Micro 675: Heroes of the Storm uPick - Game Over!

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

Hi folks, will probably take me ~24 hour to catch up.

[Persivul]

Through page 10, townie to scummy:

Dunnstral
borkjerfkin
The Oxford Bubbles (due to Raven)
Aj The Epic
Syryana
Charloux
Seiko x Naomi
Shadow_step

[Persivul]

Prob the only thing I'd maybe change is syr/charloux spots

I probably would too based just on this game's content, but my charloux read is influenced by one game I had with him some time ago.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Persivul

Consolidation time.

OK, don't let me catch up.

VOTE: Shadow

My role pretty much lets me prove I'm town tomorrow, so if you're town and lynch me, don't say I didn't warn you.

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PERSIVUL!!!! AJ ASKED YOU TO EXPLAIN YOUR READS AND YOU DIDN'TT!!!

are you scum?? why are ya acting so evasive??

- Bubbles

First, I have a fucking job.

Second, why are you acting so annoying? And the key word is

acting

. This obviously isn't real. If it weren't for your other heads, you would have been lynched already. There's no way you play like this solo.

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And third - when everyone else puts up a full reads list as I have, and explains them all...

then

I'll feel obligated to explain all my reads.

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6 & 7 - rvs
109 - claims will catch up, buddies up to pie
199 - game's been going on 4-1/2 days, still no content.
201 - makes a really easy scum read
202 - the

oops I scum read him, I should have voted him

vote
204 - false bravado
208 & 209 - filler
210 - admits he hadn't really read the thread closely, was just picking on syry as an easy target - this is making me question my syry read
211 - you give reads on charloux, bork, and AJ without reasons - you think that's scummy when others do it, right?
212 - weak attempt at finding an issue
213 - This is bizarre. In the same post you say you know nothing about the flavor, and also note that you needed to send in characters, acknowledging that you had to do at least a little research and learn something about the flavor
229 - A different time zone doesn't explain several days with no real contribution.

I see several scummy things and not a single townie thing so far.

[Persivul]

You're voting town

without explaining why. If you're town that's just crappy play.

I hate these self-proclamations. NSS, scum want people to think they're town too.

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shadow pretty scummy too

Just throwing shit around?

No, he hasn't been. This is the first time I've played with Dunnstral that he's been doing some focused scum hunting and making me solidly town read him. You're the on who's just throwing shit here.

[Persivul]

Uh, just a feeling? I know you like to act like you should be obvious town but you haven't done anything to indicate it

I don't like act like anything. I know I'm town.

Another proclamation.

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VOTE: Aj The Epic

This made me check syry's ISO to that point, and it was a little better than I expected.

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Per the rules there's only town and mafia. The "all" kills means either: it's made-up bullshit; or, there's a vig.

[Persivul]

Btw if you are not certain who to lynch, i suggest you lynch me. I'm useless right now, so the only thing i can do is help you with my ability that activates when i get lynched.

Why don't we just do this?

VOTE: Charloux

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Uh, because he said it will activate a power that benefits town...?

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What if it makes a scum secretly hated tomorrow? That would be pretty useful.

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"Pretty much lets you prove" or "lets you prove"

Pretty much, which is why I said that. It's a role that's town probably 95%+ of the time, but it technically could be mafia.

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What if it does nothing?

Then he's lying, and he's scum.

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I still a little want to lynch shadow because bodyguard medivh is really hamfisted

does anyone else's role not match their ability in HOTS well? Mine is fine.

I had never heard of this before, but a search shows that yes, my role, the way mod made it, fits the flavor.

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Charloux, what is this benefit to town on your death?

[Persivul]

Upon getting lynched, i can reveal the alignment of a target of my choice. Upon getting nightkilled there would be a different outcome, but i'd rather not say what it is.

That's not worth a lynch at this point.
VOTE: Shadow

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I'm not too concerned with my lynch as:
- I'm not very invested in this game yet
- My flip should help town sort people
- My role isn't vital. If I'm here tomorrow I'll use it just to prove it, but afterwards I probably won't use it much.

That said, here's the full claim. I'm:

Kerrigan, the queen of blades

My power is Summon Ultralisk. On D2 and D3, I get an extra vote. I do this publicly, so tomorrow I can vote as Ultralisk in thread and the vote will appear in the VC. The ultralisk disappears in lylo. Per the wiki, "scum doublevoters are not unheard of but still remarkably powerful," i.e. it's usually a town role.

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VOTE: Seiko x Naomi

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intent

Whatcha think of the claim?

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Just vote Dunn with me. zzzz

I'm considering it. This is the first time he's appeared town to me - maybe that's his scum game? Plus, my D1 reads are usually wrong. But really I'd rather do SXN first, and I'm considering TOB. One head townie, one scummy, one absent.

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intent

Whatcha think of the claim?

I didn't want to lynch you today anyway, but these people won't vote Dunn!

Persivul said he will be some sort of confirmed town tomorrow so I don't see a compelling reason to lynch him today.

If you thought my soft claim should buy me a night, what do you think of the SXN push on me overnight?

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Ns does not post like this as scum. I promise.

They can't adapt their current game to their past meta?

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How about syry or oxford? Can you go there?

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Votecount 1.23

Persivul

(4) - Aj The Epic, Seiko x Naomi, borkjerfkin, Syryana

(L-1!)

Shadow_step

(2) - Dunnstral, Persivul

Dunnstral

(1) - Shadow_step

Syryana

(1) - The Oxford Bubbles

Not Voting

(1) - Charloux

With

9

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2017-01-27 06:01:00).

Mod Notes:

None!

There's a pretty good chance that there's one scum on my wagon, and one off, waiting to hammer if necessary.

[Persivul]

What changed your mind on ss?

Nothing - just doesn't seem like it's going to happen at this point. In my theory of 1 on and 1 off my wagon I'd say Seiko or Syry on, shadow or oxford off.

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How about syry or oxford? Can you go there?

Having issues sorting both slots although ravens last contributions before today seemed town

I was also giving the slot a pass because Raven seemed town. BUt with 1 townie, 1 scummy (Bubbles), and 1 mostly absent, it can go either way.

[Persivul]

I gotta drive in to work

I gotta take a dump.

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Persivul (4) - Aj The Epic, Seiko x Naomi, borkjerfkin, Syryana (L-1!)

So, none of you believe my claim?

[Persivul]

Does it actually say this or are you just commentating this part?

I'm paraphrasing. You're generally not allowed to quote PMs.

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Esp if it goes away at LyLo --

I've never seen a role that affects the lynch count - double voter, hated, loved, whatever - that didn't have that feature.

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I just find it odd it would mention those days in specific, considering D3 could be LyLo.

You'll understand when I flip, which is apparently going to be today, as no one's playing.

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The case on me is basically that I replaced in, read half the game, gave reads at that point...and they weren't controversial.

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How about syryana?

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I'll hammer shadow if someone L-1s it. Just doing it this way because no one seems to want to hammer.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Shadow

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VOTE: ULTRALISK: Syryana

This will of course go to Dunn later, but we should hold off on the lynch and have a day phase. I'm just demonstrating the power as promised.

That was possibly the worst NK I've ever seen. Nice job Charloux!

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BTW, the ultralisk is summoned at night (1X), then lasts 2 day phases. I worded it as D2 and D3 as I didn't want to be blocked.

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Definitely think syr is a decent pick for scum 2 yeah.

692 makes me think it might not be syry. Need to check syry's ISO re: Dunn, then TOB.

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Through page 10, townie to scummy:

Dunnstral

borkjerfkin
The Oxford Bubbles (due to Raven)
Aj The Epic

Charloux

Syryana
Seiko x Naomi

Shadow_step

Dunn said these were good reads if Charloux/Syry are flipped, which I've already done above.

TOB and AJ are in the typical area that scum puts their buddy, with Syry also a possibility. Considering AJ's strong town read on Dunn and the voting records, it doesn't look like AJ as the partner. VCs seem to implicate Syry more than TOB, but Dunn's suggestion to move Syry down in the list is to their benefit.

So it looks like TOB or Syry, but it's pretty close. Need to look at things more closely.

[Persivul]

Am I missing something? Why is everyone jumping on me?

Uh, cause mod said you're scum.

[Persivul]

Charloux has chosen Dunnstral.

Dunnstral is aligned with the

Mafia

.

Dude, is this a last-gasp effort (in which case I applaud you for trying), or did you seriously miss this post?

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pers i'm sure he's read the thread

I'd think if he had he'd address the elephant in the room with some BS about a redirect or something. Considering the way it went down, that doesn't seem possible, but you'd think he would at least mention it.

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seiko, did mod tell you you're hated?

[Persivul]

would heavily advise everyone to utterly ignore everything dunn says today

Sound advice...you and your buds should heed it.

[Persivul]

OK, I'm liking syry, and seiko's probably just going to tunnel me if phase continues, so:
VOTE: Ultralisk: Dunnstral
VOTE: Dunnstral

[Persivul]

How bizarre...

[Persivul]

Read his ISO and TOB's, his was worse. He seemed less likely to be Dunn's partner in the early part of the game, but more likely later. Plus VCs - he popped up as fourth man on a wagon more than once.

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Spoiler:

Votecount 1.11

Aj The Epic

(4) - Seiko x Naomi, The Oxford Bubbles, Syryana, borkjerfkin

(L-1!)

Syryana

(1) - Shadow_step

Obvious Alt

(1) - Aj The Epic

Not Voting

(3) - Dunnstral, Obvious Alt, Charloux

With

9

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2017-01-26 06:01:00).

Mod Notes:

A pagetop!

Votecount 1.19

Persivul

(1) - Aj The Epic

Shadow_step

(4) - Dunnstral, borkjerfkin, Persivul, Syryana

(L-1!)

Dunnstral

(1) - Shadow_step

Syryana

(1) - The Oxford Bubbles

Persivul

(1) - Seiko x Naomi

Not Voting

(1) - Charloux

With

9

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2017-01-27 06:01:00).

Mod Notes:

None!

Votecount 1.23

Persivul

(4) - Aj The Epic, Seiko x Naomi, borkjerfkin, Syryana

(L-1!)

Shadow_step

(2) - Dunnstral, Persivul

Dunnstral

(1) - Shadow_step

Syryana

(1) - The Oxford Bubbles

Not Voting

(1) - Charloux

With

9

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2017-01-27 06:01:00).

Mod Notes:

None!

The guy never met an L-1 wagon he didn't like.

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@seiko: I'm going to say this once. I'll say it slowly, so maybe it sinks in:

By...voting...me...you're...saying...that...the...flipped...scum...made...his...partner...HATED.

That's ludicrous.

I'll also note that, if I were scum, you'd be dead. You've been gunning for me. bork went back and forth on me, and had said that if dunn flipped with no power beyond the hated maker (which he did), that would pretty much clear me. There's no way I kill him and let you live.

The only thing holding me back from scum reading you is bork's assurance that you're town.

For now we should be looking at:

VOTE: Ultralisk: Syryana
VOTE: TOB

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you're attempting to say this at the same time as saying that bork's town read on us is the only thing holding you back from scum reading us...

And?

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AJ is the only person whose opinion I'm interested in at this point.

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Why?

You're my only town read right now.

You know very well my opinion on your slot.

Dunnstral knew full well he was caught. His vote on you seems pure wifom.

OK, didn't think you were a fucking idiot too.

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Yes. Did you not read the rest of the thread? It's all there already.

[Persivul]

You know what? Fuck it.
UNVOTE:
UNVOTE: Ultralisk

[Persivul]

That said, here's the full claim. I'm:

Kerrigan, the queen of blades

My power is Summon Ultralisk. On D2 and D3, I get an extra vote. I do this publicly, so tomorrow I can vote as Ultralisk in thread and the vote will appear in the VC. The ultralisk disappears in lylo. Per the wiki, "scum doublevoters are not unheard of but still remarkably powerful," i.e. it's usually a town role.

If you were expecting more, then no, you didn't read the thread.

[Persivul]

Why?

[Persivul]

What does "willing to flip that entire read" mean?

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You know what? Fuck it.

Never mind with the last question. I'm ignoring my advice to myself. You can't expect to rationally persuade people who are willing to swallow as much wifom as you and seiko.

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All right. It would be beneficial for everyone to claim whether they have an ability that can directly and intentionally target us before we claim. I don't have a lot of experience with set-up analysis, but I think this is the correct play.
Would everyone be OK with that?

~ Raven

I wouldn't. Claims are made in order from scummier to townier, so that the scummier can't invent excuses for conflicts. You and syry need to go first, then Seiko and AJ.

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3 heads in that hydra and not one of them can take two minutes to claim...

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Scum making a fake claim could avoid being caught up in a contradiction. That's common knowledge. Why are you pretending like you don't know this?

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I've already full claimed. I have no night targeting ability. I'm a double voter, and this is my last day of it.

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Wow.

VOTE: The Oxford Bubbles

Scum found. I know I have to die today, but lynch this tomorrow. I'm so mislynchable that I figured scum would be tempted to push someone other than me. Syry's hoping my self preservation instinct will kick in and I'll use my second vote to hammer TOB. Then he kills AJ tonight, goes into lylo tomorrow with me and seiko, and has an easy win due to seiko's tunneling.

Further, AJ's claim and TOB's claim support each other. Neither makes sense without the other.

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE: Ultralisk

Talk it out as desired then hammer me.

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So, you have all that reasoning to scum read TOB, and you voted them...but if I had hammered them, you would have governed them.

[Persivul]

Talk it out as desired then hammer me.

Scratch that. When discussion is done I should actually hammer myself.

[Persivul]

Let's say it's a you, bork, Dunnstral LYLO. Bork gets lynched. You're BP that night because Aj targeted you right? Here's what happens.

1. Scum no kills
2. Next day, no lynch happens because lynch is impossible
3. Scum NKs you, wins game

Yes, this is what should happen.

Where's seiko?

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HEY!!!! PERSIVUL!!!! RESPOND TO THIS OR I'LL QUICKHAMMER YA!!!!

Go ahead.

Persivul shouldn't be our lynch target.

Unless Seiko makes a very convincimg reversal on my slot, I absolutely must be the lynch today, or scum wins tomorrow. I'm not joking. I've never hammered myself as town, but in this situation I would, as I'm convinced it would be playing to my wincon.

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On second thought as we're pretty much at an impasse here I'm going to give notty 24 hours to catch up/post his thoughts then I'll hammer Persi.

This works since you're the governor.

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You're obviously not going to hammer me, then govern me, so I'm cool with you being the hammer.

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I don't think any of this is anywhere near as much of a tell as shit like Persi straight up trying to oversell his double-vote as a "confirmed town" role back on D1, which has a hell of a lot more scum motivation than this

Are you scum? I'm having difficulty believing town could be this bad.

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bc atm I'm caught in this sea of wifom and confbias and I need to not be <_>

So what else is new.

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I'm caught up.

VOTE: TOB

What's the reason behind this vote?

~ Raven

You're all caught up, and that's all you have to say?

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He did say that it doesn't work in lylo.

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I still want Persi dead.

I'm a double-voter, which per the wiki is almost always town.

But it could possibly be scum.

Flipped scum made me hated.

That could be wifom.

Scum!Pers could hammer someone now, then kill you tonight.

Uh...more wifom?

I get that you're too deep in the tunnel to come out. I'm just posting this so that, if you're town and we lose, you don't have an excuse in the after game.

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Yeah, cause with the pace of this game, it would have gotten buried quickly!

[Persivul]

I feel like I've been forgetting something. Did I feed the Ultralisk? Can't seem to remember...

VOTE: Ultralisk: Persivul

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Because again, what better way does scum!pers have to get lynched tomorrow than to hammer off town.

That's ridiculous. If I built a case on TOB and hammered, then NK'd seiko, I'd be left tomorrow with you and Syry - you know, the two people who had TOB sitting at L-1. It'd be pretty difficult for either of you to argue that I'm scum for the mislynch when you were on the lynch yourself.

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A govern that takes me to MYLO is a scum claim.

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I guess even mod has given up on this game...