Firebinger's Mini Normal Review

[Nexus]

Spoiler: Setup

1x Town Odd Night Rolestopper
1x Town Follower
1x Town Tracker
1x Town Universal Back Up
2x Mafia Goon
1x Mafia 2 shot Jailkeeper
7x Vanilla Townies

Spoiler: First Post

Welcome to Bringer Mafia II

Back-Up Mod:

N/A

Normalcy Reviewers:

Special Thanks To:

Those that brought you Bringer Mafia I (Me)

Playerlist: [13 Players]

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*= prods
BOLD=Confirmed

Alive:
Everyone

Dead:

Important Links/Events:

Spoiler: Second Post

Rules

(Shamelessly stolen from other moderators and changed to fit this game)

General

1. I am the Mod and what I say goes. I reserve the right to change the rules or modkill/force-replace players as I see fit. If this happens, all players will be made aware of this fact.
   
2. That being said, I am perfect. But somehow I still make mistakes, if you see one, let me know. If you questions, comments or whatever feel free to PM me.
   
3. Preface all in-thread messages to the mod with
   @Mod
   .
   
4. Punishment for breaking any of the following rules is on a case-by-case basis and is therefore not fixed.
   
5. This is a game. Play to win, and have fun, because what’s the point if it’s not fun?
   
6. DO NOT TALK ABOUT ONGOING GAMES.
   
   
7. All Global Site Rules Apply

Posting and Voting

1. I hereby reserve the colour
   #FF6000
   for mod use. Don't use it.
   
2. Do not use invisible, encrypted, or ridiculously small text. Everything posted in the game thread should be public.
   
3. All votes must be written in
   bold
   or use the VOTE: Player tag. Unvotes are helpful, but not necessary.
   
4. Votes may
   not
   be contained inside quote, code, area, or spoiler tags.
   
5. A lynch is reached when a majority of all players, half players alive plus one, are voting for the same target.
   
6. If a majority is not reached by the deadline, a No Lynch will occur.

Activity and Deadlines

1. This game runs at faster pace than typical for Normal games, each day Phase lasts 10 in real life days, and nights will last 2 in real life days.
   
2. Failure to post within 36 hours without advance notice will result in a prod.
   
3. You have 24 hours to respond to a prod, lest you be replaced. Regardless, three prods will result in a force-replacement.
   
4. If your role gives you access to a Private Topic, you may request that a partner be poked. This will not count as an official prod.
   
5. Please give notice of V/LA in-thread or via PM.
   
6. If you are going to be V/LA for more than 5 days I will extremely encourage you to replace out.
   
7. A missed Night Action will result in a No Action.

Game Setup

1. This game will start with 13 players and will be a confirmed
   3:10
   setup.
   
2. Please see the Normal Game Wiki for further description of what constitutes a normal game on MafiaScum.
   
3. Mafia team has day chat.

Spoiler: Sample Role PM

Vanilla Townie Role PM

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• You cannot perform any night action.

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

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Spoiler: Role PMs

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Tracker

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you can track a player to see who they visited.
  
• The results you get can be: "No Result", "Player didn't visit anyone", "Player visited X"

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Follower

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you can check a player to see what kind of night action they performed if any.
  
• Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "No Action", "No Result"

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Odd Night Rolestopper

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• You can visit a player to block any actions that will be performed on that player, but still allow that player to act.
  
• You can only act on odd nights.

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Universal Backup

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• Upon the death of the first non vanilla town player, you will gain their role.

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• You cannot perform any night action.

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Mafia Goon

Your allies are Y, and Z,

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you or another ally can perform the factional kill

Win Condition

You win when your team controls 50% of the vote.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Mafia 2 Shot Jailkeeper

Your allies are Y, and Z,

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you or another ally can perform the factional kill
  
• You can also jailkeep a player to prevent them from being killed and them performing an action.
  
• You cannot jailkeep and kill on same night.
  
• You have 2 shots of this ability.

Win Condition

You win when your team controls 50% of the vote.

[Empking]

Your definition of majority is wrong.

What result does the follower get if he follows the role stopper.

I'm thinking the set up looks balanced.

[Nexus]

Is a majority not half+1?

[Empking]

Is a majority not half+1?

Not when you have an odd number.

[Marquis]

half, rounded down, plus one*

[Firebringer]

Your definition of majority is wrong.

What result does the follower get if he follows the role stopper.

I'm thinking the set up looks balanced.

Protective.


And I believe half plus one is right.
I have used that definition for long time.

I can change it though, very semantic.

[Empking]

Your definition of majority is wrong.

What result does the follower get if he follows the role stopper.

I'm thinking the set up looks balanced.

Protective.


And I believe half plus one is right.
I have used that definition for long time.

I can change it though, very semantic.

It doesn't matter because anyone reading will know you don't mean what you say and will ignore it for what they know to be correct. But in that case why say it?

[Firebringer]

Uhhh okay?

[Firebringer]

@Nexus: Not sure how long it will take to get this approved but going to be V/LA till the 9th, just so you know

[Marquis]

I'll look at this tonight

[Firebringer]

Bumped I guess.

[Nexus]

looks fine to me,

[Marquis]

half, rounded down, plus one*

change majority rule to this

[Marquis]

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Follower

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you can check a player to see what kind of night action they performed if any.
  
• Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "No Action", "No Result"

change to

Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "Manipulative", "Miscellaneous", "No Action", "No Result"

(This should align with NAR given list of actions)

(IIRC Jailkeep would fall under both protective and manipulative, but it's been a while and that's more a theoretical if someone asks)

[Marquis]

FTR, this is the actual list of action categories. A Follower in a Normal context "is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it gives the results according to Natural Action Resolution/Normal Game".

Commute - Commuter
Blocking - Roleblocker, Rolestopper
Jailkeep - Jailkeeper
Protection - Doctor, Bodyguard
Miscellaneous - Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor
Kill - Mafia factional kill, SK factional kill, Strongman, Vigilante
Role Investigation - Cop, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Neapolitan
Action Investigation - Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, Motion Detector

In my experience the list I gave in the previous post is how it's been used, but the list according to that NAR quote here works just as well, and will be what some newer players expect due to the Follower wiki wording.

[Marquis]

Oh somehow I missed that there's actually a Jailkeeper in this game.

Either way please decide on a full list of potential Follower results - the one you gave in your original Role PM leaves out a lot of possibilities - and decide what the Jailkeeper follow will result in. (Note that you need to act as if, say, a Roleblocker was a possibility, because it doesn't fall under any of the potential results you first gave.)

Town actually doesn't have as much power as it seems against the 2 shot Jailkeeper, as all the Town PRs are unlikely to get meaningful guilties or innocents. The universal backup helps town but is a bit swingy. I'd honestly reduce the Maf JK to 1 shot here or just make it even night so as to not inhibit the Town Rolestopper.

[Firebringer]

FTR, this is the actual list of action categories. A Follower in a Normal context "is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it gives the results according to Natural Action Resolution/Normal Game".

Commute - Commuter
Blocking - Roleblocker, Rolestopper
Jailkeep - Jailkeeper
Protection - Doctor, Bodyguard
Miscellaneous - Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor
Kill - Mafia factional kill, SK factional kill, Strongman, Vigilante
Role Investigation - Cop, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Neapolitan
Action Investigation - Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, Motion Detector

In my experience the list I gave in the previous post is how it's been used, but the list according to that NAR quote here works just as well, and will be what some newer players expect due to the Follower wiki wording.

I have seen follower used in normal games, and it didn't give these results.

This isn't normal as far as i know of.

[Firebringer]

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Follower

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you can check a player to see what kind of night action they performed if any.
  
• Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "No Action", "No Result"

change to

Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "Manipulative", "Miscellaneous", "No Action", "No Result"

(This should align with NAR given list of actions)

(IIRC Jailkeep would fall under both protective and manipulative, but it's been a while and that's more a theoretical if someone asks)

Okay will change that.

[Firebringer]

ill change the 2 shot jail keeper to 1 shot instead.

[Firebringer]

ill change the 2 shot jail keeper to 1 shot instead.

Scratch that Ill do Even Night Jailkeeper

[Firebringer]

Changes to roles:

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Mafia Even Night Jailkeeper

Your allies are Y, and Z,

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you or another ally can perform the factional kill
  
• You can also jailkeep a player to prevent them from being killed and them performing an action.
  
• You cannot jailkeep and kill on same night.
  
• You can only use your ability on even nights.

Win Condition

You win when your team controls 50% of the vote.

Welcome,

X

, you are a

Town Follower

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
  
• At night you can check a player to see what kind of night action they performed if any.
  
• Your possible results are: "Killing", "Protective", "Investigative", "Manipulative", "Miscellaneous", "No Action", "No Result"

Win Condition

You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

Follower results on roles:

Tracker-Investigative
Rolestopper-Protective
Jail keeper-Protective

[Marquis]

I don't see scum communication mentioned anywhere, so I'm going to assume it's night-only and you're sending each one a PT link separate from their Role PMs

I'm fine with this (aka will approve) as long as you update the rules that a majority vote/lynch requires

1) half the number of living players, 2) rounded down, 3) plus one: for example [13/2 -> 6.5 -> 6 -> 7] or [10/2 -> 5 -> 5 -> 6]

because nothing else is accurate and you have to account for complete first-timers playing your game

anyone else have things to add?

[Firebringer]

I don't see scum communication mentioned anywhere, so I'm going to assume it's night-only and you're sending each one a PT link separate from their Role PMs

I'm fine with this (aka will approve) as long as you update the rules that a majority vote/lynch requires

1) half the number of living players, 2) rounded down, 3) plus one: for example [13/2 -> 6.5 -> 6 -> 7] or [10/2 -> 5 -> 5 -> 6]

because nothing else is accurate and you have to account for complete first-timers playing your game

anyone else have things to add?

Theres day chat its mentioned in opening posts about setup.

Sure about second thing.

This review has been open for more than a month.

[Marquis]

Oh I missed that line RIP.

actually since just the start of the month but please do poke empking and nexus if u want a look asap

[Nexus]

what's up