Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[Gideon]

Hello.

Jason and Frank, what's your reasoning for voting SpyreX? I don't think he had said anything but 'hello' when you voted him.

[Gideon]

I stated my reason, why do you feel the need to defend him?

I've asked why you're making baseless accusations. I don't think you supplied any reason. Please repeat yourself, because I'm apparently slow on the uptake.

[Gideon]

Hello.

Jason and Frank, what's your reasoning for voting SpyreX? I don't think he had said anything but 'hello' when you voted him.

What stands out about this versus the other votes cast?

Both other votes have been justified, and no other player has had 2 votes. Surely, I must be missing something.

[Gideon]

OK, I'm serious. Why did Jason vote Spyre?

[Gideon]

That's hardly a reason.

[Gideon]

I didn't mean to spark any conflicts over my own misunderstandings. I read the RVS page, but I still don't see why one would risk killing a cop or doctor like that. I think it's best to wait until there's more information to kill anyone.

[Gideon]

It's all good I've got good feelings about you mr Gideon.

What do you take from the last page

Definitely some suspicious behavior. I'll wait to make any accusations.

[Gideon]

Otherwise on day two we lynch Gideon who is overly-defending Spy.

Oh, now I see the concern with my defense of Spy. Forgive me, this is my first game, I was confused why somebody was being lynched randomly. Now, it may be my first game, but I'm not stupid. If I were mafia the smart thing to do would be to distance myself from him. I'm not doing that, am I?

[Gideon]

I'm worried by Toto. He makes several accusations against Frank, but then doesn't vote him, and instead votes Human. Seems to me that he's making this up as he goes. Innocent men don't lie.

VOTE: Toto

[Gideon]

Toto seems to just want

somebody

to die. Not convinced of his innocence.

[Gideon]

I've made way more posts than you, Human. I've made my poinr: Toto messed up, and he's trying to cause confusion to hide his scumminess. He continues to reaffirm my suspicions with every post.

Toto, what's with you and Frank?

[Gideon]

I think Spyre was quiet because he's hiding something. Now he's trying to associate himself with me so when he is revealed to be scum I'll look bad.

VOTE: SpyreX

Then again, this probably looks like a distancing scheme. Does this post incriminate me more than Spyre's?

[Gideon]

Actually, I think Spyre and Toto are the mafia. Toto accused Spyre a lot and he acts scummish. If you think about it, the way their posts mesh together sorta make sense for a scum read.

[Gideon]

Alright, I concede. They're good. I understand the arguments against TownCop.

VOTE: TownCop

[Gideon]

I honestly wasn't planning to maintain a vote against TownCop, but after his most recent posts, I have a pretty strong feeling that he might be mafia. I'm generally wary of people who make a lot of accusations. So far, the most accusations seem to have come from Toto and TownCop. Before TownCop was accused, he was rather quiet and uninterested in scum hunting. After the accusation, he frantically started pointing fingers everywhere. Seems like a pretty strong 'read' to me.

Still, all I know is that I'm town and somebody here isn't.

[Gideon]

I see no reason to vote SmoothBlue. TownCop is trying too hard to be cool under pressure to be town. I'm maintaining my vote.

[Gideon]

Wait what do questions have to do with being town?

[Gideon]

My first vote on TC was a 'test', and his response was to throw accusations everywhere else to distract us. Scummish behavior.

[Gideon]

@Gideon. It seems to me he is reacting the same way you are. Does that mean you are scum too?

Was I ever accused? I thought I was pretty easily a town read.

[Gideon]

SmoothBlue and Spyre who's your top suspicion?

[Gideon]

Well, I'm not angry, but I am becoming more suspicious of SmoothBlue... and I have lots of reasons (gasp)!

He says I am "milking the new player card" but he claimed to be a new player himself:
#114 "I am new to Mafiascum, therefore I'll likely botch some tags and also ask for some lingo/try and research it myself (Did not know about RVS, VI, and I believe VC = Vote Count?)."
#122 "Gideon's defense was very odd considering there was only a couple votes down. He definitely is a new players, but I feel he is milking that "new player card". I'd like to see more content out of him."

He seems to have a conviction that all towns provide lots of content, and all scum provide little content. If this is his honest belief, then it explains the excessive amounts of content he's provided in order to make himself think he looks more like town. See:
#122: "I'd like to see more content out of [Gideon]." "I'd like to see more content from Spy."
#279: "My vibe on Gideon is that he isn't exactly providing content to the thread."
#281: "I can see someone who has more than 2 pages worth of content to sift through to have reads."

It was also mentioned that SmoothBlue's catch up post was suspiciously agreeable... fair point...

He says my 'defense' (if you can call it that - I really just asked why he was being voted) of Spy is scummish, but he does the same thing with TownCop:
#168: "I'm confused right now? What happened with TownCop other than he put Toto on L-2? @Toto and Spy, What am I missing here?"
#169: "The only thing that I see is the possible statistics that the 3rd vote was done by TownCop."
#171: "[in response to #170] TownCop even stated he was doing it to pressure Toto."
#171: "TownCop may be scum and was hoping some new townie would hammer Toto." - small distancing tactic, likely would come back to this as defense if (when) TC turned scum
#171: "Toto did a brutal job of trying to defend himself and had votes flying everywhere and settled on TownCop."
#174: "The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes/opinions based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO." - continued defense of TC

To me, this last part is most telling - he has put a ton of posts into defending TownCop, who also acts very scummish by throwing random accusations everywhere. At this point, I have a very strong feeling that one scum is SmoothBlue, and the other is TownCop. Since there seems to be more support for a SmoothBlue lynch at this point, and in the interest of progress, I vote him.

VOTE: SmoothBlue
(wouldn't want this post to be too far from my normal, right?)

[Gideon]

I'm 100% sure that Gideon has defined himself as town multiple times. Does Gideon not count as someone to you? Does my reasoning make sense now? Either way, he is still providing little content, which is my original point.

Well, to be fair, it doesn't really matter what I say about myself, because even if I were scum I would claim to be town.

[Gideon]

(your point that he switched from experienced to newbie when he needed to is another story).

Isn't the really only nooby thing I did when was question the RVS? I'm not new to mafia in general. I know what I'm doing.

[Gideon]

See towncop does a good job making me paranoid about gideon again to some extent. A puzzle for tomorrow.

Spyre, I'm not your guy. You know I've been town this whole game. I've done nothing but scumhunt and it seems I'm getting warmer, since the guy I'm accusing is trying to get me lynched. I don't really know what good argument he gave against me, so I am honestly confused in that respect.

[Gideon]

Only scum get caught up in hurricanes...

Caught!

[Gideon]

Erm... is a reply to that necessary?

[Gideon]

Smooth seems to be mostly posting in the evening EDT. We'll see.

[Gideon]

Sorry. I'll reply this afternoon, has trouble finding time. Where are the questions I need to answer?

[Gideon]

OK I didn't have internet all afternoon, sorry. Posting now.

[Gideon]

1) Why did you say towncop was ‘throwing accusations everywhere when in fact he was only accusing YOU?

Immediately after he was accused, in #197, he posted this:
"Current reads:
Copper: Towny
HS: Slightly Town
Toto: Slightly Town
Jason: Slightly Town
Spy: Slightly Town
SB: Slightly Scummy
Gideon: Scummy
Frank: Null"

Basically calling 6 people less than town.

2) How do you reconcile that 'the most accusations seem to have come from Toto and TownCop' and next you say 'Before TownCop was accused, he was rather quiet and uninterested in scum hunting'. So he was throwing accusations everywhere, but at the same time he was uninterested in scumhunting?

I meant that in #197 he started being all investigative but before then he would just accuse people of being town/scum without reasons. "Copper seems quite town," "I'd like to see how Toto reacts under pressure," "Gideon does seem quite scummy to me. Constantly changing votes without sufficient reason and just "agreeing" with HS (& spy) to place me at L-1." I guess this is a weaker point.

3) How long have you been playing mafia and where?

I've played Town of Salem, so I thought I knew how guilty people act... much faster pace there, I guess.

I think I was asked for a claim, so here it is; I'm a vanilla townie. Please, don't worst-case-scenario me, use this vote on somebody who's harmful.

[Gideon]

Ok, correction, I do know, and I still get strong scum vibe from SmoothBlue. If I were a gambling man...

[Gideon]

See i swear. This just feels town to me.

Gideon without a cc as we know the setup there's 0 chance of him being scum.

Ok sorry to play "noob card" - what is cc?

[Gideon]

Ah ok. Thanks.

Also, sorry, I forgot this one.
"- 166, he puts TownCop to L-1 with seemingly lame reasoning. I know you clarified later this was a reaction test. This seems conflicting with you earlier, where you were super against early lynches. Did you know you were putting him at L-1?"
Honestly no. Wasn't paying attention. I don't see why anything but the "hammer" matters though... isn't it just a matter of when we're online? Did I miss a wiki article on L1s and scum reading?

"- Gideon, why were you hesitant to make accusations in 47? And why did you ask the question at the end of 158?" My early behavior was very foolish. I was still figuring out the quirks of everything and had just read about distancing, I guess.

No, not playing the noob card for anything I've done recently... only my first like 5 posts I'd like to be forgotten. >_>

[Gideon]

Well, since we're in agreement.
UNVOTE: SmoothBlue