Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[Donempire]

im not reading that
dont you people sleep

[Donempire]

Wow dong is not reading 10 pages lol
Also it's early in the day JarJar reads aregonna be garbage anyways

ive read 6 pages but got bored since it was all but fluff
and day being early doesnt mean u cant have good reads (nit aaying jar has but i do)

I'm not scumreading anyone for disagreeing w/ me. I'm scumreading people for having garbage reads that they shouldn't have.

So you're scumreading people for strongly disagreeing with you?

No. And as I said, I'm just pointing out scumminess where I see it.

My reads are generally good. Therefore when someone attacks my scumreads, I give them townie points. When they attack my townreads, they get scumpoints.

Yes obviously town can have bad reads. One of the points of the game is figuring out if those people are scum or bad town.

my reads of people are always spot on, but no one listens unless im universally tred. do i scumread them all for it? i dont, cause im not a wanker full of himself. btw ur reads arent good, so keep the bragging for when you are sure

@Infinity

I don't know what else I can say 2 u that I haven't. I think you're probably town so I don't really want to continue arguing w/ you about my playstyle except to say I've been incredibly successful with it in all my previous games.

If you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about then I'm game.

so if you thought he was scum you would keep arguing with him? dont understand, ezplain.

im phone posting until weekend so bare with me lads
i'll be reading the pages i havent read in the meantime
maybe
if im bored

[Donempire]

btw ur reads arent good, so keep the bragging for when you are sure

Got any specifics ones u disagree w/?

Sure. Whats your reads list?

so if you thought he was scum you would keep arguing with him? dont understand, ezplain.

What don't you understand about that?

The "ur town so i wont discuss my playstyle" part. it doesnt make sense to me why you would bring up the "ur town" part, cos i dont know why you would want to discuss it with him if you thought he was scum. i didnt get what tf you meant, tldr.

What's so funny?

Posts I quoted can't be real...

mine is. and its a shitpost with no use. thank you.

How about creature

what about him

It looks like you're trying here, but this is once again, extraordinarily shallow.

Poppycock! That's some good scumhunting there bro.

You're implying here that scum would be careless enough to directly contradict themselves and town wouldn't, first of all, which doesn't seem true to me.

Whether or not it seems true to you has no bearing on whether or not it is true.

Again, this is behavior that will come from scum or bad-town. If you just write everything off as "well town can act scummy" (and YES contradictions ARE scummy) then you're not gonna be hanging much scum.

I'll let smart explain his side of it, but I don't think it's a contradiction at all tbh.

So basically you're saying that it isn't a contradiction but even it was, it wouldn't be scummy?

holy shit.
first off, what he obviously meant there was you stating town couldnt do it. no, town can contradict themselves, they are human and their opinions CAN change over time. emphasis on can, the point you are bringing is merely moot as it can be done by careless scum and careless town alike. scumtry to be townread aswell, they dont just sit there and do scummy things, they watch out for it too. it doesnt indicate either alignment and it isnt writing it off as anything. its just something that can kickstart a discussion from there. By itself, scummy it might be, but not enough to convict.
Secondly, if there is a good explanation behind anything then we need to hear it before makinh conclusions about what is scummy or not.

thats all. gnight

[Donempire]

btw ur reads arent good, so keep the bragging for when you are sure

Got any specifics ones u disagree w/?

Sure. Whats your reads list?

Why would you need my readslist? You said my reads aren't good. Did you just say that for no reason?

i said that so i could copy paste your readslist and say i disagree woth all of them. party crasher.

The "ur town so i wont discuss my playstyle" part. it doesnt make sense to me why you would bring up the "ur town" part, cos i dont know why you would want to discuss it with him if you thought he was scum. i didnt get what tf you meant, tldr.

Cause town arguing w/ town is pointless. If I was leaning scum, I'd continue to argue to gauge his reactions.

what
when was discussion pointless again

holy shit.
first off, what he obviously meant there was you stating town couldnt do it. no, town can contradict themselves, they are human and their opinions CAN change over time. emphasis on can, the point you are bringing is merely moot as it can be done by careless scum and careless town alike. scumtry to be townread aswell, they dont just sit there and do scummy things, they watch out for it too. it doesnt indicate either alignment and it isnt writing it off as anything. its just something that can kickstart a discussion from there. By itself, scummy it might be, but not enough to convict.
Secondly, if there is a good explanation behind anything then we need to hear it before makinh conclusions about what is scummy or not.

He was wrong and you're wrong here.

contradictions, making bad reads, lurking, shitposting, etc...

All things that are scummy. Also all things that can come from town or scum. Just because scum or town can both do things doesn't mean they aren't AI. It just means that you shouldn't base an entire read off of them.

I'm not saying that any of these things means someone is confirmed scum. But it's day 1 and I'm certainly gonna scumread people for em when there's not much else to go on.

lol did you read what i posted
thats the exact same thing im pushing

[Donempire]

Whatever. That's your opinion.

Looks like whiteknighting

lol

i said that so i could copy paste your readslist and say i disagree woth all of them. party crasher.

Sounds like a BS excuse.

to you it might but that was my intention.

Whatever. That's your opinion.

Looks like whiteknighting

Whiteknighting who?

lol2

LMFAOOOOOO pagetop jacked

I don't take a whole lot of issue with Something_Smart at all, actually.

This is a scummy post by Zach by the way

Willing to believe Mathblade is incompetant for now

VOTE: Zachstral

Of course it is, I love you buddy but your inability to think sometimes upsets me











.........................but I'm the one who's really stupid

Wanted to get out some quick thoughts since work is going to be til late tonight.

I think the scum team is Zach dunn and something smart.

I don't like how Zach is pulling names from thin air and not supporting his reads. The only thing close to a reason is the psychology bit and while scientifically accurate does nothing to demonstrate whether those impulses are logical.

Furthermore if Zach was calling himself stupid and actually meant it then he would spend time asking questions and investigating people to get more signals into his brain to evaluate. Zach seems only interested in mudslinging.

Combining this with Dunn's sudden switch that looks like cross talk when I wouldn't be mislynched. Combined with how Dunn said I wouldn't be run up this gave Zach a place to camp while not doing anything useful.

Something smart when I played with them was pretty antitown. I don't like how they are wording their interactions with jar jar. They seem way more protown than when I played with them. I like it but it is very much off to how I know something smart to be.

until something smart ur reads are decent enough but if ur reading someone scummy for helping town and only that its dumb. meta isnt a good thing when it comes to mafia, at least not above gameplay right now. i hinder the town, fuck with everyone in my town games but i doubt anyone would scumread me for actually helping town, cos unless i have a deathwish or made a batshit plan to bus each of my teammates i wouldnt be helping town as scum. so yeah.

It seems like Infinity-234 is town-aligned.

Dongempire, what does your signature mean?

nothing

You all will see what I see. And I will cut through the bullshit.

put that to the act wanker

[Donempire]

kay boss

[Donempire]

if im not mistaken Math that amazing confidence you possess, which is actually arrogance, shined brilliantly in Wake's Role Madness where you embarrassed yourself with your reads in regard to myself and Dunnstral's hydra. So did Shaziro.

If anyone cares to know, Dunn said something random offhandedly and those two geniuses turned it into a "mafia crumb" because it was a song lyric. And Dunn said the word blue.

I thought they were joking, but no no no it was a serious read. Which made it even more of a joke to me. But that was the fruit of your genuine detective work.

Yet you're not fazed at all. Really love the tenacity, but it just seems like such a waste. Like you post that, go to work all day, then come back home and still think the same thing? You spent your recreational time formulating bullshit? I'm just telling you in advance, you're going to be sort of disappointed. What is the end result? Because you're not gonna get me lynched. Even if you did, I would flip green. And I think your reads on Dunn and S_S are ludicrous anyway.

Please please please divert your precious precious energy elsewhere, maybe someplace it will be useful. Go wild. Give us some percent equations maybe. Then solve them while we find scum and stuff. I'm telling you, it's gonna be great.

let the guy do his thing if he has fun in it. even better for us if he makes good points. also, "kill me im green" cliche continues like anyones gonna claim red.

Z is a mislynch

why

VOTE: Zachstralkita

Oh good, another scum pulling a gambit.

This is a very bad post

why2.0

VOTE: Zachstralkita

will you ever be usefull

yeah fuck it if we get a speedlynch thatd be fun
VOTE: zach

[Donempire]

yeah fuck it if we get a speedlynch thatd be fun
VOTE: zach

Why do you want the day to end early? Wanna talk with your buddies?

surprised you took it at face value. yes i do want to talk with my buddies, im going to go out with one of them tomorrow, whats your point

well thats not happening. i intend to retract my vote. i would never lynch town anyway

k

[Donempire]

stop the banter mate

[Donempire]

will you ever be usefull

You're one to talk bud

doesnt excuse you for lazyness

[Donempire]

whats an encryptor

[Donempire]

Look who tried to deceive town. Look where my vote is.

thats not deceiving

[Donempire]

Vote Count 1.13

JarJarDrinks- [0]
Dunnstral - [1] Mathblade
Zachstralkita - [3] Zachstralkita, Dunnstral, Creature, Dongempire [L-3]
Creature - [1] Infinity 324
Infinity 324 - [0]
Transcend - [2] AlpacaAlpaca, iraonavp
XnadrojX - [0]
iraonavp - [0]
Mathblade - [0]
AlpacaAlpaca - [1] Transcend
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Something_Smart, XnadrojX, Gamma Emerald

Mod Notes – None.

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-10-26 14:14:38).

"Dongempire [L-3]"???????????????

[Donempire]

oh shit sorry mod

[Donempire]

Tell that to Gistou me who did that to look townie. It is scummy to lie about mechanics. It is deception.

can you link the post/s, because i fail to see how that would make anyone look townie

[Donempire]

that was a theme park game with hidden wincons though, this game isnt even near bastard

[Donempire]

@mod

i dont think 4 people count as 3 people, just saying

Fixed. Thank you.

[Donempire]

progressing in the game thats why

[Donempire]

We watched math spout some more bullshit

[Donempire]

infinity three two four

wanna be power town?

[] yes
[] no
[] maybe
[] applesauce

oh i knoe thr answer

[Donempire]

Not lurking because I am scum, it's because it's so hard to get a read there.

good to know idc

If you think Zach selfvoting is town, take a look at Micro 601, RC did basically the same thing.

no1 thinks it is what r u on

I am having a feeling Gamma is playing different, somewhat more likely Micro 643.

link?

So far Dunn + Gamma

no

Because both of them are very town-aligned to me...

that oughta stop him from pursuiting his reads right
pft

randomorg or manual?

[Donempire]

UNVOTE:

[Donempire]

It's noob town awkward imo

No

Because he's just saying what he thinks and not trying to look good

Except for the facct that he doesnt think

Scum's goal is not to do random weird shit, it's to look town.

Neither is towns purpose lol

Noob scum tend to do random, weird shit even less than some more experienced scum

I don't see how any scum would look at those posts, think "hmm, this looks good," and click submit

I know i did that.
XnadrojX might actually be scum, havent seen much from him and he doesnt seem to be helping. Dont want to jump on the gun this early though.
Though there is creature on the other end of the double edged sword, one which i'll have to look through his iso again.
Infinity coming to jordan's defense with such poor excuses is also something to look for, but weaker than my other scumreads.
Moving on.

When your argument for them being town is longer than their post history it's obvious you've got info we don't

This post is dumb
Especially considering their posts are one sentence bs posts

Ugh, some IRL issues turning up, having trouble keeping up,

I will be V/LA until Tuesday, when my IRL issues are over. I will have limited acess due to being busy.

nothing will change it seems

I have a little time now and read the game properly, Transcend, Infinity324, iraonavp, and MathBlade are Town, Slight suspicion on AlpacaAlpaca and JarJar.
And,
VOTE: Zachstralkita for now.

Why? BECAUSE FUCK ALL THATS WHY! xdxdxdXD

VOTE: Xnadrojx

i hope you're at l-1 when you are out of "v/la"
(im joking.)

There's dunn's post about gamma sheeping transcend. Sound argument but im not gonna quote it cos cant bother. But i'll need more than that to vote him because my last newbie game he played godlike, so godlike he was the top suspect in lylo. As town.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

HAHAHA you fuck. This dude threw shade at Transcend, didn't vote him, and then voted me for following Transcend and calling him out on his actions. This is scum.
VOTE: Dunnstral

what
sheeping is a scum trait, and if you are sheeping someone that is already being questioned by someone that makes it even worse
what is scum here like wot

You think just because I question someone I have to vote them?

You cant really blame him for thinking you scumread him though

Note it after I get nightkilled and Gamma is lynched

Do you really think anyone is going to nk you mate

Because his play is significantly closer to newbtown than newbscum.

No. It isnt. Unless you consider lurking, then shitposting and after that going v/la any newbtown its not. Its just lazy scum, not newb play.

i am a 5-shot dayvig.

i have 5 chances to shoot scum during the course of the day.
the bad news is: if i shoot 3 town, then the mafia instantaneously wins.
im shooting iraona, mathblade, creature, jordan and alpacalpaca
if anyone objects say so now, otherwise, it's show time.

ira and math
i havent read alpaca
shoot others
but wait before they make their case before their head blows too

k thats all im going to play payday the heist until you do a hat trick

[Donempire]

dont shoot alpaca if he gets force replaced though

[Donempire]

i dont know how you would tr me. ive been reading my posts and trying to reach to a final conclusion but they dont seem to do anything to help. i'll be stepping up my game this week hopefully, reduce the walls a bit and whatnot. i stand by my vote on xnadrojx for now and i'll get a readslist ready soon. but my answers to infinity should be enough to content you for now as i dont even have many string reads on other people.
so yeah the point of this is im shit sorry.

[Donempire]

Spoiler: Quote Wall

i dont know how you would tr me.

The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
For your slot the way you argued with jarjar feels townie. You dont have to be useful to be a townread. You have to be useful to have an influence in the votes.

@Infinity: Whats so odd about them? Which ones exactly?

Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.

For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita

Off to bed now.

Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.

It is aligned because it either shows made up reads or a reason to not read them or a minimal impact.

Because no one understands me except a few players when I am town. To see that big a townread at the start when most people consider me crazy I find suspect.

Going to bed now will post more tomorrow.

Transcend wanted examples for my newbtown/newbscum thing. So based on my experience, newbscum tends to be very interesting in their appearance. This can manifest itself in different ways, but what Xnadroj is doing fits none of them.
Here are a few examples of newbscum that I've seen:

Something_Smart in Newbie 1663:
I basically tried to control the game here as much as I could. I set down, based on weak reasons, who I would and wouldn't be willing to lynch, and I experienced a ton of snap read changes without having good progressions.

Dewy in Newbie 1670:
Dewy played up her newb status by asking a lot of questions and also, like me, laid down a lot of reads with long but superficial analysis. Look also at Garrett in this game, who made some awkward posts and then defended himself at the expense of all else.

AlpacaAlpaca in Mini 1792:
Granted, I wasn't in this game. But I followed along and I once again see the trend of putting down a lot of reads and giving a lot of explanation but the explanation isn't very deep and they seem more interested in explaining what they think than in interpreting what people are saying.

What I've described is a standard newbscum situation: they know how to fake reads and how to back them up with evidence, but they're giving too much and not taking in enough. This is very different from what Dongempire described. When Xnadroj posts, he doesn't seem to have any goal in mind besides working out this huge puzzle. Experienced scum might play that way, but specifically among the two archetypes "newbscum" and "newbtown", he fits the "newbtown" one much better.

(I could attempt to describe newbtown, but it's a lot more nebulous and is closely connected with the concept of obvtown, a concept for which a definition would be self-contradictory. However I can still give some of the best examples I've experienced: Ilikebugs in New York 194, JaeReed in Newbie 1706, and Maverick1102 in Micro 615.)

manuel and ira
town
gammas walking on hot sands
creature is a mixed bag but mostly bitter chocolate
ss is good
im getting a post up today

Spoilered the quote wall. Please bold mod communication next time, so it's easier to see.
~Scout

[Donempire]

wow thank you you fucked up my quote list for getting a post ready
@mod can you spoiler that?

[Donempire]

If I don't flip scum, you're going to be forced to cancel your townread on Zach.

Sets it. Dark, bitter chocolate.
VOTE: Creature
ill still keep my eye on jordan. and yes i read s_s's post on the matter, ill get to that.

[Donempire]

@Something_Smart's post about jordan
I disagree. Even if he git answers for the supposed questions he asked he wouldnt get anywhere. From my standpoint, all he is doing right now is stalling, asking useless questions that comew into his mind then disappearing back. The usual questions like "why u scum/townread" this are what i consider null most of the time and not trying to solve the puzzle, as i know from my experience it will either be simply dust or a fire so thick it will whimper in seconds. it might be a possibility that he is a confused newbtown, but that is all that is to it - a possibility. just like any other possibility, and its not uncalled people would push him for making useless posys and then disappearing into thin air.
The reason i unvoted is because i see it more of a null than an actual scumread right now, it just annoyed me so i voted. i do hope whenever he is out of vla we'll see content from him.

[Donempire]

unvote

okay okay dont put him at fucking l-2 you psychos.
the reason i am voting creature is because he is actively unhelpful with his one liners, his classic (if i flip town yada yada) act and wagons are awesome.

[Donempire]

ira seems genuine and confident in his posts, which is domrthing i perceive as a town trait
s_s' posts feel like all around trying to solve the game
reading now

[Donempire]

you really think much of yourself dont you
Jar

[Donempire]

oh boy im going to have a field day with this.

[Donempire]

Right, so i have to bold my responses again, so sorry if your eyes start bleeding.

Spoiler: Reply To JarJarDrinks

Infinity

- Town. It's pretty obvious that Infinity is trying to actually sort me. Reads come off as genuine even if I don't agree w/ several of them. And there's just a ton of actual scumhunting in his ISO.

i townread him too. though i definetely cringe a bit whenever i see the "actually trying to sort me out". World doesnt revolve around you mate

Dunnstral

- Town. Only thing I really don't like is his attacks on Zach. Other than that, reads seem to match mine alot. The whole "scum have an encryptor" thing reads very town to me. In my experience, scum just doesn't like to post WIFOM-ish stuff like that. (K after reading Zachs ISO, I now don't really mind Dunns attack there)

Okay, so if youve read zachs iso why keep the first part in? Okay who cares. Scum have an encryptor thing was mostly shitposting and nai if anything. and thats the point of the wifom dont you think smarty

iraonavp

- townlean. Wish he'd post more content but I like what he has posted. I think his points against transcend are spot on. His reads are pretty similiar to mine.

your reads arent fucking godsend you know. and this is a shit explanation, i like the content hes posted, completely useless and doesnt give readers any info.

MathBlade

- slight townlean. I really hated maths early game as his reads just seemed so bad. But there's just something about his posts that make me believe that he is truly trying to figure the game out. He just needs to drop his Dunn scumread.

your reads arent
who cares
who cares
moving on cause i agree with your read to an extent

Zachstralkita

- null, slight townlean. I was totally townreading zach before I ISO dived him but there's really not much scumhunting and he hasn't been very clear about his reads. The slight townread is basically playstyle.

so... meta? okay

AlpacaAlpaca/Manuel

- Null. Not really enough content for a good read but I think I'm starting to lean town. Very much like the pressure on Gamma.

he has posted more than enough and its actually helping town unlike a certain individual

Transcend

- null, slight scumlean. I get the impression that Transcend wants to townread me but he truly believes that I will never townread him so he keeps me as a backburner scumread. This way when I eventually (in his mind) go after him, he can just go ahead and call me scum instead of trying to convince someone that will already have his mind made up. But other than than that I like most of his townreads and scumreads and he does seem to be trying to sort people (in between his troll posts @ least).

lmfao
nice conspiracy theory

Creature

- scumlean. Not much to add. I see the same reasons for scumreading creature that everyone else has. His posts just have a guarded feel to em. Like he never wants to say more than he has to. Not my top lynch for today since there's scummier people. But I dont hate the wagon. (Actually S_S's most recent posts IS making me kinda hate the wagon)

that oughta explain

XnadrojX

- scumlean. Like I said earlier, his posts occasionally come off as faking noobness. I feel like his town read of me came out of nowhere. He could be trying to just lurk his way through the game

okay sure

Gamma Emerald

- Scum. Man for the quantity of posts in his iso, gamma doesn't say anything. Seriously, do a quick skim and look @ how much fluff is there. It's just nonsense w/ an occasional sheep vote w/o any reasoning. I dont really understand the progression of the creature read going from lynchbait to scum. Also I mentioned how I didn't like the misrep of zach which he wrote off as "I was totally misrepping on purpose".

yeah okay

Dongempire

- Scum. pointed out earlier how he said my reads weren't good. Then he asked me for a reads list after I wanted him to point out the reads he didn't like. He STILL has yet to answer what reads of my he thinks were bad. His entire ISO is pretty content-less. All of his reads are just so empty.

im astounded
seriously astounded
in case you still cant understand, i was sarcastically saying all of your reads were dogshit. but of course. but of fucking course.
depends on your perspective really. the perspective of someone who still calls me out for asking his reads list nonchalauntly.
and ive given ecplanations on any and all of my reads. so if you think they are empty, i dont give a crap. ive done my part.

Something_Smart

- Scum. Has barely posted ANY scumreads this game except for the ones @ the start of the game that he immediately said weren't real reads. Like so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then not commiting to an actual position. And his most recent opportunistic vote on creature just came out of nowhere.

that is ignoring most of the better things he pointed out
its like saying an end model sports car is dogshit because it cant fly and do aerobics.

[Donempire]

fuck off
mod fix this shit

@mod spoiler the quotewall and unspoiler the last text
please

I fixed that shit, yo.

[Donempire]

VOTE: jarjar
interesting choice of nightkill. very interesting.

[Donempire]

no
youre not dumb dont have me explain that one too

[Donempire]

Well Transcend was pressuring him.
Hm.

no
my mind was pressuring me to fucking derphammer too, i didnt
to hell with that reasoning
with that said jarjar is a bigger threat to my mental health so theres that

[Donempire]

man why are you not voting jarjar

[Donempire]

you guys are cancer
and before you ask its not personal insult even though i think only gamma is but i threw the word out there so anyone who thinks himself is cancer can take my word on it, even if it didnt make any fucking sense on any grounds.
tldr vote jar

[Donempire]

rape me and i wont object if thats the case, manuel is town.

[Donempire]

read my older posts, cant be bothered to rephrase them.
but basically his entrance and genuineity (??? i think its spelled)

[Donempire]

shut up manuel
jar is scum because his reads are shit and he is a ego driven c word

[Donempire]

then why does he come with bs reads as town!jar

[Donempire]

lol dunn
you are funny.
@infi, ok seems like a good explanation
(not)

[Donempire]

lol dunn
you are funny.

[Donempire]

vla till sunday

moddddddddd

noted.

[Donempire]

Because nobody I thought was scum-aligned voted you ever...

So the fact that I've NEVER lynched town despite several players including YOU have now lynched TWO townies doesn't matter?

Like you people are seriously terrible if you think I can be scum here. You don't get just say hurr-durr-WIFOM. Explain a single anti-town thing I've done this game.

get out
VOTE: jarjar
You're confirmed now sicko, any last words?
(btw this isnt a personal attack i was calling him sicko since hes mafia pls font modkill)

I won't, no worries. I'm not that strict, last time was just a bit too much imo. I myself often swear, bad habit.(This doesn't mean that insulting is the way to go o: )

[Donempire]

what

[Donempire]

this metagame stuff is bs, and i believe gammas claim over yours. but in retrospect all of you lot are suspicious anyways, i'd like to find scum based on their posts not metagame (mostly because i cant tyvm)
jarjar is confscum based on just that one post. I cant cope with another mislynch, so lets just get it on.

[Donempire]

@gamma no
@jar read

[Donempire]

Jar, you're really that confident, explain your motives. Your response to ira was bs and i demand a real explanation on your behaviour.
My case is that claiming you arent on the lynching wagons and you havent lynched tiwn desnt hold water because
1)you havent lynched scum either, either because you arent trying to convince the town or (more likely) you are an untrustworthy scum
2)you havent stopped us from lynching town, which means you probably townread them, which makes your point obsolete

[Donempire]

i will once jarjar demands an explanation and stops being stubborn and unhelpful

[Donempire]

okay. thats good enough for now. i'll get to reading infinity again.
gammas tunnel seems genuine so i'll have a reread.

[Donempire]

oh and yeah UNVOTE: i guess

[Donempire]

what the fuck are you tslking about thats what i meant anyways i can read holy shit

[Donempire]

VOTE: infinity

[Donempire]

i never crumbed tracker

[Donempire]

Jar even if you are
*cough*
a townie you are still being cancerous
Please stop it

[Donempire]

Jar
Manuel
Jordan
Two of these 3 people are scum.
Jar's play has been unhelpful, hindering and obnoxious this whole game. Manuel's bp claim aside his most recent inputs have been unnotable at best.
Jordans just shitposting.

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VOTE: jar

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Yawn
theres no need to prolong
jar and jordan
explaniton:
jar is scummy
jordan is scummy
2+2

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are you braindead manuel
fluffing this long into the game is a more serious offense than most things and still you're saying that
lol

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VOTE: xnadrojx

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im getting old.

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Im not old, im a fucking student, its a metaphor math.
There was no discussion going, i hammered in intent of atarting a discussion amd because i genuinely thought jordan was scum.
Ss
Math
Ira
Manuel
Jar

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FYI the Neighborization was what I referred to as most neighborizers are weak so I had thought ergo conf town. A nonweak neighborizer is even more powerful damn. Makes me think it is Manuel + Dong or SS. Dong because he was inactive in the hood and SS because his reads seemed more capitalistic.

I was on a total hiatus and refrained from doing anything for those few days on all of ms (november 4-6) so by that logic i wouldnt be able to chech the mafia pt either.
Ss isnt scum too. Youre barking up the wrong tree here math.

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If we do nl math will do so its utterly useless.
we will lynch today. And its not me. Its not going to be town, jar is the pick of the day. End of story. You're blind to even whats in front of you, so either open your eyes or listen to me.

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Math will die*

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Bring out ALL the reasons you have to lynch me, i'll respond to them accordingly. Im not getting lynched.

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Bring out ALL the reasons you have to lynch me.

Have you given even ONE reason you have to lynch me?

Yes. Read the thread. Almost all of my posts.

If we do nl math will do so its utterly useless.
we will lynch today. And its not me. Its not going to be town, jar is the pick of the day. End of story. You're blind to even whats in front of you, so either open your eyes or listen to me.

Let's assume you are right that I would die. How would you know that unless you were scum?

you are the only person who "was" not being scumread by anyone and was leading town. so this pointbis just really terribad and dumb.

If you really thought I was town then you would be trying to convince me of where my mistake on my JarJar read is.

i gave loads of reasons already. I'll quote them all when im out of phone. And why the part "if you thought i was town" has to do with anything?

Secondly again let's assume you are right and town and that I would die. Then other players would see what you said and start examining your reads more thoroughly and see if they had merit or if it was scum flail and you just said who you thought would die.

what the fuck? So what? So what?

The only reason we lynch today is if we are 100% sure no regrets. Otherwise we NL and force scum to narrow down options. If I have to be NK'd in order for us to lynch scum here so be it but I am not an obvious NK here.

You are. Except maybe ira everybody else is being scumread and under spotlight so why the fuck would mafia try and narrow down the options? They. Wouldnt.

FYI the Neighborization was what I referred to as most neighborizers are weak so I had thought ergo conf town. A nonweak neighborizer is even more powerful damn. Makes me think it is Manuel + Dong or SS. Dong because he was inactive in the hood and SS because his reads seemed more capitalistic.

I was on a total hiatus and refrained from doing anything for those few days on all of ms (november 4-6) so by that logic i wouldnt be able to chech the mafia pt either.
Ss isnt scum too. Youre barking up the wrong tree here math.

...Mafia PT? You have a mafia PT?

I really want to lynch this terribad.

I was saying i had to check the mafia pt too but i still went on a total hiatus "so by that LOGIC" i wouldnt check the mfaia thread and as the only other person on mafia do you think thatd be any good? No it wouldnt. I was hinting at not having one.

Ill check the neighbourhood thread more thoroughly when im home. Ill also have tp check the probable mafia pt in case i missed something.
Jesus fucking christ.

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Im not old, im a fucking student, its a metaphor math.
There was no discussion going, i hammered in intent of atarting a discussion amd because i genuinely thought jordan was scum.
Ss
Math
Ira
Manuel
Jar

Why if you think I am killed tonight am I not your top townread?

Even if i like candy more than chocolate, if everybody likes chocolate but some people dislike candy, chocolate is going to sell more.
I couldnt come up with a better metaphor that didnt offend anyone or made sense.

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Oh and hi titus.

*gets out of bed*

I just woke up.

If it's mylo, why are we not no lynching? Are we afraid of an extra scumkill?

Exactly that. our options are as narrow as it can get, and i doubt the mafia will help us up on this further. (spoiler math/nk if nl)
pedit
We havent mass claimed, in fact the only person i think has claimed is manuel whom claimed pr (bp townie)
And no, the lynxh was based on reads alone.
Currently the game is mostly awaiting your input.

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currently everyone but you and math are being sred by someone
And theres a neighbourhood thread

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Um Dong. Infinity certainly WAS lynched based on a guilty.

Gamma saw that Infinity visited the night kill.

Infinity then claimed a role that didn't exist in normals AND said that the reason gamma didn't see the actual killer is cause scum must have a ninja.

Somehow it was still like pulling teeth getting him lynched.

Im so sorry for the mistake there. I thought she was asking about jordan. Ignore me.

Who is in the hood? I'll check to see if Infinity had a counterwagon, if so I can do less reliable vca.

Why am I so townread?

You arent tred. You arent scumread, and that was my point.
(my stance, cant talk about math.)

Me Dong Smart were added in that order.

Another person we were told got added but it is at end of night so consider them not in the hood.

Why is that person added but not added? Huh?

Manuel was added according to the mod. Dunno whats math talking about rn.

So are we massclaiming?

[Donempire]

VT. Popcorn jar

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Lol, if gamma saw anyone else visit zach he wouldn't have chosen to vote just me.

but uh...dong should probably claim since that is a fuckton of PRs

Gloves on time.
Lets examine this post. Infinity was scum and hr was under suspicion at the time. As evidenced by his later posts (#1633) he thought that i had crumbed tracker for whatever reason and was asking me to claim for no apparent reason.

Now answer me this: while you are under suspicion, what is the first thing you do? Ask your mafia buddy to fucking claim right there? And with that mnay powerroles nonetheless too.
Its obvious he was fishing my role since he thought i crumbed, but i didnt. Theres absolutely no reason why a mafia member might say that to his teammate, and with no preparation its even more evident. (Since the claim came after night).
Now lets lynch jar, shall we? We're not going anywhere.

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@math in his first post
Fair enough. Depends on what logic we're going to take account for, but har isnt really innocent per se. Infinity couldve just pushed him to gain some credibility for himself before the claim went through, since jar was a requested lynch and him thinking it would give himsome credibility to bus him before anyone else isnt sorely mistaken. It could be interpretes both ways.

Furthermore thought about this on the drive:

By your own argument JarJar would be town as Infinity pushed JarJar before Gamma claimed. This would make JarJar and infinity opposite alignments and Infinity flipping scum makes JarJar town. Pushing JarJar is a huge disconnect and is very survivalistic. JarJar has been pushed each day and has been on no mislynches. You're going to have to explain your JarJar read. I think it has to do with you being likely scum.

Right, so i have to bold my responses again, so sorry if your eyes start bleeding.

Spoiler: Reply To JarJarDrinks

Infinity

- Town. It's pretty obvious that Infinity is trying to actually sort me. Reads come off as genuine even if I don't agree w/ several of them. And there's just a ton of actual scumhunting in his ISO.

i townread him too. though i definetely cringe a bit whenever i see the "actually trying to sort me out". World doesnt revolve around you mate

Dunnstral

- Town. Only thing I really don't like is his attacks on Zach. Other than that, reads seem to match mine alot. The whole "scum have an encryptor" thing reads very town to me. In my experience, scum just doesn't like to post WIFOM-ish stuff like that. (K after reading Zachs ISO, I now don't really mind Dunns attack there)

Okay, so if youve read zachs iso why keep the first part in? Okay who cares. Scum have an encryptor thing was mostly shitposting and nai if anything. and thats the point of the wifom dont you think smarty

iraonavp

- townlean. Wish he'd post more content but I like what he has posted. I think his points against transcend are spot on. His reads are pretty similiar to mine.

your reads arent fucking godsend you know. and this is a shit explanation, i like the content hes posted, completely useless and doesnt give readers any info.

MathBlade

- slight townlean. I really hated maths early game as his reads just seemed so bad. But there's just something about his posts that make me believe that he is truly trying to figure the game out. He just needs to drop his Dunn scumread.

your reads arent
who cares
who cares
moving on cause i agree with your read to an extent

Zachstralkita

- null, slight townlean. I was totally townreading zach before I ISO dived him but there's really not much scumhunting and he hasn't been very clear about his reads. The slight townread is basically playstyle.

so... meta? okay

AlpacaAlpaca/Manuel

- Null. Not really enough content for a good read but I think I'm starting to lean town. Very much like the pressure on Gamma.

he has posted more than enough and its actually helping town unlike a certain individual

Transcend

- null, slight scumlean. I get the impression that Transcend wants to townread me but he truly believes that I will never townread him so he keeps me as a backburner scumread. This way when I eventually (in his mind) go after him, he can just go ahead and call me scum instead of trying to convince someone that will already have his mind made up. But other than than that I like most of his townreads and scumreads and he does seem to be trying to sort people (in between his troll posts @ least).

lmfao
nice conspiracy theory

Creature

- scumlean. Not much to add. I see the same reasons for scumreading creature that everyone else has. His posts just have a guarded feel to em. Like he never wants to say more than he has to. Not my top lynch for today since there's scummier people. But I dont hate the wagon. (Actually S_S's most recent posts IS making me kinda hate the wagon)

that oughta explain

XnadrojX

- scumlean. Like I said earlier, his posts occasionally come off as faking noobness. I feel like his town read of me came out of nowhere. He could be trying to just lurk his way through the game

okay sure

Gamma Emerald

- Scum. Man for the quantity of posts in his iso, gamma doesn't say anything. Seriously, do a quick skim and look @ how much fluff is there. It's just nonsense w/ an occasional sheep vote w/o any reasoning. I dont really understand the progression of the creature read going from lynchbait to scum. Also I mentioned how I didn't like the misrep of zach which he wrote off as "I was totally misrepping on purpose".

yeah okay

Dongempire

- Scum. pointed out earlier how he said my reads weren't good. Then he asked me for a reads list after I wanted him to point out the reads he didn't like. He STILL has yet to answer what reads of my he thinks were bad. His entire ISO is pretty content-less. All of his reads are just so empty.

im astounded
seriously astounded
in case you still cant understand, i was sarcastically saying all of your reads were dogshit. but of course. but of fucking course.
depends on your perspective really. the perspective of someone who still calls me out for asking his reads list nonchalauntly.
and ive given ecplanations on any and all of my reads. so if you think they are empty, i dont give a crap. ive done my part.

Something_Smart

- Scum. Has barely posted ANY scumreads this game except for the ones @ the start of the game that he immediately said weren't real reads. Like so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then not commiting to an actual position. And his most recent opportunistic vote on creature just came out of nowhere.

that is ignoring most of the better things he pointed out
its like saying an end model sports car is dogshit because it cant fly and do aerobics.

then why does he come with bs reads as town!jar

Because nobody I thought was scum-aligned voted you ever...

So the fact that I've NEVER lynched town despite several players including YOU have now lynched TWO townies doesn't matter?

Like you people are seriously terrible if you think I can be scum here. You don't get just say hurr-durr-WIFOM. Explain a single anti-town thing I've done this game.

get out
VOTE: jarjar
You're confirmed now sicko, any last words?
(btw this isnt a personal attack i was calling him sicko since hes mafia pls font modkill)

I won't, no worries. I'm not that strict, last time was just a bit too much imo. I myself often swear, bad habit.(This doesn't mean that insulting is the way to go o: )

Jar, you're really that confident, explain your motives. Your response to ira was bs and i demand a real explanation on your behaviour.
My case is that claiming you arent on the lynching wagons and you havent lynched tiwn desnt hold water because
1)you havent lynched scum either, either because you arent trying to convince the town or (more likely) you are an untrustworthy scum
2)you havent stopped us from lynching town, which means you probably townread them, which makes your point obsolete

Posts focusing on scumjar. You havent bothered reading or caring about these posts, i dont feel the need to explain again.

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it is titus and jarjar.
My townblock right now is manuel, math and ss. You guys gotta trust me, and thus we can end this caper with no town bloodshed.

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PoE indicates so, before you ask. I got this game figured out, or at least i would like to believe. You guys have to trust me in this last ditch effort so we can easily steamroll this.

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Ss isnt scum shut up and tighten the rope already.

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Ss you too.

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Furthermore Titus asked for mass claim as you should do in Lylo or in extreme cases MyLO but mass claim means everyone.Otherwise she is the one rolefishing.

Rolefishing during mylo nice

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@Dong
For him to push Infinity in that short of time it would be a planned from the get go thing. Either a planned mislynch or bus.
Calling someone a confirmed sicko is just a scumread. I posted arguments why JarJar town arguments I stand by.

Gamnas guilty. Not a bus. It gained me nothing in case of teputation, we simply lynched scum.

Ss isnt scum shut up and tighten the rope already.

U talking to me? I thought I was scum? Who am I supposed to tighten the rope on?

I was talking to titus but the same goes for "U" too. Tighten the rope around your own neck.

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@S_S what changed your townread on me?

My growing townread on Mathblade and my decision that scummy people are probably just scum.

So am i being townread by you? If im not, you should tr me.

I was talking to titus

I thought u were scumreading titus too?

^he gave up
Yes i am

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Jar gave up and is now shittyposting.
Titus is someone i dont even need to expand on.
Can we finish this?

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Joined: May 04, 2013

[Donempire]

You can call me dumb, intelectually lazy sounds like a moron trying to sound intelligent.
Claim.
Pedit
Quote it
Ppedit
Oh. Math scum. Right of course. Next you say you tr jar.
Huh

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No.

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>reasonable xDDDDD
greentext xddddDddDdd

Titus and jar gg lets go dealing with this after a day of exams is just boring the thrill is gone and you are circlejerking, so lets lynchh

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Lmfao i told you from day 1 and you never acted on my tells
Anyways who cares good game scum, i actually didnt expect math at all. Even if we lynched jar i thinm math'd survive. Good game either way.