Newbie 1742 Earth - Game Over

[Huntress]

Looked like too-careful play to me.

Vote: Shadowlancerx

[Huntress]

Vote: PenguinPower

Blix clearly stated that he was at L-1 and you've been around long enough to know not to vote without checking first. Particularly after what had just happened with Shadowlancer.

[Huntress]

I don't actually believe that you think someone is going to quickhammer/lolhammer you at this point.

The impression I get from this is that Penguin is not careless when voting as he implies that a quickhammer, accidentally or otherwise, is very unlikely. Add to that that the seven posts before his hammer were all quoting votes on Blix, including 34 which stated that Blix was at L-1, and it becomes difficult to understand how he didn't double-check before voting.

[Huntress]

77: There's no way a player can convince you they are town just like that.

78: This question feels like a diversion tactic.

83: It didn't bother you in your previous game to vote for someone who already had votes on them, so why does it now?

Vote: Icy

[Huntress]

Sorry. I forgot we were down to four votes to lynch, not five. Unvoting for now until nmego has posted but consider my vote still there.

[Huntress]

Unvote:

[Huntress]

So Icy responds fairly promptly earlier on, then goes quiet when the hard questions are asked? Inactivity isn't a scumtell, but convenient inactivity in response to pressure is.

Icy has been posting around the same time every day, so where was the inactivity?

That's just not true. I wasn't aware that I was to be available 24/7 when I subbed in. I usually only play in the morning. I'll try to log in more often.

It's ok if you can't be on all the time as long as you can post at least once or twice a day. Some players like to post a lot more but it's not a requirement.

Not a distraction at all. I felt after reading day one that either Vampirate, or Shadowlancerx would be the night kill.

What reactions or responses were you looking for when you raised the subject?

... the reasoning behind the vote was weak. It appeared to me that he would have used that same reason on any townee that voted Penguin.

Why is that a reason for voting him? To give the same reaction to the same action, whichever player made it, doesn't read as scummy to me. Yes, the reason was weak, but it's unusual to have strong reasons for voting anyone on page three of a game.

[Huntress]

@ Accountant:

You didn't answer my question in 118.

No. I have a bad feeling about this. We aren't lynching until I have more from scarlet and Huntress. The jump onto Icy feels fishy.

What seems fishy about it? Apart from the way you exaggerated the strength of the case?

When someone derphammers town, scum's first instinct is to kick back and let town rip itself apart. Especially with the wagon on Icy. The only place I could be wrong is BlackVoid, but we have one mislynch so if we just lynch Huntress and Scarlet

we're confirmed a win

.

Setting up lynches in advance? The only way you could be confirmed a win from that is if you are scum and know that Scarlet and I are both town. Or if Scarlet is your partner a mislynch on me would give you an excuse not to follow through with that plan in lylo and to lynch another townie for the win.

... she forgets the initial Penguin push

Not forgotten. I was satisfied with the tone of his replies so moved on.

I propose that right here, right now, to lynch me and see what I would flip. If I happen to flip a town, it's likely that Accountant is a scum in disguise.

Why does it follow that you being town means that Accountant is scum?


My strongest scumread is Accountant.

Vote: Accountant

[Huntress]

@Huntress, are you arguing that Accountant and Scarlet are partnered? Who are your other scumreads?

No, although that is a possibility. I think the likeliest partner for Accountant at the moment is you but I don't have an individual scum read on you.

Other reads: Still unsure about Icy but I don't think he is partner to Accountant due to the fact that Accountant didn't unvote when Icy was at L-1, which was a bit risky with a player missing. Possible scum team in BlackVoid and Icy if Accountant isn't scum. Penguin, Shadow and Scarlet look like town although the latter two have been playing the newbie card a bit which makes me wary of them.


Town

Penguin
Scarlet
Shadow
BlackVoid
Icy
Accountant

Scum

[Huntress]

I see Accountant still hasn't answered my questions.

[Huntress]

This isn't even town hounding after their scumread for dodging questions, btw. Compare how I was yelling at Icy over and over to answer my questions vs this post, which is directed at the rest of the town and intended to make me look bad(ie. throw shade at me) rather than get answers.

If I thought there was any chance of you answering I would have been more direct about it, as I was in 217, but I had given up hope of that so was just pointing it out to the others there. How about proving me wrong and actually answering?

[Huntress]

1) Yep. It's called scumhunting. I was satisfied with Penguin's responses so moved on to Icy.

2) Nothing immediate about it. It was three days later than the vote on Icy that I moved my vote to you after you sheeped Penguin's vote on me then scumclaimed in 171. The fact that you had ignored my question in 118 challenging your claim of convenient inactivity on Icy's part was another factor.

3) I

always

want my questions answered. However, as you have made it clear you won't, or can't, give me answers I don't see any point in banging my head against a brick wall over them.

In short, I'm scumreading you because you're not trying to work out my alignment, instead you're just trying to get a lynch on me.

[Huntress]

That's a pretty weak example of a scum claim.

If he is town there is no way he could claim a confirmed win from lynching two players whose alignment he could not know. He

knows

that but he said it anyway to try to convince you to lynch me. Setting up lynches like that is not town play. Hence the action was a scum claim.

[Huntress]

Huntress what is up with this post. First you say Blackvoid is most likely Accountants partner, then you list Accountant and I as most likely scum?

Care to explain that to me?

That list was based on individual reads and doesn't take account of possible partnerships. It's ok to look at connections but we need to lynch scum first then deal with the partner later. That way we don't get distracted. If I was going for someone who could be scum with both of my scum reads I would be voting BlackVoid, but I'd rather vote for someone I've got a definite scumread on first.

But I do think she was too quick to "like" the response from Penguin and move onto Icy, the hot wagon at the time.

Explain please. Why should I stay on a player I was no longer scumreading rather than move to another player who was looking more scummy?

The sudden switch to Accountant right after he accused her looked like scum pushing back against their accuser despite both pushing on Icy before.

I've already explained this. It was not the fact that he attacked me, but the

way

he did it. If I was going to go for him purely for voting me I would have done so after his vote in 66.

What's wrong with that? The "game" makes the most logical sense at this point.

It would only be logical if it was known for a fact that one of us was scum, like if there had been a claim and counter-claim. As it is there is a chance that we're both town so trying to restrict the voting to just the two of us doesn't make sense.