Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Fox McCloud]

Hello All!

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

DS is probably town.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

So why is DS probably town after 3 posts?

Because 28 felt towny.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Also, VOTE: Grib

Only scum hate RVS

I dont RVS either tho (although tbf i barely vote early game, so my other head has full control of the vote), what makes him different from me?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Hey SS, why did you hop from Fox to me? What about Fox's responses satisfied you enough?

Also, they asked you a question.

??? i didnt ask SS any question, i did ask DS a question, i didnt like the response much tbh =/

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I was kinda hoping he'd let out more about his thought process, but apparently that was too much to hope for. Well I hope anti gets to this tomorrow so we can start comparing notes ^_^ have a good night

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

who are these people...?
i just woke up in my underwear

no liquor left on the shelf


i should probably introduce myself

[Fox McCloud]

>claims to be town first post

why is that scummy?

Uh hi

VOTE: Fox McCloud

So why is DS probably town after 3 posts?

why is that scummy?

This.

why is that scummy?

like...

i see you quoting stuff and facepalming and going SCUMZORZ which is... cute and all but that still didnt give me a good idea of where youre heads at
yeah

[Fox McCloud]

We don't need to take down a claimed miller unless we scumread them, all a miller claim says is that we cant use cops to read them. Who here ever said to take down millers? I seem to have missed it.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

This kayen guy might be newbtown.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I think it's diamond.

I just went into his ISO and all i recall is him saying NUs should claim coz they could screw with the town, not to lynch them, can you link what made you think this?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

What?! Excuse me, No. And if all of you really don't like to play with me just because I am a 'newbie' then I can be replaced. Because it looks like that all of you don't want to play with me.

Mafia scum people really are terrifying. This is why I don't want to play here. Can y'all be more friendly?

I can be your friend ^_^
But dont worry, I understand that you're new, hence why i'm trying to see what you're seeing and help you out from there

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Talk at me about how you read post #28 when you first read it please and thank you.

It felt like he was trying to game solve ^_^;;
This read has fallen off with his subsequent posts and anti also disagreed with me on that read so I guess i was wrong.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

why is that scummy?

This is awfully defensive probably antihero.
Goodness gracious me oh my.

oh.......
ohkay

[Fox McCloud]

like....

i think 64 is kinda scummy b/c snarky sniped at a few superficial things with glib little cutesy one-liners

i dunno i just think it's got the scum mentality goin on.

[Fox McCloud]

Do you think lurking would get him through the game as scum? Nope. It never does. At some point he would be up for noose (if not Vigged / whatever prior to that point) for non-performance if associations are bad enough.

I think I'm pretty proficient at reading Snarky. At least as proficient as you can get with someone who plays as he plays. So far this is not Town Snarky in my mind.

Nah. I don't necessarily find it particularly compelling to think that he would necessarily be posting more to try and avoid being labeled as a lurker by people if he were scum.
I feel like there are a bunch of more likely possibilities.

What would you say your track record is percentage wise with reading him?

are you townreading any of snarky's content?

[Fox McCloud]

like...

i get "defensiveness" thrown in my face when my overall point is that none of the things he called scummy are really that scummy

claiming town is pretty solidly nai and has more to do w/ individual habits/idiosyncrasies than anything. anyone who's played a few games here should know that some ppl's routines include "town claiming"
even ignoring the fact that luna townhunts (which snarky wouldnt know if he never played w her), how is calling someone town after 3 posts inherently scummy? is there a magical threshold for giving a read? what is it?
the other one he just glommed onto what imperium said so... ok

[Fox McCloud]

Shrug.
I haven't forgotten fortnight though.

how is that germane to anything that's been said?

[Fox McCloud]

you dont have to preach to me about the importance of differentiating lynchbait-y behavior from scummy behavior

is that the point or what?

[Fox McCloud]

VOTE: cheetory

[Fox McCloud]

The way you were framing it was like "snarky is trying to make us look bad" when to me it seemed pretty plausible that he could just be trying to parse you?

yes that is ALL my point
as i JUST made a post explaining

like...

i get "defensiveness" thrown in my face when my overall point is that none of the things he called scummy are really that scummy

claiming town is pretty solidly nai and has more to do w/ individual habits/idiosyncrasies than anything. anyone who's played a few games here should know that some ppl's routines include "town claiming"
even ignoring the fact that luna townhunts (which snarky wouldnt know if he never played w her), how is calling someone town after 3 posts inherently scummy? is there a magical threshold for giving a read? what is it?
the other one he just glommed onto what imperium said so... ok

[Fox McCloud]

I'll probably vote Fox if they keep playing at this level.

wow...

[Fox McCloud]

Also, IIRC you couldn't read snarky in fortnight and that read was based largely on his tone. If you're being serious about scumreading Snarky here, I would question why?

you dont remember correctly. it was based on his inactivity.

[Fox McCloud]

So it's shocking to you that snarky would find other aspects of your play sketchy and was poking at the strongest stance you'd taken to that point?

him poking MORE at the fact that the read was made after 3 posts rather than the position itself didnt give me that vibe

[Fox McCloud]

Wow almost like people ask questions about details that might not lead to anything because holy canoli who would ever try to poke at things to see if there's maybe something there that doesn't fit.

64 is a lot less on the "inquisitive" side and a lot more on the "attacky" side

[Fox McCloud]

Okay, why is it weird to poke at something that doesn't necessarily make sense to him?

...

that's a really weird interpretation of what he posted

[Fox McCloud]

Uh hi

VOTE: Fox McCloud

So why is DS probably town after 3 posts?

so here it is.
in all its glory.

where does he criticize the POSITION itself?

he doesn't

he doesn't say "ds is scummy, how are you townreading him"

what he goes after is the fact the read was made after 3 POSTS

that+ the vote and the obvious implication is that you COULDN'T get a read after such a small number of posts

so plz cheet, tell me all about how he's just sherlock holms'ing this shit and i'm being "defensive"

[Fox McCloud]

He literally asked Luna to explain a townread.

no, he

LITERALLY

did

NOT

if we're doing

LITERAL

[Fox McCloud]

That's the entire gist of this so-called attack.

oh my god
are you fucking serious?

[Fox McCloud]

what am i being so outrageous about...?

serious question

[Fox McCloud]

Spoiler:

>claims to be town first post

why is that scummy?

Uh hi

VOTE: Fox McCloud

So why is DS probably town after 3 posts?

why is that scummy?

This.

why is that scummy?

like...

i see you quoting stuff and facepalming and going SCUMZORZ which is... cute and all but that still didnt give me a good idea of where youre heads at
yeah

like....

i think 64 is kinda scummy b/c snarky sniped at a few superficial things with glib little cutesy one-liners

i dunno i just think it's got the scum mentality goin on.

like... if i went "OMGZ SNARKY'S THE SCUMLORD OF SCUMZ, LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE DIE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKK" then THAT would be outrageous and unreasonable

i really dont get this strong reaction to a very mild thing i'm doing

[Fox McCloud]

From where I stand, you're playing semantics gymnastics and shitting all over me for finding it stupid as hell.
Now can you please leave me alone so I can calm down, finish work and then go home and figure out if I'm being stupid or not?
K?
THanks.
Kindly.

ok take your time

[Fox McCloud]

and it totally isnt frustrating for me to constantly get BoP'd in the rvs like... all the fucking time

[Fox McCloud]

bear in the big blue house kicked ass

/thats all from me too for a while

[Fox McCloud]

Read the fox cheetory back and forth and it read TvT.

See inspector gadget was the boom.
Why do you hate me mod.

This is really easy to say.

I didn't feel that way about it, frankly!

...and....?

[Fox McCloud]

the argument isn't making me think either party is town. particularly you, i think, but i'm adopting a wait and see strategy

And here i thought that anti had such a black and white meta that it'd be able to easily see us town, but i guess i'll be doing the obvtowning part of the slot then ^_^

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Also all the WIFOM coming out of DS is making me feel uneasy

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

these acronyms makes my life hard

What acronyms?

Which WIFOM? The part how I said that people lurk out of RVS? Eh, I pleed the fifth.

With all the "oh hey guys, you all can trust me!"

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I think I just saw the wall of "why this scummy why this scummy why this scummy" and felt like Anti was being nitpicky to a degree that was unfair.

if you read "why is this scummy" as snide or sarcastic, it wasn't. it was meant to be taken at face value. theyre not rhetorical questions, i really am asking "why are these things scummy?"

and tbh going after luna didnt bother me SO much, what really pinged my gut and gave me the bad impression was going after grib + the whole /facepalm/ thing (why is that warranted? it feels off)

and it's not a super mega skullfuckingly strong scumread either (which is why i didnt vote him) so... i think you misinterpreted my first post as being aggressive when i wasnt

[Fox McCloud]

i might have to eat a little shit here bc grib is kind of freaking me out

[Fox McCloud]

I've add Waco to my scum list funny enough.

not that funny. i agree.

[Fox McCloud]

Spoiler:

@Kdowns, thoughts on Diamond and Grib?

DS, threw me off at first with trying to get people to out NU roles but later says that we have no Night Actions or Role claims to even begin to attempt to grab any discussion. Which in my head is throwing off red flags because why as early as Day 1 do we need to have anyone make any claims to even begin discussion on who is scummy or not. Just DS' general actions so far in this game are reading more Scum than anything. Especially after getting on to Grib for not wanting to RVS and then claiming to be Facetous after people start to get onto him.

Grib, from what I've read so far just seems to be defending himself from DS' attacks onto him for not wanting to RVS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DS

Hey Waco, why did you single out kdowns specifically? And what are your impressions of his response to you?

I singled him out because he had like 3-4 posts prior to that which said absolute zero, so I wanted to force him to do something. See below quote

Reread a few things.

Vote kdowns

His reason for voting reads a bit more wordy then is needed.

I concur, although I read it a bit differently. 1) I kinda felt like he was just trying to find a reason that sounded different to make the vote, and 2) He really took a narrow view on the question, in a way that kinda shut down further discussion than encouraged.

VOTE: kdowns

p-edit: What does != x mean?

:I

I'm kind of sad you didn't give your OWN thoughts on his response and instead jumped on someone else's.

Buuut I also agree that the DS read was words words words. Hrm.

Eh, what?? Read the damn post Grib. I concurred with the end read, but I pretty clearly stated my reasons for agreeing were different than what farside had stated.

If you want a post that seems more sheepy and doesn't fully explain, look below.

Reread a few things.

Vote kdowns

His reason for voting reads a bit more wordy then is needed.

I concur, although I read it a bit differently. 1) I kinda felt like he was just trying to find a reason that sounded different to make the vote, and 2) He really took a narrow view on the question, in a way that kinda shut down further discussion than encouraged.

VOTE: kdowns

p-edit: What does != x mean?

Just read kdowns post and I decided to vote for him too because I agree in this post. Although DS is still on my suspicion list. And I think kdown just really felt like he really just came up with a reason and tries to increase DS' votes. And its really looks like words.

UNVOTE: DS
VOTE: Kdowns for above reasons.

[/quote]

this post

the whole "sheepings not scummy look at keyen he did it too" feels really deflective
and im not a fan of the kdowns push to begin with

[Fox McCloud]

kdowns: talk to me about your three strongest reads right now, and why you have them.

this is a cookie cutter blah question

it just has a faux scumhunting feel to it.

add in that i kinda got a buddy vibe from your earlier post and ----> youre freaking me out

[Fox McCloud]

Additionally, we are at 3 days into day 1. I'm allowed to make votes based on my opinions of people. It's not like we have that much information to go off of.

So when are you going to start scumhunting?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

just in general the push on kdowns grosses me out. the only one doing it im townreading is farside and i feel like people are just glomming onto her.

can someone who's not farside talk more about why kdowns is scum?

[Fox McCloud]

You think I'm buddying you because I told you not to worry about me?

no from 237

[Fox McCloud]

I don't think that's what he was saying. He pointed out that he himself wasn't sheeping because he had his own reasons for following the vote.

yeah and then he immediately pointed over to keyen

[Fox McCloud]

In all honesty, it's because Ceph's attitude is really pissing me off so I want him out.

Additionally, we are at 3 days into day 1. I'm allowed to make votes based on my opinions of people. It's not like we have that much information to go off of.

These look more like disliking the player rather than discering their alignment

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I currently have a gut townread on hippy btw.

-Luna

PEdit: Why wishful thinking? it's full gut for me XD

[Fox McCloud]

I'll stop being passive-aggressive if you stop throwing a fit at being pressured by one person.

If DS isn't getting lynched, then why are you bothering with him?

Do you only post your issues with players you think you can lynch on a given day?

What is the point of your questions?

What is the point of THIS question?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Like even if you dont know the point of the question he's asking, you should at least answer it, but you just retaliated with a question =/

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Man, where were you when I had to shake hiplop down to elaborate on several questions I asked him?

Probably not here XD
I just came in and read your interactions with hippy and just came to the conclusion that both of you were probably town, but a stronger read on hippy.

Although the thing is, that even if you think a person asking a question is scum, you should at least answer it because if the player is town it might serve the purpose of reading you, imo ^_^

-Luna

P-Edit: I think hippy is a nice guy ^^ (unrelated to alignment)

[Fox McCloud]

I don't know which one, but I'm going for hippo.

What makes you think hippy is scum? And why one of Ceph/Hippy?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Where did I say I was scumreading Cephir?

Uhh i guess it kinda looked like that, but it wasnt my intention to imply that, it was a general statement as a reply to your question.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

And here I was thinking you actually wanted to play this game. I suppose not, though.

Says the guy saying things like:

What I show you isn't what is in my head, 90% of the time.

I can't explain it right now. Later.

When i ask them questions to understand their thought process

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

No, I havent played with you, but it's always my opinion that a townie shouldn't have anything to hide and have transparency in their thought process ^_^
Hiding your thought process makes it harder to read you, and if you're actually town, that isn't good.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

VOTE: waco kid

[Fox McCloud]

@Keyen: Thoughts on Fox & Farside?

Well fox is for me is a null town. And Farside is a null scum for me. I should probably and check back because far side is entering my suspicion list.

now that keyen has answered
i'd like to know why you were polling him about us

[Fox McCloud]

that was to waco, not you

prob should've been clearer about that

[Fox McCloud]

Fox completely skimmed over Cheetory's questioning of the townread on me. Interesting. Possible white-knighting on Fox's side? Maybe.

huh...?

what are you talking about?

[Fox McCloud]

Antihero was the mod for that game and literally said "all it takes is a few sugared words and a coy smile to earn DiamondSentinel's undying devotion"

i

LITERALLY NEVER

said that

[Fox McCloud]

like... is it a new thing to say something completely untrue after "literally"?

[Fox McCloud]

just went over 7 - 9 again and i have no idea what youre pulling "whiteknighting" out of...

[Fox McCloud]

PEdit: Antihero, that was in Antihero v. Fakegod in the Dead Chat. It was with Shinobi when I was townreading him after everyone else scumread him.

yes, and fakegod said that. we've been over this SEVERAL times since that game.

i don't even see where cheet was "questioning the townread on ds"

what the fuck are you talking about?

[Fox McCloud]

He asked "why the townread on DS" and you never answered him. But ok. I thought I had asked Fakegod about that and he had said that it wasn't him, it was you. But then again, my memory is very unreliable.

we went over this in sitechat and i think in machina. so yeah, youve got some memory loss.

he also never asked me why i was townread ds. and if he did i would've said "im not townreading ds, that's luna's read" AND im pretty sure luna did talk about why she had that read

[Fox McCloud]

Why you were townreading DS* gah. Workposts are hard.

There you go Fox.

that was an EBWOP to the previous post...

[Fox McCloud]

i feel like it's kind of obvious that kdowns is not going to come back with a really clear cut answer to that and might superficially "look bad" as a result, too

I probably know kdowns better than anyone else in this game (not from mafia though) and I think his posting up to this point is pretty in line with his personality

is this the case for the ceph/kdowns scumteam...?

b/c no, i dont agree w that

[Fox McCloud]

also prob wouldnt vote ceph today. him having his hands clasped over his ass after luna said something about me and my meta i thought was kinda town (considering context of house of cards)
kdowns himself is pretty bland. i got a "maybe town?" off of what farside was calling his words words words post. hes been getting heat from questionable corners so theres that too

[Fox McCloud]

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

as someone with a similar experience level to ceph, i can say that what he said about "lurking out the rvs" is accurate. anyone with a job (or something else going on in rl) will know why it's accurate.

And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

uh... i mean... if he knows kdowns in a context outside mafia it would make sense for him to say that...?

[Fox McCloud]

for ceph it seems like your case is "heres these things he did now heres the sinister motivation for them"

idk what your case on kdowns is independent of ceph... what is it?

[Fox McCloud]

fwiw i spent a good chunk of my time in machina (unsuccessfully) fighting his mislynch
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64547

[Fox McCloud]

Why so senstitive when someone's being asked about you?

Mostly because Keyen had talked about a few things you did in different tones and I wanted a more firm read, while he had nothing major about farside. As I'm still bak & forth on keyen, I wanted to get some more out of him.

b/c the whole "ask x about y and z" is another faux "scumhunting" thing to look busy

[Fox McCloud]

.. so are you townreading him then?
:/

no

grib asked

[Fox McCloud]

when was i supposed to say something about it?

[Fox McCloud]

VOTE: snarky

[Fox McCloud]

/engage futurevision...

this wagon doesnt have any resistance

this wagon was fast

this wagon doesnt have a counterwagon

fjkdl;savmlke;samvlk;fjalkjdklfads;lfjesak;jdskafl;jsadf;lmewa;ofawfejal

there, i made your meaningless point for you.

[Fox McCloud]

well i just used my ohmmeter on your face and got a value of ugly

[Fox McCloud]

Just because someone is helpful doesn't mean they are town.

~M

ew.........

[Fox McCloud]

mala, are you scumreading moi b/c i dont rly get the point of that post

[Fox McCloud]

i got a lot of swirlies when i was in middle school

yeah, me too

[Fox McCloud]

Oh look, a counterwagon!
What is this thing about Mala's meta tho?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Considering it.
And by considering it, i mean talking with Anti about it.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Piss poor move, especially with nothing to back that vote up.

right i NEVER talked about snarky before now...

[Fox McCloud]

Anti

sup mala

[Fox McCloud]

Oh PGO is so not a scummy claim.

But I mean the joking is obvious to anyone.

~M

Fmpov it is very scummy. I have only seen scum claim it (and claimed it myself)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60729

claimed pgo
wasn't scum

/joining ceph in his pointless sass crusade

[Fox McCloud]

why does anti disappear on me when I actually am around.

I'm here tho ^_^ i can go dig his latest reads list in our hydra chat if you want

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Yeah in that case you'd be better off waiting for him i haven't asked him about those 2 specifically yet.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

sry mala i got a phone call im back now

[Fox McCloud]

what the fuck?

[Fox McCloud]

Anti

sup mala

What do you think about MoI and Imperium?

~M

i see luna's talking about my readslist in the hydra pt

i have moi in the tier right above null. i think the snarky push is kinda town and i like what he's looking for (i didnt think 64 was a town post either)

i don't have an opinion on imperium

[Fox McCloud]

please dont let kuroi make you replace out cheet.

[Fox McCloud]

please dont let kuroi make you replace out cheet.

It's not Kuroi.
I'm not well enough to play right now.

just deal with it like i do and drink

[Fox McCloud]

how could you turn that down cheet?

HOW?

[Fox McCloud]

if i didn't specifically ask luna to hydra with me for this game, i'd probably be following cheet out the door now

[Fox McCloud]

Define "disruptive."

drowning the thread with massive volume that doesn't actually say that much

[Fox McCloud]

just popping in to see if waco kid's done anything town yet

/shock

he hasn't

[Fox McCloud]

Hi Transcend!

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

the camntsuki wagon isn't very good

[Fox McCloud]

Au contraire, I think it's a wonderful wagon.

why?

i dont even get the basic premise of the wagon

[Fox McCloud]

Is Farside saying we are lurking now??

w/e. I'm going to bed, but if this wagon builds steam:
We are Clifford, The big Red Dog, and we are Vanilla.

g'night! Lynch us if you want!

is this it? is it their (im guessing this is camn) flailing...?

what is it?

[Fox McCloud]

no scum-hunting

ohhhhhhhhhhhhkay.....

and decided that policy lynching people they don't like is appropriate for Day 1.

that... sounds like kat

Then under minimal pressure they threw down as "I'm VT, lynch me if you want" AtE crap post that is pretty much a scum claim.

that tells me they're impulsive

What don't you get about that?

i mean... the only thing you listed that i think is actually scummy is the "no scumhunting." and i don't ... THINK... i agree with that's the case w/ camn... let me look again.

[Fox McCloud]

i mean... the only thing you listed that i think is actually scummy is the "no scumhunting." and i don't ... THINK... i agree with that's the case w/ camn... let me look again.

looking and i still dont think i agree w "no scumhunting"

do you have a specific issue with a specific read?

[Fox McCloud]

hey ceph

looks like youre my bobbsey twin again

i have a secret scumread. do you know who it is?

[Fox McCloud]

Hey Fox, could you pick out three posts that show camntsuki is scumhunting?

Even squinting I can barely see it.

Spoiler: posts w reads

ok.
that was a pretty dull 24 pages.

farside, cheetory, and Ceph are town .
diamondsentinel, grib, and Keyen are all scum and/or intolerable.

but the MOST intolerable?

unvote

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

I keep odd hours... so I'm going to sleep now.
well...soon.

but our lurky phase is over. sorry again.

all that Shiz with DS asking for Miller claims was scummy af.
everything Grib posts makes we feel like I wanna take a shower.
and Keyen is maybe just a newb... but if he lives to endgame we, the town, lose this game. regardless of his alignment. And if he IS town, which I doubt, he never eats a night kill for us. He just gets mislynched in Lylo.

hey, Grib!
I just woke up, and I see you have a lot to say to me. I also see you are jumping on the Snarky wagon, but if you wanna buss, I won't stop you.
We can work together for now.

Ceph, we are finally on the same page. I love it. don't let my other head rub you wrong this game!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

oh PS-
Keyen: Call me a bitch again. I dare you.

@cheetory
I can get behind a snowman lynch.
I think I am town reading Medical though. I'll need a reread, though. I got a late start on this game.

p-edit: I'm a surprising person, and you are taking to to same me you thought.

anything more precise? i dont feel like this conversation is going anywhere

[Fox McCloud]

Well, Fox, Cephrir, good thing we don't have to convince everyone. That's the beauty of majority.

that... doesn't make the read any more accurate...

[Fox McCloud]

i have a secret scumread. do you know who it is?

I do not :0

i'm trying to see if luna can guess it either.

c'mon, you dont even have an inkling?

[Fox McCloud]

bro?

imperium?

yep

you beat luna

[Fox McCloud]

I'm just trying to understand your read on camntsuki.

nononononononononono

I'M trying to understand YOUR read. YOU are the one claiming to have the strong read. i'm not.

i have scattered thoughts on them. at first i kind of thought being self conscious about being perceived as a lurker may have been potentially scummy but since then there are a few posts that made me think "maybe town?" but it doesnt go beyond gut feelings or anything easy to articulate

i just dont think it's a slam dunk case like ppl are acting like it is

[Fox McCloud]

I mean when you can clearly see someone's

reads changing

and shit

you expect to see that over the time frame this game's been going...?

[Fox McCloud]

I know this isn't AI or anything, but do you have dial-up?

no

the person who called me got my undivided attention b/c the subject of conversation happened to be important

i haven't used a land line phone since i was in high school and i havent used dial up since i was in 5th grade

...dial up was obnoxious...

[Fox McCloud]

Ah.

It's certainly one of the most concrete.

Feel free to sell me/everyone on a wagon you believe to be more viable.

yeah... i'm not really in push mode yet more in sort mode but i'll keep that in mind

[Fox McCloud]

I’m starting to question if Fox’s read on Camnt is colored by personal like for the individual heads or colored by knowing they aren’t a partner so assuming them to be Town …

no

it's based on seeing them be lynchbait before and a good healthy dose of skepticism i've picked up over the pretty long amount of time playing this game.

but i see you're so far up your own ass that you apparently assume disagreement with your BULLETPROOF, SUPER AWESOME, BONER-INDUCING case HAS to be whiteknighting so i guess there goes any chances of having a reasonable conversation w you

[Fox McCloud]

So basically everything you showed at 1185 isn’t scum-hunting and I question why you’d endeavor to pretend it is even closely related to being such.

i didn't say scumhunting, grib said that.

i said "here's posts where there's reads" b/c that's what ppl USUALLY approximate for "scumhunting"

with what camntsuki's posted i wouldn't suppose to be able to guess if there's any scumhunting going on or not

#sementic gymnastics

[Fox McCloud]

I’m starting to question if Fox’s read on Camnt is colored by personal like for the individual heads or colored by knowing they aren’t a partner so assuming them to be Town …

no

it's based on seeing them be lynchbait before and a good healthy dose of skepticism i've picked up over the pretty long amount of time playing this game.

but i see you're so far up your own ass that you apparently assume disagreement with your BULLETPROOF, SUPER AWESOME, BONER-INDUCING case HAS to be whiteknighting so i guess there goes any chances of having a reasonable conversation w you

well this is a strong move towards a reasonable conversation...

you don't see how this is frustrating...?

[Fox McCloud]

yeah id take that action

VOTE: waco kid

[Fox McCloud]

oh ok well im just a dumb shithead i guess

or...or what? im scum and im whiteknighting because who else besides an omniscient person WOULDNT sheep the camn case?

fucking a

[Fox McCloud]

/sigh

im right back at kuribo in wonderland toxic

i suck

[Fox McCloud]

And I'm caught up.

Fix, why are you voting waco?

stuff i talked about earlier

plus since then he hasnt pushed any angles thats made me think he's town (particularly jumping on hip for the "turnaround" and jumping on people criticizing grib)

i dont have a grand case on him just the stuff he's done gives me bad feelings and nothing i've read from him makes me immediately react with "oh yeah... that's probably town"

[Fox McCloud]

Can we not plunge this game into the depths of toxicity?

nacho,

i know you probably mean well

but this isn't really helping

[Fox McCloud]

if you have a better approach, go for it.
if there's a reason my approach is bothering you, let me know.

it's not bothering me...

fine, i was a little bit of an asshole to moi, but i wasn't just being toxic for the sake of being toxic. my overall point that moi either: is associating me with a position that i really don't have and/or thinks WAY too much of the camntsuki case still stands

i dont know how to finish this post. i'll just walk away for a while.

[Fox McCloud]

/walks to the liquor cabinet

ceph, you want anything while i'm up?

[Fox McCloud]

i... happen to have tequila. no bailey's.

Got any rum, Fox?

youre 18. no.

/waits for 11

[Fox McCloud]

I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

Can you talk to me about why you would do this as town?

Can anyone talk to me about why we aren't lynching this?

because making an uncompelling and myopic point isn't a scumtell...?

[Fox McCloud]

ok...

bro, could you just give a quick capsule review on why grib's scum again?

im trying to parse this but i dont know what im doing

[Fox McCloud]

Because it's obvious.

He's being intentionally obfuscating, pushing stupid shit, and has sequences of posts like 1250/1252 that demonstrate that he's just pushing shit because it's expedient.

alright... thats more...

so whats the smoking gun here?

b/c on a level i agree that grib doesnt push awesome things

off the top of my head nothing he's said in a while has tripped my "this is sleazy/scummy" senses

[Fox McCloud]

But 1218 above where you say “I couldn’t be certain if they were scum-hunting” pretty much disagrees with your “I disagree that they aren’t scum-hunting” post at 1178.

no it doesn't, theres subtle (but fundamental) differences here

depending on playstyle, scumhunting can be mostly introspective and you won't see the VAST majority of what's going on in someone's head (that's certainly the case w me, i estimate you probably see only a tenth of what i think in this thread in a typical game)

the posts i quoted shows that camn could be thinking about reads. so i don't look at camn's posting and think "i can definitively say they AREN'T scumhunting."

[Fox McCloud]

Insert predictable “Unsurprising Counter Wagon to Camnt springs up quickly while no significant counter wagons developed for Snarky … what could it mean?” snarky comment here.

nothing

(or, more precisely, one of a bunch of things only one of which that camn is scum and snarky is town)

[Fox McCloud]

i could tell you which of the "bunch of things" i think it is here but it'd be kind of mean

[Fox McCloud]

oh and the waco wagon is awful

awful

bad bad BAD

so you think MJ, as scum, claimed something that gives them mod confirmation........?

[Fox McCloud]

also bro is town wow that was easy

it's awesome and refreshing that bro doesn't live in a black-in-white world and seems to actually get the nature of this game

but i haven't gotten the town vibes

i asked luna to double check me and she said she got a mild town read so i don't know what i'm doing wrong b/c nothing he's said so far is really resonating with me

is there some meta component you're working off of ceph? b/c i admittedly have only spotty experience w bro.

[Fox McCloud]

keyen is starting to display that newb card pretty strongly and often.
I'd expect less complaining about not knowing what's going on or what to do and more actually trying.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

There's some cog dis between 1358 and 1359 If your read changed why didn't you unvote right there? why did you even vote them in the first place at the end of the previous post? I have a hard time at seeing how your thought process changed your read between those 2 posts, in addition 1361 feels like a cop out =/ considering i've been having the opposite problem (too few ppl feel like obvtown)

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Also the 2nd post was made like 4-5 minutes after the first, like what the hell changed your read from "Im voting this person" to "i dont think he's scum"

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

UNVOTE:

Can we just lynch someone and Ill get my footing tomrrow?
I am lazy.

I suggest this Waco Kid person, Anti doesnt like him and i dont have a townread there.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I just lost a mafia game, can someone hug me?

/kicks in the balls

[Fox McCloud]

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim

[Fox McCloud]

Also, if you can give out vig kills (I know it's a longshot) or can do them, please don't use them tonight...

ignore this

[Fox McCloud]

if youre a vig, shooting every night is the correct play (except obvious lylo/mylo situations)

[Fox McCloud]

Additionally, I merely made a suggestion/request. I didn't say "if you don't do this, you will lose the game for town!"

'mkay...

and i'm saying that it's, objectively, suboptimal play

[Fox McCloud]

Uh guys, how are we supposed to lynch scum if you keep forming counter wagons u.u

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Uh guys, how are we supposed to lynch scum if you keep forming counter wagons u.u

-Luna

there's not even a counter wagon here

it's just "lolz letz unvotez huehuehuehuheuehuehueheuehuehue"

[Fox McCloud]

Didn’t your slot just get done stating that counterwagons mean lots of things and very few of them automatically show the top wagon is Town?

That’s right your slot did – 1373

So it’s Town of you to push your wagon of choice using that logic but your partner was sure quick to dismiss it when it was on Camnt …

...did she say anything about the wagons making waco (or anyone else) more/less likely to be scum...?

no, she didn't. she essentially said "everyone stop being bitches and unvoting waco"

[Fox McCloud]

..did she say anything about the wagons making waco (or anyone else) more/less likely to be scum...?

no, she didn't. she essentially said "everyone stop being bitches and unvoting waco"

If you want to play the semantics game again great but don't pretend your partner didn't just invoke "why are we forming counter-wagons to this scum read of mine" when you claimed that me doing the same (complaining about a forming counter-wagon to my scum read Campt) was invalid.

It's at best disingenuous.

are you naturally this pedantic or do you have to work at it?

[Fox McCloud]

I'm sorry that examining your slot's play you find "pedantic".

nuance is inexplicably lost on you

[Fox McCloud]

nuance is inexplicably lost on you

Nah.

nah...?

nah nah

for example, if you look at the ppl NOT kneejerk scumreading camn (me, ceph, nacho, bro) you'll maybe gather ppl who've played w them before (and have a better baseline for reading them). a perceptive player may think "maybe my framework for reading them is wrong."

but you keep plunking along pushing this myopic "how is this helping town?"

[Fox McCloud]

d1 imperium lynch isn't happening

[Fox McCloud]

i see kats furiously trying to do something about the recent lull in the ban thread

[Fox McCloud]

can two more ppl plz vote waco tia

[Fox McCloud]

Am I the only one who didn't have a problem with Camn's attitude? I mean for christ sakes, a good chunk of us have been dicks to each other for the entire game.

Yeah tbh camntsuki being directly dickish is no worse than the passive-aggressive baiting the rest of the game is partaking in...

grib isnt happening today

[Fox McCloud]

waco / camnslot / snarky

pick one

[Fox McCloud]

waco / camnslot / snarky

pick one

Anti why are you already trying to get rid of me

im not scumreading the slot, im telling vanity wagoners and nonvoters to pick a side

[Fox McCloud]

====[]

[Fox McCloud]

So let's play a game, the game's called let's see how Waco Kid's reading people

This might be the worst wagon I've ever seen

I'm the Good Characters Cookie vendor, which basically clown except cookies instead of pies.

T: Grib
LT: MagnaofIllusion, Cheetory6/Trancend,
FoT: Medical Junkies, farside22, ConMan/Firebringer,
N: Dekes/kraska, DiamondSentinel, Cephrir,
FoS: camntsuki/spiffeh, Imperium, kdowns, keyenpeydee, BROseidon,
LS: hiplop, SnarkySnowman
S: Fox McCloud,

[8] Waco Kid ~

SnarkySnowman

,

Imperium

,

Fox McCloud

, Cephrir,

hiplop

,

camntsuki

,

Firebringer

, DiamondSentinel
[5] camntsuki ~

MagnaofIllusion

, Waco Kid,

Grib

,

Transcend

,

farside22

[1] DiamondSentinel ~

kdowns

[1] Grib ~

BROseidon

Not Voting (3) -

keyenpeydee

, kraska77,

Medical Junkies

Yeah, totally not OMGUS at all.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Fox saying someone else is OMGUS'ing, I'm dying here,


Nobody notice how they avoid the content in favor of a one liner.

What content/context are they avoiding?
I don't think that their point on you is that horrible and avoiding content in favor of a one liner is basically what you did to them (although I guess I could qualify it as a one and a half liner if that made you feel better).

Actually it's a pretty weak point given a quick search of my iso would tell you of the people on my wagon I'm OMGUS'ing I was suspicious of many of them prior to them voting me, which negates the point...

I didn't ISO search you, but if this is true then that means you've had static reads all of D1.
It is said people making AI posts when under heavy pressure, and i find your reads list very damning, however that's not my forte, i'm better at finding town and i don't think your posts speak town first and foremost because of the aforementioned fact that you're scumreading amlost everyone voting you (I grabbed the peak of your wagon, tho farside would've been there I guess), and townreading everyone voting camntsuki, so your reads feel fake to me.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

And now Waco Kid proceeds to discredit my playstyle. Hey gg guys.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Keyenhdhdjsn is a townread
I replaced into his slot in a game before (scum slot), he was giving super left field votes over there...his posts were completely offbeat from the context of the thread and his tone was accusatory
I've isod him here and he seems more interactive and sheep-y

That's good info to know, tbh his "newbie card" posts were rising my paranoia levels pretty hard >.<

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Kraska's probably town

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

where did i omgus?

[Fox McCloud]

@Kdowns, thoughts on Diamond and Grib?

DS, threw me off at first with trying to get people to out NU roles but later says that we have no Night Actions or Role claims to even begin to attempt to grab any discussion. Which in my head is throwing off red flags because why as early as Day 1 do we need to have anyone make any claims to even begin discussion on who is scummy or not. Just DS' general actions so far in this game are reading more Scum than anything. Especially after getting on to Grib for not wanting to RVS and then claiming to be Facetous after people start to get onto him.

Grib, from what I've read so far just seems to be defending himself from DS' attacks onto him for not wanting to RVS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DS

Hey Waco, why did you single out kdowns specifically? And what are your impressions of his response to you?

I singled him out because he had like 3-4 posts prior to that which said absolute zero, so I wanted to force him to do something. See below quote

Reread a few things.

Vote kdowns

His reason for voting reads a bit more wordy then is needed.

I concur, although I read it a bit differently. 1) I kinda felt like he was just trying to find a reason that sounded different to make the vote, and 2) He really took a narrow view on the question, in a way that kinda shut down further discussion than encouraged.

VOTE: kdowns

p-edit: What does != x mean?

:I

I'm kind of sad you didn't give your OWN thoughts on his response and instead jumped on someone else's.

Buuut I also agree that the DS read was words words words. Hrm.

Eh, what?? Read the damn post Grib. I concurred with the end read, but I pretty clearly stated my reasons for agreeing were different than what farside had stated.

If you want a post that seems more sheepy and doesn't fully explain, look below.

Reread a few things.

Vote kdowns

His reason for voting reads a bit more wordy then is needed.

I concur, although I read it a bit differently. 1) I kinda felt like he was just trying to find a reason that sounded different to make the vote, and 2) He really took a narrow view on the question, in a way that kinda shut down further discussion than encouraged.

VOTE: kdowns

p-edit: What does != x mean?

Just read kdowns post and I decided to vote for him too because I agree in this post. Although DS is still on my suspicion list. And I think kdown just really felt like he really just came up with a reason and tries to increase DS' votes. And its really looks like words.

UNVOTE: DS
VOTE: Kdowns for above reasons.

this post

the whole "sheepings not scummy look at keyen he did it too" feels really deflective
and im not a fan of the kdowns push to begin with

is there a point before here where waco calls me scum?

[Fox McCloud]

ok now i'm at a computer

nothing about waco's push is town or even "middling" to borrow nacho's terminology.

1) The Fox slot has been terrible. OMGUS'ing, doubtcasting, and one-line "cases" in lieu of actual scumhunting, and more interested in directing the wagon than making a case for one.

^this is p much a collection of (mostly inapplicable) buzzwords^

i never omgus'ed in this game so.... i have no idea what that's all about

i guess the "doubtcasting" he's referring to is my bro read...? (which belies his "scumhunting" point given he's not actually townreading bro and i've been trying to get what headspace bro's in for some time now)

and "directing the wagons" is just bullshit. barring a random gaffe from someone else one of the wagons i named is going to end up being the lynch today, with or without me saying it. the only thing i'm "directing" is people still in the no-mans-land of the votecounts to get out. fun little tidbit: he's not townreading ANY of the wagons i named so the whole "scum agency capture" theory is pretty lacking on that front.

what he's really sledgehammering on is my posting style, which is pretty easy for ppl who don't know me ("lookz at the scumzorz not explaining anything SCUMREAD HIM IT'S IN THE TEXTBOOK")

[Fox McCloud]

I'm going back to Waco's wagon but Waco did sound town 1 page ago? I don't think so. I don't have the sharpest mind.

Well thing is
We should be consolidating, not starting new wagons.
we have 5 days and a half left in the deadline.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Besides some of bro's posts give me some mild town feels, so you're kinda gonna need to explain that one to me ^_^;;

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Keyenhdhdjsn is a townread
I replaced into his slot in a game before (scum slot), he was giving super left field votes over there...his posts were completely offbeat from the context of the thread and his tone was accusatory
I've isod him here and he seems more interactive and sheep-y

Oh you replaced me? Cool.
Call me Keyen or Key. Read my signature. am not Keyen-"whateverthefuckyoutyped"

You change avatar today?
I like this one.

Yep LOL! I love Pandas not because they're cute but they symbolize (for me) "No racism" come on! Pandas are black and white too, but they're asian.

This is nice, you're cool ^_^

-Luna

Aww and i was doing so well ;_;

[Fox McCloud]

Also amazing that Fox has no other scum-reads to push and pushes that 5 days

Correction, i dont have ANY scumreads, just some townreads, anti's the one with the scumreads.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

The Waco lynch isn’t happening today especially given the make-up of who fueled it.

Well of course it wont happen if people keep pushing silly counterwagons ^^;;

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Good to know spiffeh's town ^_^
Also i got a stronger townread on Ceph and bro off these latest posts
Let's #rekt scum

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

This is where I currently stand:
Anti's list may differ, but this how I (Luna) currently feel about the game.

Luna's Foxy reads list v 1.0

Strong town:

BROseidon
Spiffeh
Cephrir
hiplop

Towny:

Transcend
Firebringer
kraska77
Imperium (Nachomamma8/Tammy hydra)
keyenpeydee
Medical Junkies (KuroiXHF/Malakittens hydra) (!) <- Pending supposed conf town d2 claim before moving further up.
Grib
kdowns

Leftovers:

DiamondSentinel
farside22
MagnaofIllusion
SnarkySnowman
Waco Kid

[Fox McCloud]

Why is BRO so high?

He was a mild townread, but his latest posting strengthened it. Call it gut or whatever, but I just dont feel him as scum right now.
Anti had the opposite opinion last time I checked with him (a few rl days ago), who do you think might be wrong?

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

I think mostly along the lines of 1796, 1817 and 1821 with maaybe on 1825.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Idk he's just null to me atm

Yeah Anti has a hard time seeing him as town, so he asked me coz im the "expert" townhunter

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Why is BRO so high?

generally they hold addictive qualities

This post made me LOL xD

-Luna