasoning as scum so that in and of itself isn't a red flag for me.

I don't really see scum motivation in the early VT claim; you can say that they're appealing to AtE meta or whatever but this is well within their townrange and the obvious risk of drawing the hate of most players in the game doesn't really seem to outweigh the reward of appealing to the me/BRO/Cephrir/Fox group of players.

The buddying that they've done doesn't surprise me and is an expectation regardless of alignment. They buddy a lot.

The contradiction between "we want this pain to be over" and "you don't have the votes" also doesn't really bother me at all; in the same vein, I'm not really bothered by people who say they're giving up in thread and keep fighting. Sometimes you're annoyed with the game and you want to die, sometimes you're annoyed with a player and you talk shit to them.

And no, I don't really expect you to agree with these viewpoints, but I think you know me well enough by now to know that I'm not following onto a lynch just because the person in question is playing antitown.

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"blah blah where's the scum motivation" is a junk question. I can't explain why scum would play like they are, but it makes LESS sense to me coming from town.

If you can't understand why someone would do something as scum OR as town, then there's a pretty high chance that you just don't understand their play at all.

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Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

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Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

Why does it matter?

It doesn't.

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so whats the smoking gun here?

There isn't one? Like, I'm not going to go through every post and explain why it's coming from scum. One, I'm too lazy, and two, it's disingenuous to say that every single post, or even single posts at all, are strong evidence for someone being scum. It's a wholistic thing with his behavior.

Do you have a case beyond "he's just pushing stupid shit" or do you have a rebuttal for the feeling that he believes the stuff that he's peddling or...?

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It doesn't.

Okay, so want to give me sums?

Not particularly, no.

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probably should read pedits huh

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It's the consistent "honing in on the wrong things" from farside that makes me think he's scum.

wait is this a reason for a farside suspicion or a reason for a grib suspicion?

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It's the consistent "honing in on the wrong things" from farside that makes me think he's scum.

wait is this a reason for a farside suspicion or a reason for a grib suspicion?

Farside.

Continuity with the previous post pls

farside = she

previous question still stands then

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It doesn't.

Okay, so want to give me sums?

Not particularly, no.

You are rude:
VOTE: Imperium

i also haven't read the game in full
blind leading the blind is typically a dumb idea
i've never seen a scenario where someone giving someone else a summary of the game helped them perform better in any way shape or form

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I come back after 24 hours and there's wagons on two of my town reads?

Ugh I hate you all. Time to actually read shit.

Waco is a town read?
I can understand ~

not feeling it

~, but a townread seems like something that should be a bit more tangible.

My gut on his first few posts was "seems pretty town." Not very strong, but I'd rather go like 5 different places today.

which 5 places?

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so whats the smoking gun here?

There isn't one? Like, I'm not going to go through every post and explain why it's coming from scum. One, I'm too lazy, and two, it's disingenuous to say that every single post, or even single posts at all, are strong evidence for someone being scum. It's a wholistic thing with his behavior.

Do you have a case beyond "he's just pushing stupid shit" or do you have a rebuttal for the feeling that he believes the stuff that he's peddling or...?

this is the previous question btw

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come to waco.
many of us feel similarly.

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Do you have a similar view on MoI?

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Frankly I can't agree that this is good for Town in any way. Especially the bolded. You've been around long enough to know that the first players to go in Large games are competent Town. Your proposal effectively says "Yeh, I don't really want to try to solve the game yet. Let's give scum free reign to kill of the players who might have a clue early" and I don't for a second think Town Nacho would believe this is smart.

In fact it makes me feel that the Waco case you presented earlier is just window dressing for a policy lynch on your part.

Equating "I don't mind thinning out the herd early" with "Nacho is pushing a policy lynch" is completely misunderstanding my mindset; Day 1 is a Day when I would rather lynch someone who is underwhelming and scummy as opposed to someone that's shown an emotional investment and has a chance to turn their slot into something other than a mislynch. I am more willing to lynch players who are underwhelming and scummy than I am willing to lynch players who are fairly active and questionable; the first players to go in a Large game are competent town, but terrible mislynches happen early game (when there's not enough information to work with) or late game (when the competent players are dead).

It's less about "giving scum free reign and lynching a player because of who they are" and more about minimizing risks and giving people who are demonstrating emotional investment a little more space which they very much deserve.

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I'm pretty caught up.

Vote: camntuski

Why?
Why are you ignoring camn's posts directed towards you?

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It's been maybe a year since I played with the imp hydra.
The last game I played with imp, they were active, trying to figure players pit, asking question, extra.
They came in with strange reads and very little interaction just to push mj and now Waco.

1) We were scum in the game you are referencing.
2) What do you find strange about my reads? I also think that it's weird that you're viewing our play in general as "inactive, very little interaction", considering we've made plenty of posts every day since we've been actually able to post, were you expecting more?

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I'm pretty caught up.

Vote: camntuski

Why?
Why are you ignoring camn's posts directed towards you?

I'm not.
Why are you ignoring bro's gaps in logic and cherry pick post to create a scum read?

I saw BRO's reasoning but I didn't catch the context and didn't feel like checking so it was meaningless to me.
The ignoring posts from camn were the ones referencing slumber parties, I'll go back and dig them up to make sure that I wasn't seeing things that weren't there.

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I'm honestly lost at this very moment. I also want to vote Camntsuki, but I get the feeling Mala doesn't, so I'll double check with her.

What are your thoughts on this Waco wagon all the cool kids are talking about?

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I just lost a mafia game, can someone hug me?

I'm sorry to hear that.
If it makes you feel any better, I just won two; so if you're town, you're in good hands.

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everyone just hug each other and smile and be happy

happy

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Welcome to the game Spiffeh! I am excited to play with you this game, I hope we

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don't fuck everything up like (I) did in Gumball!

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Tsk. I don't even believe Waco at this point.. Who knows if the cookie monster is scum. Doesn't sound like a town name

what do you mean by "town name"?

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do you know who the cookie monster is?

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all he does is chill and eat cookies
he has googly eyes
anything with googly eyes is not hostile approximately 100% of the time

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So does that mean we will exclude that he's a mafia because he has the Cookie Monster name and because he's chilling and eating cookies for his stupid life.

So does that mean we will exclude that he's a mafia because he has the Cookie Monster name and because he's chilling and eating cookies for his stupid life.

Actually it has a lot more to do with the fact I have a provable role, but hey

no and no
waco, could you keep expanding on things please?

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also while you're expanding on reads could you explain what that camntsuki read was about?

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waco was hoping you would expand on other reads that weren't fox

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@Farside:

These are some examples of DS posts that I was talking about in that paragraph on him.

@MoI

Setup speculation typically works well. Shos' game was an entirely different situation (and still bullshit. It was borderline bastard. "You are unable to be killed [except by these sources which you have no idea about]". There's a difference between swingy and lying to people)

Additionally, there are a variety of situations that Farside's claim could turn up badly. One that I'm thinking of is a ludicrous claim that she then points back to it and says "see, I was already talking about it from day 1" (I don't know exactly how it would work. I'm quite terrible at lying or figuring out ways in which someone would lie in some made-up, hypothetical situation)

This is talking about you (who claimed you had a flavor that might be contrary to expectations). As scum, I don't think it takes an extraordinary amount of effort to talk about how maybe your Negative Utility Claim that wasn't a negative utility claim at all (but if there's an expectation for him to be active I can see him filling up his posts with stuff like this), whereas I don't understand why he's talking about it now as town when he's continually reminded us that he will be alive Day 3/4 (and thus isn't worried about dying before rooting this out).

Man, this wagon really doesn't have any resistance.

And hadn't it popped up in like two days?

We need a counter wagon...

This is an extraordinarily weak resistance to a wagon that wasn't particularly driven in the first place; the picture that I have in my mind when reading this post is the Snarky wagon being a small child pushing around one of those toy mowers with the plastic balls bouncing around and DiamondSentinel being a drunk parent on the front lawn mumbling something unintelligible to himself before passing out yet again, and is a good example of what I mean by "active, present, but not really giving a fuck". He's around. He's commenting on it. But it's pretty clear to me that it doesn't care.

and i think this is the only player that i've played with that this holds true for
if i have a bunch of townreads elsewhere that i feel good about then sure it's snarky time but otherwise probably not, regardless of case

Can you read me, Nacho/Tammy (I don't know which one this is). I don't think you can. Very few can read me consistently.

And then instead of commenting on the Snarky wagon, DS just wants to know whether we can read him or not.
Who cares? What does this have to do with anything going on in the thread right now?

Yeah, time to start playing. You've had a slight issue with this in both games I've been in with you (and I don't really care about your excuse for it)

I mean, I am playing?

"You don't play mafia the way I think everyone should play it, therefore you aren't playing it."

You know what happens when everyone spams up the thread with incoherent walls of shit? The game becomes massively unfun.

So I'll leave that to you while I both don't shit up the thread and end up with better reads than you (assuming you are, in fact, town, which I'm not particularly compelled to believe at this point).

Actually, I was more talking about how you have an issue with lurking. Not like PV does. But still, it's an issue at times (again, don't care about the reasons)

I'm not sure whether to respond with condescending snark or actual content, so you get both.

1) And I'm still a better player than you. What does that say about your spamming up the thread every fucking game
2) A certain portion of the game needs to lurk at various parts of the game, especially in a large. Lurking with 5-7 people left? Yeah, problem. Lurking because it's day 1 of a large game and people are spamming everywhere and you want day 1 to not hit 100 pages

again

? Correct.

Not to mention contextual lurking based on PR-play and mixups for PR play, but I don't really think you have the nuance to employ those tactics so I'll leave it at that.

I thought you said you were going to be snarky. Not facetious. The fact that you would put 2 completely different playstyles up beside each other and said objectively that one is better than the other is ridiculous. I won't get into why it's ridiculous now, but expect a nice long rant post-game.

Also, you lurking will not stop a game from reaching 100 pages on its own. If it's going to reach that far, then give content so that people can actually read you. Cool? Cool.

This is the "BRO, produce content so I can read you!" post. It was a strange post for him to make because while he has been posting a lot, sure, but actual content or even questioning that he's produced has been pretty close to absent.

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You didn't dislike Snarky before that?

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OK. Keep elaborating on reads!

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These are some examples of things that bothered me about MoI:

Also the Snarky wagon dissipating on Nachos cute but irrelevant “Oh, no-one can read him” tale I think will be a great place to start looking for bussers who hopped at the first sign of an easy exit.

I thought it was weird that Magna commented that the wagon on Snarky dissipated but didn't actually try to stop the push against it; he framed the wagon dissipating as "welp, Nacho said that he didn't think no one could read him and thus he became unlynchable". I didn't understand why he moved from the camntsuki wagon from the Snarky wagon when he was pushing that he did know how to read Snarky well and he did legitimately feel that Snarky was scum while the camntsuki push looked more like this:

Dear townies.

This game is already intolerable, and it's only day 1.
Please, for Cheetory, lets purge.

Agreed.

VOTE: Camnt

People who "project town" end up dead, mostly. And most endgames are a bunch of lurkertown and a bunch of scumzors, and the games suck and scum win.

Complains about how it is Pro-scum to not “project Town”. Proudly states it is what they are doing.

Lynch away!

w/e. I'm going to bed, but if this wagon builds steam:
We are Clifford, The big Red Dog, and we are Vanilla.

g'night! Lynch us if you want!

A VT claim with like 4 total votes?

More Camnt votes. This needs to happen today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

This is 5 of the required 10.

Come on people let's get this done!

And while the rhetoric of believing that camntsuki was very strongly scum was there, Magna's usual pushing scum cases is normally more actual casing and far less showmanship, which was why I was saying it didn't really feel like he actually believed it.

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These are some examples of things that bothered me about MoI:

Also the Snarky wagon dissipating on Nachos cute but irrelevant “Oh, no-one can read him” tale I think will be a great place to start looking for bussers who hopped at the first sign of an easy exit.

I thought it was weird that Magna commented that the wagon on Snarky dissipated but didn't actually try to stop the push against it; he framed the wagon dissipating as "welp, Nacho said that he didn't think no one could read him and thus he became unlynchable". I didn't understand why he moved from the camntsuki wagon from the Snarky wagon when he was pushing that he did know how to read Snarky well and he did legitimately feel that Snarky was scum while the camntsuki push looked more like this:

Dear townies.

This game is already intolerable, and it's only day 1.
Please, for Cheetory, lets purge.

Agreed.

VOTE: Camnt

People who "project town" end up dead, mostly. And most endgames are a bunch of lurkertown and a bunch of scumzors, and the games suck and scum win.

Complains about how it is Pro-scum to not “project Town”. Proudly states it is what they are doing.

Lynch away!

w/e. I'm going to bed, but if this wagon builds steam:
We are Clifford, The big Red Dog, and we are Vanilla.

g'night! Lynch us if you want!

A VT claim with like 4 total votes?

More Camnt votes. This needs to happen today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

This is 5 of the required 10.

Come on people let's get this done!

And while the rhetoric of believing that camntsuki was very strongly scum was there, Magna's usual pushing scum cases is normally more actual casing and far less showmanship, which was why I was saying it didn't really feel like he actually believed it.

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861 was a joke post, Imperium. It was right after someone said commented about how someone was going to complain that there was no resistance, no counterwagon, and it popped up really quickly

Missed that context, sorry.

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VOTE: kdowns

Why are you tunneling him so hard?

Farside,
Snarky is lock town to you because of this post?

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@Imperium:

Honestly, one of the reasons I think MoI is pretty towny is because he's actually explaining out his reads a bit.

Which contrasts pretty hard with my dislike for hiplop who been a whole lot of nothing and naked votes

Can most of your reads be summarized by "they are explaining their reads" or "they haven't been explaining their reads"?

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And yet Snarky isn’t anywhere to be seen on your radar. I have issues with the discontinuity in your posting and stated motivation and subsequent play.

It's not really true that Snarky isn't anywhere on my radar; I chose Waco over him because I hoped that pressuring Waco might result in something fruitful whereas I've played with Snarky long enough to understand that it probably isn't happening. My original comment about Snarky was more directed towards Cheetory, who seemed pretty frustrated with the possibility of Snarky!town and trying to get day 1 to be something more complex than lynching Snarky Day 1 for typical Snarky. I'll vote him if Waco produces something middling to decent.

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For Broseiden: I don't think scum posts #1443, but so much of the rest of his iso is just sillyness, rage and AtE

p-edit: No, there aren't enough people posting explanations to do that, haha. I mention it for MoI, because I feel like his posts stand out from the pack in this

So you agree with Firebringer's take on the post then?

(in reference to BRO's #1443)

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I think you're townreading MOI for being MOI.

He writes a lot of words but I think those words kind of suck

Maybe so, but enough of those words have made sense to me that I'm not concerned about it

What cases or reads have you agreed with?

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You supposed distain for shit-slinging peaks my interest given that you aren’t knocking either Camnt or Bro who personify that particular brand of posting.

You kind of answer your own question here; Katsuki and BRO are occasionally (not always, but occasionally) personifications of shit-slinging; as a result, I'm not particularly inclined to spend my time trying to convince them to stop.

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What is the point of this response to Firebringer given he specifically went out of his way to say “This is for the Mod” other than to look like you are interacting with the slot?

No point other than curiosity; just wondering what he thought was a "horrible" kids' tv show character.

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So does that mean we will exclude that he's a mafia because he has the Cookie Monster name and because he's chilling and eating cookies for his stupid life.

Actually it has a lot more to do with the fact I have a provable role, but hey

I like the expectation the wagon will move off him.
I don't like the logic.

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68 pages ;_;

Thank all the people who say "Large walls are anti-Town" and proceed to put what could be easily summarized in a single post in a string of 5 to 15 posts thus artificially inflating the page count which is hella Anti-Town.

I don't think either style makes reading easier; some players will read in depth, other player's won't. I don't feel like kraska is going to be one of those players who actually reads and thus don't really feel too sorry for them.

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Vote: SnarkySnowman

I don't have too much more time here today, willing to drop my Waco push for now assuming that he keeps elaborating on reads (although I'd prefer more complete explanations if possible).

Vote will return if Waco doesn't deliver.

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Fox saying someone else is OMGUS'ing, I'm dying here,


Nobody notice how they avoid the content in favor of a one liner.

What content/context are they avoiding?
I don't think that their point on you is that horrible and avoiding content in favor of a one liner is basically what you did to them (although I guess I could qualify it as a one and a half liner if that made you feel better).