Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[SmoothBlue]

Hi all,

Just some quick information about me. Timezone is EDT currently. I will be very active throughout the week, and should be online more than enough through the weekends.

I am new to Mafiascum, therefore I'll likely botch some tags and also ask for some lingo/try and research it myself (Did not know about RVS, VI, and I believe VC = Vote Count?).

[SmoothBlue]

TownCop. I'm not suspicious to your will to reaction test me. It is suspicious that your excuse for voting me is "I want to see how he reacts under pressure". Which doesn't make any sense. Because if that's what you really wanted you would not say that.

I think it makes perfect sense. Putting someone on L-1 definitely puts more pressure on them and it is a better way of getting "a reaction" rather than randomly voting at the beginning of the game.

[SmoothBlue]

Now the question is, was your slot a mafia replace out? To answer that, what sticks out to you from the pages that happened before you replaced in?

There was a lot of content to go through, I read most of it last night (Read into other games as well, preparing myself for a game) but I'll need to re-read it all again to ensure I haven't missed anything.

Gideon's defense was very odd considering there was only a couple votes down. He definitely is a new players, but I feel he is milking that "new player card". I'd like to see more content out of him.

Jason was very aggressive on the wall page between him and Copper. I don't believe he had to be that aggressive at that stage and so early on in the game.

Since Toto was on L-2, he really hasn't defended himself very well. I also feel its very difficult to defend yourself, especially if a game has a lot of players tunnelling. His words are not making much sense and he really seems to be trying to push the investigation to another player. It's too early for me to tell his alignment yet.

Copper, the past few days it seems like you've placed yourself as a leader role within the group in my opinion. This is due to the conversation with Jason and then thoughtfully explaining to everyone your reasoning and putting others on the defense. The only thing I dislike about your playstyle right now, is you keep confirming players actions as town actions, which as a leader, is a dangerous thing to do because newer players who wagon agree with you more. If you are town it's an awesome advantage for us. If you are scum you can give that extra shove to town to lynch town players.

I'd like to see more content from Spy.

@Jason, since Copper has voiced his opinion on your alignment after the discussion, what are your thoughts on Copper's alignment?

[SmoothBlue]

I've made way more posts than you, Human

Not correct.

[SmoothBlue]

In post 62, SpyreX wrote:
Frank if you could shoot someone right now, who and why


You first. Pinky promise Ill answer after

I'd like to know why you would shoot him first, though you unvoted him in #63 (only 6 posts earlier)

[SmoothBlue]

Guys, can we lynch towncop and copper and /in into the next game please?

Why Copper? I'd ask why TownCop, but you've already established that.

[SmoothBlue]

Now he's trying to associate himself with me

How is he associating himself with you?

[SmoothBlue]

I'm confused right now?

What happened with TownCop other than he put Toto on L-2?

@Toto and Spy
What am I missing here?

[SmoothBlue]

Now he's trying to associate himself with me

Gideon?

How is he associating himself with you?

Alright, I concede. They're good. I understand the arguments against TownCop.

VOTE: TownCop

The only thing that I see is the possible statistics that the 3rd vote was done by TownCop, which Copper noted changes from time to time in games. What arguments are you three seeing that I'm not?

[SmoothBlue]

Put on your scum hat for a moment. You want to make sure town get lynched. Usually that is going to require a vote. But,of course especially as a newer player, you're them forced into a fabrication time. You don't want to leave an unjustified vote so you have to give a reason. Ideally, something you can swing away from if necessary.

Something like for pressure.

And talking about the statistics, presuming knowledge, reading games, etc. You would see while in and of itself a vote is a vote the growth of a wagon starts to dictate scum will be on it.

I see your point, but it is almost the weakest point in this entire thread.

Placing people under the gun is a valuable asset as town. "If you don't claim, or defend yourself, you are on the brink of getting eliminated from the game". I think it was stated VERY clear a couple times in the thread that nobody wanted an early lynch. If this had come about nearing the deadline, I would look more into your reasoning, but this early into day 1.... TownCop even stated he was doing it to pressure Toto. We will need to put people on L-2, L-1 more often for information. Toto/Spy, not placing Mafia into these positions gives them free range and makes them much more dangerous. This makes you both look scummy in my eyes.

TownCop may be scum and was hoping some new townie would hammer Toto. Thus putting the pressure onto the new townie for hammering. Giving mafia two quick kills. I do honestly see where you are coming from but I feel it is way too early in the day for that play.

In my opinion, Toto did a brutal job of trying to defend himself and had votes flying everywhere and settled on TownCop. The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

[SmoothBlue]

The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

I haven't moved my vote. Or even voted.

So big ol swing and miss.

The fact that Spy/Gideon instantly switched their votes/

opinions

based on the above reasoning is quite ridiculous IMO.

[SmoothBlue]

@Jason
That behaviour is just odd. It's like you flipped a "be an asshole" switch, no offense. It's hard to *read* that sort of stuff, but it's worth a note.

[SmoothBlue]

I think Snow is town

Snow?

[SmoothBlue]

the same goes for Gideon and SB he never questioned.

He = Gideon, in this sense, correct?

[SmoothBlue]

SmoothCriminal, stop being scum.

The amount of names I've received this game is astonishing. I'm wondering if you guys can't even read.

[SmoothBlue]

SB is a prime suspect, though. He seems to be playing very reactionary, and his 'catch up' post wasn't very engaging nor convincing for me. It seemed to me that he was using our hindsight to inform how he should be reacting.

Just curious, where did I use anyone's hindsight?

At this point, I have only had my own opinions on people.

[SmoothBlue]

In regards to Gideon,

Right now, I have a town vibe on him. He will need to add more discussion, ask specific players more questions in the future if he wants to stay alive past Day 2.

[SmoothBlue]

I read post 122 as you using others' opinions to inform how yours should look.

@HS,
Other than the Jason outlook, which everyone seemed to have a similar opinion on, who's opinions did I use, where are they stated? I just re-read #122 and see nothing like that post elsewhere. I also was just coming into the game at that point.

@HS
What do you think of Spy right now?

[SmoothBlue]

@SB in post 122 you said Gideon may be 'milking' the newbie card. Can you explain why you said that?

Not sure, but I've seen some new players jump into a game as scum and purposely act like a brand new player to dodge early bullets.

[SmoothBlue]

@SB/Gideon
What is your read on Frank?
Any specific posts Gideon made about your vibe on Gideon, other than the exchange?
SB, what are your thoughts about Copper?
Spyre & Jason have been quite inactive. What do you think this might show?

Frank is null at the moment. Can't get the head to dive into his posts right now. I'll re-read the thread here and give you a more in-depth answer, possibly, if I have time.

My vibe on Gideon is that he isn't exactly providing content to the thread. Expressing that he thinks A is scum and B is town, doesnt exactly help anybody without more content. If you can provide a post where he provide's "good" content, that will be the odd post out.

Copper is same as #122. He did identify that he doesn't want to sway players opinions. Since then he has become more of a moderator and is keeping an open mind about everything. Decent read he is town.

Spy/Jason - Already think Spy is scum for this reason. Best IC ever. I have noticed that he has posted more, but it hasn't been anything that stands out. Jason, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[SmoothBlue]

he left most of it open ended with a TBD (to be determined) note based on future content at the end.

It was my first post in less than an hour of joining the game as a noob. Do you truly expect more?

[SmoothBlue]

I agree with you about not providing the reads though, naturally a town who has gathered information would want to use the info they just gathered.

Did you all have reads at that point? Can you let me know where you all expressed those reads. I can see someone who has more than 2 pages worth of content to sift through to have reads, but I had RVS votes and slight discussions...

[SmoothBlue]

Because, as you can plainly tell, I'm clearly here.

Can you do something other than defend that you are active then, please, because you are not helping town.

[SmoothBlue]

At that point, I was at L-1 (likely to be lynched). It seems to me that SB was defending me pretty hard and making accusations which had a weak base because he knew that I was town (assuming SB is scum), and after I flip town through the mislynch he would gain town cred.
He probably thought that at the time "town will think scum will allow the lynch of a townie, so I (assuming SB is scum) will stop it and town will think I'm a townie" - effectively double wifom.

Quite sure everyone knew you were being tested. I'll agree it does look that way, but I honestly thought you were wrongly accused. What if you flipped scum and I'm town?

[SmoothBlue]

SmoothBlue and Spyre who's your top suspicion?

Spy and you.

Also, sorry for the wall, was away for a bit and seems like I'm under fire.

[SmoothBlue]

@SB in post 122 you said Gideon may be 'milking' the newbie card. Can you explain why you said that?

Not sure, but I've seen some new players jump into a game as scum and purposely act like a brand new player to dodge early bullets.

Didn't you just said you are a noob?

Yes, this is my first mafiascum.net game, but I have played mafia on other sites, Town of Salem, IRL Mafia.

What if you flipped scum and I'm town?

Explain this again. What do you mean here?

What if the person I was defending at the time, got lynched, and flipped scum. If I'm town, what would your opinions of me be? I suspect, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

B is town

I don't see Gideon expressing someone is town, actually. Are you really reading the thread or you just don't need to?


VOTE: SmoothBlue

I'm 100% sure that Gideon has defined himself as town multiple times. Does Gideon not count as someone to you? Does my reasoning make sense now? Either way, he is still providing little content, which is my original point.

[SmoothBlue]

Please don't hammer without a claim. We still have time.

Do you still want me to claim?

Also Gideon stated earlier in #266 that he has no reason voting me.

[SmoothBlue]

Congrats guys, way to shoot people in the foot first. I'm Town Tracker.

[SmoothBlue]

Congrats guys, way to shoot people in the foot first. I'm Town Tracker.

My playstyle is a very defensive one, I usually prod at people until I get the reaction I'm looking for that differs from everything else they have said in the game.

It's hilarious that many of you were so convinced I was scum and were already actively trying to find my buddy, if I would have flipped scum.

[SmoothBlue]

I'll post more tonight. Currently very busy for the next 6-8 hours.

[SmoothBlue]

I'll post more tonight. Currently very busy for the next 6-8 hours.

There won't be an incompatible claim.

Now that I have revealed, are there any other questions you would like me to answer, instead of answering questions from before the reveal?

[SmoothBlue]

do you still feel like the TC wagon was questionable?

Yes, I felt he was wrongly accused.

[SmoothBlue]

The problem is SB was objectively scummy, it seems likely that he is the tracker based on the thread reactions.

I never play mafia, as town, based on my role. Because, I'm town and I'm looking to find scum in either case.
Tracker will just give me more information the longer I live.

I wasn't purposely trying to be scummy, that is just how you all read it.



PS: If there is a doctor, I'm guessing he should be trying to save me come night 1.

[SmoothBlue]

I'm scumhunting based on how people are acting individually. Could you please stop hunting by association?

This is what we all should be doing right now. Once we find 1 scum, then we can look for association.

[SmoothBlue]

I will hammer before i let this go to no lynch

We still have a couple days, why so eager?

[SmoothBlue]

Yea. Coppers line of thought is transparently easy to follow.

Assuming this is all on the up and up, which still rankles, I'm ready to go with #2.

VOTE: jason [\b]

I'd also like to make it very clear i wasn't shocked at the pr claim but I'm surprised it's legit.

Spy, you make no sense.

You are ready to go with your #2 (assuming I was your #1) but you also evaded being on my wagon.

Shortly after you state that you arent surprised I had a PR claim, but was surprised it is legit?


Even if you are a new player to Mafia, in Matrix 6 where you know all of the possible roles, it would be

stupid

to fake a PR claim. Even a new player playing Mafia as scum would and should realize this.

Why did you avoid joining my wagon early? You had every reason to?
- My thoughts are people would be looking back at my arguments (like they are now) and would notice I had it out for you. Joining early wagons shows signs, as we can see by the huge reaction of voting TownCop on statistics and how he handled the Toto L-1. You're experienced though and had avoided my wagon in case it came back to bite you, possibly hoping for a lynch and to stay off the vote counts, staying off the radar.

I claimed a PR and it is legit, now you're not surprised that I claimed a PR, but surprised it was legit.
- Basically you are calling me

stupid

. As per above. Otherwise you were trying to get everyone to lynch someone who has a PR?

[SmoothBlue]

This is only more suspicious to me. Again, as soon as Toto is challenged, he switches his vote to another person with flaky excuses for his past vote.

Reaction test is a pretty convenient explanation for throwing accusations around, especially considering that we didn't get much helpful information out of it.

Regardless, unless you plan to pull the 'reaction test' excuse a third time, your vote on TownCop was fucking stupid. You can't just throw a vote on somebody else and expect us all to flock onto them and analyze them to get the heat off of you. If you're town, you're playing pretty badly.

(Yes I am totally aware I fucked up as well before. Again, I'm sorry)

Copper, what do you think of Toto in light of previous events?
Jason, what do you think of Toto in light of previous events?

Please see the bolded post.

@Frank
I was the spearhead of the Toto pressure, and I am very against a Toto lynch right now.
I understand where you're coming from, and Toto screams nothing but scum to me. However, we have a whole eleven cocking days left before we're forced into a vote.

We need more Jason, Gideon, TownCop(!) and Spyrex. Spyrex has chosen to remain as an observer for now, which irks me, but there isn't much I can do about it. The others have no excuse for being so lax.

Jason, I understand you haven't been at your computer (to my knowledge) since I last asked, but what is your perspective on Toto?

Gideon and TownCop, what do you think of Spyrex's inactivity?

TownCop, do you think I'm scum or town? Is there a real life reason for you being so inactive or are you unsure of what to do in the game? Is it something else?

Vote: TownCop

until I am given a satisfactory answer for his meager five posts in thread.

@Toto
What was a bad thing for me to say? Please be more specific.

@HS
You were one of the first people to jump on the Toto wagon. You had good reasons. It's funny how within 38 posts you went from the bolded part in Quote 1, to unvoting and joining exactly what you said everyone wasn't going to do. (Which funny enough, many did vote TownCop)

What are your thoughts on Toto now?

[SmoothBlue]

Stupid to eliminate the stronger pr (note you are on the diagnoal) if you are scum? Versus hoping a vt claim keeps you alive?

My saying i was surprised isn't saying lynch you. Once again, in this very page, i said you're clearly town without a cc

In my original quote, you said "claim a PR" not claim VT. The issue with claiming a doctor as scum is if someone is a non-strong PR and in a seperate column, they could reveal and douse the scum that way.

Also there is no diagonal in Matrix 6, you should know this....

[SmoothBlue]

The issue with claiming a doctor

The issue with claiming a strong PR***

[SmoothBlue]

What are everyone's thoughts on Toto. He does one post which incriminates TC's play and everyone seemed to have turned into a fan?

@Copper/HS: What other posts from Toto gave you this town vibe from him?

[SmoothBlue]

SB: Why don't you like me? I was the one defending you until you started not making sense.

This game isn't about emotion. In the last two pages, I've asked questions regarding spy, HS and yourself.

[SmoothBlue]

I'd agree with copper. Patience isn't his virtue, but toto feels genuine.

I hope I'm wrong but the whole energy around this feels bad. If we don't see activity soon i will hammer for the reset even though I'm clearly on the record this is gonna be green.

Who do you think we should Lynch?