Application of WOTC

[Ranmaru]

In this model it is made public if the Mod feels it a necessary thing to enforce, so the players can decide and the WOTC'd knows it's happening.

The people who are voting yes to out someone must be known. Its lame to vote for WOTC'ing someone without telling them. Its not ok with any standards.

I think having it public so the person can understand why and both sides are shown and there is actual rational reason for the person being disallowed is the right way to do it no ifs or buts about it who cares about feelings you have to be real.

I

think

WOTC is there to eliminate the need to have to policy lynch a player. Back in the day that was the norm. You wouldn't policy lynch a player willy nillylily. Usually it's for players that don't play the game or to their wincon at all. If it was simply for pure dislike I would disagree with it. (Also would WOTC for toxic behavior and insults)

Maybe someone else can actually give some history on WOTC and how it was beneficial or not. (With stats on who was WOTC'd out of there that deserved it vs those that did not deserve it)

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@Frozen Angel: I don't think it's rude. It seems more vague so it's hard to tell if it's on dislike or constructive dislike. (This person lurked to infinity, etc) If this were made public and there was a valid reason to disallow a person to join then it'd probably be less rude but more constructive so that player could improve.

[Ranmaru]

Fair enough. I have no solid opinion of it (since I don't follow it closely) nor did I see it being used unfairly, yet I still think having it public won't hurt anyway. It'd be the same thing either way. Also why no avatar dude.

[Ranmaru]

I disagree with WOTC being private, it should be public so it is transparent to everyone and there is no mystery. We are all adults here.

[Ranmaru]

WoTC should be a thing but it should also be considered extremely rude to WoTC someone without first sending them a PM saying 'hey I don't want you in this game for reasons X Y and Z please leave it.'

Agreed. Transparency is key.

[Ranmaru]

Vi: I think what Frozen Angel is trying to say is that she feels that when it's done privately and without any reason it feels hurtful because no one actually confronted the offending player at all and instead chooses to secretly shove offending player out without any say or constructive feedback. I did mean mature/rational, and even if we aren't I feel we must try to be. Isn't that what we strive for? I feel if it's public and constructive it'll be fine just as if it was private, as long as the reasoning is there and is again, constructive. If there was a reason that said 'cuz u sux' then I'd be like 'crap reasoning wotc denied' or whatever. This is just a suggestion I mean we'd really have to think more on it but I still am for transparency.

[Ranmaru]

And that's why I want to push it to a single person who has the final say.

MOD: I'm rejecting this entry.
PLAYER: baaaaaaaaaaw why
MOD: Because <embarrassing links>
PLAYER: baaaaaaaaaaw not fair
MOD: Yet I'm the mod. Sorry or something.

Also IME most people who dislike someone enough to blacklist them have either told this to them previously or seen multiple people they respect tell this to them. Post 95 is correct in practice.

I think this is all fine public too. Basically not have everyone vote, I agree with mod intervening.

Like just updating the thread with "

Mod: Ok ScummyMcscummersan, we have determined that you have been WOTC'd for reason A, X, and 3"
ScummyMcscummersan: Ok fine. D: <

See how easy that was? It's public, on one wants to act like a brat in public. I guess people are sensitive everywhere, even my own fraternity brothers, but I call out anyone and I don't care. I'll be direct. You can't solve problems being quiet and 'not talking'. Communication is key, and transparency.

[Ranmaru]

Transparency is key though it's nice to know. It's fair and constructive and if the offending player starts arguing kick em out and everyone knows why they might be a problem.

The WOTC is fine with reasons and when constructive if public yo

[Ranmaru]

Guys chill, let's not get heated.

[Ranmaru]

What is wrong with announcing that a player has been WOTCed and asking if anyone else has a problem?

I think it's fine if the reasons are included, and if the offending player can appeal it by sending a PM to the mod

Then if it's appealed the mod should announce why it was appealed so other players know

[Ranmaru]

She means in the case the reasoning was wrong. Which is why I mention the part of appealing it. Why not include the reasons? If the person deserves to be kicked there should be reasoning, just like a case on a player you want lynched.

mod: wotc because YOU LURKED THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME LAST TIME
me: ok woops

There look how easy that was?

[Ranmaru]

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[Ranmaru]

By stripping them of their rights to respond and stir up drama, by stripping them of their rights to play a game of mafia, you are sending them an unambiguous message that they are not welcome

until they get their shit together

. If you give them a chance to argue back or give them reasons to be fair, then you're missing the point.

WOTC is a *punishment*.

Do you know if they have their shit together by that time though? I agree with getting their shit together of course

[Ranmaru]

So how would you want them to prove themselves otherwise, is my question? (if they can)

[Ranmaru]

Alright, let's end this I think we are going in circles. Thanks for answering accountant. Let's all play mafia.

[Ranmaru]

I don't mind that because playing without an avatar is LAME

[Ranmaru]

We can take criticism.

Have you? Just wondering and if you have, can you show you have improved?

[Ranmaru]

I see I was ignored. Yum please answer.

[Ranmaru]

I did, it's why I asked. That is not a good mindset. Need to be more positive.

[Ranmaru]

Who cares? I can show multiple games where I have, but of course they won't matter to those deadset on me being some sort of criminal.

This is my problem with her and notice she stopped posting for after that. It shows she doesn't care to improve... or show that she is doing so at least.

what is this, mafia?

Vote: Yume

[Ranmaru]

If you are really trying to improve I am willing to listen what criticisms you agree with. I want you to acknowledge your weaknesses and work to improve them. If you need an ear to talk, PM me. No one literally wants you dead. /end

[Ranmaru]

I tried to help you Yume. My offer is still open. I think if you take it you can grow and become a valued member of the site, if you want to. I am not going to reply any further. We are going in circles, and we should focus on getting back on topic. Finally let us be rational.

[Ranmaru]

[Ranmaru]

We should stop replying and go back on topic.

[Ranmaru]

A game of competitive nature is fun when

win.

[Ranmaru]

This thread still continues and I am helping it.

I lol'd.