Open 678 - White Flag GAME OVER!

[BTD6_maker]

I will probably start by looking at the Siblings wagon to read the people on it.

[BTD6_maker]

Personally, I think it's a rather weak wagon. From a quick skim a lot of it seems to be based on one post you made earlier.

[BTD6_maker]

I am actually really upset guys.
I really wanted to be scum in this game.

I don't like being town as much as I once did.
I suck as town.

"Hey guys, let's play the victim card and maybe people won't scumread me! Great plan, amirite?"

VOTE: fire

didn't read but he's getting voted

Hate this vote.

From the Scum PT:

Claim cop in a game without PR's for towncred.

I told you it was a brilliant plan.

Intent to hammer

.

Claim.

Lol trying to fish for a claim when there's no PRs in the game.

I claim Scum.
Please hammer.

Town legit does not say this.

VOTE: Fire

Foudn the first scummo

You were supposed to answer me in the PT.

Sorry bb my bad

Okay, with some of this I can't tell if it's just trolling or scum WIFOM, but I do know Fire is trying to force it down our throats and it looks scummy because it looks like he's trying to push the too scummy to be scum gambit.

aristophanes, why are you defending me?

I'm not defending you!
I'm using you as a prop to read LUV!

Some people. So full of themselves

Townposting.
-Ali

This was that quote. I don't see anything in there that is actually more likely to be said by scum than Town, so I don't see why everyone picked up on this post.

[BTD6_maker]

At work now and will be posting later tonight.

Btd6 always makes those kind of intros tho, and believe me, i fosed him for the same thing.

I never played with BTD6. Can you point me to some of his other games where he made a similar intro?

We have played before, if I remember correctly. You were in Code Geass for a rather brief amount of time.

Anyway, starting on the Siblings wagon.

The first vote was Grey. Grey had very little reasoning in his ISO, even after the vote, but kept it there for a while. I would normally call this slightly scummy but the vote was made very early in the game, so I would say this is an RVS vote and practically NAI.

Firebringer next.

[BTD6_maker]

Town legit does not say this.

VOTE: Siblings Quarrel

Yeah, thats bs. And you know it.

I am sorry grey, 1v1 later.

It is irrelevant whether Town would ever claim scum for a joke. It has happened before. That does not make "Town legit does not say this" something that is only said by scum. It may be wrong, but saying it is in no way AI.

wait was he l-1 lmfao

And you still put him at L-1...
Even tho he wasn't AT L-1...
VOTE: Trans
-Ali

power wagon this. power wagon this hard.

Again, you haven't given good reasons for power wagoning Siblings Quarrel. Alisae was scumreading Transcend for eagerness to bring an early game wagon to L-1. (As far as I have seen, it wasn't L-1, with Lil Uzi Vert, Pine, Siblings, and Transcend on the wagon, but that doesn't change my point). Can you explain why this was scummy?

Yeah, thats bs. And you know it.

I said that kind of stuff a lot in Spyro and I was scum and I somehow got away with it.
-Ali

your statement is too absolute for my liking.
the reason you can get away with doing it is if people know you do it as both alignments.

when I say "I am scum" it literally means nothing. Its just me bored trying to see how people react (and partly my shits and giggles). If town literally never did that, well scum would get lynched overtime they did it.

In that case, the logical pro-Town thing to do would be to not claim scum. It fails even as a reaction test if everyone knows it is a joke (and may respond with similar joke reactions). There is no point to doing it as Town if it means nothing.

Overall, this looks scummier than Grey's vote. I would class this as null-weak scum.

[BTD6_maker]

Transcend only voted Siblings for a relatively short time. While no reason was given, the voting post would make you think it's "practically" NAI. It did seem like a joke vote and they changed fairly soon so while their initial vote was later than Grey's (and thus less likely to be simple RVS) I can ignore it as NAI as it was made in a joking manner.

[BTD6_maker]

What do you think are the chances that he's town overblowing your interactions with Siblings?

Maybe he is!!! But maybes are for babies and I'm a big girl!!! It's more likely that he's just scum!!!

Oh now you're just posturing.
VOTE: Riley Cake
-Ali

This is opportunistic.

Okay, going to bed for real now

Pine had voted Siblings a lot previously, but not given any substantial reasons until now. Even then, this on its own does not justify an apparent strong scum read. If you have other reasons, stating them is a good idea.

Pine seems very weakly scummy for this, but is pretty much nullscum and I consider Pine to be a weaker scumread than Fire.

[BTD6_maker]

As for Transcend putting someone who is not his strongest scumread at L-1, that seems highly opportunistic. Indeed, you can back out of it easily by saying stuff like "it was a reaction test, no one would have hammered anyway". Transcend didn't even do that much, in which case the L-1 looked atrocious. You vote someone because you think they are scum (especially if you are putting someone at L-1 this early), not because you are bored. The reason why this is scummy is that scum can easily do it for a chance of Town hammering, then shift the focus onto the hammerer rather than themselves.

Currently this is a weak scumread of mine, making it my strongest scumread.

VOTE: Transcend

[BTD6_maker]

I legit now think Siblings is scum with Riley and that they are trying to force some distance right here.

anyone sharing this thoughts at all?

IT'S WRONG!! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN EXPLAINED WHY SIBLINGS IS SCUM!!!! grrr!!

VOTE: firebringer!!!!

I will analyse the Titus wagon next. First, Riley Cake. This was early in the game, but Riley kept the vote due to having a scumread. Overall, there is not much here, but I can see this coming from Town, as Riley first voted Firebringer for not giving any reasons on Siblings.

Riley is still voting Titus, though, and there is not much in Riley's ISO specifically about Titus rather than Firebringer. Riley, do you also scumread Titus specifically or was your earlier scumread strong enough that the slot still looks scummy, regardless of Titus? If you scumread Titus, explain.

[BTD6_maker]

So was Trans.

but he stopped!!!!! the reason why policy lynches are scummy is cos it doesn't really help town find mafia!!!! it's just an excuse to bully people for talking different!!!! if someone is scum and pushing a policy lynch it's cos they wanna kill a townie for free!!!!! but if transy stopped, then he can't be scum who pushes a policy lynch, right?

I agree, the only time I would policy lynch is if we have a hard-core s--tposter, and they usually turn out to be scum anyway, except in the case of Transcend, who s--tposted regardless of role in both a game I modded and one I played (scum followed by town).

VOTE: TitusNot after last game. She's hella hard to read.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!! BEING HARD TO READ DOESN'T MAKE YA SCUM!!!

Yes, but it means it's a nightmare in LYLO (which can't be 3 man looking at the game rules)

soz.... are ya saying this is a policy lynch?

Yes, I suppose, and she's doing the same thing as last game, not explaining anything as town, and then coming up with poorly-thought out argument, question now is can meta be applied?

Tojam's vote on Titus is strange. Tojam had previously said that he generally doesn't policy lynch, then essentially admits to policy lynching. I doubt that scum would make such a slip-up purposefully - if they say that they do not want to policy lynch, then they wouldn't opportunistically vote and call it a policy lynch.

[BTD6_maker]

BTD what hath you to say about my scumreadery of your postifications?

Get thineself in here and responderate to my inquisition!

I will continue with my analysis of the Titus wagon but first I will address this.

You appear to scumread me. Yet in your entire ISO, I see zero reasons you give for this scumread. I know you are not pushing me at the moment but if you expect me to respond to your scumread on me I expect you to give reasons.

What are your reasons for scumreading me?

[BTD6_maker]

I have read Mastina's case on Titus. Unlike some other cases, this case has a lot of good reasoning. I won't quote all of Mastina's reasoning but some examples are Titus' comment on Riley Cake serving a function for scum, and also how Titus refuses to talk to Riley Cake due to the scumread. Overall, Mastina presented a lot of solid reasoning to back up reads. I will analyse Mastina's case in detail later, but overall I now have a weak Townread on Riley's slot and a weak scumread on Titus. I would be willing to vote Titus if need be.

[BTD6_maker]

We have Titus, ThinkBig, Tojam, Mastina, and Transcend. Currently Transcend and Titus are roughly equal scumreads of mine, both being weak scumreads, although Transcend is marginally scummier in my opinion. Tojam is a null-weak scumread. I would be willing to vote any of these three if need be. ThinkBig is currently nullTown while I am fairly confident that Mastina is Town, being a weak Townread of mine.

(By the way, weak reads are strong for me in Day 1. Moderate/strong reads generally take at least until Day 2 to form.)

[BTD6_maker]

You know:

tojam isa good lynch and the lack of momentum from an easy lynchbait like tj is very damning

but i'm really down to trim the fat because i'm sick of her stupid ego

VOTE: mastina

So you scumread Tojam, but are willing to policy lynch Mastina? Policy lynches are very bad unless the player is actually scummy in themselves. Mastina is providing a large amount of good content and is definitely not someone to policy lynch. You lynch someone because they are likely to be scum, not because you dislike their ego.

I know you later voted Tojam, but still at this moment you thought voting Mastina for her ego was the best vote. It is very easy for scum to do this and then use this defence when unable to provide real reasons for the vote.

[BTD6_maker]

VOTE: Titus

We need a lynch today. If Transcend is not a likely lynch candidate, this is my second choice.

[BTD6_maker]

At the moment my strongest scumread is Transcend. I will post my analysis of the wagons later.

I am willing to wagon Transcend.

VOTE: Transcend

[BTD6_maker]

Entropy isn't what it used to be.

Twenty Fourth and Final D1 Votecount

:

Titus- 7 (tojam2, mastina, Aristophanes, Momo, BTD6_maker, nancy, ThinkBig)

Tojam2 - 3 (Titus, Falco XV, hapahauli)

ThinkBig - 1 (Siblings Quarrel)
mastina - 1 (Transcend)

Not Voting - 1 (Pine)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Sunday, March 12th, @ 1:00 AM EST--(expired on 2017-03-12 01:00:00)

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• Mastina is V/LA on weekends
  
• ThinkBig is V/LA on weekends

I know you are but what am I?

Second and Final D2 Votecount

:

ThinkBig - 6 (Siblings Quarrel, momo, Transcend, Aristophanes, tojam2, nancy)

Siblings Quarrel - 1 (ThinkBig)

Transcend - 1 (mastina)

Not Voting - 3 (Pine, BTD6_maker, Falco XV)

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Day 2's deadline is Sunday, March 28th, @ 1:00 AM EST--(expired on 2017-03-28 01:00:00)

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• Mastina is V/LA on weekends
  
• We have some technical difficulties right now, should be resolved soon. No need to fret.

I'll never forget my grandfather's last words, "stop shaking the ladder damnit"

Second Final D3 Votecount

:

Mastina - 5 (Pine, Aristophanes, Transcend, Falco XV, Momo

Not Voting - 4 (Tojam2, Mastina, BTD6_maker, Siblings Quarrel)

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Day 3's deadline is Thursday, March 30th, @ 1:00 PM EST--(expired on 2017-03-30 13:00:00)

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• Mastina is V/LA on weekends

These are the VCs for the lynch wagons. I will be doing some VCA on them later, but at the moment I am rather busy.

[BTD6_maker]

There is not much to add at this point, except that Tojam is my current suspect. I am not going to vote yet, though.

The VCA mostly turned up inconclusive results. The Day 2 and 3 lynch wagons were probably based on "who was online immediately after Day started" so these do not have that much useful information.

[BTD6_maker]

It is possible that scum did not want to risk attempting an extended quick hammer in case Tojam posted. I think this is unlikely, though, as scum would presumably get the chance to tell each other their online times in order to hammer together.

[BTD6_maker]

I don't get your logic about it being Falco that's confscum.

Suppose (as is very likely) that scum arranged a time to hammer. Then it would follow that if Falco was Town, he would have been hammered if possible. This is not the case if the only people voting him are scum. Thus it is possible for Tojam to be scum instead of Falco, and it is this possibility that I am leaning towards.

Also, Falco hasn't said all that much in comparison to the others.

[BTD6_maker]

VOTE: Falco

[BTD6_maker]

I was spamming F5 after 2115, waiting for a reply from SQ before the extended quickhammer.

[BTD6_maker]

Anyway, this was a good win. Thanks, TheRealGin-N-Tonic for the game. I liked some of the one-liners.

Strangely, this may be one of the few games ever where the backup Mod lost.

[BTD6_maker]

I was thinking about whether or not to vote because we hadn't explicitly decided on a hammer time in our PT. I was mostly just worried that Tojam was online at the time but then decided I might as well prepare the extended quickhammer.

[BTD6_maker]

For those that do or do not know, now that I've completed the modding of this game, I now fulfill the requirements to be a mini-theme game moderator.

THAT MEANS' GINN'S REVENGE IS ON IT'S WAY BABY

Who are you against in this game?

I could possibly act as your backup Mod and help with the setup.

[BTD6_maker]

If so, I can possibly retract my pre-In and help with the design of this game and be a backup Mod (unless you already have one).

(After all, we were virtually the same role, only mine was marginally weaker. The counterclaim was interesting and I thought you were confscum.)

[BTD6_maker]

So what do you say about me being a backup Mod? Do you have one?