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[Saru]

>.> <.<
I was way off. But lol @ vig shooting me.
I'm just going to sit-back, relax, and watch this fuckery play out. If I were still alive, I would be asking for Sonia's head on a fucking spike. I legit lost my shit when I saw she hammered Gerry without a claim. Like if she were town in this game and she did that, I would never ever think of playing with her again. But the way she's acting even now as scum is just so annoying to read. I don't see town pulling this one out.

[Saru]

that's the thing I want to lynch mimi and xkyfu today not vedith

And btw, Zyf, don't feel bad about scum reading me. I was performing the Slayer's Gambit but it didn't work out like I really wanted. I didn't get the info I was hoping. I've never done it before but I chose to change it up this time around(as I always do from game to game) and see where it got me. All it did was leave me confused, but maybe because I didn't do it 100% correctly.

I love trying new things every game, regardless of alignment.

[Saru]

And btw, Zyf, don't feel bad about scum reading me. I was performing the Slayer's Gambit but it didn't work out like I really wanted.

While Slayer (the player the gambit is named for) beat me to it, as a former user of the gambit I can tell you: the problem with the gambit is always exactly that--you never get the information you were hoping for.

What differentiates scum taking advantage of you from town going after someone they see as justifiably scummy?
Furthermore, what differentiates you being town using the gambit from you being scum using the excuse of the gambit to justify bad play?

If you don't have the skills necessary to discern the first, the gambit is useless. Even if you DO, then you absolutely

require

the charisma to convince the town that

not only

are you not scum, BUT ALSO that you are not OMGUSing with regards to your suspects that jump on you. You need to be able to explain to them that those players are scum because of these key factors, these key differences, you have picked up on.

In short: to pull the gambit off and have it actually work, what you need is the ability to see something only a small fraction of users can see in the first place, and THEN you need to have the language skills necessary to show this to users who

can't

see it. And as you might be able to guess, virtually nobody possesses both.

Yeah, I figured all this out afterwards. I guess I just wanted to spice up my VT role pm lol. I was legit disheartened when I found out I was VT because I love being scum and HATE being town with a passion. To not only be town but be a vanilla version, I wanted to cry. I'm a selfish little bastard.

By the way, I'm happy you replied to me, because I'm a huge fan by the way of your academy and some of the stuff you've written in the wiki. While I don't follow everything word for word and don't always agree, I just love reading over it when I feel like I'm in a ditch as town(which I am 99.9% of the time) to make myself feel better lmfao. You might not think your lectures mean anything, but trust me, there are people like me who are reading them and appreciating them for what they are, so thanks for that!

[Saru]

At the start of the game when I got cop I knew I was gonna have to play different because I've never flipped PR before I normally try to be more calm and relaxed and take a back seat but I felt like if I did that I'd get a giant scum shot in the face I made sure to overreact to a few posts but I didn't back down from any lynch mostly because I felt it was better to just play with me being alive I was quite sure about a DW/Transcend/Ved team because it made the most sense with all the WKing and early pushes that were going on so when Ttanscend flipped town I wanted to check on someone I felt made a lot of sense/seemed like a good enough player to out smart me (in comes xkf) coming into day 2 I wanted Gerry lynched because we were the only one who could see Transcends meta and he didn't stop it so that seemed like it screamed scum to me and the more he said "This is your fault not mine!" The more okay I was with the vote because one thing Gerry likes to do as scum is WIFOM and shift blame both 2 things he does a lot of time I didn't expect him to be a pr with him saying he'd self vote or not claiming pr when he asked in fact I prob would have still hammered him regardless I feel controlled and that everything is just going off scum lead (prob Tiershift with the strange thinking) The bottom line is my scum play is a lot more laid back and focused trying to stay in the shadows not so up front I can say I didn't have reason to claim pr as scum or I would have outted a guilty because mylo but that's all wifom along with saying I wouldn't lead on my best friends as scum

What I can say is I don't regret any of my play because I felt I was right everytime and if being scummy is being wrong so be it I'm not the only one in the wrong because everyone else voted in the bw's also

Final call: Dw/Tier/Ved

Not a single period. Why do people type like this?

[Saru]

I actually feel kind of bad now about questioning the Snake wagon, but I legit thought the reasons for it were like meh. Felt like low-hanging fruit. Looking back, low-hanging fruit might not actually be such a bad thing to wagon seeing as it was very early D1 and I can see pressure doing well there. Oh well, fuck being town.

Also, Vedith, I might be able to help you a little with your scum play if you feel you give yourself away a lot. Let me know, and I'll PM you after the game is over.

[Saru]

No big deal. I did think your insults near your lynch were kind of over the top though lol. Maybe tone it down a bit next time? FWIW, I understood what you were trying to do with the whole fakeclaim thing, but alas, I was asleep as your lynch went down.

[Saru]

zzz
lol @ Dwlee.
I'm pissed Sonia got away without being lynched. Sad times.