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VOTE: Arts
Please do not take 50 pages to decide this"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Low power game = better for scum"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I'm fairly sure we can pick both thoughIn post 119, Sondam wrote:
You act like this is the only chance were going to get at choosing something there will clearly be better options so why take something that's "eh" and iffy when we can wait and get something greatIn post 113, Maxous wrote:Low power game = better for scum
~Maria"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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TriggeredIn post 128, Leonshade wrote:Govern: None
None is now ineligible for a vote. You must now pick between sciences and arts.
I'll stop fluffposting once the resolution is over."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Alright, caught up.
I have one and a half scumreads
I'll wait for the end of this phase though."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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@PVIn post 113, Maxous wrote:Low power game = better for scum"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Scumlean instead of scumread"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Don't publicly announce what you're building pls.
There's no need to at this stage"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Enough.
The roles are literally based around night kills.
Stop leaving hints who's taking a PR
TIA"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I don't think Drixx would be cheerleading Titus so hard as scum"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I'm gonna townread you just for thisIn post 396, Yuri wrote:Is no one gonna point out that the {X, Y} thing is a terrible plan that still gives scum a 50% chance of hitting the PR they want to kill, and a chance to try again for 100% the next night?
Stop announcing PRs. And you also can't select two and say 'no one else take them'. That guarantees one won't get picked. And tells the scum you're either a doctor or a neighbourizer. They'll nightkill EITHER.
Just pick with your playstyle and if you miss out, try again the next day with higher priority for you."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Let's just go.
Arts isn't gonna win.
Science is not being picked because some of you have already proven you're gonna spend 20 pages a day with over-complicated plans if we do.
I want to start wagoning 2 people anyway"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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VOTE: Spiffeh
Yup.
Felt some of his arguments came across a little disingenuous, didn't like some of his passive-aggressive scumreads and didn't like his fear mongering because of how a town lost a previous game. Felt off
Random vote on Nero doesn't help"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Unexplained vote then.In post 565, Akane and Nebby wrote:
You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.In post 564, Maxous wrote:Random vote on Nero doesn't help
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.
-Nebby
w/e. Semantics.
You know what I mean"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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literally your entire "argument" was don't give scum a roadmap to kills because it imploded in the Thing game.In post 606, Spiffeh wrote:Also, you don't think previous experience with a similar mechanic isn't something I should draw from when deciding how to proceed? You can call it fear mongering,but I think it's weird to jump to a buzzword rather than look at my actual arguments and see if they're plausible.
so what am i supposed to be debating?
IMO, you over-played it
as for the passive-aggressive stuff
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felt like they were overly non-comittal potshots at people."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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i'v actually been showing restraint.In post 608, Fro99er wrote:@LUV - Because Yuri and I thought that post by Maxous was gross at the exact same time. It was a really shallow read.
my comment to Yuri was a little tongue-in-cheek because he wrote a paragraph of obvious common sense at a time when i seen everyone rabble on about X&Y secret codes to confuse scum so much it would start confusing town.
I do think Yuri is town anyway"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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plausible i suppose. i don't want to tunnel here.In post 653, Spiffeh wrote:What's your issue with this reasoning? What do you mean by "overplaying"? Yes I said it multiple times and tried to convince people to vote my way. That's what I do when I feel strongly about something.
I don't know how you could view what I said about Titus as "non-committal". I was very much calling her out on why I felt her reasoning for wanting Science was concerning.
The beeboy thing was basically a douchier way of saying I disagreed with pretty much everything he was saying.
can you explain the Titus read?..how it looked to me is:
Titus: Let's co-ordiante night actions
Spiffeh: No we lost the last time we did that
Titus: Yeah but we might not this time
Spiffeh: ur scum
i mean, Titus wanting to game night actions is something she does all the time anyway, so why the scumread?"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Do what froggy?
Throw a tantrum?
I gave my reasoning, people didn't agree so I compromise to option B"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Alright, brief catch up summary.
Nero town.
Maria/Gerry town.
Mathblade is town. Titus is Titus.
Froggy town who took my comment on Yuri too seriously (I explained the context m8).
Still content with my vote on Spiffeh. His Titus read is not good and the vote on me is lol.
Kyouko possible scum. Attack on beeboy was complete lamesauce.
Don't trust A&N Hydra's over aggression as much as some others do. They're hedging their bets on too many wagons and some of the reads are too surface level looking for my liking."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I don't think so."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Alright"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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i don't see the issue of trusting a meta-read onIn post 1024, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Can you talk to me about your Frogger read? I wasn't a huge fan of the shallow read on LUV from him and the townread on Spiffeh that looked kinda like he was trying to buddy him.Day 1with 21 players.
if he's still holding onto it on Day 4 or something, then yeah ok.
if you read on he actually strongly attacks Spiffeh for his weak hop on the same wagon Frogger was on which was town, beofre hopping on Yuri while i was still the largest wagon.
shows his reads aren't static and he's genuinely searching, imo"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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for the record, the Nebby guy doesn't post like a newbie"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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you should probably get that checkedIn post 1037, Vecna wrote:
Theres other reasons as well. Those involving tingles in certain body parts (my scum radar that is conveniently located in my lower appendix).In post 861, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
He's essentially being voted for being forced to compromise. The reality is that no one was seriously going to go through with Sciences or even Arts once The DEO gave their reasoning.In post 860, Spiffeh wrote:Why don't you like the Max wagon Uzi?"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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My PeregrineV stepping up for an easy townread"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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The wagon that fell apart when as soon as frog!town stopped pushing it.In post 1231, Yuri wrote:
The only problem I have with Maxous is tone stuff and that sort-of-joke townread on me for my mechanics post. Better to ask someone on his wagon.In post 1229, Sondam wrote:
He has the same posting style as a game i was in him that just finished. idk why people scumread him more. can you show me why?In post 1199, Yuri wrote:Just a quick question: what's your read on maxous?
2 sheeping scum minimum on that wagon"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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A&N for one"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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For the record, I'm not so sure on Creature being town."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I would like to compromise to get wagons going but nobody seems interested in any of my 3 reads - Spiffeh, Kyouko, A&N -
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I don't understand what you're asking me here.In post 1285, Spiffeh wrote:
HEY MAXOUS:In post 1017, Maxous wrote:Still content with my vote on Spiffeh. His Titus read is not good and the vote on me is lol.
^ This was to you, please do this.In post 792, Spiffeh wrote:You still haven't answered why basing my argument on a similar game was bad and what you meant by "overplaying" which makes me think you're just throwing out buzz words to make your read sound reasonable.
Just because role management doesn't work in one game doesn't automatically mean it won't work in every game.
You scumread Titus for this apparently.
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Fine Spiffeh. I think we're arguing in circles here anyway.
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Considering that most of the powers are based around night kills I would guess there are at least 2 anti-town kill sources in the game, yeah"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Beeboy worded my issue with A&N better than I did.
As for beeboy himself? Meh, we'll see.
I think it'll become clear either way after a while"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Drixx has clearly implied he wants to be cop investigated and treestumped.
He's town and don't even think of mislynching him. TIA"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I missed your post.In post 1412, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Max: You didn't get back to me on Kyouko.
Kyouko is scummy because his vote on beeboy was rubbish and nothing else he's said has wow'ed me"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Chill on frogger.In post 1418, The DEO wrote:
Maxous wagon is horrible.
Vecna and Frogger need rope after they likely bus Yuri.
~~Math
Fairly confident he's town."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Creature may actually be scumIn post 1497, Creature wrote:If you're scum, you could also nightkill yourself and try to manipulate us."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Those quotes answer each-other.In post 1591, Spiffeh wrote:@MaxousIn post 1335, Spiffeh wrote:
Oh you mean your wagon of 5 people?In post 1235, Maxous wrote:The wagon that fell apart when as soon as frog!town stopped pushing it.
2 sheeping scum minimum on that wagon
Who are those sheeping scum?In post 1340, Spiffeh wrote:@Max I see you are scum reading A&N
I feel they are transparently town
Can you elaborate more on that read?
I also gave a read-list where I explained the read."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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You or Creature.
Actually leaning Creature with recent posts.
@Nebby: my vote is on you"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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You have scumread 10 people in Day 1 by my count.
You just said you wanted to flash wagon three people who are lurking after less than 2 days(!)
Your fingers are in too many pies and it means you can wagon anybody whenever you want, which is what you have been doing"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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uhh no.In post 1659, The DEO wrote:Beeboy: New arrival, null town PV, Town, Town
the beeboy wagon is the dirty one, minus obv-town PV"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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nebby thinks that scum ignore lurkers on Day 1In post 1581, Akane and Nebby wrote:In post 1576, Yuri wrote:
Now, this is actually want I wanted to talk about. Nebby wants to flashwagon the people he thinks scum is saving for mislynches.In post 1383, Akane and Nebby wrote:tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.
-NebbyRule 1 of playing scum: If someone is lurking, let them lurk and eat a mislynch later.
Creature said he was down for those too. Does that make him scum?
-Nebby
so pressuring them is the "town" thing to do"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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can i make a pretty list too?
Yuri(5):Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO,Akane and Nebby,Vecna,Fro99er
Akane and Nebby(5):Yuri,Maxous, beeboy, Nero Cain,Albert B. Rampage
beeboy(4):ssbm_Kyouko,PeregrineV,Spiffeh, Creature
NoticeMeSenpai(1):Elbirn
The DEO(1):Sondam
Fro99er(1):Leonshade
Sondam(1):Drixx
Not Voting (3):Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpa"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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You know, I'm loathsome to break up the Akane wagon, but I just re-read some stuff like Kyouko's ISO...and no , I can't ignore this, it was worse than I thought
VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
26 posts of saying as little as possible.
If there's one slamdunk scum right now, it's him"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Just call beeboy a gut read"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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"Beeboy is playing differently than this one town game a year ago"
Who cares, sometimes people play different.
This wagon is toxic."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Creature is rolefishing"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Titus, have you even read Kyouko's ISO?
How is he not scum."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Drixx is taking the treestump.
There is no reason for anyone else to take it"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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PV, Drixx is taking the treestump and has asked to be cop investigated so he can be a permanent confirmed town voice.In post 1924, PeregrineV wrote:
Whoever takes treestump needs to be lynched or vigged as soon as possible.In post 1916, Maxous wrote:Drixx is taking the treestump.
There is no reason for anyone else to take it
Town won't give a shit, since they are still in the game, and if scum then they have no vote and won't count against our numbers and will probably not bother posting anyway.
As of now, that's the plan."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Stonehenge.In post 1931, PeregrineV wrote:
Yeah, and that makes sense to you?In post 1928, Maxous wrote:
PV, Drixx is taking the treestump and has asked to be cop investigated so he can be a permanent confirmed town voice.In post 1924, PeregrineV wrote:
Whoever takes treestump needs to be lynched or vigged as soon as possible.In post 1916, Maxous wrote:Drixx is taking the treestump.
There is no reason for anyone else to take it
Town won't give a shit, since they are still in the game, and if scum then they have no vote and won't count against our numbers and will probably not bother posting anyway.
As of now, that's the plan.
I don't see a cop investigation wonder, so how will this be accomplished?
He can be a permanent confirmed town voice by coming in here and be town and stuff."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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if anybody but Drixx takes the treestump then i will personally grab a vig later and shoot them
is that a good enough reason for everybody?"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Meh fine, it's probably over-aggressive.In post 2054, Spiffeh wrote: Drixx is one of the last people I would want to have as a treestump given his activity in this game so far.
Bullying others who may have wanted that role out of it is ridiculous given what Drixx has provided."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I sympathise with beeboy's vote tbh"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Not much to say.
Yuri is a meh lynch but at least it's not beeboy.
Kyouko is still the best vote."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Eh.
I would hammer but I predict I'd get a lot of grief for it if Yuri flips town"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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NMS feels town honestly"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Frustration and tone feel very real"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Who is the alliance?"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I see all these "null reads" on Kyouko.
But there's not enough information to read him!
Complete rubbish.
these "null reads" are first on my list for scum buddies."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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Do what?In post 3166, Akane and Nebby wrote:
Yo I see a bunch of complaining but not enough of the doing things.In post 3162, Maxous wrote:I see all these "null reads" on Kyouko.
But there's not enough information to read him!
Complete rubbish.
these "null reads" are first on my list for scum buddies.
Doing thing with it.
-Nebby
Kyouko isn't even posting.
And when he does post he talks in circles and says nothing anyway
(Which is why he's scum)"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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I'll compromise on creature.
Kinda sick of him scumming this thread"And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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