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[BlackStar]

VOTE: Mimikyu

[BlackStar]

I've played with transcend but not Sonia

[BlackStar]

She's asking if we're allowed to curse. I think we can do it as much as we want, but we're not allowed to insult people

[BlackStar]

Sonia is definitely town

?

?

[BlackStar]

He hasn't even explained his townread yet and you're already saying that he might be buddying?

[BlackStar]

Can I vote mimikyu cause I'm jealous of their name? That pokemon is so cute

This does come across as forced. I don't know why you felt the need to ask for permission to vote. And you didn't even vote for mimikyu in the end. It feels weird

VOTE: gerry

[BlackStar]

How is it forced? I practiced my opening at least 5 times........ Darn.

Why didn't you just say what felt natural?

[BlackStar]

I don't even understand what's happening right now

[BlackStar]

i'm bored so i'm just posting filler to hope I get something out of it.

How about you just actually play the game? I'm already getting tired of this trolling nonsense

[BlackStar]

i'm bored so i'm just posting filler to hope I get something out of it.

How about you just actually play the game? I'm already getting tired of this trolling nonsense

Say please and i'll think on it.

Pretty please.

[BlackStar]

Why do you even want Zyf? He's not even that scummy rn

It sounded more like she's saying that as long as Zyf is alive, she'll troll him. Not that she actually scum reads him

[BlackStar]

VOTE: BlackStar

damn six pages in twelve hours, what a nightmare. give me a hot minute or two to come up with a townbloc. transcend isn't going to be on it. I agree with gerry that's he's trying to pocket everyone.

VOTE: blackstar

nor is this guy.

What's this about?

[BlackStar]

And Lowell, why did you immediately try to make yourself a town leader or whatever as soon as you started posting. "Hey guys, let me come up with a town block!" What makes you think that we'd listen to you?

[BlackStar]

It's nice knowing I can do whatever I want in this game and not get scumread because it would be an act on futility

Anyway no tr so far just a slight sr on snake boy for coming up with a weird reason to vote

He didn't give any reason though

[BlackStar]

And Lowell, why did you immediately try to make yourself a town leader or whatever as soon as you started posting. "Hey guys, let me come up with a town block!" What makes you think that we'd listen to you?

Yes, because I'm amazing.

Flailing.

[BlackStar]

I'm here. Who's scum?

Gerrygoat

[BlackStar]

I'm here. Who's scum?

Gerrygoat

Try again.

What makes him town?

[BlackStar]

Can I vote mimikyu cause I'm jealous of their name? That pokemon is so cute

He asks if he can vote for mimikyu instead of just doing it. Scum don't want to make any votes that bring down heat on them and tend to tread carefully. I would've expected someon who was town to just vote. Especially during RVS. Notice that he never actually places the vote down.

Can confirm

Guys, this is typical sonia and gerry. They'll be taking this game seriously in a bit.

lol stop trying to pocket me

Doubtcasting

I won't take this seriously until at least page 5 so don't mind me.

He's trying to drag out the RVS by making troll posts and sarcastic remarks. It benefits town to get out of RVS as soon as possible

Why are my maf partners bussing me? We didn't discuss this

This feels to me like he's nervous about the votes on him and wants to come across as relaxed so he jokes that he's getting bussed. Maybe one of his partners really is bussing him

[BlackStar]

Can I vote mimikyu cause I'm jealous of their name? That pokemon is so cute

He asks if he can vote for mimikyu instead of just doing it. Scum don't want to make any votes that bring down heat on them and tend to tread carefully. I would've expected someon who was town to just vote. Especially during RVS. Notice that he never actually places the vote down.

Can confirm

Guys, this is typical sonia and gerry. They'll be taking this game seriously in a bit.

lol stop trying to pocket me

Doubtcasting

I won't take this seriously until at least page 5 so don't mind me.

He's trying to drag out the RVS by making troll posts and sarcastic remarks. It benefits town to get out of RVS as soon as possible

Why are my maf partners bussing me? We didn't discuss this

This feels to me like he's nervous about the votes on him and wants to come across as relaxed so he jokes that he's getting bussed. Maybe one of his partners really is bussing him

Every single thing you said here is just nonsense, man.

If I didn't know for a fact that you are capable of such things as town, I'd be all over your wagon right now, instead of Zyf's.

Can you explain to me why it's nonsense? I'm tired of hearing stuff like this in every game and I want to get better

[BlackStar]

BlackStar: do people (not just me) tend to fos you a lot (every single time you post)?

Serious question.

Yes. A mislynch wagon forms on me on day 1 in like 80% of my games lol

[BlackStar]

That mimi guy is scum btw

What makes you say that?

[BlackStar]

That mimi guy is scum btw

What makes you say that?

Don't like his posts

Fair enough

[BlackStar]

You don't need to insult people :/

[BlackStar]

It's banter dw

That's not me lol

[BlackStar]

Is the whole Gerry scumread because he isn't voting so you think he's scared? That's not how Gerry play's as mafia at all he can be careful or really aggressive but not scared

If he knows that you can read him as scum, wouldn't he try to play differently?

p-edit: that's the worst reason for scumreading someone I've ever seen. There was a clusterfuck of random trolly stuff going on and you think it was scummy to be confused about it? That makes zero sense

[BlackStar]

VOTE: eagersnake

[BlackStar]

If townies are normally confused at the start of the game, then they will find that unremarkable and not mention it. Whereas scum will find it unusual, and they'll want to emphasize it to seem more town, so they point it out.

I say everything that I feel.

[BlackStar]

I should also note that you're making an awfully big deal over what was essentially an excuse for a random vote.

You brought it back up again and you're justifying it, so obviously it wasn't a random vote.

[BlackStar]

Isn't that L-3?

[BlackStar]

I can't tell if Snake is noob town digging his own grave or just silly scum. Lots of votes on him in a short amount of time is a bit suspect.

Do you have any reads so far?

[BlackStar]

I think snake contradicted himself pretty hard

But saru defending his contradiction looks more like he knows that snake is town rather than actually town reading snake.

I refuse to believe that the forming bw was telling for him as well.

I.

Refuse.

I'm not defending any kind of contradiction. That's a mis-rep. If I were defending him, I'd be questioning people as to why they voted him, which is not the case. Instead, I'm questioning the speed at which the wagon formed.

So if someone is caught in an obvious lie, you think that people shouldn't vote for them?

[BlackStar]

So if someone is caught in an obvious lie, you think that people shouldn't vote for them?

This seems like a loaded question. You'd have to prove to me that it was an "obvious" lie. From my understanding, he's being voted for contradicting himself, not lying. These are two different things. So what's the lie and what's the contradiction?

The contradiction was a lie. He defended his vote and then said it was just an RVS vote. If it was an RVS vote, why was he justifying it so much? Because it wasn't an RVS vote. Which means that he lied.

[BlackStar]

Is it bad i'm laughing?

Yes.

[BlackStar]

This vote doesn't move the entire motherfucking game.

[BlackStar]

So if someone is caught in an obvious lie, you think that people shouldn't vote for them?

This seems like a loaded question. You'd have to prove to me that it was an "obvious" lie. From my understanding, he's being voted for contradicting himself, not lying. These are two different things. So what's the lie and what's the contradiction?

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU'RE TERRIBAD

in a contradiction, one statement is always a lie

The point was whether the lie was "obvious" or not.

GOOD LORD
In a contradiction, one statement is always a lie.
Therefore, since you knew there was a contradiction, you knew one statement HAD to be a lie

fuck the snake wagon let's kill this fucker
VOTE: saru

PEdit-White knight-ing/-ed

herp derp a lie isn't always intentional if the contradiction wasn't intentional.

[BlackStar]

it doesn't matter if the contradiction wasn't intentional
it's not like a scumslip is intentional
I'm liking this saru wagon a lot

Then by that logic, anyone who contradicts themselves is conf-scum? k.
I like my wagon a lot too. Easy way to catch scum when I flip town. hehehe

Yep, all 7 on your lynching wagon will be scum. Good catch.

It'll be easy to tell by their shitty reasoning

whose scum. Don't worry, right after my hammer I'll give the low-down. Town can thank me later.

I don't think you have the right to call anyone's reasoning shitty

[BlackStar]

it doesn't matter if the contradiction wasn't intentional
it's not like a scumslip is intentional
I'm liking this saru wagon a lot

Then by that logic, anyone who contradicts themselves is conf-scum? k.
I like my wagon a lot too. Easy way to catch scum when I flip town. hehehe

Yep, all 7 on your lynching wagon will be scum. Good catch.

It'll be easy to tell by their shitty reasoning whose scum. Don't worry, right after my hammer I'll give the low-down. Town can thank me later.

Well then, what the hell is everyone waiting on? If you can solve it just from your lynch, then sacrificing you to find ALL the scum is a no-brainer.

That's what I'm saying!

I don't consent to my death. I haven't voted myself. y u lie

Y u lie

[BlackStar]

You're not trying to stop your death at all, you're not scum hunting and you're dating people to lynch you. Y u asshole

[BlackStar]

I love how people prob I'm joking when I call Zyr scum but just wait until the night is over.

What do you mean?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Saru

[BlackStar]

1) Why would you do it? So that if/when he flipped town people would be like "oh wow saru was right let's trust them"

Wait, so apparently I'm scum with Snake(which you're 100% sure about) but I'm also scum who is WK-ing a town Snake. What? Guess you contradicted yourself and now you're confirmed scum for that.

Anyways, I'm just going to claim right now because fuck it. Alas, I am but a VT. I hate being VT anyways so whatevs.

After I flip, take a good hard look at both Transcend and Xkfyu because the fight between them looks fake af. Trolling is a convenient excuse that I could use for my posts too, but I'm not scum so. Plus, Transcend's discredit of me just looks so bad lmfao. If I'd have to give a third scum, I'd probably say one of the lurkers.

Mimi is probably town. Gerry is also probably town. inb4 "oh those are Saru's scum partners."

If Zyf is town, then he's just a bad player who thinks questioning speed wagons is scummy. Sad times. He'll learn.

Good luck and cy@ in the dead thread!

I like it.

UNVOTE: Saru

VOTE: Lowell

What do you like about it? You haven't explained your town read

[BlackStar]

So then can't I make the excuse that I made a bad play by defending Snake/Vedit cause I was confident in them being n00b town? Seriously, how many more excuses Zyf.

Your arguments on this page are really really bad. If you're town, then you should just stop talking because you're digger yourself further into the hole

[BlackStar]

What do you like about it? You haven't explained your town read

It's funny that it took this long for someone to ask this.

It's this:

After I flip, take a good hard look at both Transcend and Xkfyu because the fight between them looks fake af. Trolling is a convenient excuse that I could use for my posts too, but I'm not scum so. Plus, Transcend's discredit of me just looks so bad lmfao. If I'd have to give a third scum, I'd probably say one of the lurkers.

If Saru is scum, he knows that any "scum reads" he claims will obviously be ignored. So, this is absolutely pointless for scum to post, and it's more effort than scum would make.

I've seen scum make posts like that in almost every game because then people start to town read them for the same reason that you did. It's NAI

[BlackStar]

I'm calling it now it's Transcend Zyr and Ved

Is there a type of kudo I c n get for all 3 scum being obv cause this is borderline easy

Yeah, you might get a scummy for this

[BlackStar]

What do you like about it? You haven't explained your town read

It's funny that it took this long for someone to ask this.

It's this:

After I flip, take a good hard look at both Transcend and Xkfyu because the fight between them looks fake af. Trolling is a convenient excuse that I could use for my posts too, but I'm not scum so. Plus, Transcend's discredit of me just looks so bad lmfao. If I'd have to give a third scum, I'd probably say one of the lurkers.

If Saru is scum, he knows that any "scum reads" he claims will obviously be ignored. So, this is absolutely pointless for scum to post, and it's more effort than scum would make.

I've seen scum make posts like that in almost every game because then people start to town read them for the same reason that you did. It's NAI

Yeah yeah yeah. He's town, get over it and find another lynch.

[BlackStar]

@xkfyu sorry lol

[BlackStar]

I forgot tiershift was even in his game. And what happened to texcat?

[BlackStar]

*this

[BlackStar]

@Sonia & Xfkyu

Can you quote some stuff to back up the possibility of a transcend, zyf, ved scum team?

[BlackStar]

Tell me how i'm being inconsistent

And I don't.

you said earlier your second choice for wagon was saru
but now you don't
you've changed your mind at least 4 times

Hello welcome to the game of mafia where people change there minds all the time! I already said why I changed my mind and it's not like it w as random PLEASE TRY AGAIN THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEADLOCKS READS ARE SUBBONRN ASSHOLES OR MAFIA

I agree with this lol

[BlackStar]

Can I lynch Transcend today lynch myself tomorrow and then everyone sheeps me and make zyfucker eat rope?

Sacrificing yourself would be dumb. If you really think he's scum then just prove it without dying

[BlackStar]

Lol you've lost your marbles sonia

This is coming from me resident, loses his marbles more than he changes his underwear.

Sonia's play kind of reminds me of Radiant Cowbells

[BlackStar]

God no

Sonia is nothing like RC

They both tunnel hard against people and don't give reasons for it, they both get noisy really easily and they're both hard for me to read

[BlackStar]

God no

Sonia is nothing like RC

They both tunnel hard against people and don't give reasons for it, they both get noisy really easily and they're both hard for me to read

You just described like half the players on this site.

Most of the time I'm pretty good at reading people. I'm bad at explaining things coherently though

[BlackStar]

She's town, dude.

Can you just trust my judgment on this one?

Okay, I guess

[BlackStar]

Where did saru go, btw?

Doesn't matter. He's town.

I still don't really buy that

[BlackStar]

VOTE: zyf

[BlackStar]

VOTE: zyf

lmao

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, how the hell can you not buy that Saru is town, AND vote Zyf in virtually the same breath?

I wanted to see what he'd say and if any scum would see it as an opportunity to jump on the wagon.

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, how the hell can you not buy that Saru is town, AND vote Zyf in virtually the same breath?

I wanted to see what he'd say and if any scum would see it as an opportunity to jump on the wagon.

UNVOTE:

Wait, so you didn't vote Zyf because he claimed Mafia Rolecop?

I doubt anyone would actually scum claim like that in the middle of the game. Especially when only one person was scum reading him

[BlackStar]

I'm gonna pay closer attention to him now though, in case that was real

[BlackStar]

you assholes say I'm giving no reason to vote him when I've been doing that ALL FUCKING GAME if I have to read a 2 page ISO to get his ass lynched I fucking will

I'm interested in seeing how this plays out

[BlackStar]

lol k fuck this why even try when no one takes me srsly w/e i'm done. Yall can let scum win and i'll spam you in post game

>still doesn't even vote me
wtf

Maybe it's some kind of reaction test

[BlackStar]

I just realized that I didn't get back on the Saru wagon after voting zyf

VOTE: saru

[BlackStar]

Okay, so it was L2. Lets think about it for a second. What benefit does claiming VT while scum ever get you?
You have the same chance of getting lynched but you don't take any PR's down with you.

So, what else was on the case?
-Whiteknihting
-Mis use of words

And if Saru was scum with me, why am I not the one being lynched considering I made the lie (well my other body).

And if your reasoning is because Saru was whiteknighting, then I call the bullshit and say, before I commented, whiteknighting here was understood as calling town town for town cred. (This excludes Zyf who has actually said scum buddying, which is more of a realistic answer).

So... You want to be lynched?

[BlackStar]

There's no need for personal insults. And you literally said "if anyone should be getting lynched, it's me". It's not idiotic to intrepret your post the way I did

[BlackStar]

There's no need for personal insults. And you literally said "if anyone should be getting lynched, it's me". It's not idiotic to intrepret your post the way I did

Well, it is. Out of all my comments, you only took that comment.
Can you answer why I wasn't the lead lynch for lying and Saru was for white knighting me / scum buddying (more scum buddying of course).

You were the leading lynch. And then Saru made a bunch of horrible posts that we couldn't ignore and a wagon formed on Saru.

[BlackStar]

@vedith Eagersnake made one contradiction and tried to act like it wasn't one. Saru has made multiple contradictions and acts like he didn't. Saru was the better lynch

[BlackStar]

I'm working on the case against Saru. Hold on for a while

[BlackStar]

I can't tell if Snake is noob town digging his own grave or just silly scum. Lots of votes on him in a short amount of time is a bit suspect.

He thinks that the wagon is suspicious for forming quickly even though it had a justifiable reason for forming: someone being caught in a lie

Speed wagons on D1 don't always mean scum is on it, it mostly depends on the person being wagoned. I'm slightly leaning towards Snake being noob town who is trying to show off by making what he thinks are astute observations. So that being said, there's a good chance scum is on his wagon, as he is easy prey for them.

Not saying this can't happen, but I have never seen noobtown enter a game and try to show off. Seems like a stretch for such an early read.

Well reads need to start somewhere, no?

His logic is ripped apart here and instead of acknowledging that, he weakly tries to keep justifying what he said.

I think snake contradicted himself pretty hard

But saru defending his contradiction looks more like he knows that snake is town rather than actually town reading snake.

I refuse to believe that the forming bw was telling for him as well.

I.

Refuse.

I'm not defending any kind of contradiction

. That's a mis-rep.

So if someone is caught in an obvious lie, you think that people shouldn't vote for them?

This seems like a loaded question. You'd have to prove to me that it was an "obvious" lie. From my understanding,

he's being voted for contradicting himself

, not lying. These are two different things. So what's the lie and what's the contradiction?

The contradiction was a lie. He defended his vote and then said it was just an RVS vote. If it was an RVS vote, why was he justifying it so much? Because it wasn't an RVS vote. Which means that he lied.

This is a good point, and that's why I said I wasn't sure at the start whether he was silly scum or not,

because that kind of blatant contradicting

is hard(but not impossible) for scum to do at the start of the game, as they tend to be more cautious overall in relation to that. I assume that newer players are more prone to making contradictions than their experienced counterparts, but whether that newer player is town or scum is where things start to get complicated.

I'm going to wait and see what Snake has to say about his experience level and the wagon that formed on him before I decide to cast a vote.

He said he wasn't defending a contradiction in one post, and then in all the posts after that he admits that Eagersnake contradicted himself but still tries to say that the contradiction wasn't scummy. We all know that he'd been defending eager, but he keeps denying it and it looks to me like he wants to distance himself from eager.

Okay then saru: why do you get mled so much?

Thanks for understanding

Guess I'm just naturally scummy. Sad times.

Weak ATE

Ok so if snake is town, then who do you think is scum Mr. Saru?

I don't think Snake is town. Try again Mr.Transcend.

If you don't think he's town, why have you been questioning his wagon? Why have you been protecting him all this time?

it doesn't matter if the contradiction wasn't intentional
it's not like a scumslip is intentional
I'm liking this saru wagon a lot

Then by that logic, anyone who contradicts themselves is conf-scum? k.
I like my wagon a lot too. Easy way to catch scum when I flip town. hehehe

Yep, all 7 on your lynching wagon will be scum. Good catch.

It'll be easy to tell by their shitty reasoning whose scum. Don't worry, right after my hammer I'll give the low-down. Town can thank me later.

Well then, what the hell is everyone waiting on? If you can solve it just from your lynch, then sacrificing you to find ALL the scum is a no-brainer.

That's what I'm saying!

I don't consent to my death. I haven't voted myself. y u lie

Another contradiction

[BlackStar]

I'm working on the case against Saru. Hold on for a while

And you wonder why you are constantly mislynched...

What? I don't have cases prepared on everyone just waiting to be used. I have suspicions about people and then when it gets really strong or someone asks me for a case, then I make one.

[BlackStar]

I'm working on the case against Saru. Hold on for a while

And you wonder why you are constantly mislynched...

What? I don't have cases prepared on everyone just waiting to be used. I have suspicions about people and then when it gets really strong or someone asks me for a case, then I make one.

Lol once again, you don't read context.

I was talking about the fact that you still believe there to be a case on Saru, not that you didn't have one ready to lay out.

That has nothing to do with context. Your post could've been read either way. If you want people to understand you, say what you mean instead of being snarky. And there is a case on Saru. I just made it

[BlackStar]

1) Did I say I hated them?

2) I did look at them, saw a couple comments from each, but obviously limited post counts which indicated lurking to me (clearly wrong on the Sonia one).

3) This only works if I'm terrible terrible noobscum, which A) I'm not a noob and B) I'm not scum.

1) This is what you said:

Hey why don't we hate MariaR or Tiershift more?

That's close enough.

2) And blindly pushing lurkers as scum, when so much else has happened, is scummy.

3) I assume you'll understand if I don't just take your word for it?

1) Not really. Goal was to get other people thinking about some lurkers, since scum would have an especially easy time lurking in this game with all the walling back and forth.

2) See 1). We can focus on all of the walling when all of

the scum could possibly be contained in individuals with 15 posts or less.

3) Nope

Clearly you see that lurkers are problematic because 2/3 of your scum are borderline lurkers.

Do you think this is the case?

[BlackStar]

He thinks that the wagon is suspicious for forming quickly even though it had a justifiable reason for forming: someone being caught in a lie

lol what? You're assuming that I think that contradictions are just inherently scummy, which I don't. It depends on the person making the contradictions. I've said that n00b town are more prone to making contradictions and plus, the one that Snake made was so minor that a speed wagon like that is suspect. If contradictions were just plain scummy, I'd be voting Zyf right now whose made a couple himself, but I'm not. Also, apparently, using your logic, Zyf is scum right alongside me because he's denied making contradictions aswell by saying he was "exaggerating." I find it hard to believe you think Zyf and I are both scum.

His logic is ripped apart here and instead of acknowledging that, he weakly tries to keep justifying what he said.

Ripped apart? lmfao. How was my logic ripped apart? Mimi said that it wasn't impossible for a n00b town to come and try to show it off, only that he hadn't seen it himself. Apparently anecdotal experiences are enough to rip logic apart?

He said he wasn't defending a contradiction in one post, and then in all the posts after that he admits that Eagersnake contradicted himself but still tries to say that the contradiction wasn't scummy. We all know that he'd been defending eager, but he keeps denying it and it looks to me like he wants to distance himself from eager.

The amount of convolution here is real. If I was trying to distance myself from my scum partner, that means I would have voted him outright with some lame excuse instead of questioning his wagon. Questioning his wagon WHEN NO ELSE WAS will make it almost impossible for people to not scumread him and I together. Apparently, according to you, I would reveal myself and my scum partner just a couple pages into a game. Yeah....no.

Weak ATE

Weren't you the one that said that you get ML'd as town aswell?

If you don't think he's town, why have you been questioning his wagon? Why have you been protecting him all this time?

Oh, the semantics are real with this one. I don't think he's ONE HUNDERED percent town. Do I really have to point that out? His contradiction itself isn't enough for me to scum read him, but he also hasn't done anything to this point that would make me say he's town OUTRIGHT. A slight(and I mean slight) town read comes from me thinking he's a n00b town who contradicted himself. His replace post indicates to me that my feelings are not unfounded.

Another contradiction

That wasn't a contradiction. I was saying that I agree you could probably solve the game from my lynch by looking at the shitty reasoning for the votes on me(slight trolling), not that I agree wholeheartedly to my own lynch. Reach more please.

Anything else?

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Who do you think is making empty posts so far?

[BlackStar]

My best guess for the

3 (usually there's 3 scum) wolves

are texcat eager and saru

This actually might be a scum slip. Do we know if there are werewolves in this game?

[BlackStar]

HEY GUYS I GOT A SOLID IDEA

IT INVOLVES LYNCHING

THE GUY THAT

HARDCLAIMED MAFIA

WHOSE NAME IS

NONE OTHER THAN

SARU

TRY IT OUT MAYBE

When did that happen?

[BlackStar]

what an amazing way to treat someone who just got back from afk aka piling votes on them

instead of piling the votes on saru,

hardclaimed mafia scum

.

When did that happen? You keep saying this but you're not explaining how he hard claimed

[BlackStar]

My best guess for the

3 (usually there's 3 scum) wolves

are texcat eager and saru

This actually might be a scum slip. Do we know if there are werewolves in this game?

[BlackStar]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BlackStar]

I've never heard people call the scum team wolves, but whatever

[BlackStar]

Sorry that I couldn't post today. I'll try to catch up quickly

[BlackStar]

That's how I scum hunt. I hate saying it, but I this is literally the best I can do. It's pretty weak that you want to lynch me for being bad at scum hunting. I've been trying my hardest to get scum lynched this whole time and trying to figure people out. What have you done tiershift? Lurk for days on end and then attempt to start a wagon for the flimsiest reason ever. I don't buy that you really believe I'm scum.

VOTE: tiershift

[BlackStar]

My reads are all pretty soft. My town reads are Sonia and Lowell. I still have Tier in my possible scum pile. Gerry is also there. (I need to revisit these two.) I've gone back and forth on Saru a few times, and back and forth on Zyf. Although Zyf has spent more time on the townie side of back and forth than Saru.

I really liked Lowell's post and as a result went back to iso Blackstar and Xkfyu. Transcend had earlier made a case on Xkfyu 630 and 642 that he was agreeing with every case going. Lowell pointed out that Xk's reads list was awful. I also didn't like this post from Xk trying to force himself into a town group.

I now know Transcend is either A) Mafia with Zyr or B) Awful at reading this game and should never play again already stated why Zyr is scum XDDDD

Honestly, all 4 of us are probably town and making a bunch of noise, making it easy for scum to stay under the radar.

VOTE: Xkfyu

I'm really not liking Blackstar's posts re the alleged werewolf scum slip. Lowell pointed out the slip, but obviously Blackstar did not understand it. The slip was that Transcend knew the number of scum in the game in 157, realized that he shouldn't really know that, and backed off the number in 283. Looks to me like even though Blackstar didn't understand the slip, he tried to take advantage of it by pointing the finger at Transcend.

I didn't take advantage of anything. Lowel pointed out what he thought was a slip, and then I said "yeah, that might actually be a slip"

[BlackStar]

That's how I scum hunt. I hate saying it, but I this is literally the best I can do. It's pretty weak that you want to lynch me for being bad at scum hunting. I've been trying my hardest to get scum lynched this whole time and trying to figure people out. What have you done tiershift? Lurk for days on end and then attempt to start a wagon for the flimsiest reason ever. I don't buy that you really believe I'm scum.

VOTE: tiershift

No blackstar, no. I'm not voting you for being bad at scumhunting. I'm voting you for NOT scumhunting.

You have not voted anyone since saru, true or not?
You have not been pushing your scumspects since, true or not?

Voting me for trying to build a new wagon after lurking is pathetic.

I was busy all day yesterday. Calling me scum for doing stuff in the real world is pathetic. And thanks for admitting that you were a lurker.

[BlackStar]

Blackstar admit's he's bad at scumhunting so I think he's scared of wanting to scumhunt and get it wrong honestly still can't find that block button for zyf

I'm not scared at scum hunting. I just can do it the way that most people like. I vote people I suspect and point out scummy stuff as it happens. That's about it

[BlackStar]

*can't

[BlackStar]

PL?

Alright this is fucking stupid I can't do this anymore

I'm a 1-Shot BP, ok? That's why I was fucking voting all over the map because then if it looks like I suspect people scum are more likely to try and shoot me at night
this is my first time being a BP so someone please fucking teach me jfc

if that's true, why would you admit that now? You weren't even close to L-1 and now scum won't ever want to night kill you. It's a waste

[BlackStar]

Well here's the problem. You're obviously never going to be NK'd now if you're town, so we can never actually confirm your role. For all intents and purposes, you are a VT at this point if you're telling the truth.

I am leaving my vote as is.

What the actual fuck no
VOTE: Mimikyu

for all intents and purposes I'm conftown in a LYLO situation that's not going to die before then and if I am, I'll know directly beforehand.

Also, I would have no reason to lie if I was scum (which I'm not) because I'm not claiming with 6 people on my wagon–there's one person tunneling the fuck out of me and there's one that can only say I'm scummy for hypocrisy?

PL?

Alright this is fucking stupid I can't do this anymore

I'm a 1-Shot BP, ok? That's why I was fucking voting all over the map because then if it looks like I suspect people scum are more likely to try and shoot me at night
this is my first time being a BP so someone please fucking teach me jfc

if that's true, why would you admit that now? You weren't even close to L-1 and now scum won't ever want to night kill you. It's a waste

1) it's not a fucking joke
2) because by the time I'm L-1 it'll probably be late-day
3) It WOULDN'T be a waste if sonia and mimi (who i think are both town) would stop tunneling me and start voting actual scum
but no, I'm lying scum trying to save my ass from a grand total of 2 people

VOTE: Xkfyu

Why'd you change your vote so quickly? I'm writing out the reads list you asked for, by the way

[BlackStar]

Tiershift- scum
Xfkyu- town lean
Algebra-scum lean
Gerrygoat-null
Sonia-town
Saru-town
Vedith- scum
Transcend- null
Mimikyu-town
Zyf- scum
Texcat- scum lean
Lowell- town

[BlackStar]

Don't replace out :/

[BlackStar]

why town on xf blackstar

His posts always felt genuine to me

[BlackStar]

why should I
I'm dealing with an idiot who thinks I'm scum
inb4 replacing out means I'm just scared scum
lol I can read your mind

You started acting like scared scum way before you replaced out

[BlackStar]

Tier, what do you think about zyf?

[BlackStar]

@Lowell

What's the case on texcat, besides him barely posting

[BlackStar]

Zyf claimed 1-shot bulletproof

[BlackStar]

VOTE: dwlee

[BlackStar]

This game is actually pretty hard, I don't know who I fos besides the vulture picture guy lol

this is a hard game, idk who is maf lol

Are you just gonna keep saying this over and over again?

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Okay smart ones guess i'm wrong! still think scum is obv af and you're just letting them lead you but okay!

If you really believe someone is scum then you should keep fighting to get them lynched

[BlackStar]

Vedith, have a look at the posts that Trandscend said he was trolling me in. They start at Post 312 and end at Post 351.

I have some thoughts on them, but I'd like to hear your opinion on them first.

Why'd you wait until now to ask this?

[BlackStar]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

[BlackStar]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

Yeah, Mimikyu has been town as hell

[BlackStar]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

This objection is scum, btw.

It's not an objection. I just thought it was funny that you said your reads were good right after you said you had half of us as scum suspects. What about that post is scummy?

[BlackStar]

That should also answer BlackStar's previous question about why I hadn't asked before now.

Yeah, thanks

[BlackStar]

It seems like you don't know what the word objection means

[BlackStar]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

This objection is scum, btw.

It's not an objection.

I just thought it was funny

that you said your reads were good right after you said you had half of us as scum suspects. What about that post is scummy?

Reading comprehension is your friend

[BlackStar]

feeling of disapproval

the only disapproval i have is that you're trying to make something out of nothing

[BlackStar]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

Yeah, Mimikyu has been town as hell

I was previously town reading him as well, but I certainly wouldn't say that he's been "town as hell." What specifically makes you say that?

He's scum hunting, it doesn't feel like his posts have an ulterior motive and his reads match up with mine for the most part

[BlackStar]

ur scum

Only scum would use a foo fighters song against someone

[BlackStar]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

Yeah, Mimikyu has been town as hell

I was previously town reading him as well, but I certainly wouldn't say that he's been "town as hell." What specifically makes you say that?

He's scum hunting, it doesn't feel like his posts have an ulterior motive and his reads match up with mine for the most part

Ok, I'd mostly agree with you, except for lately. You can't see any ulterior motives in his latest posts? Specifically the ones that I have questioned?

I see why you think that, but it just doesn't feel that way to me

[BlackStar]

can we lynch blackstar yet

It's not happening lol

[BlackStar]

What's isp?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: transcend

[BlackStar]

Im actually having no cake. I do not celebrate my birthday. And the point is that maybe people will stop wagoning town and lynch blackstar instead.

I've been waiting for you to give any reason for your scumread on me, but it seems like you're waiting for someone to ask you. Okay, why do you scum read me?

[BlackStar]

I'm town!

That's pretty convincing

[BlackStar]

p sure I already said why, blackstar, but whatevs
I want texcat lynched today.

You definitely didn't.

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, you had Transcend at null in your reads, what has he done to change that for you?

Since he came back from his day long absence, his post haven't really had any content in them at all. They're all just him saying stuff like "I'm here" or "I'm town guys". It doesn't feel like he's trying at all anymore

[BlackStar]

2-shot doc is possible with a bp.

It sounds unbalanced as hell

[BlackStar]

2-shot doc is possible with a bp.

It sounds unbalanced as hell

no it doesn't
at all

Yes it does. It increases the chances of Mafia not getting a nk by a lot

[BlackStar]

Good point lol

[BlackStar]

I don't do setup spec

[BlackStar]

Are you talking to me or DW?

[BlackStar]

^^

[BlackStar]

VT would be less suspicious though because it wouldn't seem like you're trying to save yourself

[BlackStar]

You're acting like a spoiled kid who ain't getting his way, so it's making me not want to listen to you

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:

[BlackStar]

Zzzz

[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

Okay

[BlackStar]

VOTE: texcat

[BlackStar]

And mine is on texcat

[BlackStar]

yeah that's not a case

Do you have any cases to share?

[BlackStar]

Do you really want to take the risk of lunching the doctor?

[BlackStar]

*lynching

[BlackStar]

It pinged me too, but I thought I was being paranoid

[BlackStar]

not really. i said it was just paranoia

[BlackStar]

People on the transcend wagon, can you explain why you're okay with possibly lynching the doc?

[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

Like I don't think anyone here understands how much it makes me sad/upset that when I try to out a read people are like "she's mad sh she's wrong" or "Yeah no" It makes me feel brushed aside and pointless but w/e that's me just putting my emotions in a thread same old same old

A lot of the time it feels like you're just telling "this person is scum" over and over again and not going into why you think that. No offense, but it shouldn't surprise you if people don't want to follow you

[BlackStar]

So you won't even LOOK at my posts?
Really?
-sigh-

In mafia you always have to take into account new information. Refusing to do so is silly.

And you won't even LOOK at other candidates for lynch. Really?

This is such an awful post.

[BlackStar]

What exactly is awful about it? I'm pointing out what a hypocrite Dwee is. He's asking Sonia to consider other posts/positions when he refuses to do so himself. Calling it awful is a scum move.

I'm not going to pretend that I know his thoughts, but its not like he's said that he's not willing to lynch anyone else. If you strongly believe someone is scum of course you're gonna push for their lynch. That's normal. What Sonia was sayinf was that she thinks Dw is scum so she isn't going to pay attention to his reads at all. Those are two different things. You rushing to point out the "hypocrisy" felt like a desperate scum attempt to cast doubt. And then you did it again when I called your post awful.

[BlackStar]

She doesn't need to follow someone she scumreads. Just point out why his reads are bad/untrustworthy and maybe analyze what he says to figure out who his scum partners are. Sonia has been saying that she's just going to completely disregard his reads. For all she knows he might say something that will change her mind about him, but she's just ignoring him completely

[BlackStar]

VOTE: transcend This guy already scum claimed. Why is he still breathing?

[BlackStar]

wasn't that L-1?

[BlackStar]

wasn't that L-1?

Yeah the guy is obviously trolling

I don't understand why ved is still not voting him what do you think

Idk. Maybe he's one of those people who believes in "too scummy to be scum"

[BlackStar]

You're all allowed to fuck yourselves when I flip VT btw.

If it wasn't L-1 I'll just hammer myself now.

Fuck you all.

Worst table I've played with on this site.

VOTE: Transcend

first self vote ever

Cripes, do you really believe that this is good play?

[BlackStar]

I dedicate this song to you, Transcend.

[BlackStar]

He was never in danger of being one of the main lynches. It was down to you or texcat.

[BlackStar]

I

SAID

FUCK

OFF

if i had a better table aka not 11 failed abortions and ONE COMPETENT PLAYER (dwlee) WHO WAS ASLEEP WHEN THESE SHENANIGANS HAPPENED

I WOULDNT HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

BUT YOURE ALLF UCKING SHIT

Fuck you. The worst players are the ones who blame their crappy mistakes one everyone else. You're starting to sound just like someone else I know. Anyways, how the fuck does what you've been saying sound like good logic to you. "I dropped invisible hints to algebra that I knew he was doc and then claimed his role and expected him not to counter claim". Wtf is that? I can't believe that you believe that sounds logical. Ever since the cc all you've been doing is trolling. Shut up and take your lynch like a man.

[BlackStar]

dwlee it was inevitable that 11 idiots weren't gonna figure out i was town

you have one shot of immunity at night, please carry this game for me. we're on the same page.

pedit: i know you didn't lynch me, but i'm explaining how my play was not playing against my wincon.

ppedit: i made no mistake whatsoever. i'm taking my lynch like a man, hence why i self hammered. i'm happy to be out of this cesspool of a game.

Its only a cesspool beacuse you're running around crying about getting caught

[BlackStar]

*because

[BlackStar]

I can't because there's no way in hell you won't be red

[BlackStar]

What happened? I thought you weren't going to post anymore

[BlackStar]

I raise you $999999999

[BlackStar]

Transcend, sorry for the stuff I said when I was sure you were scum. I feel like an idiot now.

VOTE: Dwlee99

I was fine with a 2-Shot Doctor and a 1-Shot BP coexisting, but I'm not buying the 1-Shot BP claim, now that we know the Doctor isn't just a 2-Shot.

Didn't someone post a link earlier of a game that had a doctor and a bulletproof townie?

VOTE: texcat

[BlackStar]

can we just lynch texcat ffs

Gerry is trying to take attention away from his scum buddy

[BlackStar]

can we just lynch texcat ffs

Gerry is trying to take attention away from his scum buddy

Then join the gerry bw moron?

I'm staying on the Tex wagon.

[BlackStar]

So you Gerry is bussing Tex?

No, I said he's fighting with you to distract us from the wagon that was forming on texcat.

[BlackStar]

Oh, I didn't see that he was voting him. In that case forget what I said. I'm gonna shut up, because I'm doing really badly so far

[BlackStar]

He already has 3 votes on him. Calm down

[BlackStar]

@Saru That part where you said I only ask Xfkyu stuff is definitely not true. And I don't know what you mean by "too friendly". I don't think I've responded to him any differently than how I talk to anyone else. You said I make a lot of naked votes. Guess what? Almost everyone does that. I expect people to ask me why I vote for the people I vote for. If you don't ask me for my reasoning, then you only have yourself to blame if you don't know why I voted for whoever I voted for. I also don't see how making a case up on the spot in scummy. Why would I have cases pre made for everyone. I know why I think people are scummy but I don't sit down and make a list of every scummy thing as it happens. So basically, you scum read me solely because you don't like my playstyle.

[BlackStar]

It looks like Saru is being the voice of reason. I need to reread Blackstar and Xk. I was voting Xk at some point yesterday, but need to review. I don't agree with his Tiershift scum read.

He's the voice of reason because he won't vote for you?

[BlackStar]

@Saru That part where you said I only ask Xfkyu stuff is definitely not true. And I don't know what you mean by "too friendly". I don't think I've responded to him any differently than how I talk to anyone else. You said I make a lot of naked votes. Guess what? Almost everyone does that. I expect people to ask me why I vote for the people I vote for. If you don't ask me for my reasoning, then you only have yourself to blame if you don't know why I voted for whoever I voted for. I also don't see how making a case up on the spot in scummy. Why would I have cases pre made for everyone. I know why I think people are scummy but I don't sit down and make a list of every scummy thing as it happens. So basically, you scum read me solely because you don't like my playstyle.

lol you're only making my scum read of you worse with a post like this. Throwing shade unto others isn't going to help you here. "Don't single me out because everyone else does it!" is basically your argument for your naked votes. I'm not sure I see other players who have made 4 naked votes in a row(all on the major wagons btw) like you have, but feel free to correct me.

So apparently you think your playstyle is scummy in general? Is that why you think you get ML'd so much on D1, like you said previous? If so, it'd be nice if you could actually show me games where you played scummy on D1 and which ended in your mis-lynch. I'm sure you're just the most scummiest townie in existence, and this is all a misunderstanding.

And yes, you've been talking to Xkfyu with a pretty different demeanor overall. You've asked him twice for advice on how you could play better(unwarranted), which you've not done with any other player. When Xkfyu said "Yeah, yeah, Saru is town, go find another lynch", instead of choosing to question at that very moment why Xkfyu thought this way, you gave a little gimmicky GIF and moved on. Heck, you even apologized to him for making him laugh while he was at work because of that GIF. Oh, how sweet of you. <3

You haven't CHALLENGED Xkfyu on any points that he's made with which you disagreed. Instead, you shrugged them off with little to no reasoning. This is EXTREMELY scum partner interaction. The friendliness doesn't come from agreeing with all his points, but instead of not choosing to further question his disagreements with you. It feels like to me you don't want to put your partner in a bad light, but you're fine with doing that to others.

I didn't cast shade on anyone. I was saying that its normal to naked vote. I haven't beent alking to Xfkyu differently. I have no idea how you see that but maybe you should get your glasses checked If someone said that they're gonna get in trouble at work for laughing why wouldn't I say sorry? Your arguments are ridiculously dumb. What points has he made that I shruged off? And your last sentence is more baseless bs. You're full confirmation bias death tunnel mode. Oh, and you said that you wanted to see a game where I was scummy as town? Give me a couple of minutes and I'll show you

[BlackStar]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64085
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=64698
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66474 (wasn't lynched here but was dangerously close to it like 3 times on day one)

[BlackStar]

In that last one, I replaced out when day 1 ended so its not like you need to read all of it. Someon made what looked like a scum slip and a wagon started to form. One person said "We found scum guys, lets lynch him!" or something to that effect and then I said "Do you really think scum would make it that easy to find them?" and then throughout the day people kept trying to say that I was defending that scummy guy so that meant the two of us were scum buddies. And when I'm under pressure, people say that I react badly and use bad logic so then more people scum read me. When I got to L-2 I self voted to get the wagon off me and it worked and then it came back on me later for some reason I don't remember. If you want to see if my playstyle lines up in this game with my usual town play, look at any of my games. I only have one scum game. Its here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=64831

[BlackStar]

I started looking at gerrygoat's ISO

why isnt texcat lynched yet? when i come back i hope he's lynched.

sonia you said you'd lynch tex today, but your vote remains on me. Vote my partner, I'm bussing him.

lol why is tex not dead yet. sonia can you hammer? you said you fos'd him

if he's pr you can blame me. but he's prob maf

sonia stop waitinf for you rmaf partner to fish and hammer already

Im not sure what exactly it is but I really don't like these posts. They kind of give off this desperate vibe. Like dwlee wants texcat lynched badly and it's obvious that he's confident in his scumread, but something about the wording of gerry's posts feels like he doesn't care one way or the other about the flip and just wants a lynch.

VOTE: gerrygoat

[BlackStar]

Must have been a lot of pancakes

[BlackStar]

I can't tell if texcat is being opportunistic by joining the Gerry wagon or if he's town that's sheeping me

[BlackStar]

wtf is wrong with everyone? don't hammer yourself. that's just playing against wincon. And lol at scumreading me just because I voted for you

[BlackStar]

wtf is wrong with everyone? don't hammer yourself. that's just playing against wincon. And lol at scumreading me just because I voted for you

oh. luckily I decided to just ignore sonia's posts and read others, since she's garbage or mafia. I fos you because you say right away "LOOK AT GERRY TRYING TO GET ATTENTION OFF HIS SCUMPARTNER TEX BY ARGUING WITH SONIA" Then it's pointed out that I'm voting tex. And you say you were wrong. Then it feels like a few hours you try again to get votes on me for pushing on (YOUR FOS???) can you explain that?

I already said that the wording and tone of your posts feels like scum who's eager for a mislynch. I don't know if that's actually the case, but the feeling was strong enough for me to vote you. Plus someone else commented that the tex wagon hasn't had much resistance and that's true. It seemed too good to be true. If you weren't paying attention, I'm still wary of texcat. His vote on your wagon felt a little gross, but your posts since the wagon formed have been so bad that it feels like we're on the right track.

[BlackStar]

Also one thing I should point out. Sonia has never been able to correctly read me in forum mafia. ever. Every time I'm town she pushes on me, and everytime I'm mafia she TRs me. So that's one way i say she's being garbage. But, I can also see her doing this as mafia too.

If its normal for her to read you wrong, then why are you making such a big deal and acting like she's playing much worse than usual?

[BlackStar]

Seriously yesterday gerryoat was "lol this game is tough". And today he is ultra-serious and confident. What happened?

He got coached during the night lol

[BlackStar]

I MAKE A CASE. TELL PEOPLE TO READ MY CASE. EVERYONE IGNORES MY CASE. ONE PERSON TELLS ME IT ISNT A CASE. I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT TEXCAT IS SCUM CAUSE OF MY CASE. YOU TELL ME TO MAKE A FUCKING CASE. I TELL YOU THERE ALREADY IS A CASE. "WELL ENGAGE PEOPLE ON IT"
what
the
fuck

"There is no case"
"make a case"
"engage people on your case"
no, fuck you.
It is your job to read my case and respond to it if you think it is wrong. I shouldn't have to sit here and go through this same bullshit of "YOU DIDNT EVEN MAKE A CASE, DWLEE!?!?!" and then have to explain everything. If you have a problem with my fucking case SAY IT and I will tell you why you're wrong. Don't sit here and expect me to spoon feed you everything.
pedit see this ^^^

Certainly you would agree that asking questions is a better way to get people to vote your scumread than talking about how incompetent everyone is.

But I'll bite. Your case boils down to texcat repeatedly doubtcasting and fencesitting, yeah? You seemed to have major issues with 740. This is a classic catch-up post. Mention the things you think are scummy/townie about people. He even mentioned that a lot of people are saying "X is scum" but no real legitimate cases. He was casting more doubt on the cases than he was on people I think.

You also took issue with him doubtcasting on Trans's claim, and he was correct in doing so.

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

she fencesat in this post by use of "but I didn't zyf's claim either"

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

*COUGHBADQUESTIONCOUGH*

Has anyone else played with sonia/transcend in the same match

No, why? Is there something we should know?

Hello I is n00b I just learned how to post on this site I have never won take it easy on me please as I don't know how this game works I am anime weeb desu desu

VOTE: Transcend fking liar

MODS how much may I swear.

....what is that last sentence supposed to mean?

Does this mean that you understood the first part of the post??

VOTE: Sonia
For playing the noob card, but mostly for the lack of punctuation.

Ha. And are you still claiming that you just learned how to post on this site?

starts off with questions and doesn't do anything with answers

texcat asks a bunch of questions in their early posts and does not do anything with the answers to these questions or to advance her reads

I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

Talks about reasons to scum read Saru
Talks about reasons to scum read Xkyfu
Talks about reasons to scum read zyf (my slot)
votes tiershift for bad reasons

Nvm about tiershift actually, probably Saru and Texcat.
Pls lynch???
pedit HAHA OK

This is a common scum tell. She talks about saru, xkyfu and zyf in the post but then at the very end she votes someone who she wasn't even talking about

Voting trans but then deciding to fence sit is great. Also great how you suddenly start scum reading me when I begin to case you. :3

texcat also omgus'd me
so no, that isn't what my case is and you clearly didn't read it.

Shit, I've been calling texcat "he" this whole time. Sorry... I really don't know what to make of her, so I should probably reread her posts again

[BlackStar]

You realize there's only 3 people on your wagon, right?

[BlackStar]

Oh, wait Sonia voted you again. Still, it's not like you're at L-1.

[BlackStar]

Ugh, I don't know what to believe right now. Gerry, if you're scum you deserve a scum for these next level ate posts you've been doing. I almost believe that you're town, but you're not scum hunting at all and you just keep going "you're all dumb for voting me!" Then again, transcend did the same thing and flipped town. But you were willing to self vote even after we went over how horrible it was when transcend did it. Ugggh idk...

[BlackStar]

*a scummie

[BlackStar]

BlackStar. You literally said you fos'd tex. why is it scummy for me trying to get your fos hammered?

You're not giving any reason other than her sheeping me earlier. You just keep repeating that over and over. Do you have any other reasons for scum reading her? And the quality of her posts has gone up since she voted you

[BlackStar]

Hammering without intent and a chance to claim is what SCUM does.

No. If scum does that, they end up scum claiming. That wouldn't work as a strategy on D1 or even D2 for that matter.

People usually see it as too scummy to be scummy

[BlackStar]

am i allowed to post screenshots from a game that's ended from another site? is that allowed? or is that ogi?

I've seen people link to offsite games before

[BlackStar]

Ask the mod though

[BlackStar]

BlackStar. You literally said you fos'd tex. why is it scummy for me trying to get your fos hammered?

You're not giving any reason other than her sheeping me earlier. You just keep repeating that over and over.

Do you have any other reasons for scum reading her?

And the quality of her posts has gone up since she voted you

[BlackStar]

I said the quality got better, not that she posted more. She started making recents points against you while you just kept yelling that town was dumb and you wanted to self hammer. And it wasn't a counter wagon

[BlackStar]

*decent

[BlackStar]

I can't tell if texcat is being opportunistic by joining the Gerry wagon or if he's town that's sheeping me

I'm the one that Gerry was trying to get lynched in the middle of the night without an opportunity to claim. And I definitely think it's scummy that he was begging Sonia to hammer, NOT begging Sonia to announce intent. So my vote might be considered OMGUS.

Or since I didn't wake up until after you and Mimi had already voted, you could consider opportunistic sheeping.

It's not because Gerry and Sonia won't stop sniping at each other. (I would have voted earlier if that were the case.)

It is because Gerry's actions and posts have been scummy. He stayed under the radar most of yesterday after having an early/RVS wagon on him. He made an OMGUS vote on Tiershift, and then voted and unvoted Sonia. Then we have a lot of posts that say the game is hard.

This game is actually pretty hard, I don't know who I fos besides the vulture picture guy lol

this is a hard game, idk who is maf lol

This game is actually pretty hard, I don't know who I fos besides the vulture picture guy lol

this is a hard game, idk who is maf lol

Are you just gonna keep saying this over and over again?

lol this game is tough

Then we have a vote. Although he sounds very unsure of himself. Leaving his options open?

hello. I think algebra is mafia sided with tiershift. I think those are my reads.

VOTE: algebra

I think I have a better shot of this being lynched.

And that last line bugs me. He doesn't talk about what makes him think Algebra is mafia, only whether he's lynchable or not. Smells like scum to me.

The quality seems better to me

[BlackStar]

I don't hate anyone lol. I already said that I don't know what to make of Gerry anymore. And I just realized that this conversation we're having right now is a diversion. I asked him what other reasons he has for scumreading Tex and then he ignored that and commented on another part of my post. It's the second time he's ignored the question. It feels like he only has that 1 reason for "scum reading" Tex

[BlackStar]

blackstar. you started out the day trying to put a fos on me, and it backfired. and then you tried again. it's pretty obvious

No I didn't. I didn't like your posts and I didn't read carefully, so I said my bad. Then you made more sketchy posts later on and I voted you. It's pretty obvious that you make a lot of bad posts. And once again you ignore the question and try to divert our attention

[BlackStar]

I know what I said. Not sure what the point of that was

[BlackStar]

So you don't care at all that he's dodging a simple question? And how am I playing badly?

[BlackStar]

I legitimately didn't see this post. And that's not the same thing as me bringing up a question 3 times and him sidestepping it. How hard is it to say why you scum read someone?

I don't hate anyone lol. I already said that I don't know what to make of Gerry anymore. And I just realized that this conversation we're having right now is a diversion. I asked him what other reasons he has for scumreading Tex and then he ignored that and commented on another part of my post. It's the second time he's ignored the question. It feels like he only has that 1 reason for "scum reading" Tex

If you don't know what to make of him, then unvote him. Why are you voting someone you're unsure of? When you become sure again, vote again.

Put your words into action.

I just don't trust him. I can't take my vote off him because he keeps making bad posts

[BlackStar]

No he hasn't. He said "Tex sheeped blackstar!" and I asked him why else he scum reads Tex and he hasn't given any other reasons.

[BlackStar]

I'm not looking for reasons. Every time I ask him about that he goes off in a completely random direction instead of just saying idk or whatever. It's weird as hell

[BlackStar]

If that's his only reason why can't he just fucking say that? The question was "do you have any other reasons for scum reading Tex" it would've taken 5 seconds to say no, but instead he keeps ignoring if and deflecting shit at me. And you're acting like it's totally normal. It's such bullshit



I need a break...

[BlackStar]

BlackStar. You literally said you fos'd tex. why is it scummy for me trying to get your fos hammered?

You're not giving any reason other than her sheeping me earlier. You just keep repeating that over and over. Do you have any other reasons for scum reading her? And the quality of her posts has gone up since she voted you

I really don't think her posts increased. Especially when she just joined the counter wagon that was going against her. Which you started.

Well I didn't know telling the truth was bad. And I don't think the quality got better, which is what i meant

blackstar. you started out the day trying to put a fos on me, and it backfired. and then you tried again. it's pretty obvious

can we just lynch texcat ffs

Gerry is trying to take attention away from his scum buddy

can we just lynch texcat ffs

Gerry is trying to take attention away from his scum buddy

Then join the gerry bw moron?

I'm staying on the Tex wagon.

So you Gerry is bussing Tex?

No, I said he's fighting with you to distract us from the wagon that was forming on texcat.

Oh, I didn't see that he was voting him. In that case forget what I said. I'm gonna shut up, because I'm doing really badly so far

I can't tell if texcat is being opportunistic by joining the Gerry wagon or if he's town that's sheeping me

you said this before her posts "improved"

Yeah, you answered the shit out of that question

[BlackStar]

Just admit that you don't have any other reasons. You only "scum read" her because you know the lynch is down to you or her and you need to stay on her wagon no matter what

[BlackStar]

I didn't say he only voted texcat because he knew one of them was getting lynched. I said he's avoiding the question because he doesn't have any reasons for his scumread but he needs the lynch to go through. He's not giving any reasons because he doesn't have any. He hasn't given any explanation for it at all. Just look over it again.

This is him placing the vote on texcat

VOTE: texcat

And then he argues with Sonia for a long time about whose fault it is that Transcend died. Let's see how he leads the texcat lynch.

why isnt texcat lynched yet? when i come back i hope he's lynched.

sonia you said you'd lynch tex today, but your vote remains on me. Vote my partner, I'm bussing him.

lol why is tex not dead yet. sonia can you hammer? you said you fos'd him

if he's pr you can blame me. but he's prob maf

sonia stop waitinf for you rmaf partner to fish and hammer already

Whoooooooaaaa! Look at those compelling arguments! Vote texcat because! Wow, he sure was leading the lynch on texcat! It definitely doesn't look like he wants the lynch to go through and doesn't ever back up his reasoning for wanting it to go through. Nope, he was very clear about why he thought texcat was scum...

[BlackStar]

Except he has given a reason. She sheeped when it was opportunistic for her to do so.

Just because you don't like the reason, doesn't mean it's not a valid one.

Also, it's interesting to me that you voted Gerry because you thought he just wanted Texcat's lynch and nothing more, but why would that be a reason to unvote Texcat then? She was at L-1 and you unvoted her. She hadn't even claimed. She hadn't done ANYTHING at the point that you voted Gerry for her to be unvoted. As soon as she saw your vote, she latched onto it and ran with it. Are you town who is this fucking blind to obvious scum trying to run up a counter wagon? Or are you just that same scum? Let me know which one you are. Thanks.

My point was that HE DIDN'T GIVE ANY REASON WHEN HE FIRST VOTED HER. I don't know why you're ignoring this and defending him. He didn't have a single fucking reason before the sheeping thing. Ugh, I don't even care anymore...

UNVOTE:

Happy now? Have fun mislynching texcat. I want no part of this

[BlackStar]

God,you're annoying. Do you think we would've had this long heated argument if I still scumread texcat? I even said when I voted you that you seemed like scum trying to get an easy lynch on texcat. Obviously the fos on her weakened back then. And your posts just make me more sure that you're scum

[BlackStar]

Nice shit post, gerry