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[mhsmith0]

Scumsided

10v3
Town Motion Detector
Town Non-Consecutive Watcher
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town 1-shot Rolestopper
Town Weak Neapolitan
5x Vanilla Townies

Vs
Mafia Modified Ascetic
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon

Motion detector is near useless, the only use of 1-shot rolestopper is to make up for the weak role suiciding (and it can really screw w investigatives), weak Neapolitan is gonna be super swingy since it hard confirms w results and dies w guilties.

I don't see at all what kind of town power is here that the roleblocker is required to overcome; watcher is the main power role and even that's nerfed by non consecutive modifier, and can be messed w by rolestopper, roleblocker and ascetic.

Nor do I see why town power is enough that full day talk is needed.

Off the cuff I'd say turn roleblocker into encryptor, and MAYBE slice out the motion detector. Or make roleblocker 1-shot, and turn goon into encryptor.

[mhsmith0]

Correct. Encryptor is worse for scum than full day talk, because he needs to be protected.

[mhsmith0]

The watcher and the weak vanilla cop are basically the roles that matter, with the rest being near cherries on top (rolestopper MIGHT help but 1-shot is always gonna be limited, and can block town power instead). Role cop might slightly help (especially if it hits the encryptor), motion detector is like the ultimate cherry on top role but is mainly there to be claimed as opposed to being useful.

Off the top of my head I think it's balanced. What say everyone else?

[mhsmith0]

I'm fine either way tbh. It's nearly useless anyway. With scum having three actual PRs, I have a slight bias towards giving town that fifth PR even if it sucks, just for the sake of being claimable, but I can live with it taken out.

[mhsmith0]

How do you want to flip? Just say modified ascetic? Full role pm? If the latter, the encryptor related stuff needs to be redacted.

[mhsmith0]

Just say that you can commincaue each night for the non encryptor, and then have the day chat be encryptor specific
See http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8303744

[mhsmith0]

I've always found it easy enough to not mention partners at all in role PM's, and just post all the team role PM's (or just roles) in the scum chat opening post. That way there's a lot less work involved in redacting flips.

Or you could just do (for redacted role PM):

You are allied with

{REDACTED}

[mhsmith0]

Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

It's more its ability to be claimed that I am worried about than the power of the role itself.

Scum have to (unless I'm mistaken) get at least 4 mislynches in to win, and in most games, PR claims are rarely lynched.

Still, it's your setup, so your choice. (I do agree scum is strong enough though as-is).

Surprisingly, PR claims have been getting lynched more often of late it seems.
Large Normal 197 was insanely townsided
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68819
but the first two days were town PR lynches, and scum STILL barely eked out a F3 win.

[mhsmith0]

solid job winning that one. i mean, i didn't actually read it (and there was probably a lot of lolwillage going on), but winning 14v3 with a boatload of town PRs, including a number of useful ones, and very little scum power, is a very solid achievement.

[mhsmith0]

Sure.

[mhsmith0]

wrt rule 5
A No Lynch and Draw votes are acceptable. A No Lynch requires a majority vote; A Draw requires an agreement of all living players. Do not abuse the Draw vote.

Please remove draw votes as being acceptable. It's a nasty angleshooting way that a town that's getting its ass kicked can force scum to agree to a draw. If you want draw as an option, say that you'll only accept it if all living players privately PM you agreement.

I'm ok with this otherwise.

[mhsmith0]

sounds good. i'm ok w it.