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Post Post #1981 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:05 am

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*gets out of bed*

I just woke up.

If it's mylo, why are we not no lynching? Are we afraid of an extra scumkill?
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:18 am

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Hey Dong, Lay out the game state for me.

Was the scum lynch based on a guilty? Have we mass claimed?
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:34 am

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We should massclaim. I need to do VCA. If the scum lynch was based on a guilty, let me know as that might invalidate my VCA.

Why are Math and I sotownread?
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:44 am

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Who is in the hood? I'll check to see if Infinity had a counterwagon, if so I can do less reliable vca.

Why am I so townread?
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:10 am

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In post 1989, MathBlade wrote:Me Dong Smart were added in that order.

Another person we were told got added but it is at end of night so consider them not in the hood.
Why is that person added but not added? Huh?
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Post Post #1993 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:59 am

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I presume you have a VCA Math?
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:41 am

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Yeah, we are massclaiming. Can we put the names of everyone who claimed out (maybe again, not feeling 100%).
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:48 am

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Then it's PR or VT massclaim.

Math, pick a pool of 3 and I will pick the first name for popcorn as we are the townreads.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:51 am

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Ok, we are starting with SS. He will claim pr or vt only and popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread. This goes until only one unclaimed player is left. That person fullclaims.

The last PR to claim pr then popcorns fullclaim to their scumread.
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Post Post #2004 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:28 am

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Yup. I noticed JarJar.
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:30 am

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Manuel would just say PR anyway.

Why do you think SS scumreads you and why are you not acting like SS just rolefished you?

Dong is up.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:31 am

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Math, VCA? Why no vca from you? Shall we do it together?
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:18 pm

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I want to lynch you SS and Dong based on my eyeballing the VCA math.
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:21 pm

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In post 2019, MathBlade wrote:I can understand me as I have been on every lynch. However I ask you this: As scum why would I announce something happened to me D2? I didn't hint who intentionally to see who would rolefish and Infinity did. VCA is only part of the picture so I would encourage you to look at D2/D3 especially. It is the same reason on paper you look like scum but as scum Iroanavp acted differently (I say acted as he is banned). Dong or Manuel however are my biggest scum reads.

How do you get the SS scumread based on VCA? I have him as if I am wrong on Manuel or Dong but more than likely because he is my third scumread and this is MyLO he goes in my town camp.
Yeah, this doesn't look wierd at all how you bend over backwards to defend SS...

His wagon spots are just terrible and your vca is summary.
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:21 pm

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Better than what?
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:26 pm

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Why?
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:21 am

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In post 2030, Manuel87 wrote:I am pretty sure S_S isnt scum because he defended me in the Neighborhood before i was added.
As scum he could just sheep Maths read on me and probably get me lynched today.

I also think at least one scum is in the Neighborhood based on the Dunn kill.
He wanted to claim today and would have been pretty much confirmed town.
So JarJar + Titus is unlikely
Why can't SS sheep Math? What if they are both scum.
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:48 am

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I claim Schroedinger's Role. Very rarely is it appropriate but since there's no outstanding claims and I am universally townread, stopping here is good.

Now, are you the least bit concerned about Math protecting you?
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:55 am

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Nah, the purpose is to force scum to claim. Since we know I am not, there's no point in giving scum that info. Like I said, the times where this is a proper move are rare. This is it.

So, why aren't you investigating if Math is white knighting you?
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:04 am

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In post 2042, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2039, Titus wrote:I claim Schroedinger's Role. Very rarely is it appropriate but since there's no outstanding claims and I am universally townread, stopping here is good.

Now, are you the least bit concerned about Math protecting you?
Aka Titus is being stubborn and claiming VT else she would CC Manuel's claim or she and Manuel are scum together. 5 town power roles would not exist that is broke as fuck especially since scum had a one shot tracker. If Titus claims anything but VT it is a scumclaim.
The only way to coherently make this argument supposes knowledge of scum roles.

I could be a PR with an overpowered scumteam or a broken setup. In fact, I just finished a game like that. I tried to use a similar argument. Obviously, I was scum.

So, are you scum?
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:04 am

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In post 2043, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2041, Titus wrote:Nah, the purpose is to force scum to claim. Since we know I am not, there's no point in giving scum that info. Like I said, the times where this is a proper move are rare. This is it.

So, why aren't you investigating if Math is white knighting you?
No point in whiteknighting when a town lynch ends the game

And FYI I scumread you now.
Rolefish noted and denied.
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Post Post #2058 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:29 am

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Jarjar, want to prove SS is scum?
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Post Post #2063 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 2048, MathBlade wrote:So the only way Titus and Manuel are both town is if Titus is a VT. She townreads Manuel ergo she is VT or scum.
Again, this supposes a weak scumteam. Any amount of town power can be countered by scum power.

That is unless you're saying you know the scumteam doesn't have it as a VT.
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:36 am

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In post 2066, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2058, Titus wrote:Jarjar, want to prove SS is scum?
?
You and I vote him now.

It's mylo. It's a risky maneuver and we unvote when not on.

If votes don't pile on, town will know there must be scum in the three of us.
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:37 am

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I'd claim if someone town wanted it. I claimed Schrödinger role because only scum want my role now.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:40 am

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Basically, SS is scum and anyone who cannot see that right now is being dumb and we're at the point where all town must agree so *shrug*

We need Manuel and then the last town to stop being dumb.
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:41 am

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In post 2073, Donempire wrote:Jar gave up and is now shittyposting.
Titus is someone i dont even need to expand on.
Can we finish this?
Sure, change your reads if town.

It took me all of a basic eyeball through the VCs to conclude SS is probably scum.

So, are you scum or intellectually lazy at the moment.
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:42 am

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Oh and JarJar is practically conftown due to being the counter to dead scum.
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:43 am

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I am like 95% certain Math is scum too. Math's balance argument requires knowledge if scum roles.
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:50 am

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In post 1300, inspectorscout wrote:

Vote Count 2.3


JarJarDrinks- [3] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Zachstralkita
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Mathblade, Dunnstral
Transcend - [2] iraonavp, XnadrojX
XnadrojX -[2] Transcend, Gamma Emerald
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Manuel87

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.

With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).
In post 1325, inspectorscout wrote:

Vote Count 2.4


[L-3]
JarJarDrinks- [4] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Manuel87, Transcend
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Mathblade, Dunnstral
Transcend - [2] iraonavp, XnadrojX
XnadrojX -[1] Gamma Emerald
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.
JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday.
Dongempire is V/LA until Sunday.
Mathblade is V/LA until Monday.

So many V/LA's I should go on holiday or something...


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).
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In post 1378, inspectorscout wrote:

Vote Count 2.5


JarJarDrinks- [3] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [0]
[L-2]
Transcend - [5] iraonavp, XnadrojX, Dunnstral, Zachstralkita, Mathblade
XnadrojX -[2] Gamma Emerald, Transcend
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.
JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday.
Dongempire is V/LA until Sunday.
Mathblade is V/LA until Monday.


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).
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In post 1475, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 3.1


JarJarDrinks- [2] Infinity 324, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Gamma Emerald, Mathblade
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] iraonavp
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Dunnstral, XnadrojX, Dongempire, Something_Smart

Mod Notes – I was wondering if after all these days you'd like to eat rope...

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).
In post 1550, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 3.2


JarJarDrinks- [2] Infinity 324, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [0]
[L-3]
Infinity 324 - [3] Gamma Emerald, Mathblade, JarJarDrinks
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] iraonavp
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - Dunnstral, XnadrojX, Dongempire, Something_Smart

Mod Notes – I'll give you rope if you give me love!!!

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).
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In post 1661, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 3.4


JarJarDrinks- [1] Infinity 324
Dunnstral - [0]
[L-2]
Infinity 324 - [4] Gamma Emerald, JarJarDrinks, Mathblade, Dongempire
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - Dunnstral, Something_Smart, Manuel87, XnadrojX,.iraonavp

Mod Notes – Quality Shitmodding

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:53 am

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In post 2079, Donempire wrote:You can call me dumb, intelectually lazy sounds like a moron trying to sound intelligent.
Claim.
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Oh. Math scum. Right of course. Next you say you tr jar.
Huh

VOTE: SS

I showed where JarJar is town.

I am a VT. I am claiming because one of you/Math/SS is brainwashed. Likely you because you're engaging rather than mudslinging.
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:55 am

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In post 2080, Something_Smart wrote:I'm gaining confidence now, in Titus at least. Because I have been on the receiving end of a vehement town!Titus push and she doesn't seem at all the same. Plus she's kinda getting desperate now that people are calling a Titus/JarJar team.

And Titus, you were the backup mod for Walking Dead Season Finale. How closely did you follow the game? If it wasn't very closely, go and look at the VC's and then at the flips and tell me if you still believe what you said about JarJar.
Scum can counter each other in rare instances. Yet, scum are not going to offer up another scum against a guilty.

Scum were wagon shopping against Infinity since day 2.
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:10 am

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So you think Math is the stubbornly wrong one.

OK.

Vote SS then.

We can solve which of Math/Dong is scum tomorrow.

As long as Math keeps posting like they have insider knowledge of scum roles, I have issues with your conclusion.
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:19 am

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There we go. We aren't going to convince SS to scumclaimed anymore than his reads demonstrate unless Math/Dong/Empire ask questions.

For the record, if I squint I can see Mathblade being annoyingly stubborn town. They've worked themselves into insane positions to support a scumread that isn't there.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 2090, MathBlade wrote:We should be no lynching today.

JK, Watcher, Neighborizer, 1 shot BP are all rated 1 point with the exception of Neighborizer which is one and a half.

1 shot tracker is 1/2 a point.

So unless scum have a universal roleblocker ninja that they didnt use to make the kill for shits and giggles then 5 PRs wouldn't exist. Titus claiming VT validates my setup spec more.
I don't know where you're getting this speculation about points from. That's not how balance works.

You're looking for what validates Manuel scum, when scum need to lynch him right now.

You're basically just forcing a Groundhog Day scenario by no lynching.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 2091, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1981, Titus wrote:*gets out of bed*

I just woke up.

If it's mylo, why are we not no lynching? Are we afraid of an extra scumkill?
@Titus explain your hypocrisy.
@JarJar explain your craziness of voting right now.
Not hypocrisy. Known scum = lynch. Known kill or pretend kill = lynch.

Changing minds isn't hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is different standards for different people.

One could argue my mass claim stance was hypocritical but not my lynch stance.
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:36 am

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Balance works by interactions and number of scum players. I have never seen any linear equation model, because that's just you superimposing your beliefs into the thread. Every mod is different. You had this super imposition of what you felt had to be right in Wake's game. The mod won't use your equation to design a setup.

Suppose you're wrong on Manuel. Then what?
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:37 am

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In post 2095, MathBlade wrote:Groundhog Day? Not sure what you mean here.

Scum kill tonight and we have one more bit narrowed down. If they don't it either confirms Manuel as town or inches us closer to a draw. By no lynching we don't move closer to losing. This is MyLO ppl.
The strategic advantage to scum is always to shoot Manuel or no kill. It gives zero info.
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Post Post #2103 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 2101, MathBlade wrote:Yes it does. It pushes us closer to a draw or eventually kills Manuel. Either way if we keep no lynching it is either a draw or info.
Given Manuel is town, forcing scum to shoot me or JarJar is the better play.
They're never shooting you if town. You'll vote Manuel.
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:43 am

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Who is scum if Manuel is town Math?

Scum will never outright kill Manuel (they may remove his bp though) if you refuse to consider him being town and you're town.
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:49 am

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In post 2105, MathBlade wrote:And as you said they won't be forced.

Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.

Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
I am not playing to a draw. I am playing to win.

If we lynch SS and no one dies, we should be netting an extra mislynch. It's 4 v 2.
Lynch SS. It's 4 v 1. 5 alive.

If no one dies, we get to be wrong once.
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:56 am

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In post 2112, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2110, Titus wrote:
In post 2105, MathBlade wrote:And as you said they won't be forced.

Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.

Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
I am not playing to a draw. I am playing to win.

If we lynch SS and no one dies, we should be netting an extra mislynch. It's 4 v 2.
Lynch SS. It's 4 v 1. 5 alive.

If no one dies, we get to be wrong once.
Or we can just no lynch and not have to risk SS being Town and have the same result. I play to not lose which by definition is winning.
You're not really doing that. Scum have no incentive to bus. The teams are pretty well set assuming you're town.

SS/Dong versus Titus/JarJar.

No one supports your scumread on Manuel.

You need to look to see who is scum supposing he is town, and not just in a petulant upset way, but fully reset.
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:58 am

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In post 2107, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 2036, Titus wrote: Why can't SS sheep Math? What if they are both scum.
I thought about them both being scum. Its a possibility. But i dont think they gain much from that.
The only other ppl in the Neigborhood at that point were Dunn and Dong.
Dunn was the nightkill.
Dong wasnt even posting in the neigborhood besides one hello after he got added as the 2nd person after Math.
Also i was/am scumreaading Dong so it would probably have been better/easier for them to convince him to lynch me if they are both scum.
Dunn didnt say who he would add so they didnt know i would be the one reading S_S defending me.

@S_S: If Titus JarJar is the scumteam then why did Dunn die last night?
Fai enough. This also is looking more and more like Math being angry that they're wrong and just bending crap to fit.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:03 am

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In post 2117, MathBlade wrote:Agreed they have no incentive to bus. That is why the NK is so important. It narrows things down and based on where people stand it confirms things. We keep no lynching til there is a kill then whoever is left of me+Manuel decides. Worse case scenario we draw.
They'll narrow things down more if they cannot no kill without giving a mislynch.

If you're going to basically throw the game if Manuel isn't lynched, you should let the rest of us know you have zero effort to reconsider. That way Manuel can vote SS and we can sit around waiting for you to reevaluate.
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:10 am

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In post 2122, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2120, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2117, MathBlade wrote:Worse case scenario we draw.
That is not the worst case scenario.
It is 10v3 in the first post? So only two scum remain. Explain how no lynching loses?

I have intention of reconsidering after an NK.
So if 3 players vote SS, you would refuse to reconsider?
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Post Post #2126 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 2124, MathBlade wrote:I don't contribute to stupid ideas of lynching today. If we lynch it is in my top two. If a third person votes then scum can easily hammer so a third person voting is playing stupid.
And if 3 votes come on and no hammer happens, then what?
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:19 am

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Great Manuel, Math has essentially proven they will not reconsider you being town until proven otherwise.

The only way we can do that is with an SS vote.

I know JarJar and Manuel are town.
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Post Post #2130 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:47 pm

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In post 2129, MathBlade wrote:That is not what I said. What I said is I would need to see a statistically significant amount of time to prove that scum could have hammered and didn't.
Right and that's mathematical proof. You're refusing to consider that you could ever be wrong and others have strategy that could be right. It shouldn't take that to get you to reanalyze.

The Gamestate right now screams you are wrong, but you're head deep into scumreading universal town because of your setup. You did this to me in Wake's game despite 5 or 6 guilties in a row.

You want me to believe you're scumhunting. Do an indepth analysis of who is scum and who is town and why.

I don't feel you are listening at all but you're stuck in your setup view is right and no town would ever disagree with you.

It's ok to demand evidence more than he agrees with me, therefore must be town.
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:34 pm

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1) You aren't forcing anything other than a migraine. If you're town, you're saying it is ok to have a pet read to never move on it or discuss the capability of being wrong.

2) That's not the Gamestate I meant. I meant the social relationships. You're flat out ignoring them.

3) In case A, Find his partner. All the town have to agree. You refusing to discuss anyone else doesn't persuade anyone you've cracked the game, only that you think you do.

In case B, Town can be wrong. You removed your vote according to the VCA. You've defended scum too. It's not so much the events but why. I already know about you getting overly invested in an opinion. So, why?

4) That's why God made spoilers. Yet, if someone asks for an indepth read, focus on the person asking.

5) Sometimes "horrible" setups happen. Mini 1844 had a tracker, odd night weak doctor, 1-shot GS, neighborizer and universal backup versus a rolecop and a backup.

That's setting aside follow the jk only works if there is one scum and town doesn't notice what is going on.
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:39 pm

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In post 886, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 1.21


JarJarDrinks- [0]
Dunnstral - [0]
Zachstralkita - [2] Creature, XnadrojX
[L-3] Creature - [4] iraonavp, Transcend, Zachstralkita, Infinity 324
Infinity 324 - [0]
Transcend - [0]
XnadrojX - [3] Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, Dongempire
iraonavp - [0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [1] Mathblade
Gamma Emerald - [2] Something_Smart, Manuel87
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [1] JarJarDrinks


Not Voting - Nobody!

Mod Notes – XnadrojX is V/LA until tuesday.
Please bold mod communication.


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-10-26 14:14:38).
In post 1074, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 1.FINAL


JarJarDrinks- [0]
Dunnstral - [0]
Zachstralkita - [0]
[L-0] LYNCH Creature - [7] iraonavp, Transcend, Zachstralkita, Infinity 324, Mathblade, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral

Infinity 324 - [0]
Transcend - [1] Creature
XnadrojX - [0]
iraonavp - [0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [3] Something_Smart, Manuel87, JarJarDrinks
Dongempire - [1] XnadrojX
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - Dongempire

Mod notes - A lynch has been achieved. Flip incoming.



With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends Now.
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Vote Count 2.FINAL


JarJarDrinks- [3] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [0]
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [0]
[LYNCH] Transcend - [7] iraonavp, XnadrojX, Mathblade, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, Transcend, Dunnstral

XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.
JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday.
Dongempire is V/LA until Sunday.
Mathblade is V/LA until Monday.


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends Now.
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Infinity was on the end Creature lynch.

Scum were spread supporting a multitude of shitty wagons D1.
If JarJar is town, both D2 lynches were on town, yet scum have a preference to discredit JarJar.

That points to SS scum.

If you're doing VCA please stick to the truth.
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:14 pm

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Math, type the following sentence until blue in the face.

Not every reasonable townie agrees with me.


It's true, but you don't believe it. Well meaning town can be wrong.

1) In mylo, lynch if a) cop guilty, b) obvious town death or c) town has a majority scumread and can get an extra lynch. We're in b and c.

2) There's nothing stopping you from analyzing the reads now. SS's read transgression is terrible and JarJar highlighted it. You aren't doing anything with the information because you're holding town hostage while ignoring the context of the game. This is the third straight finished game where you have done this. I lynched you in the game with RB. In Wake's game you were called to derp to scum. Here, you persist and think your own view must be correct.

3) A)Strongman, Ninja, Roleblocker, pick 2 of 3. Also, like I said occasionally a broken setup passes review. That's because some don't see flaws and people disagree on balance.

B) Is JarJar protecting Manuel too? Right now, we're mostly in the same place regarding the scumteam. Neither of us are voting Manuel. We both think it's SS and Dong. The reason why town won Gunslingers is because I reassessed reads when the Gamestate told me Chumba was being a spoiled entitled brat. You may not like it but Manuel is not getting lynched this game.

If you do a decent VCA, it's meant to tell the story. You don't say these are facts but cannot explain why. That's not a VCA but a self reinforcing cycle.

4) That's not "changing". Changing is figuring out what people need and giving it to them and helping them. Never listening to others and supposing you're the only reasonable townie isn't change at all. Town works best when we work together.

5) Everyone has flaws. If you're town, you don't know the scum rules.

6) Quote all of inspectorscout's VCA.
Copy and Paste into word.
Remove all the [color= orange] and [/color] tags.
Replace names with [color = green] town[/color] and
Infinitynumvers

Post in thread.

There you go.
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #51) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:42 pm

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In post 2140, MathBlade wrote:Now I am driving home and going to sleep shitty day at work :/ Won't have time nor inclination to wall.


Reasonable townies disagree on reads. They don't fucking lynch during MyLO.
Mylo is not autolynch in every instance. I haven't read the rest of your posts yet but saw this.

You've called JarJar and I unreasonable while tunnelling on someone who cannot be scum by the votes cast. Calling everyone who disagrees with you as unreasonable just causes people to shut down. At least one townie disagrees with you, calling people unreasonable when we Ned consensus fails.

Now to read your posts.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #52) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:50 pm

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1) Remember my first rule.
Count the bodies.


If we lynch scum today, and no one dies tonight. We have 5 alive with one scum. That creates a mislynch.

2) Who the crap is Jordan?

3) Handled by Manuel. I'll supplement that Infinity had no purpose given tracker likely acted N1.

4-5) What are the needs of your townreads? What are you doing to meet them? Where did you go wrong before? This is a hard look that's required. I have told you directly but you apparently need to reach this conclusion yourself.

@Math, I have listened to you about Manuel and highlighted the flaw as an egocentric one. Your beliefs about setup spe are not universal.

Please engage in analysis on JarJar's case on SS.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #53) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:12 pm

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1) If we lynch scum, then we get a lylo of you/me OR JarJar/Manuel versus Dong. One of us dying should be a red flag that Manuel is town. Either way, scum are boned if people listen to the dead.
2) Will answer in a moment. It needs its own post.
3) Imposition of your own thoughts on the scumteam as the only reasonable play.
4) What are your townreads saying they need, not what you think they need? What are you doing to address their needs? What have you learned from our prior games about communicating with others?

6) I am referring to post . It's his bussing 101 post which you've ignored.
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Post Post #2147 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:14 pm

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In post 1916, inspectorscout wrote:
Vote Count 4.3


JarJarDrinks- [1] Dongempire
Dunnstral - [0]
[L-1]
XnadrojX -[4] Mathblade, Dunnstral, Manuel87, iraonavp
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] Something_Smart
Manuel87 - [1] XnadrojX
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [1] JarJarDrinks


Not Voting -

Mod Notes – None

With 8 Alive, It Takes 5 to Lynch.

Day 4 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-13 03:54:15)
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Vote Count 4.FINAL


JarJarDrinks- [0]
Dunnstral - [0]
[LYNCH]
XnadrojX -[5] Mathblade, Dunnstral, Manuel87, iraonavp, Dongempire
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] Something_Smart
Manuel87 - [1] XnadrojX
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [1] JarJarDrinks


Not Voting -

Mod Notes – XnadrojX has been hammered.

With 8 Alive, It Takes 5 to Lynch.

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Let's see here, uncontested town lynch the day before lylo. Scum do not want to touch that shit.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:51 am

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Manuel, look. Math apparently knows better than us and what we need. We need SS scum lynched? No. Apparently every scenario leads to you being scummy. I have given up. I hate to say this but unless you me and JarJar agree on Dong or SS, we will draw at best.

Math isn't going to listen to us in death or life and just gives one sentence you're wrong to any sort of rational basis. They have their views and no amount of reasoning will sway them.

They literally do not care to ascertain our desires but instead want to tell us we only desire to agree with her.

That means the three of us need to make a choice with enough time on the clock for Math to feel it's reasonable.

If we had a mislynch, Math would be a policy lynch at this point so that the rest of us can lynch scum. We don't. So that means you have to pick one and JarJar and I follow or lead depending on the name you pick.

Any other result leads to a town lead mislynch of you.


@Math, I am done. Your answers showed me you'll only listen to yourself. You're not this way IRL but seriously, get over yourself. Not all reasonable town share your opinion.
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:08 am

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JarJar and I can do Dong.
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Post Post #2163 (isolation #57) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:04 am

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Post Post #2164 (isolation #58) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:05 am

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@Math, Because I listened to him. You don't know how to listen. You try but you don't.

The countdown to reasonable begins now.
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Post Post #2175 (isolation #59) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:30 am

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Post Post #2179 (isolation #60) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:33 am

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I know you do. Guess what, it was still wrong here.
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