Survivor Mafiascum Rankdown (Properly Dead. Leave it dead)

[BROseidon]

tingle was god-tier

>join game
>insult everyone
>selfvote

This is the pinnacle of ~iconic~

[BROseidon]

Tbf it was really Lincoln the first time

[BROseidon]

I like how Reck wanted to backstab me in LoL until LB just, like, stopped being around.

[BROseidon]

Which still made no sense, imo.

[BROseidon]

didnt need both you & noc, LB/Shaco had more connections for me to utilize

Tag team.

Which was still bullshit that we couldn't talk about it tbh.

[BROseidon]

My best conversation in a game ever was with Bobby Jindal at the start of #2016.

[BROseidon]

I should quote that convo here after he gets knocked out, since that convo was fucking hysterical.

[BROseidon]

Was seriously wondering how the fuck REM was still around.

[BROseidon]

I hadn't cut REM for a while since I was rooting for him at the time of the game

REM was like

What happens when someone who was good at survivor doesn't play in 5 years

[BROseidon]

Most of the reasoning involved in why it was O'Malley and not Lincoln (at least to me) was becuase I could actually hold a conversation with Lincoln, honestly. Plus Lincoln was willing to compromise. TBF I wanted O'Malley gone before Arnold in game, but that was never happening.

Translation: Lincoln was more willing to be my bitch.

[BROseidon]

Also the reason the whole thing went down was because of MS's terrible "I don't want to make it look like a pagong/pagongs are boring" meta

Which seriously needs to fucking die.

[BROseidon]

Also Malphite defos gets top 50 above Lulu/Gnar.

Malphite was player of the game and probably deserves to win LoL, although the entire post-merge of LoL other than like Liss/J4/Garen was pretty amazing.

[BROseidon]

Malphite was 100% more entertaining than Lulu.

[BROseidon]

There was RL shit too during your TC, BRO, so I think part of it was just wanting to not get booted or make enemies right in the middle of it.

I mean, the Arnold boot is really what should have never happened.

Or it should have gone Ben->Arnold.

[BROseidon]

"I don't want to overplay this game"

Proceeds to overplay the fuck out of the game because why not.

[BROseidon]

Restraint is hard, let's blindside everyone!

[BROseidon]

Bitch you stole my color.

[BROseidon]

Like that's actually my mod color for mafia.

[BROseidon]

Martin wasn't really much better than R.E.M.

incorrect!

But not good enough to save

Sort of like in #2016

[BROseidon]

Tbh this is a little late for this feedback, but it probably would have been better for the rankers to each list their top like 250, and the top 200 vote-getters would be entered in a top 200.

Because we have a long time of relatively boring elims to work through.

[BROseidon]

Yeah let's get back to the cutting.

[BROseidon]

MOAR CUTS

[BROseidon]

I thought Noone heard that other than mollie

Oh no we all heard it.

[BROseidon]

Yeah gotta kill them all.

[BROseidon]

MOAR.

CUTS.

[BROseidon]

These eliminations are still a lot of "this person didn't really do much and got voted out early."

MOAR CUTS.

[BROseidon]

Thanks Monica

[BROseidon]

My favorite thing about Gus was his inability to sense irony. I wrote a paragraph complaining to him passive-aggressively about one-line messages and how I wished people would be more talkative than that, and he sent back a one-liner agreeing with me. He was kind of like talking to a wall.

Someone who's won a few games should go for winning a game with a self-imposed length restriction on PMs.

[BROseidon]

Dude some people will never lose endurance challenges and I'm not sure if that's impressive or sad

This is why endurance challenges that are effectively "who has the most time" are bad design. The reason the balls challenge in League was so good was that it was really hard to go much more than an hour, so it came down to crisp execution starting at a certain timestamp.

Or if you're me, you decide to try to use the early part of the challenge to optimize, and fuck up by a second

[BROseidon]

Yeah but the f4 league challenge was a who had the most time challenge

And it was bad design

[BROseidon]

Build endurance challenges using flash or Unity, imo.

[BROseidon]

The issue with balls, though, was that spotty/inconsistent wifi could fuck you.

That was a legitimate complaint about the challenge. Otherwise it was timing/physical endurance.

[BROseidon]

wtf is "speed boggle"

[BROseidon]

That's a really cool challenge concept.

Creativity like that is definitely something that we need to bring to challenge design, more broadly speaking.

[BROseidon]

Tbh Boggle isn't even that terrible of a challenge without context of it being overused/etc.

[BROseidon]

Guys.

Why.

[BROseidon]

Chaffee next!

[BROseidon]

Top 250 isn't even top half.

Top half starts at 239.

Just for reference.

[BROseidon]

For additional reference:

Top 110 means, on average, a top 5 character in a season.

[BROseidon]

Haha yeah.

[BROseidon]

I'm a big proponent that to get to final 2 in survivor requires having done something right. Even more so in MS Survivor where a lot of the more social elements are stripped in favour of increased strategy.

For a person to come into merge in the minority, and last to final 2 isn't a fluke, even if you consider them a goat.

Is there a failing in being unable to convince the jury of your activities or worthyness? YEah, especially if you don't write anything, but there's something to be said about it and I'm not sure any finalist belongs this low.

Some finalists are just boring because you can predict them being irrelevant long before they make it. See: Survivor Cook Islands. Did you know that was a Final 3? The jury sure didn't. Although we ridicule Playing for Second a lot, it has occured to me that on the show getting second definitely has a monetary reward so it's not really that unreasonable to want to be dragged if you weren't going to win anyways. Being exciting and getting voted out sixth (see Cambodia) lowers your paycheck.

There are two places.

First and not-first.

Also, getting 6th or getting 2nd, you still make good money for your time either way. The dropoff after the 1st->2nd one isn't that huge?

[BROseidon]

5th/6th has to be more than like 10k.

[BROseidon]

Car curse!

[BROseidon]

Did anyone who won a car even make it to the finals?

Well Dreamz GOT the car...

[BROseidon]

8/8

[BROseidon]

Actually wait 5/7

[BROseidon]

Drench where r u sl00t

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

It's almost as if people have mre to do than sit on their computers all day! Wow!

onice you're good with eliminating endurance challenges too

I was gonna say...

14 fucking hours.

[BROseidon]

Who needs a passport >.>

[BROseidon]

No he died.

[BROseidon]

Drench did u die?

[BROseidon]

Guys I think Drench is dead.

[BROseidon]

Guys I think Drench is dead.

[BROseidon]

Tbh you could code a solution to this pretty easily?

[BROseidon]

He sure was a person in that game.

[BROseidon]

The Quinn boot had me and reck sending so many pms to each other for what should have been a fairly routine decision. And it made him almost blindside me

[BROseidon]

Yeah that's actually plausible, although we all also knew that Quinn was a big threat

[BROseidon]

No, Malph and Noct might, have, though.

[BROseidon]

Malph was the one who first proposed blindsiding me!

[BROseidon]

But yes, I was playing "ride Malphite's coattails until the last odd-number before FTC" strategy.

Which was on track to blow up in my face because of 2 very bad assumptions.

[BROseidon]

I never said I would flip on you, though >.>

[BROseidon]

haha yeah

[BROseidon]

Ugh no

[BROseidon]

I'm so sad I wasn't allowed to watch

[BROseidon]

The standard "move" timings are 9 and 7. Those two slots should do very well.

6th will do very poorly, as will 10th.

[BROseidon]

Tbh I feel like 6th will be the overall worst of 9-1.

[BROseidon]

tl;dr we should have cut Kirrahe earlier I'm having Mass Effect flashbacks

Cut later today

Yeah holy fuck how did this person make it nearly this far.

[BROseidon]

Yeah that is definitely not Lisa's quote, unless some timelines broke

[BROseidon]

My guess is that it was about gnar, since I said very similar things about gnar

[BROseidon]

If not that actually being my quote, although the part about the malphite boot doesn't make sense if it's me

[BROseidon]

I mean it kinda does? Weren't you just being stonewalled?

No.

Stonewalled would have been so much better.

[BROseidon]

Kk.

[BROseidon]

Truly the greatest reason.

[BROseidon]

Whatever gets you to DC

[BROseidon]

Marry an American and stay.

[BROseidon]

Monogamy isn't prerequisite to marriage.

[BROseidon]

I feel like that might actually be a thing.

[BROseidon]

But seriously 1/2 of long-term gay male relationships in places like SF/DC/NYC are open to some degree.

[BROseidon]

8 U.S. Code § 1182(a)(10)(A) is pretty clear about this

Wow you're not kidding it is actually a thing

Yeah this is actually kind of not surprising with how much the US has historically loved to legislate morality.

[BROseidon]

Just marry only one person npnp

But then go to the orgy with your husband to get all the dick you want.

[BROseidon]

Rock man Reck ruined everything.

[BROseidon]

Rock man Reck ruined everything.

>:( i did not

I wanted to get rid of Lulu because she was a threat with an idol

[BROseidon]

It actually revolved around Shaco.

[BROseidon]

It's a shame that PMs can't get catalogued and published post-game.

I'd love for someone who's always popular in games to, as performance art, have no confessionals at all (literally none), so that they're only talked about by everyone else as being really great, but the specs have no idea what's going on.

[BROseidon]

I'd also want that person to win for the lulz.

[BROseidon]

I'd also want that person to win for the lulz.

[BROseidon]

If I were good at Survivor, I would try this at some point.

[BROseidon]

Posting is hard.

[BROseidon]

You forgot Malphite.

[BROseidon]

Yeah but that's not winning.

[BROseidon]

edit: I am dumb

[BROseidon]

rabble

[BROseidon]

Someone should tell Drench to stop sucking dick and make a cut.

[BROseidon]

Rabble?

[BROseidon]

Hi Mundo!

[BROseidon]

rabble?

[BROseidon]

:/

[BROseidon]

Why did a bunch of placements get skipped?

[BROseidon]

I'm not sure if I'm hungrier for dinner on ANOTHER CUT!

[BROseidon]

Rubio was my bro

[BROseidon]

I thought Orianna was a computer trying to pass the Turing Test.

Turns out that was me.

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

The sad part is Tien Shinhan might actually do better than Jarvan in this >.>

[BROseidon]

savage.

[BROseidon]

CUTTTTTTTT

[BROseidon]

Zeno's the most powerful being in the universe.

[BROseidon]

Any Survivor PM longer than 10 sentences should be burned.

[BROseidon]

Hi Wallrunga.

Also all coinflips are rigged. #coinflipmeta

[BROseidon]

Wallrunga, Guardian of Walls.

[BROseidon]

Also wow you didn't really PM him that much.

[BROseidon]

Why is Elizabeth Warren still around?

[BROseidon]

Was she, though?

Is "found idol, got blindsided for idol-hunting" that compelling?

[BROseidon]

That's such a dumb character to pick.

Like seriously that's a terrible fucking name.

[BROseidon]

You all value strategic prowess way too much.

IJS

[BROseidon]

You all also interpret "social" in a way that I find kind of boring.

Like someone who's socially perfect and that everyone just loves at first glance is kind of boring to me. I want interesting/dynamic characters who show a range of emotion and react like humans, not like somewhat overly-bubbly Survivorbots.

I want people who are confrontational. Who show RAGE. Who do insane shit. It's why Amumu was super awesome in LoL - because he was fucking real as shit.

[BROseidon]

I also think it's why Gnar's a really interesting character - because he did a lot of stupid shit and pissed people off, instead of like Lulu and Ori who were boringly likable.

[BROseidon]

There are more people like Amumu Bro, they tend not to be talked about with the same amount of affection I suppose. Not enough kool-aid.

Amumu's an easy example from a recent game I was in that gets the point across fairly well.

[BROseidon]

I also think it's why Gnar's a really interesting character - because he did a lot of stupid shit and pissed people off, instead of like Lulu and Ori who were boringly likable.

ill give you Ori was boringly likable

Lulu disappeared and that hurt her likability but she wasn't boring. at least not to me. that Hail Mary worddump was astounding

Meh.

[BROseidon]

Rabble?

[BROseidon]

YOUR KID SHOULD MAKE THE NEXT CUT.

[BROseidon]

Lol okay, I'll have him pick a name off of my list then, fuck it. So if none of you like who it is, blame Mark.

In b4 someone popular.

Maybe have some power of veto, like if it's someone really good you say pick someone else?

[BROseidon]

Now write the cut from the POV of your son.

[BROseidon]

Oh god Kawazu is going to spawn a whole onslaught of performance art characters in Survivor games.

[BROseidon]

lol pretending there havent been PRed performance art characters before

i still hate xof for Empress

we even had a performance art winner in Tetra!

We've had 2 winners now!

[BROseidon]

Oh god Kawazu is going to spawn a whole onslaught of performance art characters in Survivor games.

Does this mean we're gonna get a game where everyone is trying to Kawazu

PEDIT: Yeah Kawazu wasn't anything that special, doing what I did wasn't even a good strategy, I just happened to win in spite of it lmao

The point is that it's not just about strategy, at least within the context of that one game.

It's about the

art

[BROseidon]

Indeed

[BROseidon]

Zeno wasn't Shaco and nobody seems to understand why Shaco actually won.

[BROseidon]

Shaco won because Lulu forgot that taking a guy to the end that everyone loves and who has all of his allies that he didn't backstab on the jury is probably a terrible idea.

Zeno almost won because a bunch of people really hated Kawazu, and had he given a better FTC performance he would have won because everyone hated Kawazu.

I guess a somewhat easier way to put it is that Shaco was like Fabio and Zeno would have been like Sophie.

[BROseidon]

I should try playing Survivor while having sex.

[BROseidon]

Like, I guess I have technically had sex while in the middle of a Survivor game.

But I've never had sex while actively doing Survivor things.

[BROseidon]

Yeah my man wouldn't stand for that shit.

I guess the flipside is that my sex requires more preparation, so it's easier to plan around.

[BROseidon]

Rabble.

[BROseidon]

Mundo next pls

[BROseidon]

Kk.

[BROseidon]

We need more cuts!

[BROseidon]

MOAR CUTZ

[BROseidon]

Too bad your opinion doesn't count here.

[BROseidon]

That came across a lot less playfully than intended

[BROseidon]

Haha 6th.

[BROseidon]

i'm still crying this started before my best character by far happened

Write me a song.

[BROseidon]

Also rabble.

[BROseidon]

I waited 18.5 hours after thanksgiving ended.

[BROseidon]

Yeah tbh Warren should have been cut ages ago and needs to stop being a meme.

[BROseidon]

As a player in #2016 - Liz Warren mattered less than everyone except Bernie Sanders.

[BROseidon]

Her story was ~fine~

[BROseidon]

I just know she got voted out with an idol. Who is warren?

Basically this.

[BROseidon]

yeah ppl arent getting that the rankdown should be for pure character value which is usually viewed thru spec eyes

We just don't understand why she was that entertaining? Like, it was a cute little arc that was sort of unique.

[BROseidon]

Rabble

[BROseidon]

I liked CGI Brett :>

CGI Brett is probably the person I have been the single meanest to in a game. So there's that :/

[BROseidon]

I wish Varner were part of this rankdown

[BROseidon]

I was fucking delightful to you by comparison.

[BROseidon]

Also in retrospect I totally RP all of the characters I play.

J4 was self-righteous as fuck
Tien was an asshole
Jeff was a trainwreck

[BROseidon]

Idea - Survivor: Twitter

All communication must be 140 characters or less.

Paging BROseidon

You called???

[BROseidon]

Yasssssss

Although my dream game is something far more insane