Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Yuri]

No reads 'cept Akane and Nebby are kinda town. Most of this is arguing over mechanics and is NAI. No one's gonna be pushing a scum agenda in this phase on purpose, though I think it's the right call to look at who is trying to fly under the radar.

Probably gonna vote None, I don't see the others getting traction. But I'd really rather Science!

[Yuri]

K that's a lie I do have reads. Like Leon, dude, did it really not occur to you why outing every single PR would be a bad idea? Cause normally town just thinks about that by default, and scum have nothin to fear.

[Yuri]

Then vote Science...
-Nebby

Maybe I will!
VOTE: Science

[Yuri]

You read about how build priority works and that scum could get PRs, but didn't read how the wonders worked? What info were you missing?

And A&K what's the prob with 245. That's classic Spiff, and besides don't see scum being real obvs about denying town more time to discuss this when he's settled on what the "right" choice is. This isn't a lynch vote. (Which, by the way, I also sorta want to get to because voting people is the fun part)

Pedit: the quote miles

[Yuri]

First sentence above is to Leon

[Yuri]

The sign-up thread. It doesn't say that wonders are just regular PRs.

How does them being regular PRs over... actually, what was the alternative here? What did you think they were?

[Yuri]

Drix read my mind on Tree Stump honestly. I mean it's still a gamble but way less of a gamble than the other Wonders.

Uzi could you explain your point in calling those roles a gamble again? Like what action do you want to be taken

[Yuri]

Drixx how is certainty of scum team size anything close to a slip? It's pretty normal to imagine a certain size based on the number of players. It's a point that's easy to throw shade on, same as you announcing the Tree Stump.

Pedit yeah i read 228, this noise bothers me lmao it doesn't make a lot of sense as spec and it's useless by your own admission

[Yuri]

Vecna my dude it's not the perfect cover if Drixx is scum. The evidence is you
Besides, Reasonably Rational isn't usually nightkilled anyway. Is it different for Drixx on his own or something? Or maybe you haven't played with either idk

[Yuri]

Daychat is awesome tf

Pedit Fro99er that's kind of a lame unvote

[Yuri]

Also paranoid Vecna is town.

Pedit: :C

[Yuri]

Idk I'm of the opinion scum won't pass up such a good power, daychat is really good and I doubt picking Science will mess with that.

Also this Drixx v Vecna thing is messy and based on mechanics and clashing egos and it sucks.

[Yuri]

I was thinking Wonders in Civ, which mostly give passive benefits. I still expected PRs of some sort, but I wasn't really thinking about night kills, just about everyone agreeing on who gets the Wonders.

The idea was stupid but I didn't put much thought into it, my original idea was coming in here and declaring that I'm going to be practicing isolationist politics, at least my dumb idea was game-related.

Mmk. I guess I believe you

[Yuri]

Hey guys, before this phase ends...

Let's all make a pledge to not proclaim that everyone is terrible, and YOU ALONE CAN FIX EVERYTHING IF ONLY YOU WERE LISTENED TO.

Ok?

Look forward to winning with you

#bestpost

[Yuri]

Yuri, why do you seem overly invested in defending Vecna?

Also this Drixx v Vecna thing is messy and based on mechanics and clashing egos and it sucks.

[Yuri]

Wait tf did they just agree to chill for now? Hot damn

Also DEO, now that I look at it, Fro99er is also defending Vecna, even explaining how he perceives vecna's points to Drixx. I don't have a problem w Fro99er doin this, but I'm wondering why you don't.

[Yuri]

I wanna know why are you against wonder planning in public, Vecna. It lowers the possibility of two players picking the same wonder imo

- Akane

Cause it's a roadmap for scum to plan kills/blocks if they have em

[Yuri]

Is no one gonna point out that the {X, Y} thing is a terrible plan that still gives scum a 50% chance of hitting the PR they want to kill, and a chance to try again for 100% the next night?

Stop announcing PRs. And you also can't select two and say 'no one else take them'. That guarantees one won't get picked. And tells the scum you're either a doctor or a neighbourizer. They'll nightkill EITHER.
Just pick with your playstyle and if you miss out, try again the next day with higher priority for you.

[Yuri]

Drixx probtown, Leon was leanscum, now null again.
This is a bad phase for reads. I want lynch-votes.

[Yuri]

Fro99er why don't we just like... pick the roles we like...
There are 21 players and 5 roles available, I doubt anything important will fall through the cracks. If we turn this into a numbers game it makes poe for claims SO easy a few days down the line.

Pedit I agree with the above.

[Yuri]

Hahahahaha, damn ur right beeboy what the hell was i thinking

Pedit: Ill never understand how u have reads on half a hydra

[Yuri]

BS, that's clearly an attempt to sort DEO, not a deflection.

Except it's not BS if that's how I read it.

If it's an attempt to read titus, then fine.

I said something similar earlier, did it ping you?

[Yuri]

Yes, it did. When titus asked why you're defending Vecna.

I forgot about it. Thanks for bringing it up.

Post is slimy like a frog

[Yuri]

Why are you townreading me for my common-sense mechanics post?

[Yuri]

except this is my obvtown game, so yeah.

Dude

[Yuri]

Frog: How or where do you get the notion of responding with "this is my obvtown game". Is it like... am I supposed to know your meta so you're self-metaing at me?

[Yuri]

But what if we don't get the role that fits our playstyle? Should both of us twiddle our thumbs because we didn't get the role that fits it? Or maybe you want scum to luck out on priority system and the entirety of town to become vanilla?

I'd say play the game like you'd play every other game where you don't roll neighbourizer.
And lol if Nahdia gave scum the highest priority to start, that'd be hilarious

[Yuri]

Then just be the treestump. Then, you can plan all you want and nobody can stop you.

This has like... nothing to do w what DEO was talking about wrt town networking.

[Yuri]

Frog: How or where do you get the notion of responding with "this is my obvtown game". Is it like... am I supposed to know your meta so you're self-metaing at me?

SPIFFEH

What does this MEAN

[Yuri]

Bruh we're playing a game

now

that I'd like to win, so how about either answering my questions or acknowledging that you are a slimy slimy frog

[Yuri]

Frog: Why bring up self-meta at all then? To someone you don't know?

Pedit: falcon man idk how to translate DEO's talking about neighbourhoods to you talking about treestumps, you might be from a different planet entirely

[Yuri]

Frog: Why bring up self-meta at all then? To someone you don't know?

You'll find out post game

I both literally and figuratively hate you despite hate being an emotion and as such cannot be qualified with either

[Yuri]

I am starting to lean towards voting None. Town probably won't keep quiet about saying they want a role that isn't even available yet.

[none vote removed in post]
I just pictured roles getting passed up bc EVERYONE wants like, the vig or something

Pedit Oh right do i wanna hammer none yet is the question

[Yuri]

Frog: Why bring up self-meta at all then? To someone you don't know?

Pedit: falcon man idk how to translate DEO's talking about neighbourhoods to you talking about treestumps, you might be from a different planet entirely

She wants the neighborhood to talk and plan and strategize with a townread.

As treestump, she can do that in thread, while scumhunting, using ALL of her townreads, and never worry about death.

She just has to worry about being wrong...

Don't think she's worried about death. Think she's worried about

publicly

discussing plans. for obvs reasons

Ill hammer None idk

[Yuri]

I will have a neighborhood one way or another, because I am terrible without it and my reads are out of whack, hence I need neighborhood to catch scum. You know this too. You want me to give you scum? Then let me have someone to tell me what to do who isn't scum themselves and you shall have it.

- Akane

Isn't that the point of being in a hydra? You have private discussion with confirmed town for the entire game.

[Yuri]

Is no one gonna point out that the {X, Y} thing is a terrible plan that still gives scum a 50% chance of hitting the PR they want to kill, and a chance to try again for 100% the next night?

Stop announcing PRs. And you also can't select two and say 'no one else take them'. That guarantees one won't get picked. And tells the scum you're either a doctor or a neighbourizer. They'll nightkill EITHER.
Just pick with your playstyle and if you miss out, try again the next day with higher priority for you.

I'm gonna townread you just for this

How come? the same thing has been said before, and hes actually wrong in his understanding of what was being said

Yeah I was wrong about how frog's x,y thing was gonna shake out but the rest of that post is spot on and stuff
Also yes I want to know why Maxous TRd that

[Yuri]

How do you know A&N is town Yuri?

I don't. Akane's point doesn't make sense if I entertain a scum pov in the response, so I answered with town pov.

[Yuri]

Peregrine picking randomly is bad and you should feel bad and literally no one is going to listen are u bein serious

[Yuri]

This is a very large game with a lot of varied and directly opposed personalities. It's fine. The roles will get picked. Stopping scum from having a chance at the specific roles they want isn't gonna help us if a bunch of town players get supoptimal roles they ALSO didn't want.

[Yuri]

All the roles are town except the last.
Which one is "bad"?

Imagine lurking/oft-mislynched town with a role that activates only when they're nightkilled

[Yuri]

Peregrine: You do realize ur plan doesn't force scum to do anything
You put them in a pool with several other players. Priority values are INVISIBLE. Scum can just not freakin submit if they don't want the role, and submit when they do

All this shit, these plans, these lists, I hate when cool setups devolve into this discussion

[Yuri]

Like, that isn't to say I mind people coming up with plans, but it seems like every time its always left down to randomness deciding things because its optimal or something.

[Yuri]

I mean, why even play a game with private role drafting every day if you think we should all have random roles? Every game gives random roles. There's a way to use this and it's about knowing your playstyle and which roles you'd do better in

[Yuri]

Peregrine: You do realize ur plan doesn't force scum to do anything
You put them in a pool with several other players. Priority values are INVISIBLE. Scum can just not freakin submit if they don't want the role, and

submit when they do

All this shit, these plans, these lists, I hate when cool setups devolve into this discussion

Yep, then we can lynch Vanilla Mafia because town will have all of the power roles, and cannot affect our night actions.

[Yuri]

why would scum not submit five whole times

[Yuri]

sorry, four whole times

[Yuri]

tbh DEO hasn't explained that contradiction at all since gerry brought it up.
Also that's twice now (i think) that Titus has backed down from an argument saying 'i tried to reach out but you don't want to have a discussion with me' in like, a really short amount of time. Usually she'd argue for longer. I've been witness to shit like that. But fuck if she's town I don't want to day 1 1v1 her because i want to enjoy this game

But besides that, Titus's rampant paranoia and making most players actions about her (see: saying a player is attacking her townreads, trying to discredit her, tear apart her townbloc, etc. etc.) is so town!Titus.

Fro99er's whole thing w his scum tell looks genuine enough. and, to clear up a point, my problem wasn't with the self-meta (everybody does it it's not scummy inherently) but with bringing up self-meta to a player you have never played with, in response to me calling a post scummy. Doesn't make sense

Uzi, bro, why am scum for you again

Pedit: Oh DEO there u are, can you explain to me what happened with that contradiction re: the Maxous wagon and Sondam

[Yuri]

Please don't call me Yuki. And yes

[Yuri]

Please don't call me Yuki. And yes

Well, I'm afraid you have me at a personal meta disadvantage. I'm aware my laser focus can sometimes be detrimental. I'm working on that, but as you can tell, I'm no saint nor do I ever pretend to be. I still happen to think you're scum though. Math agrees.

Sorry for the misname Yuri.

Np, np. Thought you were doing it on purpose, is all.

So, with Sondam it really looks like a miscommunication easier from here. If you say something in a 'snarky' way that looks like an accusation, that's not opening up a dialogue to get Sondam to answer about their read. And by the time you started pressuring them for a read, you'd made that contradiction that looked really bad (tbh it still looks bad but I can buy you just saying something that came out strange, since the rest from you guys looks town), so ofc they'd be more concerned with that. If the timing on those is wrong somewhere, lemme know.

As for your scumread, I'm not scum, so what are we gonna do to fix that? And, what's your read on Maxous? You've said you're not scumreading the wagon, though Math is, but what's your read on Maxous themself?
Also Fro99er and Uzi.

[Yuri]

VOTE: Uzi
Not a lot of effort being made to push Leon or me. I'd say bc he doesn't have a lot of material for either besides Leon's opening and my whatever-the-fuck

[Yuri]

to clear up a point, my problem wasn't with the self-meta (everybody does it it's not scummy inherently) but with bringing up self-meta to a player you have never played with, in response to me calling a post scummy. Doesn't make sense

but I specifically use it at people who aren't familiar with it because I want to see who jumps on it. It's always something so easy to jump on for scum who aren't aware I do that.

It's also completely baffling to call a post of yours scummy and be told you're being your obvtown self when I don't know you. The response doesn't make any sense and just looks like 'i'm town, how could you not see it'. Like do you not get that part??

[Yuri]

We're conflicted on Maxous. Math has Maxous as diehard town, but I cannot see why. We're at a crossroads and our plays are actually overlapping each other. Math seems to be starting from a fixed assertion (which I am not sure if it's wrong) and applying everything to fit that theory, which doesn't work for me. There's also meta this, meta that, which is irking me. I tried to sync up but it just wasn't working tonight. They've basically thrown in with mislynch whoever you want day 1... which isn't helping.

As for "fixing" our read on you, I'm not sure that needs to happen, but let's suppose we are both wrong for a moment. You need more posts like this, engaging. Your earlier posts just left me with an eww feeling that's hard to describe, plus the awkward defense of Vecna.

This reminds me of an interesting theory about how it's better for town in the long run to accidentally mislynch in day 1, but this game is NOT the place for that conversation lmao

Can't do much about an 'ew' feeling, but the Vecna thing was, as I've already explained, an attempt to get drixx v vecna to stop bc it wasn't productive. I also had a townread on both, Vecna bc of its freak-out about the Science vote. Did you find that part scummy, or null instead?

If you found my last post engaging, what do you actually think about what I said concerning Sondam? Was my progression wrong, do you disagree?

[Yuri]

Baffling you is exactly why I do it. To see how people who aren't familiar with me doing that react.

OKAY sure whatever but like
are you expecting that town WONT dislike/call you out on the fact that you call yourself obvtown in response to them saying you did something scummy. Like wtf is the town response there

This amount of frustration means the frog is town, probably. I dont get pissed at scum

[Yuri]

The bolded really looks like Yuri wants to placate Titus immediately after saying the contradiction was bad. Like as to not ruffle feathers.

Literally the entire post is me trying to placate Titus bc that hydra is probtown and them pushing me is a distraction

[Yuri]

Nebby why are you so hung up on that? gerry obviously called it a contradiction, and it could be called a 'scumslip' with the same definition. and he explained and underlined it back and forth. what are you looking for?

[Yuri]

Ok if you go by that definition, you already know the answer. So why are you asking?
And I don't have a problem so much as it looked weird to me and I wanna know why you care

[Yuri]

imo early TvTs (as opposed to later ones) are nearly always some tiny miscommication or issue that spirals into this big dumb fight that doesnt help anything. Happens in like, 75% of my games and I'm surprised they actually listened when I asked them to stop?? But i'd expect that from drixx at least.

Wasn't even thinking of you when I brought up Vecna's freak-out. I wanted to know how you were reading it, because I read that outburst (the all caps big letter post) as town. Don't care about players personal preferences re: resolution vote all that much.

[Yuri]

Why do you care to placate them?

If you're town play your town game and scumhunt. You shouldn't try to appease them because they are pushing you.

Titus doesn't know who am I but I know her. Ignoring her ain't gonna work and poking holes in her reasoning will also not work. I'm trying an approach based on what I know of her. She plays based on all of her reads at once, so if she's scumreading me my words will have less meaning to her. See her response to what I said about sondam, she's basically waiting for her townreads to weigh in and that's what she'll take into account.

What do you think of Uzi?

Nebby: the question still feels empty to me.

[Yuri]

imo early TvTs (as opposed to later ones) are nearly always some tiny miscommication or issue that spirals into this big dumb fight that doesnt help anything. Happens in like, 75% of my games and I'm surprised they actually listened when I asked them to stop?? But i'd expect that from drixx at least.

Wasn't even thinking of you when I brought up Vecna's freak-out. I wanted to know how you were reading it, because I read that outburst (the all caps big letter post) as town. Don't care about players personal preferences re: resolution vote all that much.

Before I log off for the night, what are your reads on every slot in the game that you have one for?

Uhhh fuck aight let's see.
A&N: leantown with issues
Fro99er: town
DEO: town
Creature: maybescum
Drixx: probtown
Uzi: scum
Vecna: probtown
Maxous: wouldn't cry at a lynch there i guess
Sondam: town but maria is p good at looking genuine as scum so not confident. don't like Titus's case though

[Yuri]

Nebby: the question still feels empty to me.

So does your push on Uzi because from what I remember, Uzi isn't the type to push his scumreads super hard.

Don't get into my head. You don't think I like I do.
Just because a question feels empty to you doesn't mean that I don't have a reason to ask it.
Plus I'm just asking for clearification on it.

-Nebby

It gives me a bad feeling, that you ask a question where the answer is obvious. If you see something that looks like they're scum, why try to be sure instead of just pressing it? If you're wrong, that will become apparent after the push.
I've seen town Uzi and I don't really agree with you, but that's besides the point bc this isn't about meta, it's about how his interaction with me has amounted to 'how do you know Akane and Nebbie are town' and then calling me scum, and how he's pushing Leon but I can't find a reason for it

What do you think of Uzi?

Uzi's in my ISO. I've made my read on him pretty clear.

So you have, my b

A&N: leantown with issues

And these issues are?

-Nebby

I'm literally in a convo with you rn about an issue, why are all your questions like this

[Yuri]

A&N no longer at leantown if that wasn't clear lmao.
I'm going to bed, peace

[Yuri]

Just a quick question: what's your read on maxous?

[Yuri]

Hey Creature why are people TRing you for being candid about not caring to read literally anything

It's majority lynch and it's in the rules

[Yuri]

UNVOTE:

why the change

Can you hop on your main account Yuri?

No.

[Yuri]

Don't be a dick Uzi.

[Yuri]

What was the contradiction again?

ISO Sondam and look for gerry's posts.

Titus said the question about 'putting town votes on the wagon' was snark and idk, you go look at it yourself.

[Yuri]

You know who Yuri is?

He doesn't. idk why he's asking for my main but choosing to taunt me instead of anything else is why i'm not moving my vote to Akane like I planned to.

[Yuri]

I don't believe you. Not unless you can tell me who told you. I know for a fact you don't have the correct meta on me, so your meta is garbage. Stop whatever this is.

[Yuri]

Just a quick question: what's your read on maxous?

He has the same posting style as a game i was in him that just finished. idk why people scumread him more. can you show me why?

The only problem I have with Maxous is tone stuff and that sort-of-joke townread on me for my mechanics post. Better to ask someone on his wagon.

[Yuri]

Re: the contradiction, here's what Titus said in response. Feel like that should be there too since it gives a more complete picture

It's not. You see the question mark. It's a snark way of asking what is going on. What is their goal regarding the maxous wagon, which they don't answer.

[Yuri]

Who unvoted/changed votes after Frog stopped pushing you?

Pedit: You didn't explain why you unvoted earlier

[Yuri]

I don't believe you. Not unless you can tell me who told you. I know for a fact you don't have the correct meta on me, so your meta is garbage. Stop whatever this is.

No, I'm going to expose who did, would be messed up. I'm giving you a chance here to come clean because there is a possibility you might actually be town unlike Leon and Notice.

You don't have correct meta on me either which is how I knew you were an alt

It's obvious I'm an alt by the fact that I have zero completed games but got into this game. If I don't have correct meta on you, there's no way you could have meta on me.

Why would it be messed up to tell me who the hell outed me to some random asshole? I played on an alt for a fuckin reason and if that bothers you then just say so.

[Yuri]

I mean here you are, 'i'm not going to expose who did' but you're sitting here pressuring me to out my main like a dick. I don't care about your read on me. And I choose to believe that scum wouldn't use a tactic like this which happens to be really fucking uncomfortable for me, so I'm just going to ignore you.
VOTE: Akane and Nebby

Pedit: Ok here you go Maxous

[Yuri]

Hey Fro99er? You can shut up too. Since half your quotes are me talking to Uzi. Seriously. Not now.

[Yuri]

right, that. Is why I asked that question to gerry in the first place, I wanted to clear it up before I said that gerry (and by extension the hydra) is really town for that whole thing, and the Sondam votes need to stop.

[Yuri]

Because I don't care? Why don't you go interrogate the Maxous wagon?

[Yuri]

I'm already voting the scum on the Maxous wagon. But the read doesn't have a lot to do with that wagon, so it's not relevant to me. gerry was interested, I just happened to be the one he asked because I was the first to give an answer. I've already examined your reasons for being on that wagon. I don't care to do anything else about it.

[Yuri]

Titus you've gotta get that name right lmao. It's Sondam

[Yuri]

And Sondam is literally scumhunting they're pushing that contradiction and Maria is saying who she scumreads. Which is apparently 'shade'

[Yuri]

Also why do you scumread Elbrin and Drixx?
-Nebby

pedit: I just wanna hear what they have to say! Gawd.

Mkay thanks for talkin to me
-Nebby

Bad tone. And wanted to talk about the scumread on them, but there's no followup. Just 'thanks for talking to me'.

I'm excited!

and naaaaah, I don't care about the omgus. It's cute that you decided to target my weakest point tho.
What I do care about is you originally calling The DEO's a contradiction then calling it a slip. Because THAT is a contradiction. (Refering to 891 and 899)

-Nebby

More bad tone, trying to brush off the scumread. Not going to get into the differing definitions of slip and contradiction.

I'm literally in a convo with you rn about an issue, why are all your questions like this

Oh I thought you had OTHER concerns that actually involved you reading my ISO instead of misreping and discreditting all of my questions.

-Nebby

Is concerned with how I might be viewing their ISO. Expects me, their scumread, to apparently have a lot of good points relating to their ISO. Like they expect there to be something there, and are ignoring that we are currently in talks about an issue I have with their slot.

[Yuri]

I will have a neighborhood one way or another, because I am terrible without it and my reads are out of whack, hence I need neighborhood to catch scum. You know this too. You want me to give you scum? Then let me have someone to tell me what to do who isn't scum themselves and you shall have it.

- Akane

Isn't that the point of being in a hydra? You have private discussion with confirmed town for the entire game.

Can you tell us why the hydra is confirmed town?

They're not. I already said this. At the time, i was townreading them, but the 'confirmed town' is from AKANE'S POV. If you're town in a hydra, your hydra partner is confirmed town, it's not rocket science. If you're scum in a hydra, your hydra partner should still be 'confirmed town' for the purposes of the way you present yourself to the game.

[Yuri]

First one: responding with a joking tone (the 'gawd') is an easy way to deflect a comment about being overly defensive, which was the situation at the time.
Second one: Again the forced joke, and I explained the context in my post already.

[Yuri]

I think beeboy has a decent chance of being scum.

Is see your dislike of the 'DEO what is your read progression on me' question, what else don't you like?

[Yuri]

It's the context. There aren't jokes unless Nebby is wanting to keep pressure down. And especially the 'thanks for talking to me', it's like they want to discuss the scumread on them because they want to 'talk', but they don't talk about it at all.

[Yuri]

beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Might be having trouble getting into the game? Seems understandable considering the amount of players.

Do you know beeboy? Why are you defending him on conjecture here?

[Yuri]

Who is Yuri?

He can answer that for himself. Have too much respect for dude to expose him.

...ok, I think whoever told you who I was was yanking your chain or else mistaken themselves. Because this isn't true. I barely know you, and I doubt you have much respect for me.
Busy besides that! Will get to Frog's case when I have time later.

[Yuri]

I don't think those are invalid points though, I'm just out-of-game personally offended by the way LUV went about voting Yuri and I'm not going to have any part in it, so I'm predispositioned to dislike that wagon now

Honestly appreciate it, the whole thing really bothered me and while I probably overreacted, thanks for saying something about it.

[Yuri]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

[Yuri]

Uzi: Yeah, you said my reasoning for voting you was weak. Which could be fine. But then you have to go on 'oh, but I gave him an out and he didn't take it' when your out was me revealing my main. So of course I wouldn't take it.

[Yuri]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

I've seen town Uzi and I don't really agree with you

-Nebby

Seeing someone's towngame isn't the same as being friends, being respected by them, or 'laughing about things when the game is over'.

[Yuri]

1) When titus gets on Yuri about defending Vecna, Yuri goes "but frog did it too" (314) without even realizing I also defended drixx (256, 260, 264, 271) in the Vecna/Drixx thing. I took both sides at different time trying to sort shit out, but Yuri basically says why didn't you call out frog for defending Vecna, as a justification to why they did it. That's stuff scum does.

I didn't say it as a justification, because there was no problem with what I was doing (or what you were doing). I wanted to know where DEO saw the difference between you and I and what were doing.

2) I'm only going to use the self-meta thing as a small point, but his reaction in 442 to when I went "SPIFFEH " in 437 seemed really worried

How do you read annoyance as worry?

3) In 931 Yuri wants to placate Titus, and it appears he doesn't want to ruffle titus' feathers. It's super appeasing type stuff like scum not wanting to stand out. Yuri says in 940 that yes he is trying to placate Titus because Titus is probtown pushing them. However, later on in 1248 Yuri sorts Uzi as town and Yuri says he doesn't care about Uzi's push on him. It's a contradiction, so Yuri needs to explain why Titus push did matter but Uzi push didn't.

I don't know if you noticed how much Uzi's push bothered me. I overreacted, sure, but Uzi being totally unreasonable and aggravating/taunting about me outing my main doesn't make me want to work with him. It makes me want to ignore him. Titus also has a scumread on me, but she didn't piss me off and I like her. Plus, Titus can be a tunneler and it can cause problems sometimes. I don't know enough about Uzi to make a judgement on that.

5) Yuri says they have issues with A+N in 952 and when pressed on what the issue is by A+N in 953 it turns out that it's the same prior issue from 941 and 943. Reading those two posts, we see it's because Yuri doesn't like A+N is pressing Sondam about whether Sondam thought titus slipped or contradicted herself. That's perfectly legitimate reason to pressure Sondam, to find out if they meant contradict or slip (or both, as it turns out). Because contradict and slip can have different meanings. It's a bullshit issue to have with A+N. (to read more about it, read my 1275 which explains it better than I just did here)

I didn't like what I viewed as empty questions from Nebby.

4) My 1245 shows exactly ZERO scumhunting of Yuri's. All of a sudden Yuri drops a vote 3 posts later in 1248 on A+N, with no explanation. Finally the explanation comes in 1268 and it's a weak and shallow read that looks like it's just there to appear like scumhunting from Yuri.

Yeah, zero scumhunting in that timeframe because I woke up to Uzi's bullshit. No one can scumhunt in every series of posts. I'd already planned to vote Nebby, I got distracted. idk if you can tell how emotional I am in those posts you quoted but it looks obvious enough to me.

5) Yuri passes the buck on trying to read people on the Maxous wagon 1231 which I call out in 1264, and passes the buck again saying I should do the legwork in 1265. Why pass the buck back on to the person questioning you, which he did twice to two different people in those two posts.

I didn't say you should do the legwork. My point in saying you should go look at the wagon was that I had nothing to do with the wagon, and didn't see the value in examining it. So since asking me to do it was totally arbitrary, why don't you arbirtrarily go look at it? Only reason gerry asked me that question was because I asked about his maxous read so that would be clear. All I wanted was his Maxous read, but he wanted to know why people were pushing Maxous. So, since I was

not pushing Maxous

, I told him to ask people who were.

Are there any other issues?

[Yuri]

It's not really that you didn't take it, it is more so that you didn't make any effort to address the concerns I had about you. You were so focused on me asking you to out you couldn't tune me out and just get back to resolving things with me or scum hunting. That's an issue.

I shouldn't have to tune you out to have a discussion with

you

. If you wanted me to address your concerns, engage me in this game instead of saying shit like "i want to lynch you on your main again" which is going to be distracting as fuck.

I didn't like that your two scumreads were Leon and myself at the time, when i didn't see much in the way of you developing those. I asked where your scumread on me came from, and don't remember getting an answer.

[Yuri]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.

-Nebby

Now, this is actually want I wanted to talk about. Nebby wants to flashwagon the people he thinks scum is saving for mislynches.

[Yuri]

Nebby: ....scum save town for mislynches. You wanted to wagon the people you thought scum were saving for mislynches. You wanted to wagon people you believed were town. Don't remember Creature saying he thought they were mislynch targets.

Uzi: Right, you did answer. I actually don't know what to say. When I looked at your ISO at the time of voting you, I didn't find a lot of mention and Leon, and I saw you voting Leon but telling people to lynch me at the same time. I do think you're town now, but at the time it looked like you were just coasting scum.

[Yuri]

Yuri what are your thoughts on beeboy?

Don't know beeboy so I don't have your meta, but I remember liking some of his opinions. I'd have to go looking if you want which ones. Not much of an impression, but not a bad one.

[Yuri]

Kyouko's take on the whole thing makes me realize that I probably went too far and should come clean. I don't know you Yuri. I just acted like that because I didn't like that you reentered the thread earlier without addressing your top scum read at the time which was me.

Ok. Please don't do that again. I already know

now

that you don't actually know me, and I can't even explain why the whole thing bothered me so much. Plus, I was really close to just outing my main and telling you how wrong you were. If you wanted me to address something, address it. Don't play games with me. My top scumread at the time of re-entering the thread was also A&N, not you, but it took me a while to get to that due to being caught way off balance and scumreading you for the taunting.

Nah dude, never said they were town.
I said I want them to TALK more.
You're grasping onto straws if you think that's a slip.

-Nebby

You said you wanted to flashwagon them though. And then you said scum wanted to save them for mislynches.

[Yuri]

I don't think his initial post and how he wanted to be the tree stump is an approach someone would take as scum.
That basically screams "investigate me"

????

I wanted you to vote A&N with me because I am pretty sure I can't achieve a lynch on my own right now.


Basically my problem with A&N right now is I didn't really like the notice push they made (like the notice push was meh af). But more imporantly my problem is that the way they are way too ok killing literally everyone one right now. It doesn't feel like they are solving the game and it is more like they are aggressively trying to find flaws in people's posts to push and nothing more. I don't recall them ever rethinking any of there scum reads this game which just seems weird af to me given how many they have had.

VOTE: A&N

A&N what is with your concern with literally everyone that is scum reading you?
Also PV is probs town.

Can someone explain to me what part of Creature's catch up was town?
I iz confused

I am starting to lean towards voting None. Town probably won't keep quiet about saying they want a role that isn't even available yet.

Last isn't AI but I did agree with it. Would have voted None soon after if it hadn't hammered.

[Yuri]

I shouldn't need to explain why I like this opinions, because the answer is really gonna be "I agree with the post".

[Yuri]

And your "scumread" is just a shit attempt to fake a vanity vote and avoid everything else.

What's your problem with me attacking lurkers again?
-Nebby

Don't have a problem with you attacking lurkers, I have a problem with you wanting to attack lurkers you view as

mislynch bait

.

[Yuri]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.

-Nebby

Now, this is actually want I wanted to talk about. Nebby wants to flashwagon the people he thinks scum is saving for mislynches.

This, Spiffeh.

[Yuri]

How does town have the thought that scum is saving a group for mislynches, but also want to flashwagon those same lurkers? How can the group contain possible scum and also mislynch bait to be used by scum?

[Yuri]

....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped

[Yuri]

So I'm scum for wanting to pressure lurkers.
Or do you think I slipped that they're town.

Fucking.... NO. You didn't slip that they're town, you said you thought scum was saving them for mislynches. Meaning, you thought they were town and scum was avoiding discussion of them. But also wanted to flashwagon them. So you wanted to flashwagon lurking town to force scum to discuss them, maybe? Sure, but that isn't what you said or have been saying.

[Yuri]

So you think I'm stupid enough to use one of my own scumtells against myself?
Really?
-Nebby

If you're gonna explain to caught scum why they're scum, then the caught scum will throw your own tell back in your face, totally.

[Yuri]

Forgot to talk about this: Problem I have with Frog rn is the willingness to jump on the beeboy wagon on the basis of Spiff's meta and not much else. Goes back to me when I get heat again.

[Yuri]

And my push on the BaeReed hydra was in my head (Let's push a "slip" something to see if I can catch oppertunistic scum).
I had a townread on BaeReed by the time I went to sleep

-Nebby

And you're expecting me to know this... how?

[Yuri]

How does that fit with the thought that scum were avoiding discussion of the lurkers?

[Yuri]

Could you talk about why you were getting on Frog for self meta earlier?

I don't mind self-meta. I did explain this earlier, but my problem was Frog apparently bringing up self-meta to a player he didn't know, in response to me calling him scummy. It didn't make sense, because of course I wouldn't know his meta. So saying 'you're reading me wrong, this is obvtown-me' was a weird thing to say in response to me and didn't feel real at all.

[Yuri]

It fits because that's what good scumplay looks like?
-Nebby

I don't see the scum motivation behind flashwagoning lurkers to get them to talk and say words.
-Nebby

These two thoughts are fine independently. I just don't see how they both occurred to you in the same thought, connected to each other. You can't watch to lynch lurkers you also think scum will have set up as mislynch targets.

If your goal is to get them to talk, just say that. Like you've now made clear here, but definitely did not before.

[Yuri]

The original post did not include that at all, and when you responded saying you wanted to get them to talk, it didn't look like that. Mainly because you

said

"I said I wanted to get them to talk", when the post in question said quite plainly "I want to flashwagon them".

[Yuri]

Im explaining why it wasn't obvious to me, i already said i know your intent now

[Yuri]

Wasnt bein serious saying that I hated him, but it was pretty frustrating to be trying to sort someone and have them be completely non-receptive to any of your questions
an the slimy thing was cause it looked scummy and he's a frog so like, jokes

[Yuri]

Aight busy today but u have me for a coupla hours

Part of me hopes Yuri flips town so MathBlade gets a reality check

This works just as well with the story though, probably even better.

Im discarding a lot of my TRs that im no longer happy w the reasoning for bc i have far too many.
Bc this is really Vecna bein scared of math's read after my townflip
Like full stop

Second i doubt spiff is scum, that isnt how scum approaches a town wagon at all, none of it. unless the frog flips scum and gives me a reason to think scum theatre, spiff is town for everythin about his progression pn my wagon

also jaereed hydra is town. post about vecnas thought that jaereed and i are buddies contains paranoia abt me being scum and this making jaereed look bad. im not talking about overt paranoia but what i got from reading in between the lines
scum jae would know im flipping town and would still address the case, but not with that feeling im getting from them that they believe ill flip scum w vecna

[Yuri]

dont rly have much to say about uzi's case, like i hate all my early reads too. i DID respond to froggers case point by point but literally no one brought that up so w/e

feels like my wagon is scum Vecna and everything else is town. scum hoping for a town-lead wagon w a lot of players on it who are null-reading me or scumreading me only a little bit

frog is still probtown by this but i so dislike his constant 'notice isnt a viablw wagon' bull, though i think notice is town it also gives the impression that he wants me to be the only option for a wagon today

VOTE: Vecna

im unhappy w my SRs atm. still dislike akane and nebby and vecna, but the vecna thing is a rly bad feeling based on what i see as fear of my townflip.
really feeling as though most of the active players are town, and scum is in the quieter ones/lurkers, besides those ive mentioned. so w thaf in mind i guess i could do beeboy? im looking for something to be confident about but id also settle on someone who wasnt me/a strong TR

[Yuri]

Vecna: srsly how the heck do you bring up that thing w jaereed as a point? what exactly is strange about me remembering that nebby had pushed jaereed for the 'slip'? i was obvs paying attention to nebby, was SRing them, and when they said it was a tell they liked ofc i immediately made the connection to that whole slip argument earlier. how tf could you KNOW i wouldnt remember that?

[Yuri]

Math you should be looking at Vecna after my flip too aight, if you discard the scumread bc i dont flip scum i will actually haunt you

[Yuri]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

[Yuri]

Vecna might be waking up to his townblock has scums in it.
Let's get rid of him.

wait wtf does this mean, how on earth are u reading this as scum me trying to mislynch vecna, isnt your whole thing that u think we're partners

[Yuri]

Maria what about my Vecna vote makes u sure im town. what do you expect scum me to have done in this situation instead

The vote doesn't feel survivalist like it feels like you really sr Vedna and want a wagon on him I feel like if you were scum you would've gone for a wagon that could've got you more traction like Luv Me Deo Notice etc

None of those actually seem all that viable to me. cept you but i said i was townreading you. notice is a possibility id grant

idk, from here it sorta looks like you picked something thats easier to TR me for so you could defend the town getting mislynched.

but i do also see how u could come to this conclusion as town, so idk if i could get more information out of pressing this. either way i still feel like TRing you

[Yuri]

Math Vecna has been a TR for the whole game and then did something that looks hella scum. im like rly bad at making cases, i can just tell you that looking at vecna hes afraid of being called in a scum group that was mislynching me, and that wouldnt be as bad as looking like my buddy, bc he knows im not

contrast with jaereed whos afraid of being called my buddy

[Yuri]

(Hey Sonham, stop talking to scum please and start with what I asked you to do.)

why tf dont you want me to discuss with sondam. what are you gonna do after my townflip lmao

Uzi would you discard ur notice scumread after my townflip yes or no

and why does everyone keep saying notice isnt viable its weirding me out

[Yuri]

What is that something?

JaeReed isn't afraid lol. Afraid people don't do what JaeReed did.

~~Math

pointed it out in my vote post? doesnt wanna be called for mislynching me

what did jaereed do that afraid people dont. im not saying jaereed is currwntly in a state of fear im saying that vecna bringing up ghem as a partner after a scumflip of mine is something they really did not like, but scum would not feel that way

[Yuri]

why not link my response along with frog's case there?
im not calling any player scum for a long period of time bc i keep changing my damn mind bc something makes me look at it a different way. do you really think my scum play would be this messy and weak? i know im an alt but i do have experience

[Yuri]

Yuri keeps talking about all these problems they have with my slot.

Yet still is somehow townreading me. Like they know I'm town.

was hoping youd address some of them.i dont think youre scum w vecna and i think vecna is scum, plus i dont get this annoyrd with the play of scum

[Yuri]

Aight busy today but u have me for a coupla hours

Part of me hopes Yuri flips town so MathBlade gets a reality check

This works just as well with the story though, probably even better.

Im discarding a lot of my TRs that im no longer happy w the reasoning for bc i have far too many.
Bc this is really Vecna bein scared of math's read after my townflip
Like full stop

Second i doubt spiff is scum, that isnt how scum approaches a town wagon at all, none of it. unless the frog flips scum and gives me a reason to think scum theatre, spiff is town for everythin about his progression pn my wagon

also jaereed hydra is town. post about vecnas thought that jaereed and i are buddies contains paranoia abt me being scum and this making jaereed look bad. im not talking about overt paranoia but what i got from reading in between the lines
scum jae would know im flipping town and would still address the case, but not with that feeling im getting from them that they believe ill flip scum w vecna

holy crap math its here, one post before my vote in my ISO

[Yuri]

What Math doesn't understand is we don't need her to push any agenda through

lol thank you for

finally

admitting you have an agenda and pocketed Titus.

Wow. Never thought I would hear that on D1. Thought I would have to rip it out of you D3 or 4.

~~Math

Lol having and pushing an agenda is NAI..

Correct. It's what the agenda IS that's scum indicative or town indicative. That's where Math is getting into a circle.

Uzi is scum -> he's pursuing an agenda -> it's a scum agenda -> therefore he is scum.

The process should be...

This is an agenda -> What does this person gain? -> This is that player's thought pattern.

(Hint: This is why I have a problem with your posts Maria).

Titus idk if im happy with how half your posts are discrediting your own hydra partner. very good cop bad cop

[Yuri]

If your main is who you are implying it is here (guessing as I'm a terrible alt hunter), I have never seen your scum game. Your town game is not perfect by any stretch but been improving. The whole "not messy and weak" is a wifom defense and garbage. You can point to this is too dumb to be scum, but it's generally not a persuasive argument.

You know what is? Stop going scattershot ADD and focus. Tell us your reads on everyone in the game and why.

Hey could you not compare my play to ADHD

And no, that would be pointless. i dont have compelling reads on everyone in the game. if i found someone i was SURE was scum youd bet id be pushing them, but all i can do rn is townhunt or point out what i dont like from players

[Yuri]

VOTE: Yuri

Fine the recent wall was weird and I'll vote with my town reads.

Were you just waiting for me to post something you could vote one

which parts were weird and why

pedit lol lmao

[Yuri]

Nice of you all to finally notice

No. Beeboy is town who can't deal with the amount of posts as he can't be online as much as Mass Effect Mafia.

~~Math

how do you know beeboy cant deal with this amount of posts?

VOTE: beeboy

[Yuri]

im looking for something to be confident about but id also settle on someone who wasnt me/a strong TR

I didn't like this part in particular.

why not say that you found this scummy instead of 'the wall was weird'

[Yuri]

why does beeboy struggling with activity make him town? thats NAI behaviour

[Yuri]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Get back on Yuri for ffs.
If beeboy wants to bus because ywall are associating him with Yuri then let him bus

i dont believe this annoyance if you think beeboy is bussing one bit

[Yuri]

Like in the current state of the game I just don't understand why you would ever consider something like that unless you were scum seeking survivability especially when the A&N Lynch was actually really viable (and a scum read of Yuri's) starting some random af vanity wagon just seems so out of place for a town mind set.

Why do you expect town to go with wagon viability over who they think is scummiest at the time

And how does going for what u think is an unviable wagon make it look like im going for survivability. those two contradict each other

[Yuri]

Is it against the rules if I use dice tag?

Yep

[Yuri]

Yeah i responded to that are u plannin on sayin something in return

[Yuri]

Why does everyone call Elbirn Elbrin is it a joke from something

[Yuri]

Beeboy is essentially we don't like Beeboy is lurking because Beeboy usually posts a fuck ton.

Literally only Spiff has said that and not even that

[Yuri]

Creature what's your read on me and beeboy?

[Yuri]

Creature i dont think ive played with you on my main, you wouldnt have meta on me either way

Why is beeboy looking town?
Issue w beeboy has nothing to do w activity an everythin to do with the vote on me, the justification, and the defenses after that
really just looks like they were waiting for an opportunity, and that opportunity came when i started posting today. even the part beeboy pointed out is just some random part and similar enough to beeboy's own apparent feelins about this game that idk how that jumped out as the only thing he didnt like. like he was looking for something to justify the vote hop but its so minor i dont believe it one bit

[Yuri]

"I'll vote anyone who isn't a strong TR" is just a really odd stance to have day 1 in a large theme

man what. would it be less weird in a mini or something. large themes day 1 are full of compromise null votes theres like no way to get a majority scumread on a player unless they irrecoverably slip
you say its different bc youre voting a null read (or maybe a scumread idk you havent really said youre properly scumreading me just defended saying u werent townreading me) with your townreads but it isnt really different

anyways this whole thing is hard to swallow since its only coming out after there's pressure on you, hard to believe you think im scum when i just see that you dont want to be scumread for switching your vote

Pedit woah ribbit

[Yuri]

Why is beeboy looking town?

idk, he seems to have the game more narrowed down and stuff like that, and I also agree with his reads.

Youre SRing kyouko and akane, and you have similar townreads to beeboy?

hey nahdia!

ok gotta blast all thats it for today

[Yuri]

beeboy and i had similar SRs to start. the jump to me was really opportunist and i think ive already pointed out why spiff. really just shouts that he was waiting on it and latched onto something he could push as a reason, andit doesnt really hold up to observation

[Yuri]

I am taking issue with Yuri being ok lynching her null reads to stay alive.

Why wouldnt i rather kill nulls that could possibly be town, over being mislynched myself when im confirmed town

[Yuri]

Having a pool of people you want to vote = fine
Lynching null reads for survivability despite having multiple scum reads = not fine.

And so? I was voting one of those scumreads

Frog wtf you argue for beeboy for three pages, dont reach an agreement or seem satisfied at all, but then you want to vote me so titus and math will get along?? im not the cause of their issue im just a symptom

[Yuri]

IDK frog was looking really town for pushing beeboy over me there when scum frog would have no reason to but the reason for the switch back does not make sense to me at all

[Yuri]

No. I vote you because you're scum.

Have I not made that clear ALL FUCKING DAY PHASE

I knew you were scumreading me but you cant have me and beeboy as scum at the same time, and i dont see what got rid of your suspicion on beeboy.

[Yuri]

I'm tempted to vote Yuri myself now just to get a flip so I can tunnel frog boy here into the ground
~Maria

Maria this sucks as much as Frog saying it was so Math and Titus will get along

[Yuri]

Maria: Like i know its not the same cause you didnt vote there but lmao

anyway i probs really should go. everyone do me a favour and pretend the votes for yuri are votes for lesbians bc i think thats beautiful

[Yuri]

I no longer think theres a possibility of DEO faking this ridiculous dissonance but it really does need to stop
You know neither of them will let up regardless of flips

[Yuri]

That's exactly what Frogger and I have been doing all game, despite Math. Frogger wants that shit with Math fixed. So do I. We'd be much further if we don't have to deal with Math.

This is toxic, this mindset cant continue. you guys need to deal with each other privately or someone needs to sub out

[Yuri]

Then I'm going to ask you to be quiet until you sync up and get on the same page together,

TITUS

[Yuri]

I am never playing a large ever again

TBF, its not larges that are the problem its the ego's that are the problem. It was pretty clear that one of Bee or Yuri was going to be lynched today and this day phase should have ended days ago. Sometimes I feel like there's been scum theater (DEO vs. Venca) and the big personalities are talking up a storm b/c they are scum and want to make it look like they are hunting. Or maybe they just think they are the sharpest tools in the shed.

Nerooooo let's see a vote on me or beeboy id rather 1v1 this and lose than be run up by myself

[Yuri]

Titus there are 700 posts between those two the sequence no longer applies at that point if ABR was gone for that long

[Yuri]

Nerooooo let's see a vote on me or beeboy id rather 1v1 this and lose than be run up by myself

So you are scumreading me now?

What
No i want to 1v1 beeboy i just said that

[Yuri]

Nero, please for the love of God vote us today or tomorrow if you cannot work with me. I'll acknowledge you tried to work with me this game, but Math is just a toxic detriment to this town.

~Titus

Can you pls stop blaming math for every problem because the problem is both of you together. math being wrong isnt a problem by itself

[Yuri]

Or we could let ABR explain what changed instead of handwaving it away as 700-1000 posts apart so NBD

That can still happen but it justifying ABR being Titus's best scumread is just not acceptable tbh

[Yuri]

Lynch Vote 1.27

Yuri (8):

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Akane and Nebby,

Vecna

,

Spiffeh

,

beeboy

,

Fro99er

,

The DEO

,

Nero Cain

beeboy

(3):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

PeregrineV

,

Yuri

Sondam

(2):

Drixx

,

Creature

Akane and Nebby

(1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna

(1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko

(1):

Maxous

Fro99er

(1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai

(1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba

,

NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

nero should be blue i dont feel like fixing it tho bc mobile

[Yuri]

so it looks like im todays lynch. is there anything yall want from me before that happens
im talkin opinions i am NOT making a reads wallpost for every damn slot
only ask if youre actually gonna care and take them into account once ive flipped

[Yuri]

just ftr im not home but will answer when i am

[Yuri]

props to math for the cool question

[Yuri]

omg how many times are people gonna reference that same damn post and not my response to it

[Yuri]

how is anyone gonna see it, this game is 100 pages long. you should link it to someone if you're linking that one already. and if it's horrible then link it as evidence smh

[Yuri]

I wonder if DEO's hydra dissonance is just scum theater. Titus and Math having a lot of disagreements is believable, but making it so public could be a deliberate move to make the thread unreadable.

k tbh i had the same thought but independently theyre both reminding me of their towngames

i dont think its wrong to scumread that hydra theyre a mess and its ridiculous how much of these back and forths are happening w/o something giving.

and yes DEO im scum throwing shade on you right before im lynched, truly this is the best plan ever bc people love to listen to shade thrown by scum who was just lynched

[Yuri]

Yeah Notice is town for not shrugging and jumping on the biggest wagon like goddamn seriously??? leon that post u voted me for is half a game ago
and thats also ridiculous bc the games been going for four days but thats still a significant amount of pages
town get #rekt

[Yuri]

Best people read your response in context and don't take my word for it that it is a horrible post.

i dont care about best people i care about information reaching the lazy people
no one who isnt caught up is properly reading this game

[Yuri]

*they
this day is worthless i dont even have a counterwagon
back and forth on DEO but at least Titus seems to be doubting that im scum so idk she's obviously seeing that this shit is weird no matter how u slice it

[Yuri]

Leon's vote is about as bad as beeboy's on my wagon imo
Now someone hammer so i can shout REMEMBER MEEEEEEEEE

[Yuri]

WHY does this day need to end leon we have ten days, do u not care to play or something bc the threads clogged with 500 fuckin posts of The DEO Show

[Yuri]

cute fake hammer but i want real blood alisae. also i have more material

[Yuri]

im not summarizing my stances bc ive already given em, town can ISO me after i die if they give a shit. just dont look at like.. the first half of the posts cause i sucked. the later stuff is not shit so feel free to look at my opinions and why. including Vecna sr idk that post pinged me hard and i listen to that stuff

[Yuri]

You can always hammer yourself
-Nebby

im neither an idiot nor scum

[Yuri]

i didnt think u cared, considering you were gonna go to bed and wanted me hammered before i got back

[Yuri]

*before you got back

[Yuri]

mmk. well i have nullreads on a lot of the game due to me being better at reading people while chatting w them in real time, and the lil batch of lurks, so is there someone(s) specific i can focus on?

[Yuri]

yeah there aren't any that rly fit the first thing except your hydra. and i what ive talked abt there is the extent of my thoughts on the matter so ill do the second.
A&N - scum
Frog - town
beeboy - scum
Uzi - town
Vecna - hate this read bc town and then that one fucking post that idk maybe i should stop holding onto at this point bc im a dumbass
Sondam - toooooooown

idk if im forgetting an interaction but these are the significant ones i remember. i didnt include players that i threw a comment at like, one time

most of my nullreads are players i just never got into a discussion with. i do have TRs that i didnt interact w tho

[Yuri]

like Math there is a lot of bad things going on with your hydra? i see a lot of u appearing to be very upset about the arrangement and a lot of titus saying she's trying to change your mind and that you're obstructing the game and being toxic. and idk why its in the thread but i do REALLY doubt that you two decided to like.. actually i just thought of this now but fuck i dont think either titus or math would choose such a strategy as scum, theyre not those kind of people who would willingly inject this into the game even to win a game?? so theyre town and ill stand by that

[Yuri]

omfg

davesaz gets a leantown for the creature thing but i dont think the post he quoted has any meaning abt creatures alignment
lotta pages so more in a sec

[Yuri]

who wants to hear a funny joke
its winter and the heat in my building has been off all day
looks like its getting dealt with soon

[Yuri]

Titus u say dividing town i say, literally goddamn derailing my mislynch so ty to the town dividers rn, bc that consensus wagon (i didnt have a counter) was actually terrible

also im not flip flopping on vecna anymore that guy is scum, quote in a sec, no way i can move the lynch tho so fuck it beeboy is a good one too
idk about caesar like is it just meta that aero isn't posting combining w nullscum from caesar's posts? i just have them as null and i dont rly like the wagon

[Yuri]

If Yuri is scum reads:
{DEO, Creature, LUV, Vecna, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{Jesus, ABR, Spiffeh}
{Maxous, Kyouko}
{Beeboy, Sondam}
{Yuri}

If Yuri is town:
{Yuri}
{DEO, LUV, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin, Spiffeh}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{ABR, Creature, Vecna}
{Sondam, Maxous, Kyouko, Jesus}
{Beeboy}

-Nebby

How does my allignment tumble that hard based on a flip? That makes very little sense to me. can you explain it please?

here's vecna being scared of my townflip for a second time, despite scumreading me

there were other posts that pinged but oh my god you guys posted so much

[Yuri]

Titus u say dividing town i say, literally goddamn derailing my mislynch

Sure. He derailed your wagon.

That doesn't make him town even if you are town.

When i'm scum I derail town mislynches all the time for town cred

His refusal to work with obvious town is telling

are you suspicious of spiffeh?? you sure put a lot of stock into his opinions despite that

and no it isnt, werent u getting on my ass for buddying earlier, why would scum spiff 'not want to work with obvtown'. the only thing it tells is that spiff is going w his own opinion

[Yuri]

also nothing abt akane & nebby's recent posting is towny

[Yuri]

are you suspicious of spiffeh?? you sure put a lot of stock into his opinions despite that

I thought we were talking about ABR

pffffft oh ok nevermind

[Yuri]

Though I'd wager that there be scum in those that were voting Yuri and then switched to Ceasar, if any did.

This is a good point.

If Yuri really is town, as Spiff is making me start to think, then there was almost surely scum on that wagon.

I need to analyze that wagon

spoiler frog its beeboy and vecna

[Yuri]

DEO was on both. We can lynch DEO.

ABR DEO is just being DEO. well, titus is bein titus
no way theyre faking this shit as scum. not saying i like it at all but even scum!titus wouldnt purposefully inject such awful shit into the game to be townread

[Yuri]

titus please stop with that. assuming im town and beeboy is town then who the fuck is scum?? beeboy is my best shot. would rather vecna but honestly
and caesar is sort of a lame lurker lynch, uzi's right i doubt it would go anywhere in the end

[Yuri]

What is awful Yuri? Titus is like that every game as either alignment.

i know we have differing opinions on titus but any of her negative impact on games would not be done on purpose. if she's scum here she would be doing this (the cannibalism of her own hydra i mean) and knowing full well she was doing this and i really doubt it.

[Yuri]

Caesar and ABR.

ok these are both rly hard to work with, caesar i already said and ABR is def a problem between you two and not an alignment thing. not saying that makes him def town but it does mean i dont see a good reason for him to be scum or for him to be pushed

[Yuri]

nero have u never seen town titus say something blatantly untrue

[Yuri]

The problem is if both you and beeboy are town, then scum have sat on the sidelines hoping for town to eat itself and you get a lurker lynch.

ok, going for a lurker lynch if both of us are town makes sense
why do you have such a big TR on beeboy btw? i dont see it

[Yuri]

Because of ABR hard defending Caesar and buddying the fuck up to Spiffeh.

what does this have to do w beeboy
dont like all the d1 associations. what im seeing from beeboy is his terrible response to when frogger grilled him for his reasons for moving onto my wagon. the reasoning didnt hold up but beeboy continued to defend and complain

[Yuri]

Im not afraid of your flip at all, I honestly couldnt care less if youre mislynched town.

Im asking why the flip moves me from one of his highest townreads to his biggest scumreads. Doesnt that look weird to you? Or do you think if you were to flip town everyone that voted you is suddenly confirmed scum?

Its fine if he has reasons for it, but I want to -know- those reasons.

...............But apparently everyone is ignoring everything I ask for some reason.

vec my dude this game is moving so quickly rn im surprised anyone is seeing responses to their shit
also shouldnt u care if im mislynched town bc you dont want to mislynch town

it doesnt look weird to me at all. in fact i was banking on my townflip to get u some fuckin heat among other things
its entirely normal for reads to change dramatically after a flip wtf is this

[Yuri]

The reasoning was never bad. People just label shit as bad to end the day.

ABR's lying here is what's bad. Nero's just confused.

please im trying to talk about beeboy
i disagree i do think the reasoning wasnt good, and the whole interaction isnt good either. i might link to the start of it and have you read it again or s/t idk. and id like to know what about

beeboy's play

makes you townread them

[Yuri]

Yuri,

Can you talk to me about Max?

yeah i just saw this
tbh i dont remember the max wagon that well. i could ISO him if you want a read, hold on

[Yuri]

ALL of it. They have good reads. They're just being offered up by scum. They didn't just attack you out of desperation.

which reads were good? he voted Uzi, then akane, then myself. i agree with the middle one still but why do YOU like those reads? and pls dont tell me he had good townreads u know thats bunk in a large on d1

[Yuri]

If Titus is town, she's going to die tonight and then you'll have me to contend with tomorrow.

How about you reset your read on me, and look at the world from that perspective?

Hint; im town, this is better for your chances to win this game.

in WHAT world does scum kill DEO?????????????????
and no

[Yuri]

Yuri you need to reset your read on be.
Cuz you're suffering from conf bias
-Nebby

are you suddenly townreading me lmao

[Yuri]

No. His reads right now. His early reads were shit.

i asked which for a reason, could i please have legit example of which reads were good? im not in a position to go looking at beeboy's recent reads to figure out which ones you're talking about

pedit: im sorry frogger people are talking at me and i want to respond, i havent forgotten

[Yuri]

Everyone asking for my reads in various ways.

I've said Drixx, Maxous, Nero, Spiffeh, Vecna, PV and Fro99er are all likely to be town.
Vecna, and Fro99er just feel like they are genuinely solving the game.
Maxous' thoughts make sense and his pushes seem interesting to make if he was scum.
Nero is town cause meta
PV is also meta.
Drixx's entire play so far screams "investigate me no matter how I play" so he is obvious town.
Also I am pretty sure Uzi is town because his paranoia feels genuine and town and it doesn't really feel like scum who knows my lynch will go through regardless of how he defends me.
I also think the Aero+Pine hydra is town cause I feel like the push they made would be weird af to make as scum.

I am pretty sure my wagon has scum on it considering how long and hard I have been pushed by people, if Spiffeh and PV are town that leaves Creature (who I already think is disingenuous this game) and Kyouko (who I'd also still Lynch)
I am still really confident that A&N will flip scum so I give literally 0 shits about voting anyone else right now.

Titus are you talking about this? BC its a bunch of townreads and then a Creature scumread and a kyouko scumread. also an akane scumread which i guess you just called shit
like what is uber towny about this, and what do u agree with.

[Yuri]

I see all these "null reads" on Kyouko.
But there's not enough information to read him!
Complete rubbish.
these "null reads" are first on my list for scum buddies.

k frog i looked at maxous and remembered i dont have a problem there rn, disagree with the reads but the insistent vanity push on kyouko isnt scummy

however i dont understand this point and wanted t ask about it bc wtf does this mean max