Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Drixx]

Let me rephrase why science is bad for town: Scum is going to have daychat. As soon as they know what wonders come up during the next day, they have -5- persons to strategize how to obtain the most powerfull wonders for themselves.

Any vote for a resolution is a scumvote from here on out.

it is so decreed by me, vecna

Scum will only have daychat if one of their team decides to build the wonder that allows it. That person then has to survive, which makes them easier to spot (assuming we don't do the usual thing where lurkers get allowed to lurk the first few days for no fucking reason). As an added bonus, whenever the mid game mass claim arrives, that person has to lie.

And umm... limit 1 wonder per player means a scum team of (wait ... you know it's 5???) your indicated size will get to strategize exactly N-1 times all game (I'm assuming scum take daychat). I can see that being an advantage to them, sure, but there's way more town than scum. Further, scum are the informed minority. Sciences gives everyone extra info and thus closes the information gap. In other words ... your logic needs work.

Finally, we have Titus in game, and once we know we can trust Titus, that's the biggest reason to advocate for more info. For anyone who isn't aware of how absurdly good she is at synergizing town roles, go mosey on over to Suikoden mafia and watch as she takes a few seemingly weak roles and gets them working together and

gets the entire fucking scum team right on day one, with no town on her scum list, except the 2-man mason team who were giving a false positive (and included me, who Titus notoriously distrusts)

. Yeah ... I'm going to say we play the odds that Titus is more likely town than not and we close the info gap.

Thanks for trying to shove your shitty logic down our throats though. Also, will be watching since that certainty of scum team size might be a slip. on you!

VOTE: Science

The fact that Titus is not acknowledging the concerns for Sciences that a few of us have raised and keeps harping on "but we could do this with these roles!!!" is concerning.

Spiffeh you're better than this. Titus is absurdly good with information and if people will let her do her thing. Throwing shade on her for doing exactly what one would expect her to do as town ... not so good.

@Titus I refuse to go another game coordinating night actions unnecessarily after The Thing Mafia. The Thing was different in that everyone's role was public knowledge so it made sense to coordinate night actions and even then, scum had a pretty easy time slipping through the cracks because of every night action being public.

What you're suggesting gives scum a roadmap as to how to proceed during the night JUST like it did in that game.

I still have PTSD
~Maria

Well, that's an issue and if you feel that way, I don't think my words will stop you. It hinders my towngame to have less information, so that is why I said it is a personal choice. I still feel town coordinate better than scum if we keep asking the why factor, something that was missed in The Thing after we died.

That being said, anyone who makes an argument about scum can coordinate too is *side eye*. Of course scum can, but that reeks more of denying info to town boogeyman. Saying town sucks at coordinating is different.

If I can identify town early, I am good at optimizing us.

Yet others do not play like that as a whole.

So we're going to play sub-optimally because a couple of people screwed up in a different game with different players with different mechanics? What kind of reasoning ends up with that as an end point? Wake up sheeple ... each game is a unique entity. Take what's useful from it and leave the rest behind.

Right now, scum have to choose whether or not to pick one of the existing wonders.

Why do people want to pick science that will tell them that better scum powers are coming?

Because we outnumber scum greatly and it closes the information gap.

I think the tree stump power is arguable the best one depending on who takes it.

Agreed. I am tempted to just declare I'm going to take it, as I unilaterally did in Space Dandy 2 ... but that kind of caused a shitstorm.

Intent to build tree stump wonder. Any objections?

No wonder powers so far have been 1-shot actions either so I also don't feel like playing around that either. (Also if we see a blocked cop whoever takes a roleblocker power would obviously be conf scum.)

Also I am assuming whoever takes the treestump power is scum and will ignore them.

That's why a townie should try to take it, to block scum from getting it.

Tree stump in the hands of an engaged active town player who is good in the mid and late game is like ... crazy optimal.

Yuck. The only player that should claim tomorrow is Stonehenge and Treestump. Maybe not Stonehenge.

Why should the Treestump claim? If town, the Treestump drawing the night kill would be better than anyone else.

Treestump hides flip. That's a negative utility that gets claimed. It should only go to people who we insist stay at endgame. There's only one person who has posted that I feel confident as town with that ability (not us).

Agreed. Treestump claims due to the negative utility associated with it. This isn't normal treestump where you KNOW that the person is town because they flipped and you basically have a voteless IC. Whomever stumps this game will only be as powerful as their ability to build town cohesion and earn trust. Also ... probably should be someone who is good at the end game.

The list of people who can do both of those things effectively (from among whom I've played with recently enough to be confident I know them well) isn't tremendously long.

[Drixx]

I bet india is a 3rd party factions that automatically wins it survives to the modern age

Why? Seriously ... why?

[Drixx]

Can we hammer a vote on None before Science actually becomes a plausible please

Seriously? What part of "we have a player incredible at synergizing town roles" and "closing the information gap" were unclear?

It would be one thing if wonders were unlimited, but you're talking about literally leaving us in the dark and keeping the informed minority stronger because why again? You realize scum will almost certainly just take their daychat today, bumping them up in priority and they will be selective whether they can see ahead or not. They'll want to be high priority so they can take whatever will help them. Gouging out our eyes and keeping the info gap the same isn't going to change that.

You're literally arguing scum's case for them. In a stunning case of irony, this makes me fairly certain you're town.


P-Edit: Because why on earth would scum commit themselves to their best viable course so vocally when it looks like we're going to be stupid and give it to them without any need for them to expose themselves at all?

[Drixx]

Don't publicly announce what you're building pls.
There's no need to at this stage

Umm... unique circumstance for me. You need only go read Space Dandy 2 to understand. (Warning: it got STUPIDLY ABSURDLY nasty ... it's not pleasant).

Titus I wouldn't be surprised if I am, but I seriously don't like the None wagon. I think I'ma talk more time to sort the people who are voting None in a bit.
-Nebby

pedit: tbh I never played with spliff before.

Spiffeh is very skilled as town. I haven't played with scum Spiffeh in awhile (if ever), but I can attest to the Spiffeh not wanting to plan is his genuine concern.

I don't mind Drixx being a treestump. It's a little suboptimal to claim it, but I can see why he did.

Confident I can OTAF and I have zero interest in rehashing SD2 territory with you. That's in line with the whole "take what's useful and leave the other shit behind" mentality. It's useful not to alienate people.


P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

Also because you seem to not yet have realized that in mafia information = power, let me lay it out for you like you were five:

1.) Right now, scum are the informed minority. They know who they are and therefore they know who isn't them. Presuming they build the daychat wonder, they will gain the additional advantage of being able to co-ordinate in private. This should be self-evident and obvious to anyone who has EVER played mafia before, but just making sure you realize.

2.) Right now we can call the info gap something like Scum: 2 - Town: 0 -- The info they have is valuable (the entire game rests on them keeping it secret after all) and this game is designed so that power increases over time. This means we need to close that gap as quickly as possible because we don't have any necessarily baked in ways to do it. Scum are obviously going to try and take wonders that grant investigates and such, unless they're absurdly ballsy and think they won't get caught (in which case this will be a LOL win for town).

3.) It's irrelevant that scum also gain the knowledge. Town gains knowledge where we had none while scum gains no additional advantage over town. Plus we have larger numbers so we're more likely to win priority battles by making informed choices than scum are, at least in the short term (unless everyone is in a full on rush to get their wonder, which is stupid and anyone who doesn't realize why should probably ask instead of staying silent), and possibly for the entire game if we play it right. Scum 4: - Town: 2 is way better than where we're at now, and if you don't understand why or get the analogy ... I'm not sure how to help you.


P-edit 2: Team size is never a certainty. I can point out countless large themed games where team size was not as expected. The example that always makes we wary of people who are sure (which indicates they slipped or are way too cocky for the good of the town) is We Didn't Playtest This. Town lost because of bad assumptions about scum team size and composition ... and the worst part is that Plotinus replaced in and did an absurd amount of solid work and came to conclusions that would be sound if one just assumes "X game size = Y scum".

Also what Yuri said in #276. I'm analytical and arrogant and good at the late game and I'm very difficult to lynch and usually manage to keep myself questionable enough to avoid the night kill, unless I want the night kill, in which case I draw it, as I did in Inception mafia last year. I only get killed if I want to get killed, basically. The point of me taking stump and

declaring

I'm doing so is because I can then use the rest of the game to OTAF myself and help town and everyone knows from the jump what I'm doing.

If you

really

want to argue that my first move as scum would be to do the stupidest possible thing scum could do ... be my guest. Nobody who knows me is going to buy that shit though.

[Drixx]

Ok I didnt want to post this but all the dumbasses are forcing me.

SCUM WANTS SCIENCE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO -NOT- PICK THE SHITTY DAYCHAT. WHICH IS A WASTE. OF A SLOT

WITH SCIENCE, THEY CAN DISCUSS DURING THE NIGHT HOW THEY COORDINATE THE PICKING OF ABILITIES AND HOW TO DIVIDE THEM.

WITHOUT SCIENCE, THEY NEED DAYCHAT TO COORDINATE

picking science effectively gives scum the opportunity to pass on daychat. We WANT them to be forced to pick daychat.

Everyone arguing so hard why they want science probably realized this.

Main person is Drixx who is literally bringing out all the bad arguments why we need it and is trying to -shade- me and my logic hard.

How do you feel about that Titus? Ignore the parts where he is caressing your ego and all that, and look at the argument he is making and how hard he is pushing it, pretty much just forcing all kinds of nonsense together just to discredit my reasoning.

What kind of special are you? Are you

seriously

trying to argue that any scum team would pass on a day chat facilitator just on the HOPE that something better might be attained later in the game ... just because they can discuss what to build at night if we research science? That's your whole logical thought process?

And here I was assuming you had something actually important you were not saying and not something so completely implausible as to be absurd to even worry about.

Paranoid? No I don't think so.

TRYING TOO HARD

to look paranoid.

[Drixx]

P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

he really didn't respond with bullshit though.

No ... I mean embedding his responses in my quote so that it's absurdly difficult to see them and respond to them on the post a reply screen. Making the game harder on someone else is a dick move, and I'll just ignore any fucker who does that to me. I ain't got time for that shit.

[Drixx]

You're really underestimating how dysfunctional town can be Drix.

Not at all. I know that VERY well from experience. I also know just how powerful town can be if even just a few town recognize each other and work together. As an example ... if I can get a solid town read on Titus and ABR and OTAF to them, the three of us would wreck any scum team like 99 times out of 100. Not ego or pride speaking ... we're just all good in different ways and working together we become a juggernaut.

See: Suikoden, Inception

Towns don't HAVE to be dysfunctional. Simple truth.

What kind of special are you? Are you seriously trying to argue that any scum team would pass on a day chat facilitator just on the HOPE that something better might be attained later in the game

That's not what he said at all.

He said if we choose science, scum will be able to see even more options. Like possibly twice as many, and then pass up day chat to coordinate at night because now they have two days worth of powers to coordinate.

He never said they were passing on day chat to hope something else later was better.

The only reason to pass on day chat would be because they hope something better will come along later. Day chat is like one of the main advantages scum have on this site (and the site statistics back it up). The idea that they would pass on it (remember: they can only build it today ... if they pass on it, then presumably it's gone forever {excepting if multiple wonders repeat the same effect, which would be lazy and I know Nahdia isn't}) just because Science lets them plan what buildings to try for at night ... is just plain absurd. Planning which buildings to take is like priority level negative (insert really large integer) compared to what scum can use day chat to coordinate. The whole argument is so over the top ridiculous that I'm seriously wondering if Vecna is just trolling me at this point.

Idk I'm of the opinion scum won't pass up such a good power, daychat is really good and I doubt picking Science will mess with that.

Also this Drixx v Vecna thing is messy and based on mechanics and clashing egos and it sucks.

It is messy... you're right. I'll be nice.

[Drixx]

Hey guys, before this phase ends...

Let's all make a pledge to not proclaim that everyone is terrible, and YOU ALONE CAN FIX EVERYTHING IF ONLY YOU WERE LISTENED TO.

Ok?

Look forward to winning with you

Thank you. Everyone is not necessarily terrible and town isn't doomed to being bad. There are loads of super !terrible people in this game's player list. I mean ... none are quite as awesome as ABR, but we all try.

[Drixx]

The only reason to pass on day chat would be because they hope something better will come along later. Day chat is like one of the main advantages scum have on this site (and the site statistics back it up). The idea that they would pass on it (remember: they can only build it today ... if they pass on it, then presumably it's gone forever {excepting if multiple wonders repeat the same effect, which would be lazy and I know Nahdia isn't}) just because Science lets them plan what buildings to try for at night ... is just plain absurd. Planning which buildings to take is like priority level negative (insert really large integer) compared to what scum can use day chat to coordinate. The whole argument is so over the top ridiculous that I'm seriously wondering if Vecna is just trolling me at this point.

I agree daychat is very powerful, which was my main concern for not wanting science in the first place.

I think what Vecna is saying is that if science is chosen, then they can pass on choosing day chat to try to block off as many of the other D1 wonders that only town can grab, thereby limiting town's power a bit more. They can coordinate at night, knowing they get to choose that night from D1 wonders also with knowledge of what D2 wonders are. So it's not about waiting for powers as much as limiting town's powers on D1.

I'm not sure if that's enough of an argument to make me want to choose none, because I also buy your science argument. I think titus and spiffeh are town. I thought you were town on your first post, but then the back and forth with you and Vecna I have no idea. I've also never seen scum!drixx play. I'm town and if you, titus, spiffeh, ABR are town, we're going to win this. It'll be like mafiaception, but with titus on our side.

Check what Nahdia said. Wonders are only available on their day. Scum can't pass up daychat today and take it tomorrow after discussing tonight. Regardless of science or !science, they are locked into taking day chat today or not at all.

Also I can point you to my scum games but they're all pretty old at this point. A bunch of them are in the newbie queue since I spend time ICing there and working on my game when there's little to no role interaction and it's just reading people (worst part of my game, by far). The best place to get an idea of scum!me is probably SMITE. But it's like ... WAY out of date.

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I deleted the rest of my post. Intervening posts made it unnecessary.


P.S. - Please seriously go look at Suikoden and Inception before you guys vote none. We have a huge group of the players who led those two smashing town victories in this game. Like ... if there was ever a game to bet that town will function properly and recognize each other and maximize one another's strengths ... THIS is the player list that you want to bet on. PLEASE don't cut off an avenue of great potential utility out of fear. The "but scum can..." stuff is all true, but it's also just fear mongering. The advantage is equal in terms of info, but disproportionately in town's favor due to numbers and the 1-wonder limit.

[Drixx]

Can there be a way to ensure each member picks a different wonder without scum knowing?

No, but we could do something close.

Like frog chooses from {X, Y}, drixx chooses from {Y, Z}, titus chooses from {Z, X}

And if we had enough coverage of this it would at least not let scum know who chose what exactly, and probably lets us get close to choosing them all, if not actually choosing them all with mid-teens town players.

This is a start. It needs more work but I want to see ABR and Titus some more before I say more of what I'm thinking. I'd also like to see Spiffeh engage with my points so I can sort him. I'm like ... the WORST ever at reading Spiffeh.

You decision whether to pick or wait should mainly be determined by how much something fits your personal style, and how likely you think it is that youre getting nightkilled soon (if it can still be made usefull at least).

This. So much this. If you are going to tryhard obvtown, don't take something absurdly useful.

[Drixx]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

Titus play backfires when she doesn't obvtown and people don't trust her. If you haven't read Suikoden, you have no idea what she's capable of. I'm not sure I would have ever even thought to do what she did, let alone pulled it off. That's not petting her ego ... it's just the freaking truth. The only reason she doesn't have the best town banner is because somehow in the same year Inception Mafia happened, and the Inception Mafia team somehow worked together even BETTER (even if just barely). It was easily one of the best 2 or 3 town performances since I've joined the site.

If you doubt me, go look.

[Drixx]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

And the Pick Your Power game? Hmm.

This game shouldn't be focused on measuring our past achievements or perceived lack their of. My town play has improved from where it was. The point is to figure out who is town and get the best out of them. So, if you think I'm town, you should help me avoid my pitfalls. If you think I'm scum, the goal should be the opposite.

Post of the game so far. This is either obvtown!Titus or scum.mastermind!Titus. No in betweens.

[Drixx]

@Mod: I would like to commence building the Pyramids please. Thanks.

Absolutely zero reason to hide that I'm doing so. It's now on me to obvtown the shit out of myself, plus I accept that I have to be lynched before any potential endgame. Won't bother me because I get to still play the game.

[Drixx]

Scum killing the person in the middle confirms the sides though.

There is no middle. It's a loop. And if we have 6 town players it's

2x {X, Y}
2x {X, Z}
2x {Y, Z}

Type stuff. One scum kill doesn't confirm anything

Hmmm I tried to break it, but killing one indeed doesnt guarantee anything. Interesting.

Scum in those groupings might mean we miss out on good abilities though.

Lets keep exploring this idea

Umm... can we actually table that for a bit? There are some players in this game who are really freaking good at both town and scum and sorting them would be wise before planning. Like ... it's REALLY good that people started to realize there's ways to use the knowledge without scum getting a road map, but let's not take it too far just yet. There's wisdom in knowing when to speak up and when not to.

P-edit: Yep ... either we're getting a legendary Titus game (or early Titus NK) or this is mastermind!Titus

[Drixx]

I don't think Drixx would be cheerleading Titus so hard as scum

That's because I'm not. And unless someone snatches the Pyramids from me, I need to KEEP being OTAF so I can be useful as a town voice who can't be stopped. Although as far as that goes, it's amusing because assuming I get pyramids successfully, then it takes only one further step to make me an IC who can't be silenced. I'm pretty sure it's obvious but just in case going to keep my mouth shut about how that would be accomplished.

[Drixx]

Creature if you don't want this game to end up like The Thing, vote for None.

Do you only have an appeal to fear to work with?

[Drixx]

Drixx begins building the Great Wall of Catching Up!

I want math to explain how that is a scumslip.
-Nebby

Why would Town have a "need" of having things only go to a certain point?

Why would Town "drop it" there?

Why would if Town coaching be phrased like that?

I do not see two or one townies do this.

This is scum trying to control the situation because the "need" has been met.
~~Math

No.

This is me trying to stop a pissing war between drixx and Vecna.

I've seen drixx nearly get kicked out of games for pissing wars and I'm fucking sick of pissing war games. Sick of it. It's why I siteflaked the first time a year ago.

Holy shit. You siteflaked because of me? And I was nearly kicked from games? Wouldn't I have gotten a mod warning before being kicked? The only negative from a mod was one of my favorite mods on the site blacklisting me when they abandoned a game and the reason they blacklisted me was because they read a post I made as being meant as a sarcastic personal attack when it was, in fact, a legitimate concerned post.

That said ... I will openly admit to this... if you pick a fight with me, I will come back at you and if you keep it going, I'll escalate. If you want to see how ugly that can get, just go see Titus and me in Space Dandy 2.

THAT SAID

: I'm trying not to drama up threads. I don't like being personally attacked or walked all over by someone being overly sarcastic, and so I tend to fight back in kind as a natural reaction, but there's absolutely no upside to having a pissing match. Even an old dog like me CAN learn new tricks... just takes awhile sometimes. Totes feel like shit now that you said I caused you to siteflake tho. For real. Gut punched IRL.

Just reached page 23.. I missed the resolution voting..

I would have gone Arts > None > Science

Arts is an additional build (and excluding the LyLo considerations that Spiffeh brought up) - its an extra power. With the exception of roles like 'Governor that ends the day with no lynch', more power would have helped the town.

Drixx brings up the " closes the information gap" argument for Science. The additional info that Science brings to the table widens the informational gap since scum can plan better. The way I see it - Scum's game boils to effective bidding and passing from each of their members. And knowing what is coming up helps them 'pass' better. Town, with the exception of neighbourhood roles, has to plan in the open - giving even more information to scum.

Terrible post. Scum have a scum only wonder today. I wonder if that might happen again. I wonder if making them choose between that or trying to deprive the town of useful roles might be something we'll see in this wonderful game.

Also just *facepalm* at the assertion that town can't plan circles around scum. If we're defaulting to assuming stupid!town, what's the point?

Okay, then vote me then. As I said I get mislynched all the time day 1 cause ppl are shit at reading me lol

~G

Okay you convinced me. VOTE: Sondam

Contradictions like that = scum 99% of the time. Especially when you're trying to explain your scumread on someone. Who cares about my maxous read. The original post had nothing to do with Maxous, it was about why Nebby was not voting me when they just called me scum

~Gerry

The person who wants to know your Maxous read and reasoning cares. So do I. I don't believe I've played with you, so getting a feel for how you think will help. Why would you evade such a simple request?

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that The DEO clearly contradicted themselves when trying to explain a scumread. lol

~G

Probably because they don't see it the same way as you? If they did, don't you think they would pursue it?

Lynch Vote 1.06

Maxous (4):

Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Creature, Spiffeh

Lil Uzi Vert (2):

beeboy, Yuri

Yuri (1):

Fro99er

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Leonshade (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

beeboy (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Creature (1):

Nero Cain

Spiffeh (1):

Maxous

Sondam (1):

The DEO

Not Voting (8):

Leonshade, Elbirn, Drixx, Julius Caesar, ooba, PeregrineV, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

All those vanity wagons while people waited for wagons they could hop on. Someone who does VCA ... make sure to look back at this.

I am back. Titus what's the dif between shade and an accusation to you? Of course I'm putting some of those people in a bad light I scumread them why wouldn't I
~Maria

An accusation has teeth, a push to get someone lynched. Shade just makes them look worse without any accountability or fixed position. For instance, your Drixx is scum comment that never was followed up on, and your push on players whenever popular.

I still don't know what your stance on Maxous is.

p-edit 905. We're done talking until you answer it.

Drixx comment on "Listen to Titus cause Titus is a god" was really really bad. Same with Yuri Yuri made one really bad comment and that's it If I see something I find bad I'll comment on it and so will Gerry that's just how we play.
My stance on Max is scummy Gerry doesn't have one ~Maria

I didn't say Titus is god. I pointed out that Titus has demonstrated, more than once, an ability to recognize town, help town recognize one another, and synergize roles. That's just objective fact. I even told you where to go look.

Also you

clearly

haven't played in a game with Titus and I together before. They've written legends about the legends about the legendary spats we've had. Respect is respect. Neither of us gives the other a free pass, and you trying to push that angle was transparently bad.

I have a theory that Sondam and Yuri are scum together.

Care to elaborate?

That's the part I become unmechanically Innocent Child.

For someone who says they think I'm scum, you're displaying a good deal of cognitive dissonance.

@all-
If this beeboy wagon gets out hand while I'm gone, keep the wagon to no more than L-2.

Day not ending with this unaddressed.
Not Voting (5): Drixx, Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

I almost never vote early. Which you know. You also always scumread me when you are town. Ergo you are probably town!PV. But seriously ... complaining that I don't have a vote out is like complaining that the sky is blue.

PV is town

That's what Mama, Jesus, and the mod tell me.

Awww... he loves his mom. I'm a little weirded out though. PV is behaving like town!PV, but posting way more.

Anyone play with PV recently and can confirm he's increased his engagement as town?

Btw, why is Drixx town?

I don't think his initial post and how he wanted to be the tree stump is an approach someone would take as scum.
That basically screams "investigate me"

Oh look. Someone figured it out. Treestump + investigative clear = IC who cannot be silenced. We have a winRAR!

I'm TRing Vecna, Elbrin, Frog, Spif, Nero, DEO, Notice, Creature, PV, Uzi, and Drixx

-Nebby

Drixx, really? Just because of that powerrant?

Your attempt to put words in A&N's mouth is noted.

Drix has sort of fell of the face of the Earth to be honest.

Drixx went to sleep at like 3am and then worked and then had to read like 30 pages. Nothing like 1500 post in like a day.

Drixx has clearly implied he wants to be cop investigated and treestumped.
He's town and don't even think of mislynching him. TIA

We have another winrar!

@mod - can the owner of Stonehenge target the already dead and treestumped former owner of The Pyramids and reveal their alignment after the treestump has already died?

Good question. Not so great answer from the mod but irrelevant.

Like ... my plan is to get the stump, OTAF all over the place, hopefully get investigated and made into an IC who cannot be silenced, and failing a hard investigative clear I'm fine with being killed off if I don't do my part. You know me and you know I plan things out so you know I got this.

Drixx has completed the Great Wall of Catching Up!

[Drixx]

@Titus - Get on the same page with Math. Vecna literally tried to reach out and adjust what people believe about another player's reasoning. That's like ... really anti-town. If I wasn't happy with where I decided to vote, I would vote him.

If you are absolutely certain Vecna is town, please explain why.

[Drixx]

Okay Drixx, you get Pyramids and you'll get Stonehenge'd.

I'm hoping to get IC more quickly than whenever scum randomly kill whomever builds stonehenge. Like ... I can OTAF pretty well, but ideally we get an actual hard investigate and I become an IC who can't be silenced. Glad you realize what I'm doing, and you should realize why I am taking it from our games played together. Both reasons.

If you're scum, you could also nightkill yourself and try to manipulate us.

That's amusing as hell. I'm absurdly confident of my ability to be obviously town when I want to, and I'm pretty ruthless and confident as scum, but I don't think even I have balls that big.

@Titus - Get on the same page with Math. Vecna literally tried to reach out and adjust what people believe about another player's reasoning. That's like ... really anti-town. If I wasn't happy with where I decided to vote, I would vote him.

If you are absolutely certain Vecna is town, please explain why.

Where did I do that? This is getting to be a common theme among people, and here I was thinking I was taking it extremely easy on the personal attacks and shading this game.

Anyways I got a feeling we'll get along swimmingly in just a matter of days. Either that or our ego's will collapse into something resembling a black hole where no happyness can escape.

The last option seems like a bad idea with this playerlist though

It's in my catch up wall. Nice to know that you just didn't bother to even read the part quoting and responding to you. You ask why someone town reads me, then answer your own question with a statement that you put a question mark on. It's called "controlling the narrative". Churchill was incredible at it when debating political enemies.

[Drixx]

I'm 40 pages behind and it looks like I may not get to catch up. I just wanted to apologize. Now that it's over, I can point out that I was in hydra as last scum in a Varsoon large theme trying to pull out the win against all odds, and it was eating up a lot of time. I sincerely apologize, as when I signed up for this, I expected that game to end much more quickly than it did. Won't be inactive going forward (although holy crap nearly 3k posts on day one).

[Drixx]

@Drixx, I will need you here. Jsyk.

@Spiffeh, I guess and check theories as how I think. My apologies if you are town, but I will filter through possibilities regardless of the flip. I rarely do that, but I respect you as much as a player to do that.

Can you comment on the list I posted?

Gist me on what I need to look at because 40 pages is going to take a couple hours at least. I can catch up on it and take notes in the night if it comes to that. I'm present and will refresh here every few minutes. (a small voice asks you to check steam).

[Drixx]

May I suggest that we push lurkers to be active instead of just lynching them out. So much room for scum to hide on lurker lynches. Anyone who refuses to be active and also refuses to replace out is going to be suspect to me. Just saying I would rather push them to be active and get stuff to read them by rather than lynch through them. So tired of handing scum teams free mislynches because of inactives.

[Drixx]

Sleep debt caught up. I'm around 70 pages behind. Doubt the day will last long enough for me to read that, so can someone(s) give me a brief reasoning for why beeboy and ABR are being wagoned so I can be more useful than nipples on the batsuit?

P-edit: YOLO: VOTE: Beeboy]

[Drixx]

VOTE: Beeboy

Drixx, please catch up and help me tomorrow. We need to get rid of ABR or force him to actually be decent. You'll see.

~Titus

I'll be catching up and taking notes. A day one with 4300 posts should be rich in infos.

[Drixx]

The likelihood that a wonder from a previous age wasn't built is low, so Natural isn't likely to be that useful anyway. Slight scum advantage since they have a bit more info as to what was built.

I went and looked and I see no indication that scum have more info as to what was built. Care to point me to what I overlooked?

VOTE: Natural

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I did NOT succesfully build the Pyramids. Someone else snatched it. I'll just wait for an explanation.

[Drixx]

@mod: replace out. I will totally trash your game otherwise. Some people apparently believe I'm obligated to stay chained to my desk and read their worthless drivel at a clip of nearly 1,000 posts a day, even when I'm playing a LYLO at the end of a 13k post game and they

can go look

and see that I was sacrificing sleep as it was.

Sorry to the folks on the playlist that I was looking forward to playing with. Catch ya'll in another time and place.

Congrats to the assclowns for getting me to replace out for 2nd time ever.

[Drixx]

Just poking in to apologize for replacing out. I was totally drained and exhausted from the end of SU2 and didn't want to screw my team or the game in any way. As it turns out, it was a good decision because turns out I was (am still, but getting better) severely anemic and it would have been an incredible strain during a time where I barely held myself together.

It was fun to check in and watch my team wreck it tho ;p


Nahdia ... you knocked it out of the park.