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Balance Discussuon Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:27 am
by Firebringer
You bring a Closed Setup in here.
Me and my crack team (I'll just yell at antihero and Radiantcowbells to help)
Decide if it's balanced.
Or if it's extremely unbalanced, town leaning, or scum sided.
Please don't bring a setup you plan on running.
Pref a setup that already ran.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:29 am
by Antihero
if it's multiball, no amount of yelling will get me to help
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:48 am
by Ircher
Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:54 am
by Firebringer
In post 2, Ircher wrote:Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie
I would say this is townsided given the amount of clears.
Probably not overtly townsided though since no investigatives.
Chances of it swinging depend on night kill and who friendly neighbor visited night one.
Four confirmed town in a 13 player game is a lot.
Scum essentially can't kill the VTs.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:48 pm
by Antihero
In post 2, Ircher wrote:Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie
close to balanced
friends and enemies has a high-ish scum win rate and so adding one more confirmed probably evens it up
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:50 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Townsided but not by an insane amount.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:27 am
by Umlaut
1x Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1x Mafia Goon
1x Town Watcher
1x Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
5x Vanilla Townie
This setup was built with input from the normal review group and then ended in a perfect town win on Day 2.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:04 am
by Accountant
13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:10 am
by McMenno
2 goons
5 townies
1 1-shot bulletproof
1 tracker
days are 365 days
nights are 24 hours
two lynches a day, plurality
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 am
by Accountant
Unlimited bulletproof makes that townsided.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 am
by Umlaut
Townsided, there are clearly more town than mafia in this setup
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:47 am
by chamber
I lean towards 3 masons 3 mafia 7 vts being a balanced setup. This is considerably more townsided than that.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:52 am
by Randomnamechange
1 paranoid gun owner/vig
12 SKs
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:03 am
by Antihero
In post 11, chamber wrote:
I lean towards 3 masons 3 mafia 7 vts being a balanced setup. This is considerably more townsided than that.
the stats don't bear that out
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nd_Enemies
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:05 am
by Antihero
In post 10, Umlaut wrote:
Townsided, there are clearly more town than mafia in this setup
someone give this man a professor mafia scummie
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:24 am
by McMenno
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:38 am
by Firebringer
In post 6, Umlaut wrote:1x Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1x Mafia Goon
1x Town Watcher
1x Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
5x Vanilla Townie
This setup was built with input from the normal review group and then ended in a perfect town win on Day 2.
Ill let antihero and Radiantcowbells comment on this since I was a reviewer, I thought this was perfectly balanced.
Unbalanced, but also a troll suggestion.
In post 8, McMenno wrote:2 goons
5 townies
1 1-shot bulletproof
1 tracker
days are 365 days
nights are 24 hours
two lynches a day, plurality
Worst setup ever.
Second worst setup ever.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:06 pm
by Fro99er
Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:12 pm
by Ircher
Town Odd-Night Jailkeeper
Town Even-Night Roleblocker
Town Follower Neighbor
Town Voyeur Neighbor
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman Encryptor
Mafia Odd-Night Ninja
Mafia Even-Night Jailkeeper (Town RB has precedence)
6 * Vanilla Townie
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:15 pm
by Randomnamechange
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:13 pm
by Antihero
In post 16, Firebringer wrote:Ill let antihero and Radiantcowbells comment on this since I was a reviewer, I thought this was perfectly balanced.
yep... good d("d)
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:13 pm
by Antihero
In post 17, Fro99er wrote:Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon
smidge scumsided. balanced enough.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:14 pm
by Spiffeh
Is it possible to edit the thread title so "Discussion" is spelled correctly?
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:15 pm
by Firebringer
Never!
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:16 pm
by Antihero
actually... nix that
that's scumsided