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Hi all.
First things first.
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@accountant l seriously didn't know you were in the game before I asked GiF to play. I just remembered him from my earlier mafia career.
So. There's that. Let's keep things to this game. K?
I iso'd my former slot's posts and I say disregard any soft claims you may think you see. I'm really a ....
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Hi all.
First things first.
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@accountant l seriously didn't know you were in the game before I asked GiF to play. I just remembered him from my earlier mafia career.
So. There's that. Let's keep things to this game. K?
I iso'd my former slot's posts and I say disregard any soft claims you may think you see. I'm really a ....
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Exactly. Are you saying DDD picked someone to scum read before coming up with reasons because he was confident?In post 804, Accountant wrote:
Scum!DDD knows he's going to get pressed on his reads. Why would he not have reasons prepared? Furthermore, why would he feel confident he could give decent reasons unless he actually could?You were likely hoping to get away with not having to explain them, and you probably felt confident you could give some decent reasons if asked.
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Copper sounds pretty scummy. If you ask me.In post 35, Astyanaxx wrote:
If i was scum i'm pretty sure i would be unmasked after less than 48 hours. I'm a terrible liar, but you only have my word for it. Actually, it's also a very different timing and thought process than in a live one, so maybe i'm better at it. Or worse, we'll see. Anyway for now i don't have much to share with you guys ; i've skimmed through some of the other games and i'm impressed with how little people seem to work with when trying to figure out who's scum. I don't feel that in this domain i have a lot to share but i'll try to be as active as possible to not be a deadweight in the debates.copper223 wrote: Don't knock yourself down, your opinions are as important as everyone else's.
Ofc if you happened to draw scum I guess it sucks to be you and I'm coming for ya. Don't knock yourself down, your opinions are as important as everyone else's. Ofc if you happened to draw scum I guess it sucks to be you and I'm coming for ya.- jon_h61
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Wow, a lot of peeps are coming back from long breaks. I guess I picked a good time to come back myself.
My initial read of DDD is Town. I still don't get the copper/Dragon tag team. Just seems "too scummy to be scum." I'm almost sure one of them is scum. The argument is just so convoluted. It doesn't feel natural (to me).
Let me make sure I have this right. Copper/Dragon are Town reading each othrr, right? @ both Who do you think looks scummiest in regards to their DDD interactions? Who would you compromise lynch?- jon_h61
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Fluff? I have s minor complaint (request). While ISOing I'm finding a lot of quote strips that have no reference as to who you are talking sbout. At the time it may be obvious, but going back over ISOs, its not always obvious. Quoting the first post (or part thereof), then quote stripping the rest (pertaining to the person) would help cut down on confusion. TIA- jon_h61
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I know.In post 853, Accountant wrote:No such thing
If someone is making arguments that don't seem to make sense, it's usually a good thing to push on it awhile.
Like if Dragon's really Town, she should be trying to show (me) why/how I'm so screwed up on my read on them, not just say yeah I knew you were gonna vote me(paraphrased).- jon_h61
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@Dragon Apologies. I'll try to keep it straight.
You two are my biggest scum reads, yes. I'm not certain though. You were just picked first. Copper's attacking GM's post throwing shade when there were so many question marks sounded disingenuous. The buddying of you, and other things make me more inclined to believe he's scum. I'm on a phone so quote stripping is a pain, but hopefully I'll have the case I believe up today so it can be analyzed. I know I kill Townies sometimes so I know i can be wrong. But sometimes I get it oh so right.- jon_h61
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I'm not quite as black and white on things as you are. I don't believe they're impossible. I believe they can be staged. I'm worried that might be happening. What's your opinion of how Dragon jumps in to agree with copper so often, or at least was where I've been reading?In post 853, Accountant wrote:Why do you feel that convoluted natural arguments are difficult/impossible? What about the argument between DDD and copper?
I don't want to read the parts before all the replacements, unless someone references it in a post and it looks like it might be important, or in ISOs.
Pedit "When did copper attack GM's post? I don't remember where that was. Awaiting your case so I can reply properly." Phone posting r hard. Sorry, about the ??????? Thing.
@Dragon I'm still leaning copper over you. What's the vote count?- jon_h61
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@ copper its Day 1 and I'm late to the dance. My case is only going to get so good. Convince us that me or someone else is scum? What I'm trying to say, if you think I'm barking up the wrong tree (reading you as scum), then help consolidate votes where you think should go.
You and Dragon are the main people responding to me. What do you think of that?- jon_h61
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Accountant's being pretty convincing.In post 712, copper223 wrote: I'd rather kick your ass today, I don't trust the rest of the stooges enough to forfeit a possible future mis-lynch and to follow through when I flip.
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I have, I have, and I have. It's all in my meta.In post 890, copper223 wrote:I have never been lynched as town, I have never reached lylo as town (other than as a tree-stump) and in a newbie I have never survived past D2 as town, this is how bad some of you are, read the flip and weep at your ineptitude.
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Your compass still didn't give you what you want. If you're Town. Why DDD?In post 905, ironstove wrote:The jon slot might be scum. People town reading that slot don't make sense.
I think trying to figure out alignments this early in the game is dumb, but I'll go out on a limb and say if DDD is scum, his partner is jon.
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Tbh I've kind of ignored you. I've carried out crusades on trolls just to find them Town almost every time.In post 889, ironstove wrote:Jon, what are your reads of myself and guiltylion? Are we null or...?
Your biggest scum read is copper, but why did you say you're sheeping Accountant? Why do you have to say it's sheeping if you're voting for your biggest scum read?
Accountant is your strongest town read? Is that right?
You can say I'm sheeping gm now. I've finished her and Ddds ISOs and for now, they are my Town reads ATM.
I gotta look better at Jae, but that's it.
I don't know what I going to do tomorrow. I'll worry a out it then. Im learning respect for accountant's game, he looks like he can be pretty deceitful. Still thinking Town. GL Town.- jon_h61
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So you're saying I'm playing a good scum game? Do you mean I just look like I'm scum hunting? What big revelations(besides you being town) would I have found as Town!In post 921, copper223 wrote:I do not hope to play with you anytime soon unless you flip scum and for the record I still don't think that's the case- jon_h61
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Look, when reading ISOs I jump from it to the thread when I come across something I question. So its not like I haven't seen anything you've said. Putting out your suspicions (like some recent posts do) will help me better. I've read a lot of what you posted. I could be wrong. I don't think I am.
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NGR @ gm about posts, yours are what I was asking for even before I asked. When in I iso I always knew who you were talking to. As long as the first quoted post indicates who you're addressing. I'll assume all other strips still refer back to the same person.
I think it'd profit everyone (especially replacements) if we all did it.
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who pointed out what? How do you know they were Town, and how are you going to go back and check?In post 236, JaeReed wrote:I wouldn't put it past copper to buddy the fuck outta me tbh. Like him saying that I wouldn't call the scumteam on pg 5 is bs as you know because iraon did the same shit and got townread for it. HOWEVER the person who pointed that out I think was town weren't they? idunno I'm not looking that up atm but that's my thought process there. Basically, what he pointed out was not a towntell b- jon_h61
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How does you misreading Jae make accountant more likely scum?In post 254, copper223 wrote:This vote has a higher probability than average of coming from scum, if I am screwing up by misreading JaeReed (in which case I deserve the heat) this is where I'd look for their partner.
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Mushroom food. What does this even mean?In post 282, copper223 wrote:
Not for the point I made above I don't.In post 281, Accountant wrote:P -> Q by itself isn't an obvious statement at all so you need to justify that first.
Why is town less likely to be opportunistic compared to scum?
Because scum have to mislynch a townie so they are on the look-out for opportunities to do so, sometimes they take them and sometimes they don't depending on many factors but on average it's more likely to reflect their behavior compared to a townie that has very little incentive (some cases exist where they are also at risk or we are getting close to the deadline and they believe that a lynch is better than none but they are mostly irrelevant at the moment) and will mostly only do so by happenstance.
Speaking of justification, you have as yet not told me what good arguments there are that you are aware of for my wagon, nor why scumGL would more likely side with Jae in his opening post (see 267), according to you ignoring requests to clarify reads are an indicator that you are scum coasting.- jon_h61
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In post 1123, ironstove wrote:Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL
Make your case. I believe Jae believes his read (but I think he's wrong). I don't know your case on anyone really. You just seem to go with the flow.
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Your agreeing with copper's case on DDD was what made me initially scum read your slot. It looked (s) like scum agreeing with a bad case on nothing. Even after re-rereading, I don't find the case credible.In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town? If you want reasons why he's scum, read most of what copper and I said yesterday with regards to him, then ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.
One BIG reason not to move votes is because both wagons were Town.
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Of your scum reads, I'd vote Dragon.
One thing that is(was) holding back my enthusiasm for a Dragon push was the fact that I read the last hand I played with him last Night. He was scum in it and replaced out right after I accused him of being scum. Gamblers' fallacy and all that, but I still think he's scum. - jon_h61
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