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VOTE: Saru

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Has anyone else played with sonia/transcend in the same match

No, why? Is there something we should know?

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Hello I is n00b I just learned how to post on this site I have never won take it easy on me please as I don't know how this game works I am anime weeb desu desu

VOTE: Transcend fking liar

MODS how much may I swear.

....what is that last sentence supposed to mean?

Does this mean that you understood the first part of the post??

VOTE: Sonia
For playing the noob card, but mostly for the lack of punctuation.

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Ha. And are you still claiming that you just learned how to post on this site?

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Lowell is town but I officially don't trust him for jack shit because he makes terrible life decisions

haha ouch! damn, you know I can hear you, right? That's too far for someone you only know online.

Unless by "terrible life decisions" you're referring to the fact that I've been playing on this site for over a decade and have yet to win a game, in which case, yes, you are correct, and carry on.

This will be the first w you get lowell. We both flipped t.

Oh wait you wanna lynch me?

U gon learn boi.

Wait SERIOUSLY?
0% winrate after 10 YEARS?

I don't understand why you were so sure that Sonia was just joking and can't see that Lowell was.

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I don't understand all the Sonia town reads.

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I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

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I'm worried about the content we're going to have to sift through that's not even useful

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My reads are all pretty soft. My town reads are Sonia and Lowell. I still have Tier in my possible scum pile. Gerry is also there. (I need to revisit these two.) I've gone back and forth on Saru a few times, and back and forth on Zyf. Although Zyf has spent more time on the townie side of back and forth than Saru.

I really liked Lowell's post and as a result went back to iso Blackstar and Xkfyu. Transcend had earlier made a case on Xkfyu 630 and 642 that he was agreeing with every case going. Lowell pointed out that Xk's reads list was awful. I also didn't like this post from Xk trying to force himself into a town group.

I now know Transcend is either A) Mafia with Zyr or B) Awful at reading this game and should never play again already stated why Zyr is scum XDDDD

Honestly, all 4 of us are probably town and making a bunch of noise, making it easy for scum to stay under the radar.

VOTE: Xkfyu

I'm really not liking Blackstar's posts re the alleged werewolf scum slip. Lowell pointed out the slip, but obviously Blackstar did not understand it. The slip was that Transcend knew the number of scum in the game in 157, realized that he shouldn't really know that, and backed off the number in 283. Looks to me like even though Blackstar didn't understand the slip, he tried to take advantage of it by pointing the finger at Transcend.

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PL?

Alright this is fucking stupid I can't do this anymore

I'm a 1-Shot BP, ok? That's why I was fucking voting all over the map because then if it looks like I suspect people scum are more likely to try and shoot me at night
this is my first time being a BP so someone please fucking teach me jfc

Uhh no, voting all over the map gets you lynched. Hinting that you have a PR like doc would get you NK'd. It's not that hard to figure out, even if this is your first time being BP. I'm not liking this claim at all.

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If you must replace out, PM me privately and stop posting in thread.

And I'm sorry you're replacing out, but did you read the rules?

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Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
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Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

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Frankly Id say it is fairly obvious I am town right now.

Hehehe.

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VOTE: transcend
Omgus

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BlackStar, you had Transcend at null in your reads, what has he done to change that for you?

Since he came back from his day long absence, his post haven't really had any content in them at all. They're all just him saying stuff like "I'm here" or "I'm town guys". It doesn't feel like he's trying at all anymore

And this.

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I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

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I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

My vote is on Trans. This is BS like most of your posts.

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I'd guess that town does have a doc and that they are not x- shot.

Dwee, I said that I hated Zyf.s claim when he made it. This is not new.

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Okay
VOTE: Texcat

Texcat, talk about Dwlee to me.
Why do you think he's lying along with Zyf?

Dwlee didn't have much choice. Claims that can't be proven are suspect in my book, particularly x-shot ones that explain why they aren't NK.d. Transcend's claim is suspect because I believe it was designed to expose our doc.

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Yes it does. It increases the chances of Mafia not getting a nk by a lot

That's kind of the point.
The BP has a job of being the night target, the doctor has the job of stopping it.

2 shots... Remember that. You are only considering the fact of doctor hitting correctly. The BP claim is useless to the doc claim for obvious reasons.

Exactly! 2 shots. Bologna!

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What exactly do you expect scum to claim?

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I was talking to Dwlee, but feel free to answer. Especially since he doesn't seem to have an answer.

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VT wouldn't really help you not get lynched though. And when you were, you haven't really done much to help your team. Claiming doc helps your team because it helps expose the doc. Add the x-shot in there to help you with any counter claim. Plus it explains why you weren't NK'd.

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@mod

-- my vote should be on Transcend (1332)

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I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

I guess I don't understand what doubtcast means.

I thought it was talking bad about someone without voting them or actually calling them scum. Not what I was doing. Transcend's claim is a pack of lies. Is that still doubtcasting?

I'm pretty sure I do know what fence sitting is. I've never had any other opinion about Zyf's claim. It was bad. I didn't like it. I have never been on the fence about it.

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My vote also looks good.

Your vote is the sole vote on Algebra. What looks good about it?

Don't you have anything to say about the current wagons? Or the claims that have been made?

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Dwee, follow the light dude, there's and end to the tunnel.

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So you won't even LOOK at my posts?
Really?
-sigh-

In mafia you always have to take into account new information. Refusing to do so is silly.

And you won't even LOOK at other candidates for lynch. Really?

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What exactly is awful about it? I'm pointing out what a hypocrite Dwee is. He's asking Sonia to consider other posts/positions when he refuses to do so himself. Calling it awful is a scum move.

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Spoiler: Dwlee tunnel

p sure I already said why, blackstar, but whatevs
I want texcat lynched today.

can we please just lynch texcat like I've been asking

when more people aren't voting texcat
zzz

What exactly do you expect scum to claim?

THIS IS SCUM LYNCH HER

OKAY i'm done lynch texcat now black?

at least I will be alive to push texcat tomorrow >_>

more reminding you to lynch texcat but k

can we lynch texcat yet

Do you have any idea who Dwlee might be scum reading besides me?

You say it's natural to push hard for your chosen scum and I agree, but getting stuck in a tunnel and not considering others is bad. And you, like Dwee, seem to think that it's a good thing to listen to scum about who to lynch. Sonia thinks Dwee is scum.
Why would she listen to him or follow his lead?

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Does anyone still think texcat is town?

Is there anyone who isn't tired of this already?

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And why did you fake claim in this game? Because you were under lynch pressure. And to expose the doc.

Any BS you made up later about saving Algebra was just that, BS.

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transcend did nothing wrong. why the fuck would mafia retract. you guys are so narrow minded.

GERRY YOU WERE THERE DON'T PLAY THAT BS WITH ME YOU COULD OF GOT THE LYNCH OFF HIM AND DIDN'T

I'm not trying to shift the blame off me I know I fucked up and got him lynched but you didn't get it off him when his town play was rly obv at that point

can we just lynch texcat ffs

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Oops hit submit by mistake.

Transcend most certainly did do something wrong. He fake claimed. He made a particularly bad fake claim.

And if that makes him obv town then something is wrong. Obv town's do not fake claim. Particularly when there was no reason to fake claim. The only thing he accomplished was exposing the doc who thought he had to counterclaim.


Dwlee, just argh. If you don't have anything to say, maybe you just consider not posting.

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It looks like Saru is being the voice of reason. I need to reread Blackstar and Xk. I was voting Xk at some point yesterday, but need to review. I don't agree with his Tiershift scum read.

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I'm wondering why Lowell was killed and Algebra is still alive?

I did vote Trans. My vote was on him before his claim and his claim just cemented my position on him.

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Granted that helps, but he's the voice of reason because he's actually trying to do some analysis, and not just sniping.

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Going over kills is one of my least fav things in the game cause of how many bs reasons there can be to a kill but knock yourself out.

It's certainly one of the least productive, but I always find myself examining it anyway.

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I started looking at gerrygoat's ISO

why isnt texcat lynched yet? when i come back i hope he's lynched.

sonia you said you'd lynch tex today, but your vote remains on me. Vote my partner, I'm bussing him.

lol why is tex not dead yet. sonia can you hammer? you said you fos'd him

if he's pr you can blame me. but he's prob maf

sonia stop waitinf for you rmaf partner to fish and hammer already

Im not sure what exactly it is but I really don't like these posts. They kind of give off this desperate vibe. Like dwlee wants texcat lynched badly and it's obvious that he's confident in his scumread, but something about the wording of gerry's posts feels like he doesn't care one way or the other about the flip and just wants a lynch.

VOTE: gerrygoat

One thing that's bad is Gerry trying to get me hammered before I can claim. He goes so far as to beg Sonia, who he's been bitching at all day, to hammer me. And I see that desperate vibe as well. It's obvious to me that he thinks I'm going to claim PR and he's desperately trying to get me lynched before I can claim.

VOTE: gerrygoat

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I can't tell if texcat is being opportunistic by joining the Gerry wagon or if he's town that's sheeping me

I'm the one that Gerry was trying to get lynched in the middle of the night without an opportunity to claim. And I definitely think it's scummy that he was begging Sonia to hammer, NOT begging Sonia to announce intent. So my vote might be considered OMGUS.

Or since I didn't wake up until after you and Mimi had already voted, you could consider opportunistic sheeping.

It's not because Gerry and Sonia won't stop sniping at each other. (I would have voted earlier if that were the case.)

It is because Gerry's actions and posts have been scummy. He stayed under the radar most of yesterday after having an early/RVS wagon on him. He made an OMGUS vote on Tiershift, and then voted and unvoted Sonia. Then we have a lot of posts that say the game is hard.

This game is actually pretty hard, I don't know who I fos besides the vulture picture guy lol

this is a hard game, idk who is maf lol

This game is actually pretty hard, I don't know who I fos besides the vulture picture guy lol

this is a hard game, idk who is maf lol

Are you just gonna keep saying this over and over again?

lol this game is tough

Then we have a vote. Although he sounds very unsure of himself. Leaving his options open?

hello. I think algebra is mafia sided with tiershift. I think those are my reads.

VOTE: algebra

I think I have a better shot of this being lynched.

And that last line bugs me. He doesn't talk about what makes him think Algebra is mafia, only whether he's lynchable or not. Smells like scum to me.

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Saru why did you originally scumread tex because I don't understand

Honestly, I didn't really feel Tex was actually scum up until she voted Gerry. She had no reasons of her own, and only quoted BlackStar. Mooching off other people's reasons for her SR is what she's been doing for a while now.

My scum read of her and you combined was dumb imo and I'm not counting that as the start of my SR of her, fyi.

Did you read 1858 where I laid out the reasons for voting Gerry? Gerry was hiding most of yesterday. It wasn't until he did something really scummy like try to get me hammered in the middle of the night that I wanted to vote him.

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No, I would try to get them lynched. But I would give them the opportunity to claim. I wouldn't try to hammer anyone in the middle of the night without opportunity for claim.

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Hammering without intent and a chance to claim is what SCUM does.

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Hammering without intent and a chance to claim is what SCUM does.

No. If scum does that, they end up scum claiming. That wouldn't work as a strategy on D1 or even D2 for that matter.

People usually see it as too scummy to be scummy

Sometimes sure. But, for the most part, those who do it end up doing it still get lynched. Point is: it's too risky. I just don't see scum doing it.

So why was Gerry begging Sonia to hammer me?

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I LED THE WAGON YOU MORON.

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID THIS GAME HOLY SHIT.

You didn't lead the wagon on me. No one believes that. Even you can't believe that after umpteen million posts from Dwlee about lynching me. Why would you lie about this?

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I was the natural vig target, but unfortunately, I am the vig. Sorry.

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My first thought was to vig Sonia, and I second guessed myself into Saru. I also considered Xk. I should have gone with my first instinct.

I have Dwlee and Tier , and now Xk on my town list. Tier was tracked night one going no where. Tier could still be scum and Xk could be godfather, but I'm not voting there.

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Oops I misread. I shouldn't try to play without a computer. Back this evening.

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I'm back. I misread this morning on that small screen and thought that Vedith had CC'd Sonia.
So we have
Dwlee 1-shot BP
Texcat vig
Sonia non-consecutive cop
Tiershift VT
Blackstar VT
XK? claimed innocent by Sonia
Mimi?

Have I got it?

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So what are the chances of a Godfather? Is there such a thing (a Normal thing) as BP scum? None of Gerry, Algebra, and me had x-shot powers. That's one of the reasons I didn't believe Trans fake claim. Nor were our powers non-consecutive. I'm skeptical of the claim, but I'm not sure it makes sense to vote there. We could always no-lynch today.

I'm pretty sure that scum has a roleblocker -- since they let Algebra live one night. And they can block and kill me tonight. Unless Sonia's telling the truth, then they would block me and kill her. I'm certainly willing to listen to opinions on what I should do tonight.

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who did you target day 1?

I'm thinking dwlee should be investigated by sonia which means lynch vedith and vig one of myself/mimi/blackstar of which I prefer someone that is not me but whatever.

Sonia absolutely needs to be tomorrow's lynch. That gives us confirmed inno(s) or guilties.

I'm just working off the assumption that tex is actually 3rd party because otherwise this game is as good as lost.

P-edit yeah I realised that

I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

If 3 scum, sonia is definitely town, btw. No way tracker/doc/vig/1-shot bp is balanced against a scum RB

P-edit no I believe tex is SK

Wait, how do we know they have a RB?
Did I miss a post?

I am assuming that they roleblocked Algebra on Night One. With no roleblocker, I would have killed him if I were scum.

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I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

So Dwlee is proven BP.

Pretty much. It's possible I was roleblocked, because I was pretty adamant that Trans was fake claiming. Or it's possible that Dwlee was protected by Algebra. But both of those seem extremely unlikely.


We still could no lynch today. I'm not sure it's such a bad option. And it has to be MYLO. It's 5-3 isn't it? Are you thinking it's 6-2>>

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I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

god damnit I knew you did but you weren't supposed to out it
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Yeah, I wasn't going to, but scum have plenty of other targets now. How did you know? Mod told me you weren't informed.

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Why did you target dwlee night 1 texcat?

No ved, texcat can be lying because I'd expect Sk texcat to target lowell which also matches up with the facts.

Duh. Cause I didn't believe his claim. It was easy. I could confirm his claim and kill him if he was lying all in one fell swoop.

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Tex why did you shoot saru last night

I'm really sorry. I thought they were scum obviously. Do my reasons for thinking that matter at this point? It had to do with that post that Saru made that I called the voice of reason and thought that I was not scum and then flipped and started calling for my lynch, but didn't have any real reasons for it. And there was something else that I don't seem to remember right now and am too lazy and mad at myself to go back and look for again.


If we decide to lynch, I think XK is best.

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Sonia wouldn't out her partner. Not when I was calling her claim bullshit.
Xkf is town.

It's Sonia then 2 from Mimi/Tier/Blackstar

And this looks like a scum claim.

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OH crap NVM. I forgot about the INNO result on XK.

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I spent a lot of time debating between Sonia, XK, and Saru last night. All of it wasted because they were all town???

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The problem I have, is that if I were scum and fake claiming cop, there is no way that I would claim Xk innocent. I would claim to have investigated me or Dwlee or Saru. Sonia eliminates a possible mislynch target. I guess it's possible that scum feel that confident, but I would never do it.

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Final call: Dw/Tier/Ved

Do you think Dwlee is BP scum?
Gerry said he tracked Tier no where on N1. Do you think he was the scum that sat out and let Dwlee and Ved take the roleblock and kill?

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Argh. I'm back to where I started, wanting to lynch Sonia for lack of punctuation.

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Assuming sonia is town if we lynch scum and then vigilante shoot the town in mimi / blackstar / tier / vedith we win

Ha. I've done nothing but kill town this game.

I have no clue. All of the people in the pool seem on the same level of scumminess and townieness and it is confusing me.

So I'm not alone.

Vedith is at L-1? I'm willing to hammer whomever we decide. Who is voting Vedith?

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Won't the game be over if Vedith is town?

Dwlee, you're not voting?

I'm certainly willing to target Mimi, but let me just work it out again for myself....

If scum have a roleblocker, they will kill the cop and block me and we'll be at 4-2 tomorrow with no extra knowledge.

If they don't have a roleblocker (or its Vedith), they can only kill me or Sonia.
If Mimi is town, they kill Sonia and I kill Mimi. And we'll be at 3-2.
If Mimi is scum, they kill me and Sonia reports scum. We'll be at 4-2 with a known scum.

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TEXCAT
Trust me
100%
You HAVE TO TARGET MIMI
have to.

Got it.

Don't we also need Sonia to investigate Mimi?

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What's the hurry?

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Congrats!

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I've long held the theory that the longer the scum chat is the more likely they are to win.

I'm really sorry about killing Saru. My first instinct was Sonia. I should have gone with it! I hate being vig.

I town read Vedith based on how pissed off they seemed to be at Trans fake claim. Ugh. And I'd probably do it again.

I enjoyed reading Mastin's analysis in the dead thread. It all made perfect sense, but left me wondering why I find this game so difficult when he makes it sound so easy.

Dwlee, can you talk to me about why you tunneled me so hard. I'd like to prevent that in the future.

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Thanks.

I find that responding to cases often gives them more credibility. And I agree that I made a bad vote. So it was hard to argue about that.

It was hard on Day two when I was pretty sure you were town to attack you and your arguments.

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Thanks for modding, mhsmith. I enjoyed the game. (Although I would have enjoyed it more had I killed Sonia!)

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I like the idea of no cops.