Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Cephrir]

Hello friends

[Cephrir]

yall kids need to stop making up new acronyms

[Cephrir]

get off my lawn

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

why do you hate fun

[Cephrir]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

for fun

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure if you're both pretty genuine or pretty severely nervous.

[Cephrir]

Aside from the already mentioned fact that it is the Good Characters the way you worded strikes me as off. RVS fun and games showing letting slip that your role PM isn’t a Good Character?

[Cephrir]

man if all scum acted scummy all the time this game would be easy

it's not easy! figure out your own interpretation.

[Cephrir]

This kayen guy might be newbtown.

-Luna

✓

[Cephrir]

Don't be sorry.
Unless you're a top secret alt pretending to be new.
Then you should be sorry.

What?! Excuse me, No. And if all of you really don't like to play with me just because I am a 'newbie' then I can be replaced. Because it looks like that all of you don't want to play with me.

Mafia scum people really are terrifying. This is why I don't want to play here. Can y'all be more friendly?

??? i don't think this post was hostile at all man

[Cephrir]

Maybe he likes playing scum more and was actually trying for that reason.

Or maybe he just wants to try this game for whatever reason.

I'm probably not gonna try to read someone based exclusively on their volume and yall shouldn't either.

pedit: hi kdowns

[Cephrir]

hmmmmm

[Cephrir]

a head full of empty

does that count?

(don't worry about it)

[Cephrir]

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

[Cephrir]

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

It's been almost a full day and they haven't posted.

If someone doesn't post for the first day, more often than not, it's a sign of them trying to lurk out of RVS

So you mean to tell me if I checked games and did the math I would find that more than half of Players who don't post within 24 hours are scum?

Boy this game must seem really easy if you think everything is that simple.

[Cephrir]

Read the fox cheetory back and forth and it read TvT.

See inspector gadget was the boom.
Why do you hate me mod.

This is really easy to say.

I didn't feel that way about it, frankly!

[Cephrir]

Honestly if a scum can't navigate the oh so difficult waters that is trying to act like a human being when no one is even scum hunting maybe they should try a different game.

I am willing to bet intentionally lurking through RVS is something that pretty much never happens

[Cephrir]

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

It's been almost a full day and they haven't posted.

If someone doesn't post for the first day, more often than not, it's a sign of them trying to lurk out of RVS

So you mean to tell me if I checked games and did the math I would find that more than half of Players who don't post within 24 hours are scum?

Boy this game must seem really easy if you think everything is that simple.

Lurking/Wanting to avoid RVS != scum

I'm simply saying that some people lurk out of RVS

ok but no one does that either

[Cephrir]

Read the fox cheetory back and forth and it read TvT.

See inspector gadget was the boom.
Why do you hate me mod.

This is really easy to say.

I didn't feel that way about it, frankly!

...and....?

the argument isn't making me think either party is town. particularly you, i think, but i'm adopting a wait and see strategy

[Cephrir]

(mostly because i really really would like you to be town)

[Cephrir]

the argument isn't making me think either party is town. particularly you, i think, but i'm adopting a wait and see strategy

And here i thought that anti had such a black and white meta that it'd be able to easily see us town, but i guess i'll be doing the obvtowning part of the slot then ^_^

-Luna

i think i need a little more time than 10 posts.

[Cephrir]

this game is going to be annoyingly dense isn't it

[Cephrir]

@Kuroi

If you argued that I didn't make a scumslip (yes, I know arguing is a bit of a misnomer), then why would you vote for me?

Correction please. If you were voting for me, then why would you bother arguing that I didn't scumslip.

Are you one of those "everything has to be for a specific reason" peoppe

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

I don't like your attitude. You need an attitude readjustment.

[Cephrir]

In all honesty, it's because Ceph's attitude is really pissing me off so I want him out.

[Cephrir]

Eh, I actually think voting someone because you don't like them (or their attitude, or what-have-you) tends to come from town more often than not.

To use this dumb new abbreviation, I believe that is ~~NAI~~~~~~~

Okay so you realize that this is the exact reason DS voted for Cephir, yes?

thatsthejoke.png

[Cephrir]

i feel like it's kind of obvious that kdowns is not going to come back with a really clear cut answer to that and might superficially "look bad" as a result, too

[Cephrir]

I probably know kdowns better than anyone else in this game (not from mafia though) and I think his posting up to this point is pretty in line with his personality

[Cephrir]

What I show you isn't what is in my head, 90% of the time.

[Cephrir]

If the inference he is making here is that he was joking and no-one is seeing it then it stands to reason that at least one of those votes is probably scum. Yet no effort to parse the wagon and look at who might be scum other than some half-hearted poking at the Newbie. Take his “kdowns is scum WhiteKnighting / Chainsawing / Whatever tell he wants it to be” stance while voting Ceph for being annoying.

I don't know that there's any rule saying he's obligated to look at his own wagon. I know I wouldn't care terribly much about that in his shoes, anyway. But it's certainly valid that if he really is concerned about kdowns he should be voting kdowns and not me.

[Cephrir]

PEdit: That's not me being anti-town, Cephrir. It's just that what goes on in my head is complicated and doesn't really need to be explained. I don't expect you to trust me on that, but there are many others who do.

Anti-town? I didn't say that, you said that.

I know overdefensive is usually a shitty buzzword but I make exceptions now and then.

[Cephrir]

So, this will sound very weird, but it is my experience that the only time town finds a scum on D1 is when a. The scum is getting hardcore bussed, which then makes the others even harder to spot, or b. When the scumteam is so terrible the town would win anyways. So, my D1 strategy is to put town in the best possible standing for the rest of the game. (Sometimes I think this would be a NL, but this isn't one of those times)

"just give up you'll never catch us so don't try wahaha~~"

[Cephrir]

Cool.

I'm gonna go ahead and townread you, though.

eh

don't be a sucker

[Cephrir]

PEdit: That's not me being anti-town, Cephrir. It's just that what goes on in my head is complicated and doesn't really need to be explained. I don't expect you to trust me on that, but there are many others who do.

Anti-town? I didn't say that, you said that.

I know overdefensive is usually a shitty buzzword but I make exceptions now and then.

There's a little something called implied guilt. That's exactly what you were doing. You didn't say something verbatim, but it was implied that that was the statement you were making.

Actually, it's not. I was implying that you were scum.

So, this will sound very weird, but it is my experience that the only time town finds a scum on D1 is when a. The scum is getting hardcore bussed, which then makes the others even harder to spot, or b. When the scumteam is so terrible the town would win anyways. So, my D1 strategy is to put town in the best possible standing for the rest of the game. (Sometimes I think this would be a NL, but this isn't one of those times)

"just give up you'll never catch us so don't try wahaha~~"

Uh huh. Yep. Exactly what's happening here.

Christ, you're so dense it's a wonder your head doesn't collapse into a black hole.

Yeah, scumreading one person maybe incorrectly, I must be such a fucking moron, no one has ever done that before

[Cephrir]

Cool.

I'm gonna go ahead and townread you, though.

eh

don't be a sucker

Go on.

We's posted a lot of words but that doesn't mean you're obligated to townread him. I do not have a strong read on MOI at this time.

Hiplop wagon time?

Why?

[Cephrir]

@Grib: OK, what did you like about him then?

@DS: I'm giving you an @ just to let you know that I see your posts and I don't care about them.

[Cephrir]

I don't really see Diamond to be so ballsy as to do this.

What do you mean by "this"

[Cephrir]

I don't really see Diamond to be so ballsy as to do this.

What do you mean by "this"

I meant DiamondSentinel's call for all negative utility claims.

I don't take him as ballsy enough.

-K

Ballsy enough to suggest normal town play?

???????

[Cephrir]

Oh, another reason: "encouraged a lynch on a player he wasn't voting for."

I just noticed it now, but you changed your vote accordingly before I could voice it.

So what

[Cephrir]

Are you seriously beating the NO LURKERS drum when there's still 11 days left and prods haven't even gone out? Do you have anything to say about the things that active people are doing?

this is a really good point re: him being scum, though??? are you just ignoring that or

1) Why do you keep attributing that quote to players who aren't me? fake edit: close enough
2) I make ONE point about someone that could make them scum, but I make SEVERAL points about you and they all suck?

I have a hard time believing you're town.

Because usually when someone makes a point about a townie they're like yeah I'm scum good point

[Cephrir]

:I

Well, I tried.

Why did you make this post as though 431 was not a productive interaction with you? It looked like one to me

[Cephrir]

I'll stop being passive-aggressive if you stop throwing a fit at being pressured by one person.

If DS isn't getting lynched, then why are you bothering with him?

Do you only post your issues with players you think you can lynch on a given day?

[Cephrir]

and also I can't read him except when under extreme pressure so I need this

This is the sort of thing you probably shouldn't sa
Also sorry for the 140000 posts I'm on mobile

[Cephrir]

I don't really see Diamond to be so ballsy as to do this.

What do you mean by "this"

I meant DiamondSentinel's call for all negative utility claims.

I don't take him as ballsy enough.

-K

Ballsy enough to suggest normal town play?

???????

Out of over a million words in the English language, how do you continually manage to find the wrong ones to use?

VOTE: medical junkies

totally scum

lol
-K

So you're making the case that ascetic and miller's do not normally claim day 1? What site have you been playing on I don't think it's this one

[Cephrir]

:I

Well, I tried.

Why did you make this post as though 431 was not a productive interaction with you? It looked like one to me

It really wasn't.

Remind me not to answer your questions in the future then since apparently you do not want answers to them

[Cephrir]

I'll stop being passive-aggressive if you stop throwing a fit at being pressured by one person.

If DS isn't getting lynched, then why are you bothering with him?

Do you only post your issues with players you think you can lynch on a given day?

What is the point of your questions?

I'm trying to convince you that your attack on hiplop, from the view if an outsider without a strong read in him, doesn't seem reasonable

[Cephrir]

Vote: Junkies

Shall we?
Instead of interrogating probably town Grib? :/

I'm not for lynching junkies today. Let's try hippo.

I currently have a gut townread on hippy btw.

-Luna

PEdit: Why wishful thinking? it's full gut for me XD

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that one of the set <hiplop, cephrir> is scum. I don't know which one, but I'm going for hippo.

I accept paypal

[Cephrir]

I would lynch you before hip or Ceph.

D:

And here I was thinking you actually wanted to play this game. I suppose not, though.

I don't know which one, but I'm going for hippo.

What makes you think hippy is scum? And why one of Ceph/Hippy?

-Luna

I can't explain it right now. Later.

Suspecting you is not playing? And I'm the one whose attitude sucks?

[Cephrir]

Right.
Is your intention just to be as unpleasant as possible this game DS?
Because that's the vibe I'm getting.

Like, the number of interactions you've had this game that are just you stirring the pot is really annoying.
You should probably stop.
Please.

And here I was thinking you actually wanted to play this game. I suppose not, though.

Says the guy saying things like:

What I show you isn't what is in my head, 90% of the time.

I can't explain it right now. Later.

When i ask them questions to understand their thought process

-Luna

Ugh. I'm trying guys, but right now, this stuff's gotta stay on the DL. Assuming I live to see tomorrow, I will explain. Cheetory, there is a reason for this. And Luna, i don't think I've played with you before, and I don't know if you've watched me, but I never explain my actions when asked.

I don't know if you've played mafia before

But that's stupid

[Cephrir]

I'm trying to convince you that your attack on hiplop, from the view if an outsider without a strong read in him, doesn't seem reasonable

So what do you think of him, then?

Not sure yet.

I don't have a lot of reads thus far.

[Cephrir]

Surely you can understand that I have a hard time adjusting my read on him when all of the hiplop defenses are "gut" and "dunno." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're in a tunnel

That is all

[Cephrir]

I really am town reading DS at this point. Help! Is that good or bad? Cauz I think it's bad.

if you think it's bad...then...don't?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: waco kid

no

Why so sure?

k fine

VOTE: Waco Kid

Are you a jester? This is the kind of post a Jester would make.

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

I think their keyen read makes perfect sense, whether you agree with it or not is up to you.

You know, last time someone refused to engage with me because I was "[conf]scum," they turned out to be scum.

SS, camntsuki, maaaybe hiplop. Depending on Day 2.

You know, correlation (which this isn't even really) does not imply causation

1. Grib, part of the reason I don't explain myself is that I can't. My train of thought doesn't articulate very well. (Additionally, it's a case by case basis. At this point, the only thing I can explain that I remember is that I had a darn good reason for thinking that they are scum, so they stay scum for me, but I can't exactly remember why)

3. I can't tell if Camnsuki is being obtuse/ridiculous or scum. So he stays at null!scum.

That slot is not even in the top 5 most obtuse posters in this thread. What are you talking about?

4. Yeah, no way. Every game will have, if not a miller, than an ascetic. Unless this has very few power roles. That would be understandable. And if we get no claims by tomorrow, then that would be the analysis I make about the theme.

Bzzzzzzt, no, absolutely not.

Do you reeeeally need me to go pull some games for you of which this is not true (I wouldn't have to look very hard...) or do you already know this is not true in any way.

Page 3-4: Cheetory keeps clinging to minor things. This would typically strike me as "scum-like" but this is definitely Cheetory's personality. So, food for thought.

yeah that's not scummy

Cephrir said something that I don't know who it was directed at.

I'm not sure if you're both pretty genuine or pretty severely nervous.

Something pings me about this.

You and Grib.

Oh Christ, already a massive wall of text by Magna that does nothing but attack me. Make that a scum read.

Page 6: Oh, wow. Keyen getting defensive because people said he was a newbie. That's not looking good.

This is a surprise to you? He's done it like ten times.

134 - Fox: A very astute observation. Although it's almost

too

astute, Luna.

Ok, KDowns, I know this is a long shot, because you never seem to post anymore, but I want you to read Cyberpunk Mafia and Machina Mafia. I don't care your opinions about meta, just do it. (and if you want comparison for scum games, look at SaGa Frontier and/or Metal Gear Solid V). Your statement annoys me to no end when you said "he wants claims and actions before he'll start scumhunting". Well, yes. That's how I scum hunt. Words and statements are up to interpretation, but actions and claims are black and white. The only thing left to sort out is the plausibility for each one, and then its reasoning.

Oh look it's another task that kdowns obviously won't bother with.

I wouldn't either if I were him

Cephrir hsa said nothing except one thing that really really pings me.

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

Looks like he's trying to defend a scumbuddy who hasn't posted yet. I'll have to look into that later.
Ok yeah Cephrir is definitely trying to defend a lurkbuddy.

Yep, that's it! You got me! Damn, see you all next game.

like... is it a new thing to say something completely untrue after "literally"?

New? People have been doing that for years, unfortunately

Page 13-15: Getting a really really strong scumteam with Cephrir and KDowns. Unimaginably strong.

No I think I can imagine, it won't be the first time I've had this experience believe me I love being tunnelled by stupid, it's what keeps me going

• Keyen hopped off soon after, so that's cool.
  
• Got Cephrir and KDowns, which is a pretty solid scumteam
  
• Medical Junkies and MoI, who are both playing substandardly
  
• And finally Imperium, who hasn't posted for ages.

A fine wagon to have.

Wait you're actually looking for scum on your wagon like moi suggested

my god that is too funny

Oh boy! Cephrir played the "lalala I can't hear you" card already. Yeah, he deserves a wagon. VOTE: Cephrir

Referring to this one, btw.

@Grib: OK, what did you like about him then?

@DS: I'm giving you an @ just to let you know that I see your posts and I don't care about them.

Your post was too dumb to earn a response. I didn't see the point in going back and forth about it and cluttering up the thread with, well, <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

There is a difference between defending lurkers and pointing out that lurking is not a particularly scummy trait unless there are situational reasons or it's accompanied by posting elsewhere on the site. I will always shoot down bad attacks. Get used to it because <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

I mean okay if anyone else here wants to speak up and say they've had meaningful interactions with kdowns then by all means do so. Why would I say this if it weren't true.

[Cephrir]

2. I don't have a problem with the premise. It's the way he said it. "Sheep me because I know him" is the implied sentiment.

ok i'll not try to help in the future

[Cephrir]

VOTE: waco kid

no

Why so sure?

k fine

VOTE: Waco Kid

Are you a jester? This is the kind of post a Jester would make.

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

I think their keyen read makes perfect sense, whether you agree with it or not is up to you.

You know, last time someone refused to engage with me because I was "[conf]scum," they turned out to be scum.

SS, camntsuki, maaaybe hiplop. Depending on Day 2.

You know, correlation (which this isn't even really) does not imply causation

1. Grib, part of the reason I don't explain myself is that I can't. My train of thought doesn't articulate very well. (Additionally, it's a case by case basis. At this point, the only thing I can explain that I remember is that I had a darn good reason for thinking that they are scum, so they stay scum for me, but I can't exactly remember why)

3. I can't tell if Camnsuki is being obtuse/ridiculous or scum. So he stays at null!scum.

That slot is not even in the top 5 most obtuse posters in this thread. What are you talking about?

4. Yeah, no way. Every game will have, if not a miller, than an ascetic. Unless this has very few power roles. That would be understandable. And if we get no claims by tomorrow, then that would be the analysis I make about the theme.

Bzzzzzzt, no, absolutely not.

Do you reeeeally need me to go pull some games for you of which this is not true (I wouldn't have to look very hard...) or do you already know this is not true in any way.

Page 3-4: Cheetory keeps clinging to minor things. This would typically strike me as "scum-like" but this is definitely Cheetory's personality. So, food for thought.

yeah that's not scummy

Cephrir said something that I don't know who it was directed at.

I'm not sure if you're both pretty genuine or pretty severely nervous.

Something pings me about this.

You and Grib.

Oh Christ, already a massive wall of text by Magna that does nothing but attack me. Make that a scum read.

Page 6: Oh, wow. Keyen getting defensive because people said he was a newbie. That's not looking good.

This is a surprise to you? He's done it like ten times.

134 - Fox: A very astute observation. Although it's almost

too

astute, Luna.

Ok, KDowns, I know this is a long shot, because you never seem to post anymore, but I want you to read Cyberpunk Mafia and Machina Mafia. I don't care your opinions about meta, just do it. (and if you want comparison for scum games, look at SaGa Frontier and/or Metal Gear Solid V). Your statement annoys me to no end when you said "he wants claims and actions before he'll start scumhunting". Well, yes. That's how I scum hunt. Words and statements are up to interpretation, but actions and claims are black and white. The only thing left to sort out is the plausibility for each one, and then its reasoning.

Oh look it's another task that kdowns obviously won't bother with.

I wouldn't either if I were him

Cephrir hsa said nothing except one thing that really really pings me.

The game started yesterday it's not even possible to be lurking

Looks like he's trying to defend a scumbuddy who hasn't posted yet. I'll have to look into that later.
Ok yeah Cephrir is definitely trying to defend a lurkbuddy.

Yep, that's it! You got me! Damn, see you all next game.

like... is it a new thing to say something completely untrue after "literally"?

New? People have been doing that for years, unfortunately

Page 13-15: Getting a really really strong scumteam with Cephrir and KDowns. Unimaginably strong.

No I think I can imagine, it won't be the first time I've had this experience believe me I love being tunnelled by stupid, it's what keeps me going

• Keyen hopped off soon after, so that's cool.
  
• Got Cephrir and KDowns, which is a pretty solid scumteam
  
• Medical Junkies and MoI, who are both playing substandardly
  
• And finally Imperium, who hasn't posted for ages.

A fine wagon to have.

Wait you're actually looking for scum on your wagon like moi suggested

my god that is too funny

Oh boy! Cephrir played the "lalala I can't hear you" card already. Yeah, he deserves a wagon. VOTE: Cephrir

Referring to this one, btw.

@Grib: OK, what did you like about him then?

@DS: I'm giving you an @ just to let you know that I see your posts and I don't care about them.

Your post was too dumb to earn a response. I didn't see the point in going back and forth about it and cluttering up the thread with, well, <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

Well, for me, the biggest thing is that Ceph consistently tried to defend lurkers (way more than was logical), which makes me think that he's scum defending a lurking buddy, so there's a list of people, including KDowns who fits that bill.

There is a difference between defending lurkers and pointing out that lurking is not a particularly scummy trait unless there are situational reasons or it's accompanied by posting elsewhere on the site. I will always shoot down bad attacks. Get used to it because <I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.>

I'm gonna delete the rest of this sentence in the interest of not being a dick.

And then the kicker. He said "Out of everyone here, I know KDowns the best, and this fits his character". That's a major red flag. He is essentially saying "Nobody here knows him except for me so you guys just have to trust me on this that he's not terrible".

I mean okay if anyone else here wants to speak up and say they've had meaningful interactions with kdowns then by all means do so. Why would I say this if it weren't true.[/quote]

[Cephrir]

I think cephrir was saying this is normal for kdowns.

But he was acting scummy. So what we'll do is exclude the fact that he is a scum because it's normal for him to act this way. Come on.

Who's anti btw? Is it rihanna?

Dear lord.

I was saying I didn't think the specific critiques being made were a good reason to suspect him because they were critiques of his personality basically.

I wish I'd just let whoever it was be wrong.

[Cephrir]

also quote tags are basically impossible and there is nothing anyone could possibly do about it

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, answer me this. Why would you bother defending him when the only pressure on him (if you could call it that) was that people said that he wasn't posting anything worthwihle (Which he wasn't)

Why would I do that if he was my scumbuddy? I was letting whoever it was know that I didn't agree with their line of thought and maybe they should rethink it instead of wasting more time on the same direction. I would say I've learned my lesson, but I'm stupid and will probably do it again in the future

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, answer me this. Why would you bother defending him when the only pressure on him (if you could call it that) was that people said that he wasn't posting anything worthwihle (Which he wasn't)

Why would I do that if he was my scumbuddy? I was letting whoever it was know that I didn't agree with their line of thought and maybe they should rethink it instead of wasting more time on the same direction. I would say I've learned my lesson, but I'm stupid and will probably do it again in the future

There are 2 choices you could do with a "deadweight" (obviously a huge misnomer. What I mean is one that's taking flak) partner.

You can put so much pressure on him that everyone else backs off (T-Bone did this to me in MGSV)

You can defend him in sly, underhanded ways that would take a lot of finnicky thinking to connect.

I personally think you're trying the second. It's also the one that I look for. My logic may seem oftentimes counterintuitive, but more often than not, it's simply a case of moonlogic.

OK so you're the one who just pointed out that one vote isn't a lot of pressure to get defensive about so again I ask you why I woud apparently be so worried about it

Also, you're very wrong. There are a lot of ways to handle a shitty partner, if we want to suppose for the moment that kdowns-scum apparently would just be playing the worst game on earth right now. Personally I'd be choosing between bussing him and ignoring him. Sorry if you don't know the first thing about playing scum

Sure though if you first decide that we're scum I'm sure you can impute whatever the fuck motivation you want it just won't make you right

[Cephrir]

I feel like you're shooting down attacks but not attacking anyone yourself.

That's accurate. So what? When I feel strongly about a read I'll let you know. Some of us are less hasty than others.

[Cephrir]

Isn't suggesting a Jester a very scummy thing to do, generally?

Isn't having your own opinion instead of asking what you're supposed to think a townie thing to do, generally?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Hippo, it'd be better for you if you weren't, because now it shows that you're just being deliberately obtuse.

... :/

I think I'm okay with letting DS and keyen play their own little game of whatever it is they think they're doing and ignoring them.

Hey DS when you call this comment scummy I'm not going to care

[Cephrir]

hey, Grib!
I just woke up, and I see you have a lot to say to me. I also see you are jumping on the Snarky wagon, but if you wanna buss, I won't stop you.
We can work together for now.

Ceph, we are finally on the same page. I love it. don't let my other head rub you wrong this game!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

oh PS-
Keyen: Call me a bitch again. I dare you.

I don't think it's up to me whether that happens!

[Cephrir]

If anyone is viking anyone it should probably be the players who are going to be hard to deal with/don't make much sense

[Cephrir]

If anyone is viking anyone it should probably be the players who are going to be hard to deal with/don't make much sense

I'll remember this soft-defense of camntsuki once they flip scum.

The only way you're lynching me this game is if you Nightkill everyone with a brain

[Cephrir]

Why am I scum other than for doing the same low hanging fruit thing I do every game?

Is it because I'm starting to comment on things?

Another scumpost. Dang you are knocking these out of the park

[Cephrir]

I do, yes

[Cephrir]

Unless you meant my first post and not my second in which case... well still yes actually. It's not a coincidence that all the players who are attacking me share a common theme

[Cephrir]

VOTE: snarky

trusting you. Can't read the snowman

sheeping me is always questionable, but i appreciate the vote of confidence.

[Cephrir]

hey look at me i'm doubting it

ooooh that's impossible i guess i must be lying

[Cephrir]

yeah, anyone who thinks hiplop could possibly not be bussing snarky? that makes no sense. what a fucking ridiculous thing to say.

[Cephrir]

wow im so glad we've already caught two scum!!!

[Cephrir]

well how about you quit hating on me and then maybe i'll be able to enjoy myself without it being at your expense

[Cephrir]

Setup speculation typically works well.

a) it really doesn't outside of normals
b) you missed the point

[Cephrir]

I can assure you, I am going to be much better at setup spec than you.

I just only do it when it's appropriate, instead of making baseless statements like "every game has a miler or an asceitc." Watch how easy it is for me to debunk that claim.

Let's look at the most recently ended large themes that aren't open setups.

I'm skipping the first two because they don't say what the roles do in the first post.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65809 oh look, no miller or ascetic.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66574 also no miller or ascetic.
another one i'll skip because it would require effort to figure out what the roles are
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66116 and you guessed it, no miller or ascetic.

tell me more about how much you know about typical mafia setups.

[Cephrir]

okay but a) i just showed you why that's stupidand b) no one has claimed negative utility in this game ergo c) shut up??

[Cephrir]

no i'm just really frustrated with ds in general and it's making me not want to do anything except sass him

[Cephrir]

we just went over how they didn't

read

[Cephrir]

But someone had claimed NU earlier.

We just went over how they didn't.

Read.

[Cephrir]

i got a lot of swirlies when i was in middle school

yeah, me too

i'm commander shepard and this is my favorite post on the citadel.

in other words,

same tbh ):

[Cephrir]

that literally couldn't be less true.

[Cephrir]

hiplop radiates charisma he was obviously popular

not that you have any way of knowing that

[Cephrir]

It's called "Mala hates playing scum and hides/misdirects whenever she rolls it"

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=64524

[Cephrir]

that slot could be scum too though

[Cephrir]

(that's because she died halfway through it)

[Cephrir]

Oh god Grib is multi-claiming again...

Oh PGO is so not a scummy claim.

But I mean the joking is obvious to anyone.

~M

Fmpov it is very scummy. I have only seen scum claim it (and claimed it myself)

I mean this might make sense if you ignore the entire context around it that makes it an obvious joke.

Liking MoI more

zzz

im a scum roleblocker and im really happy with a d2 free mislynch.

ugh

yeah i know

SS just feels too good to be true. I hate to say it, but I am half townreading HL. I don't really have a read on the camn hydra though

why do you hate to say like half the things you say

[Cephrir]

Please replace me

no come back ):

why do you expect kuroi to not say dumb things he always says dumb things

[Cephrir]

oh okay

):

[Cephrir]

man i really hate it when the people i signed up to play with start replacing out. what does a guy have to do?

[Cephrir]

Dear townies.

This game is already intolerable, and it's only day 1.
Please, for Cheetory, lets purge.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GRIB

tbf Grib I've considered doing the same to get you and DS out of this game, and I've never seriously pushed a PL before.

Like, you're both being intentionally disruptive. With DS, IIRC I think he just is like that, but with you I don't have that context so...

tbf katsuki powerlurking is par for the curse.

VOTE: grib

Define "disruptive."

drowning the thread with massive volume that doesn't actually say that much

FFS you can't all be scum, right?

VOTE: camntsuki

the only scum i see in this post is you

[Cephrir]

im a scum roleblocker and im really happy with a d2 free mislynch.

ugh

yeah i know

Scummy as fuck quote tampering Ceph. 10/10. Would scum read it again.

So what Mod confirmed Role do YOU expect to be able to be fucked with by a Roleblocker. Serious question.

.....do you understand humor?

friendly neighbor

[Cephrir]

friendly neighbor

also vig, suicide bomber, activateable innocent child...

[Cephrir]

.....do you understand humor?

friendly neighbor

I understand humor. That's not it ....

So you think Mala / Kuroi (I forget which made the claim) is bad enough a player to claim "I'll be confirmed" with a role that can be stopped as opposed to say Innocent Child?

okay im sorry that your life is so sad and humorless

kuroi? yes, yes i do

[Cephrir]

grib, i am just being difficult

[Cephrir]

also vig, suicide bomber, activateable innocent child...

Lol Vig is not Mod Confirmed.
Show me one example on MS of an Innocent Child that can be blocked.
Suicide Bomber renders the point of getting a mislynch on them pointless which was the whole crux of your "funny" post.

Try again?

of course it's not, but people think it is
eh idk i don't see that role much
don't quite get how this is true

[Cephrir]

i was imagining a night version, which i'm pretty sure is something i've seen before

[Cephrir]

i didn't volunteer that opinion, i was asked

[Cephrir]

i'm still voting scum dw

[Cephrir]

yes

[Cephrir]

[redacted snark]

[Cephrir]

camntsuki can't back up their reads. Probably because they're fake, but if they want to prove me wrong, I'm all ears.

Yeah so most non-newbie scum don't just make up reads without having fake reasons. If this ever catches you scum outside road to rome please call me

They aren't engaging anyone to try and read them.

Meh

They claimed with very few votes on them and are getting angry that their claim won't save them.

part i - so what
part ii - i dont think thats true

They claim they can "town it up" but refuse to do so to avoid the N1 kill, which is dumb because it doesn't mesh with their claim.

I have seen camn make this claim elsewhere

[Cephrir]

I can always count on you to shoot stuff down and then call it a day.

I can always count on you to be wrong

[Cephrir]

i have a secret scumread. do you know who it is?

I do not :0

[Cephrir]

Well, Fox, Cephrir, good thing we don't have to convince everyone. That's the beauty of majority.

I could not agree more. If I thought your opinion was going to matter I wouldn't be in this game anymore

[Cephrir]

bro? imperium?

[Cephrir]

probably the second one

[Cephrir]

I’m starting to question if Fox’s read on Camnt is colored by personal like for the individual heads or colored by knowing they aren’t a partner so assuming them to be Town …

they JUST said they didn't have a strong read and didn't think the attacks against them were good.

why don't people understand this is possible?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Waco Kid

ok

[Cephrir]

it's not that bad calm down jeez

[Cephrir]

Ok. That self-vote deserves a lynch with fire.


Town should NEVER EVER SELF VOTE.

ohmygosh really wow i had no idea! thanks for the tip

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

if it's real i'd like to preemptively report katsuki's first post in the dead thread

[Cephrir]

bailey's.

[Cephrir]

if it's real i'd like to preemptively report katsuki's first post in the dead thread

tbh my case against jumping on Waco is ~just not feeling it~, but camntsuki are super obviously town, so...

I'mma sit on my vanity wagon and wait for you guys to see the light.

did you think this post indicated i was scumreading camn? it didn't

also bro is town wow that was easy

[Cephrir]

If I were a Vig I would have shot Ceph ages ago.

that is because you are a terrible scumhunter

[Cephrir]

i mean really step back and look at your scumreads for a second

it's everyone who doesn't agree with you

[Cephrir]

dat amished tell doe

[Cephrir]

sort of, but i can't really explain it.

[Cephrir]

also i probably don't feel as strong about it as that sounded, but strength of townreads is a nebulous concept

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

It's the consistent "honing in on the wrong things" from farside that makes me think he's scum.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

[Cephrir]

And the bolded is interesting because in my mind that is just exactly what you are asking people do with your Waco push. Objectively Waco’s ISO is more Town than Camnt’s to my eye.

??? They are voting Waco because they believe he's scum and have explained why, what are you talking about.

"Objectively...to my eye" is pretty great sentence construction.

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

i don't get how your posts demonstrate he's done that

quoting 7 posts and saying these are dumb does not help me

[Cephrir]

??? They are voting Waco because they believe he's scum and have explained why, what are you talking about.

"Objectively...to my eye" is pretty great sentence construction.

great productive interaction, thanks for trying to help me see your point of view!

man, i thought you were well known for making really good cases and making a lot of sense and that's not what i'm seeing from you here at all

[Cephrir]

i'm not a player who makes a lot of strong pushes early on, no. you seem like you are, though, so i figured you'd try to do it properly and get votes for what you want to do. clearly i do have opinions and a vote.

i'm not ignoring that case, i think snarky is scum so i didn't disagree with you.

i'm not the one who has strong opinions today, that's why. i'll make bigger points if and when i feel like it

[Cephrir]

at least when i disagree with someone you can usually tell why i disagree with them -- you're handwaving imperium's push and i don't understand what your reasoning is for doing so

[Cephrir]

like if you truly want snarky lynched today over waco, i, as someone who suspects both of them, am more than likely one of the votes you're going to need to accomplish that... so i'm surprised your reaction to me asking to be convinced is to tell me why i suck.

[Cephrir]

Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

i don't get how your posts demonstrate he's done that

quoting 7 posts and saying these are dumb does not help me

I said more then that.


Moi: would you humor me and just tell me if what I said about bro makes sense or not.

look you can either make a good faith effort to help me understand or you can be an ass about it and call me stupid.

[Cephrir]

I've played with camnt the hydra several times and i usually think they're scum and they haven't been scum yet

you will have to excuse me being a little hesitant to lynch them for things that are antitown and not necessarily demonstrative of scum motivation. and half of the hydra is consistently antitown and doesn't seem to have changed that here -- i assure you, i would be all about lynching them if i thought they had an even marginally better than random chance of being scum

as it stands they are if anything less useless than certain other players in this game, surprisingly

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

don't worry we'll most likely be relieved of katsuki shortly

[Cephrir]

In all honesty, it's because Ceph's attitude is really pissing me off so I want him out.

[Cephrir]

personal attacks are respectful ok cool

moving on

[Cephrir]

Oh, I like Vendor roles. They're so silly.

Do scum [Fruit] vendors even exist?

Yeah

[Cephrir]

C is for cookie, that's good enough for me

*unvotes*

[Cephrir]

lord spare me you doing that again, lol.

are you scum hoping to rally the people who don't like me

[Cephrir]

lord spare me you doing that again, lol.

are you scum hoping to rally the people who don't like me

Was this directed at me?

yep

[Cephrir]

lord spare me you doing that again, lol.

are you scum hoping to rally the people who don't like me

Was this directed at me?

yep

Ok

Why was that the first thing you jumped to?

why shouldn't it be?

[Cephrir]

Because that's a really arbitrary and quick conclusion to draw based on that one post

Maybe you're nervous??!?!!?!?!?

is it? you asked who was with you and you don't even seem to be done reading

if anything, that seems like a quick conclusion to draw.

[Cephrir]

lord spare me you doing that again, lol.

are you scum hoping to rally the people who don't like me

Wait ... this is the slot you participated in downplaying my scum read on for a not-insignificant amount of time.

And he looks at you sideways after replacing in and suddenly that slot is now possible scum?

*shrug*

maybe maybe not

wasnt really thinking about who he replaced

[Cephrir]

I think you're townreading MOI for being MOI.

He writes a lot of words but I think those words kind of suck

[Cephrir]

Kraska's probably town

-Luna

Agreed

[Cephrir]

Don't be sorry.
Unless you're a top secret alt pretending to be new.
Then you should be sorry.

What?! Excuse me, No. And if all of you really don't like to play with me just because I am a 'newbie' then I can be replaced. Because it looks like that all of you don't want to play with me.

Mafia scum people really are terrifying. This is why I don't want to play here. Can y'all be more friendly?

Never lynching this

Ceph I feel like we're the same person sometimes.

Even though we totally aren't.

You didn't go see drag queens with me and Iec

Pick literally any other activity next time :p

[Cephrir]

And I like Ceph which is why I was like ?????

I was concerned that PYP might contribute to you wanting to get rid of me for some reason

[Cephrir]

zzz

waco or snarky that is all

[Cephrir]

sup dude

[Cephrir]

I'm on page 27 and I can tell reading the rest of this game is going to be hell

you're right

[Cephrir]

oh goody another player just picking random quotes and calling them scummy.

*looks at scum list*
Yup that dude is on the list too, good to know.

[Cephrir]

every once in a while i worry that i'm being taken for a ride by some sort of axis of evil composed of the people who actually make sense

[Cephrir]

tbf that's basically what the scumteam in 167 tried to do >.>

i know

it's hard to feel bad about though, sometimes towns are ridiculous

[Cephrir]

Spiffeh: hypothetical speaking if Waco doesn't flip scum what will that do for your reads?

this is such a classic do nothing question ://

[Cephrir]

ha ha ha ha ha

[Cephrir]

At best, this guy is being bussed, there's scum on this lynch.

yes it turns out very few lynches actually ever have zero scum because probability what is your point

@Farside

- sorry that work has intervened ... I didn't get a chance to write up my thoughts on your case in full.

Short Summary - I don't think you are offbase in thinking Bro is scummy ... while the your case re Selective Post Farming isn't super strong normally there is plenty else there to go along with it.

Thanks for that.
Trying to explain what I see is not my best quality so when Cephrir wasn't getting it I wondered if it was understandable where I was coming from or he wasn't really paying attention

if there was a case there i must be completely brain damaged as ive now read it 5 times and it still looks like a bunch of random quotes and three lines

[Cephrir]

that was a pretty bad post

[Cephrir]

that's a very fortunate SK shot imo

or one of the crazy people is the vig

also i don't know how i'm going to retain my sanity without fox

[Cephrir]

Interesting.

VOTE: keyenpeydee

(Hiplop dies later. keyen gets rope right now)

?????????

VOTE: Hiplop

Happy to start here. My lynch interests lie in approximately descending:

Hiplop – Spiffeh – Snarky – Bro

Hiplop was happy to skate by hiding in his cozy friends group yesterday. No scum-hunting from the slot. His reaction to be called out by me early was not Town.

Spiffeh – These posts should be self-explanatory

Imperium or Fox McCloud (or both) need to be doc-protected tonight, ESPECIALLY if Waco flips scum

They're the only ones keeping town afloat atm

VOTE: Waco Kid

This is absolutely the best lynch for today.

Everything Imperium said about him earlier is spot on.

The complete confidence in the Fox scum read comes out of nowhere; there are a few points in his ISO where he seems to be a little suspicious of them but his "case" on them is obviously reactionary to the wagon on him.

It looks like he realized he's in deep shit and forced a strong opinion to get the heat off him.

And despite this confidence in scum!Fox and taking issue with almost every post they have made since then, his vote has been parked on the most plausible counterwagon option (my slot).

So yeah this can die

Snarky – I’ve already said why he needs to die and Imperium’s strong defense of him adds to that stance.

Bro – More interested in being a jerk and talking about drag queens than hunting scum. Did nothing to fight against the lynch on his so called Top Town read instead just buddied along.

I don't think they're self-explanatory. Care to hold my hand?

I'll have to remember to look back at Bro.

VOTE: Snarky

[Cephrir]

or at least, i guess i probably know what you're getting at re: spiffeh but I think it's kind of weak

[Cephrir]

Spiffeh's posts don't actually seem that bad.

And I'm glad that you've gotten over your petty squabble with me, Cephrir, and can now see that I am obv!town. ^_^

When did I say that?

[Cephrir]

or at least, i guess i probably know what you're getting at re: spiffeh but I think it's kind of weak

Meh you said my reasons for not scum-reading Waco and scum reading Imperium yesterday were weak so I'm not sure why you think downing my thought process would work better to build rapport with me today than it did yesterday given how to lynch and Night worked out ...

Okay my opinion has no value I'll just fuck off then since everyone replies to me asking them to explain things with fuck you ceph....

[Cephrir]

Imperium was definitely a good shot, after they pushed the Waco lynch and hopped off near EoD once it was inevitable.

People jumping to SK over Vig: show your work.

Absolutely do not think that's what they were doing there. Imperium was not afraid of being attacked for being a vote on a town lynch, that is level zero as fuck play

My work is as follows: Imperium are known to be a huge asset as town and their other half, if they were town, would most likely become obvious town after a few days. Even if one suspects them, one should literally never shoot them night 1 as town

[Cephrir]

Medical Junkies also has some explaining to do.

Now that the Friendly Neighbor claim is onthe table I want to know:

Does MJ have more shots?
Why BROseidon?
And mostly, how in the FUCK did they think they would not get roleblocked?
Because I'm currently entertaining the idea of MJ and BRO being scum together.

Who locked heads with imperium on day 1?(sorry didn't read the game overnight) MoI, transcend and who else?
Anyway those are solid town now...I doubt scum would distance like that that early into the game

They would.

Magna is basically my ride-or-die toptown this game, in case that wasn't clear.

Ugh

Agreed -- please don't say things like this especially when it is only Day 2 (you may well be correct about MOI's alignment -- that doesn't make this a good idea ever)

I don't think they're self-explanatory. Care to hold my hand?

But to elaborate instead of being completely snarky -

I've already been over my Camnt's scum read. The fact that main person debating me on that was Imperium scum doesn't dissuade me from thinking it has merit.

Spiffeh's entrance into the game was not very good.

He gets demerits for trying to direct power-roles multiple times (trying to get protective roles to protect Imperium and trying to dissuade anyone from shooting Imperium if a Vig).

In fact his "Snarky MUST be shot" post is one of the reasons I'm not trying to power-lynch Snarky today. If Spiffeh just had terrible reads and played bad yesterday as Town I'll revisit at a later date.

The Waco push I quoted was god awful. Waco wasn't scummy to begin with and had claimed a provable role that, despite the possibility of a scum Fruit Vendor, warranted testing at least Night 1 at the very least. Spiffeh cobbled together some crap that happened to coincide on the dominant wagon and helped finish the mislynch that scum Imperium started.

If you don't think this is worth serious consideration then I don't know what to tell you.

Actually, most of it is beter/more nuanced than I was expecting. I expected the bold to be the thrust of your argument and was prepared to be very underwhelmed by that, but the rest I can see

This is where I currently stand:
Anti's list may differ, but this how I (Luna) currently feel about the game.

Luna's Foxy reads list v 1.0

Strong town:

BROseidon
Spiffeh
Cephrir
hiplop

Towny:

Transcend
Firebringer
kraska77

Imperium (Nachomamma8/Tammy hydra)

keyenpeydee

Medical Junkies (KuroiXHF/Malakittens hydra) (!) <- Pending supposed conf town d2 claim before moving further up.

Grib
kdowns

Leftovers:

DiamondSentinel
farside22
MagnaofIllusion
SnarkySnowman

Waco Kid

Here's Luna's last read list.

I'm trying to work through why Fox would get shot by scum over a number of other high-profile players in this game. N1 shot is best used to remove a townie who has a scumread on one or more of the more townread members of the scumteam. Obviously that wasnt TammyCho.

This makes me think that there's very like 1-2 scum in {DS, farside, MoI}. Snarky being scum probably wouldn't have gotten Fox shot, since Snarky's not a scum member that the team would try to protect until endgame. DS is probably the most likely to be town out of those 3 based on him also getting pretty seriously wagoned day 1 as well.

VOTE: Farside

(hooray using NKA to further things that I already believe!)

I would ordinarily think Fox was the default nightkill for scum here as, in my opinion, the best town player meta-wise in the game (sans perhaps Imperium for obvious reasons). However, the Imperium scum flip changes this a little, as I think they have little to gain from shooting inside our small block of sane players. And I very much suspect farside as well. So... perhaps you're on to something after all?

I had an interesting night....

VOTE: Spiffeh

Aroo?

pedit: omg stop

[Cephrir]

Assuming all of the roles we've seen hinted at are in the setup and town aligned, I pity scum this game. They are kinda getting shat-on.

You are jumping to conclusions

Friendly neighbor isn't a particularly powerful role?

Indeed

VOTE: spiffeh

FB am I doing it right???

Yes, you are.

VOTE: Spiffeh

Cephrir: I'm allowed to change my mind. It's just an expression.

I'm aware

I just had the post quoted and then things changed so I used it as a place to talk about what I wanted to say on the topic

[Cephrir]

i'm guessing no scum roleblocker => no town doctor rip firebringer

but we'll see

[Cephrir]

Friendly neighbor isn't a particularly powerful role?

It's objectively more powerful than IC, as it forces the scum to try to go in a 1v1 with town (if they lie) or to reveal a confirmed townie, if they happen to be chosen.

Also, if scum want to stop it, then it forces them to waste a kill/roleblock on a less-than-favorable slot.

ic is better dude

[Cephrir]

i mean if there's no guilty i'm going back to snarky but *shruglikeabuginarug*

pedit: yeah i'm not going to bother arguing with a wall on that one

[Cephrir]

FB, do you really truly think there's no reason for you to claim -- it's not like you arent going to be an nk target, literally no matter what

[Cephrir]

let's hold our horses for half a damn second -- there is no reason to rush

[Cephrir]

FB, do you really truly think there's no reason for you to claim -- it's not like you arent going to be an nk target, literally no matter what

Not really, but with scum like Spiffeh so desperately trying to push for me to claim, not eager to as well.

he's already claimed VT, what could he say to contradict you? I want to know exactly how hard and fast this is, personally. if you're x-shot or restricted somehow leave that out

[Cephrir]

eh, then again, i dont care that much

[Cephrir]

good point UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

fwiw i do not think the current emotional response is particularly beyond spiffeh as scum

[Cephrir]

What makes you think there's a role blocker? What makes you think our role is worth being blocked?

i) there usually is
ii) did you seriously ask this question my god

[Cephrir]

Additionally, if I might add, mechanically, I trust you, and I have no real scumread on you. You replied with your flavor and roleclaim promptly when asked, so it doesn't seem like you had to look what they claimed up, so that's a plus.

PEdit: I'm going to *hesitantly* state that town shouldn't be worried about "making enemies", since they should know that, given the right play, everything

should

sort itself out in the town's favor, so a little bit of dissonance in the early game isn't an issue.

Sure, you don't want to run around D4 insulting people and using all caps and whatever, but D1-2 isn't a big deal.

[Cephrir]

that is a much better argument thank you

you can be one of the sane ones

[Cephrir]

Like you're insulting my intelligence and person at this point and you need to stop

but he's so wise and experienced and knows everything so it's fine

[Cephrir]

I have a few minutes so my issue with Bro as I said was how he takes a few quotes from players and calls them scum.
He doesn't take everything stated in the game and just votes for those few post he found and calls the player scum.

Here are a few examples.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8249385

What's wrong with that?

[Cephrir]

I have a few minutes so my issue with Bro as I said was how he takes a few quotes from players and calls them scum.
He doesn't take everything stated in the game and just votes for those few post he found and calls the player scum.

Here are a few examples.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8249385

What's wrong with that?

What do you think of farside repeating the "bro is cherrypicking" arguments when all of my reads have been articulated in wholistic/"feels" form, and farside is literally just pointing to the places where I point out specific examples of broader trends?

I think her "case" is horrible and she might be scum

[Cephrir]

I have a few minutes so my issue with Bro as I said was how he takes a few quotes from players and calls them scum.
He doesn't take everything stated in the game and just votes for those few post he found and calls the player scum.

Here are a few examples.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8249385

What's wrong with that?

Oh so it's okay to take a few comments and call a player scum without reading the whole game and taking everything into account?
Seriously?
Because you know he's so call saying I'm doing that shit, you know that right?
I'm just checking to see if you are paying attention or if I have to smack you.

What part of that makes you think he's not reading the game?

Eh, maybe this isn't scum, though.

[Cephrir]

I have a few minutes so my issue with Bro as I said was how he takes a few quotes from players and calls them scum.
He doesn't take everything stated in the game and just votes for those few post he found and calls the player scum.

Here are a few examples.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8249385

What's wrong with that?

What do you think of farside repeating the "bro is cherrypicking" arguments when all of my reads have been articulated in wholistic/"feels" form, and farside is literally just pointing to the places where I point out specific examples of broader trends?

Yeah I quoted the majority.
You want an iso to prove it too.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

There you can point for players where you made something of a case that wasn't on 2 or 3 post from a player.
I fucking dare your lying ass there.

I haven't done that either. Am I scum? I bet I can name 10 other players who haven't done that.

[Cephrir]

Ceph what are your like

thoughts on the game?

I'll give you a reads li see t in a moment. It's probably a stack of waffles but we can find out together.

I realize my thought have not up to this point been particularly well packaged.

[Cephrir]

Kdowns is town as well btw so i don't like the counter wagon.

Explain?
The dude has made one case on one player and lurked most of the game so I'm curious about his read.

Gut and don't think he'd be this shitty as scum.

I encourage you to read Cyberpunk Mafia because I said this exact same thing about Dwlee and it won him the fucking game.

Never put blatant shitiness as "too terrible to be scum". You can do lynch-bait/scumminess for that, but never bad play. If bad play is pro-scum, lynch that mofo.

On account of the mods recent statement I am currently biting my tongue so hard it is literally bleeding.

[Cephrir]

I just clicked my iso by accident

Do you guys remember when I was being fun and upbeat and more positively oriented with my sass? Back when I thought this might be fun? Ah, to be so naive again.

[Cephrir]

im just going to stop quoting ds posts that make me angry, it is not productive

if someone else ever thinks he has a point, then i will step in and disabuse them of that notion

[Cephrir]

{}
{BROseidon, Spiffeh, Transcend, Firebringer, kraska, kdowns}
{DS, farside, Grib, hiplop, keyen, MOI}
{}
{Snarky}

Sir and madam not appearing in this reads list: MJ

There's your waffles

[Cephrir]

ceph why am i not higher????

idk do more

[Cephrir]

well when i rly need to decide if youre town ill read it again!

[Cephrir]

VOTE: snarky

[Cephrir]

Bro, Cephrir, hippy, kdowns.

You basically just admitted I am pure OMGUS???

[Cephrir]

He joined the wagon on Spiffeh with the claim without question.

K that's not scummy

If I recall he had Spiffeh as town most of day one

I don't remember but I don't see how that's relevant to me voting for someone with a guilty on them

He unvote but still throws shade towards Spiffeh and then suddenly has Spiffeh as town again.

Still a guilty as far as I knew, just thought it was possible FB was bullshitting/wantedto do other stuff today...

I can't see any player who had a town read on someone vote for a player without questioning things further.

That's pretty dumb

Also his read list and rational doesn't come from the Cephrir town I've seen where he really thinks things through.

You haven't played with me enough. I am not always the same.

His overall game is basically pooping on players reads and town reading players who he kisses up to.

Meh

Plush he completely ignored the lack of interaction that imp had with bro.

I'm sorry if I don't care about your opinions but that doesn't make me scum

Cephrir is riding low under radar comments with no case to speak of that he has made that explains his reads and shits on those who are making sense.

I'm making enemies all over the place, that's not UTR
I'm really not ever much of a case maker... I make like 0.25 cases per game
The implication here that DS makes sense just makes me want to replace out

[Cephrir]

oh, no i did not have camntsuki as town most of day one

everyone just assumed that because i didn't like the lines of attack on them because no one seems to understand that it is possible to be able to tell an argument sucks without having an angle on whether it happens to coincidentally be right

[Cephrir]

yeah stop saying who you think is scum thats not helpful!!11

[Cephrir]

if the scum wanted me to go off the deep end they made a very good kill, my sanity is rapidly fading

i finally got to be town with anti and they took him away from me

[Cephrir]

you people do not make it easy to be civil

[Cephrir]

you people do not make it easy to be civil

[Cephrir]

i swear i can be fun sometimes

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry you don't like my read list

It's just a read list though...

[Cephrir]

That's pretty silly

But you do you bud

[Cephrir]

reaction

lol this post is so bad

omg hippy stop cherry picking

[Cephrir]

Cephrir, I set the bar so low. Why do you still intend to say things like this? Because BROseidon has to be maximum as town as us. (Us as in Mala and I.) He's vouched for our innocence. If there's anything you could doubt, it would be if he's saying that because we're pretending to be in a neighborhood together. But if that's the case, BRO should be scum too.

But he's not.

This isn't making any sense.

What part of "not appearing in this reads list" sounds like "scum" to you

[Cephrir]

If you believe BRO and buy him as townie, I have to be there. If you think he's lying, he's inherently scum.
I don't even know what you're doing anymore. I think I'll ignore you.

it's because i don't think you're town by play but that doesn't matter and you are town unless bro flips scum

obviously

i don't really care if you're paying attention to me though