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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:04 am

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13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies
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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 am

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Unlimited bulletproof makes that townsided.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:35 pm

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I know nothing about setup balance. How do I learn how to be a good setup designer? What heuristics are used when balancing setups?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #3) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:32 pm

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The closeness of the community has jack shit to do with the comments that cfj brought up
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Post Post #82 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:56 am

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In post 81, Powder Punk Girl wrote:
In post 79, Accountant wrote:The closeness of the community has jack shit to do with the comments that cfj brought up
So everyone already knowing how good each other are has nothing to do with him saying players are going to have to "pretend" to be worse, riiiight. Thanks anyway friend, but you are wrong.
Don't add condescension to your ignorance. In the first place, knowing the skill levels of everyone doesn't affect the problematic factor of town not wanting to be obvtown because then scum starts to focus on town. That applies regardless of skill level, regardless of how well players know each other and is the main reason I don't play multiball.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 83, Psyche wrote:we typically put accountant on ignore, ppg
The vast majority of users do not have me on ignore. You do, because you're blind and deaf and don't want to be anything but.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:39 am

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In post 85, Powder Punk Girl wrote:Because scum doesn't want to shoot obvtown regardless of the setup? Do you even hear yourself?
Scum loves to shoot obvtown. Please don't start acting dumb.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:51 am

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Let me lay it out for you.

BEING OBVTOWN MAKES TOWN STRONGER.

Why?

1) someone that townies can trust/rally around
2) unmislynchable = lynch pool smaller = higher % of catching scum
3) drawing NKs means PRs are safe

In singleball, town WANT to be obvtown, because it makes town stronger.

In multiball, town doesn't want to be obvtown. Why? Because it makes town stronger. The mafia teams are going to go "there is obvtown making a townbloc and generally being a nuisance. Obvtown makes town strong. If I crosskill here, we might lose hard.".

So being obvtown in a multiball game makes the mafia stop wanting to crosskill and start wanting to kill town members(more), and focus on hunting down town PRs rather than other scum.
In particular, each of the factions has to choose which of the other factions they're going to attack more strongly; if town are doing well, scum are likely to focus on killing strong townies, whereas if town are doing badly, the scum are more likely to try to cross-kill.
So being an obvtown leader who everyone trusts is shooting yourself in the foot. That logic applies no matter how tight knit you are and is a problem inherent to multiball and NOT singleball.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:04 am

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It's not about dying. Being a strong town voice who dies in singleball is fine, you'll end up strengthening the town by drawing kills away from PRs and leading the town when you were alive.

Being a strong town voice in multiball is not fine because it can mean doubling the nightkills headed your way.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:32 pm

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No, as a strong town voice in multiball you make scum teams stop crosskilling and start killing town because you just made town a threat to both of them. Where before the nightkills were 1 crosskill and 1 townkill, they're now 2 townkills, which means that the murder of an enemy is converted into the murder of an ally.
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