nancy's Mini Normal review

nancy · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:50 am

In post 1, mhsmith0 wrote:One quick note is that all scum roles being one-shot, and all of those being theoretically things that ought to be claimable, is probably something they might end up claiming over the course of the game and being outed for since only scum have 1-shot roles. I'm somewhat inclined to suggest that scum be given a full roleblocker instead of either the follow or neapolitan, especially since as given town has a jailkeeper, gunsmith AND vigilante, plus an effective masonizer which is fairly strong I think.

But overall gut says a bit too townsided as currently constructued.

I'm presuming scum would be smart enough to not claim their PRs? Except /maybe/ the doctor.

I want all scum to be PRs to disincentivize bussing and I'm opposed to a full RB as a thing because I think it's probably overpowered and encourages goon bussing.

nancy · Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:51 am

In post 2, Nexus wrote:we have a bonus reviwer.

Hooray!! ^_^

nancy · Post Post #7 (isolation #2) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:53 am

In post 3, Empking wrote:Scum PMs should say that they can only speak at night. Not sure what I think about the scum wincon or the three one-shots.

I think the JK neighbour should probably be told of his partner's encryptorness. Not sure what I think about the neighbouriser-encryptor interaction.

I think the game is also rather town-favoured. You could probably drop any two town power roles and have it be more balanced.

Thanks I kind of rushed the role PMs.

Do you see giving scum more power as an alternative to ditching Town power?

nancy · Post Post #8 (isolation #3) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:53 am

I mean I have like 5 variations on this setup in my mod PM.

nancy · Post Post #10 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:59 am

-- Town
2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Encryptor Neighbor
Jailkeeper Neighbor
Vigilante
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

-- Scum
1-shot Doctor
2-shot Neapolitan
1-shot Roleblocker

????

nancy · Post Post #11 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:01 am

Full flips yes.

nancy · Post Post #12 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:02 am

Could ditch Maf Doc if Gunsmith gone. Role was half there for false negative on copshot.

nancy · Post Post #13 (isolation #7) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:05 am

Btw I don't know Normal rules wrt Encryptors. Is there a way to make all Town hoods have daytalk? Ie all the hoods made by neighborizer also? Or can it only be the hoods in which encryptor is in?

nancy · Post Post #14 (isolation #8) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:05 am

In post 8, nancy wrote:I mean I have like 5 variations on this setup in my mod PT.

Edit.

nancy · Post Post #15 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:07 am

In post 9, mhsmith0 wrote:Scum wincon phrased a bit odd but I don't think I hate it.

Say how I can make it better?

nancy · Post Post #16 (isolation #10) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:07 am

Oh LOL I forgot I wrote it like that lmaooooooo

nancy · Post Post #17 (isolation #11) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:09 am

You win when Town are all ded or can no prevent el same-o is just me copying other scum wincons I've seen, seems straightforward I thought?

nancy · Post Post #18 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:09 am

You win when you have majority voting power over Town or Town cannot prevent the same.

?

nancy · Post Post #20 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:10 am

Like it's confirmed 10:3 so it's not like I need to pretend there could be other scum.

nancy · Post Post #21 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:12 am

Btw MiniDeathStar replaces MathBlade as backup/co-mod.

nancy · Post Post #22 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:13 am

Spoiler: SCUM ROLE

nancy · Post Post #23 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:15 am

I think I won't include anything wrt daytalk in JK PM because it gives scum more info on flip.

nancy · Post Post #24 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:15 am

Unless I don't do full flips.

nancy · Post Post #25 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am

Which could be a thing I guess. Idc particularly.

nancy · Post Post #27 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:22 am

OK sure.

Spoiler: SCUM ROLE

Spoiler: Town Jailkeeper Neighbor

nancy · Post Post #29 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:29 am

Yaaaaaaaaaaa he was pre-inned!!!!

nancy · Post Post #30 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:34 am

Btw I probably want to write flavor at some point do I need to um approve all of that stuff here beforehand also?

nancy · Post Post #32 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:04 pm

OK great thanks.

nancy · Post Post #33 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:42 pm

So I think there are a few different permutations I'd be most willing to look at here in terms of making the original less Town-sided.

The first would be removing Gunsmith as I did.
The second would be jacking up scum power, which I don't really like the idea of to a great extent.
Third would be nerfing TPRs, e.g., 2-shot Vig, and buffing scum power, e.g., 2-shop Rolecop, 1-shot Roleblocker.

If you have a fourth/fifth/etc. that you think I should consider please say so, those are my thoughts atm.

nancy · Post Post #34 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:44 pm

Other variations on this setup had a Desp and a BG, fwiw.

nancy · Post Post #35 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:46 pm

I also considered two hoods at game start, between vig/someone, but ultimately decided (as prodded by smith) that there'd be too much risk of tinfoiling on scum in hoods.

nancy · Post Post #36 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:52 pm

Spoiler: Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor

nancy · Post Post #37 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:55 pm

Actually that makes it look like the hood inherently has daytalk.

In post 36, nancy wrote:
Spoiler: Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Hello <player> and welcomes to Mini 1XXX! You are a
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
. You win and lose with Town.

Abilities:
You are neighors with _______. You'll find them over in the neighborhood PT (<link).
As long as you are alive, any PT containing at least one Town-aligned player will have daytalk.

WC: You win when all threats to Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned slot remains to tell the tale.

Game thread (<link). Please confirm via PM with role name and alignment before posting in thread.

Have fun!

nancy · Post Post #38 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:56 pm

I also think that I can't include that caveat in the JK role PM because it removes the claim burden etc.

nancy · Post Post #39 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:57 pm

Spoiler: Town Jailkeeper Neighbor

nancy · Post Post #40 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:09 pm

The only way I'd consider putting in a full RB is with like

1-shot Mafia Rolecop
Enabled Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

nancy · Post Post #41 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:11 pm

Which would heavily disincentivize bussing in 2 slots but there's NO reason to hold the rolecop so that slot is effectively a goon.

nancy · Post Post #42 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:13 pm

I could potentially do something like

1-shot Mafia Doctor
Enabled Mafia Roleblocker
1-shot Neapolitan Mafia Roleblocker Enabler (greylist)

Against the original Town setup??

nancy · Post Post #44 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:16 pm

That's really not elegant at all though.

pedit sec

nancy · Post Post #45 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:20 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

1-shot Mafia Commuter
2-shot Mafia Neapolitan
1-shot Mafia Roleblocker

Commuter because uh, I don't really know what else to put there and I hate goons.

nancy · Post Post #46 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:23 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor

These 3 roles are the core and I'm not willing to lose them.

nancy · Post Post #47 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:26 pm

I built on that with Gunsmith, Vig, Maf Doc because it feels elegant but I'm not super attached to them.

nancy · Post Post #49 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:32 pm

OK but I'm not happy about scum having daytalk.

nancy · Post Post #51 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:33 pm

Like the whole principle of this setup is that Town has superior day communication.

pedit lol possible

nancy · Post Post #52 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:38 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

2-shot Mafia Neapolitan
1-shot Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon

OR

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Gunsmith
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

2-shot Mafia Doctor
Enabled Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

nancy · Post Post #54 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:40 pm

I just feel like the existence of a goon means that I've fucked up the setup somewhere else.

pedit ok

nancy · Post Post #55 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:40 pm

Instead of a 1-shot RB then what?

nancy · Post Post #59 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:43 pm

Ohhhh I didn't think of that. But that would require the RB being last scum alive and holding their shot until then no?

nancy · Post Post #60 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:44 pm

You mean townsided? I could make gunsmith or vig x-shot

nancy · Post Post #61 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:44 pm

Was that a typo? :////

Peepul r saying its townsided

nancy · Post Post #62 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:03 pm

In post 1, mhsmith0 wrote:One quick note is that all scum roles being one-shot, and all of those being theoretically things that ought to be claimable, is probably something they might end up claiming over the course of the game and being outed for since only scum have 1-shot roles.

I misread this I think the first time btw. You're saying that scum x-shot roles should be claimable as a matter of design?

nancy · Post Post #64 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:33 pm

Cleaning up role PMs.

Spoiler: SCUM ROLE

Spoiler: TOWN JAILKEEPER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: TOWN DAYTALK ENABLER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: 2-SHOT WEAK NEIGHBORIZER

Spoiler: VT

extra roles

Spoiler: TOWN GUNSMITH

Spoiler: TOWN VIGILANTE

Spoiler: X-SHOT MAFIA DOCTOR

Spoiler: ENABLED MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER

Spoiler: MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER ENABLER

Spoiler: X-SHOT MAFIA NEAPOLITAN

nancy · Post Post #65 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:34 pm

In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Well this comes down to you. Which version of the setup are you more interested in and I'll focus on reviewing that?

Gunsmith/Vig/Maf Doc version.

nancy · Post Post #66 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:39 pm

I'm worried that it's too swingy with all of scum power focused in the roleblocker and 1 good vig shot potentially undoing that in 2/3 scum.

nancy · Post Post #67 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:40 pm

And like I said, if it proves too fickle to balance, I'm not opposed to just ditching the gunsmith.

nancy · Post Post #68 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:42 pm

Tell me what my setup needs and doesn't need and I'll change it accordingly if I don't think it compromises the basic idea of the setup.

nancy · Post Post #69 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:43 pm

I can forget my dislike of Goons.

nancy · Post Post #73 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:57 pm

This was an earlier version that I liked fwiw. Seemed a bit swingy though.

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Elite Bodyguard
Town Desperado

nancy · Post Post #74 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:58 pm

I'm not attached to the Vig.

nancy · Post Post #75 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:02 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Gunsmith
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

Town-sided?

nancy · Post Post #76 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:04 pm

Nvm no point in gunsmith without vig/doc.

nancy · Post Post #78 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:05 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #79 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:06 pm

Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor

Is this greylist?

nancy · Post Post #80 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:06 pm

Because I've been working on the impression that it's not greylist.

nancy · Post Post #82 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Nvm sorry the BG is pointless without other elements that I had.

nancy · Post Post #83 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:09 pm

Or maybe not. Protecting the masonry is a thing I guess.

nancy · Post Post #84 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:11 pm

Is that balanced with 1 Neapolitan?

nancy · Post Post #85 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Oh, mechanics question: Does the Neighborize shot resolve at end of Phase or as soon as the PM is sent?

nancy · Post Post #86 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:02 pm

Tempted to throw an x-shot Friendly Neighbor in there.

nancy · Post Post #87 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:04 pm

2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Town 1-shot Friendly Neighbor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #88 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:06 pm

That is going to be fucking hell for scum in a MyLo masslciam.

nancy · Post Post #89 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:09 pm

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #90 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 pm

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #91 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:14 pm

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard Neighbor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia 1-shot Neighborizer

nancy · Post Post #92 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:15 pm

Nvm 91 sucks.

nancy · Post Post #93 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:17 pm

I like 89.

Don't know if 90 is too many modifiers on the BG.

nancy · Post Post #94 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:19 pm

Let me know if Neapolitan is enough/too much against that Town power.

I'm happy dropping Vig/Gunsmith/Maf Doc for BP BG.

nancy · Post Post #95 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:20 pm

Er I kept Maf Doc in there but it's just WIFOM without Vig obviously.

nancy · Post Post #96 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:21 pm

Prevents scum from bussing because they need the goon to input kills if they want to use Doc protects.

nancy · Post Post #97 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:26 pm

I kinda want to add another plain BG tbh but I'm guessing you all will hate that.

nancy · Post Post #98 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:33 pm

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Even-Night Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Odd-Night Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #99 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:37 pm

Actually scum probably has no real recourse against the conf!clears with 2 BGs if I think about it.

nancy · Post Post #100 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:39 pm

Then again there's no guarantee the clears will out until after at least 1 BG is dead and BGs are great for making sure the strongest Towns don't all die D1/2 so..

nancy · Post Post #101 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:39 pm

K pagetop I'm saying too many things.

nancy · Post Post #102 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:42 pm

For the new page.

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #105 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:02 pm

Yeah I was thinking that. x-shot neo?

nancy · Post Post #107 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:05 pm

Urg. I don't want swing. How to eliminate swing?

nancy · Post Post #109 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:08 pm

Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Mason w/ hood
Mason w/ hood
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia 3-shot Neopolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #111 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:09 pm

Actually that's probably non-Normal.

nancy · Post Post #113 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:10 pm

OK how can I make it less swingy without removing the weak neighborize?

pedit I meant Masons sharing the JK/Encryptor hood

nancy · Post Post #116 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:12 pm

Wait really? It's listed as modifier on wiki

nancy · Post Post #118 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:13 pm

You should see the first setup I PMed mhsmith lol

nancy · Post Post #120 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:14 pm

Such as?

nancy · Post Post #121 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:18 pm

Btw I'm working on the assumption that if the BG visits Neighborizer when it neighborizes a scumslot that it would eat that death for it.

nancy · Post Post #122 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:22 pm

Which may be a wrong assumption and only a doc would save that.

nancy · Post Post #124 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:06 am

Noted, thanks.

nancy · Post Post #125 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:22 pm

If you all are happy with it and don't think anything else needs ironing out I'm happy with it.

In post 85, nancy wrote:Oh, mechanics question: Does the Neighborize shot resolve at end of Phase or as soon as the PM is sent?

nancy · Post Post #127 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:09 pm

Survives a successful bodyguard usage.

And sure.

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Town Odd-Night Gunsmith
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #130 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:11 pm

Oh I misunderstood.

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Odd-Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #131 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:12 pm

I like that scumteam a lot actually. That's super elegant.

nancy · Post Post #132 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:13 pm

Bussing is still disincentivized due to one slot not being able to do two actions in one night.

nancy · Post Post #133 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:14 pm

And I can see scumteam thinking there might be a Town Vig here.

nancy · Post Post #134 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:14 pm

Misinforming the scum team is always a good thing.

nancy · Post Post #136 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:18 pm

Spoiler: MAFIA ODD-NIGHT GUNSMITH

nancy · Post Post #137 (isolation #99) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:25 pm

Actually I think scum are more likely to think this is a real/useful role. Would this be okay?

Spoiler: MAFIA NON-CONSECUTIVE NIGHT GUNSMITH

nancy · Post Post #138 (isolation #100) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:19 pm

Just realized I have to put factional kill into scum role PMs.

nancy · Post Post #140 (isolation #101) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:36 pm

Spoiler: TOWN 2-SHOT WEAK NEIGHBORIZER

Spoiler: TOWN DAYTALK ENABLER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: TOWN JAILKEEPER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: TOWN 1-SHOT BULLETPROOF BODYGUARD

Spoiler: VANILLA TOWNIE

Spoiler: MAFIA NEAPOLITAN

Spoiler: MAFIA NON-CONSECUTIVE NIGHT GUNSMITH

Spoiler: MAFIA GOON

nancy · Post Post #141 (isolation #102) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:37 pm

Well let's just hope the Neighborizer doesn't kill itself N1 :////

nancy · Post Post #143 (isolation #103) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:40 pm

OK I need the question about when the Neighborizer shot is resolved answered though please

pedit hrm you think so?

nancy · Post Post #144 (isolation #104) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:41 pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I don't want setup spec

nancy · Post Post #146 (isolation #105) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:42 pm

Haha how am I supposed to do that

nancy · Post Post #148 (isolation #106) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:46 pm

But that's mod interference lol.

OK listen. What if I just made the Weak Neighborizer a Mason Recruit. It's the same role without the swing right?

nancy · Post Post #150 (isolation #107) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:49 pm

Mehhhhhhhhh w/e

nancy · Post Post #151 (isolation #108) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:51 pm

Worst case scenario, neighborizer targets scum n1 and no one knows who they targeted: is town fucked?

nancy · Post Post #152 (isolation #109) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:52 pm

Town 2-shot Weak Neighborizer
Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Non-Consecutive Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

nancy · Post Post #153 (isolation #110) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:54 pm

Like presumably you can say oh their top TR is scum but that's all WIFOM

nancy · Post Post #155 (isolation #111) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:18 pm

Oh ta.

Spoiler: TOWN 1-SHOT BULLETPROOF BODYGUARD

nancy · Post Post #156 (isolation #112) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:20 pm

Can I notify BG of losing vest under Normal guidelines?

nancy · Post Post #157 (isolation #113) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:57 pm

Other question I need answered before this goes forward is when to resolve the neighborizer shot.

Does it get resolved end of phase or as soon as I receive a PM from neighborizer?

nancy · Post Post #158 (isolation #114) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:24 pm

Empking what do you think about replacing the neighborizer with 2 masons?

nancy · Post Post #159 (isolation #115) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:27 pm

I really wanna get this 3/3ed before Dierfire lol

nancy · Post Post #160 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:35 pm

Literally tell me anything to change about the setup and I'll change it I don't even care what

nancy · Post Post #161 (isolation #117) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:40 pm

In fact let me just keep this the way you suggested it smith.

Spoiler: MAFIA ODD-NIGHT GUNSMITH

nancy · Post Post #163 (isolation #118) » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:46 pm

OK. No rebalancing needed with 2 masons?

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Mason
Mason
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Odd-Night Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

Final answer.

Approve? Y/N

Spoiler: MASON

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:16 pm

Misworded that.

Spoiler: MASON

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:19 pm

Drop 1-shot BP?

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:20 pm

Non-consec BG?

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:20 pm

Say what you want and it's yours.

nancy · Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:51 pm

Any of these?

Spoiler: A

Spoiler: B

Spoiler: C

nancy · Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:21 am

Spoiler: D

Spoiler: E

nancy · Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:26 am

Spoiler: F

nancy · Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:38 am

My preference is probably F but literally just pick whichever nerf / gate you guys think is best.

nancy · Post Post #174 (isolation #128) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:44 am

Maybe each of you could list which of those you would approve and I'll pick one of the ones that's common between all three of you?

nancy · Post Post #175 (isolation #129) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:48 am

Like A/C/F/Original etc.

nancy · Post Post #176 (isolation #130) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:48 am

Ugh fucking pagetop.

nancy · Post Post #177 (isolation #131) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:53 am

Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Mason
Mason
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Neopolitan
Mafia Odd-Night Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

JK/BP BG/masonry + Encryptor
vs
Neo/2goon

Nerfs?

Spoiler: A

Spoiler: B

Spoiler: C

Spoiler: D

Spoiler: E

Spoiler: F

nancy · Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:31 am

(C is not a nerf obv)

nancy · Post Post #180 (isolation #133) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:40 pm

In post 166, Empking wrote:Looking at it, I think town probably has too much protectively. Perhaps, moving the JK or BG to limited nights. But wait to see what the others say.

I felt this was balanced in spite of that btw, simply due to there being no investigatives, and bodyguard will be really unlikely to last late into the game.

Anyway, no rush on this. Hope y'all are enjoying easter.

nancy · Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:38 am

Yea, that's kind of what I've been going for. Town with lots of info and ability to coordinate if they play their cards right. And since they have no other way to catch scum (until soloscum with JK), BG and JK to help keep that coordination alive. 1-shot BP to counterplay with the JK.

nancy · Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:01 am

No rush hon lol

nancy · Post Post #186 (isolation #136) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:45 pm

Some other power like what?

When does Town ever get really ahead

nancy · Post Post #188 (isolation #137) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:52 pm

yay ^_^

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:19 am

@RC would a 1-shot Strongman allay your concerns at all?

@smith yes the spoilers were a bunch of potential tweaks if the primary wasn't something you were all happy with. If you don't like the GS interaction and think that WIFOM would potentially hurt scum more than benefit them or would just introduce an unnecessary element of setup spec into dayplay obviously that can be taken out, it was your suggestion so I have no issue with it being there or not being there according to the designs you had for the role originally (which I happened to like).

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:26 am

I think the GS is absolutely elegant and supports what I want from the setup and that's why I liked it so much when you suggested it over Maf Doc.

I am fine with replacing Neo with Watcher.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 am

The elegance of GS is lost somewhat without Neo but that isn't a huge issue.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:29 am

Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Mason
Mason
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Watcher
Mafia Odd-Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:52 am

Are you happy with that change smith?

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:24 pm

In post 199, nancy wrote:Town Daytalk Enabler Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Mason
Mason
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Watcher
Mafia Odd-Night Gunsmith
Mafia Goon

This is the setup then, pending approval.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:38 pm

Spoiler: TOWN DAYTALK ENABLER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: TOWN JAILKEEPER NEIGHBOR

Spoiler: TOWN 1-SHOT BULLETPROOF BODYGUARD

Spoiler: MASON

Spoiler: VANILLA TOWNIE

Spoiler: MAFIA WATCHER

Spoiler: MAFIA ODD-NIGHT GUNSMITH

Spoiler: MAFIA GOON

nancy · Post Post #205 (isolation #145) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:16 pm

How many pre-ins are you allowed to have max?

I have 10 people who are saying they want to pre-in.

nancy · Post Post #207 (isolation #146) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:28 pm

6 is max?

nancy · Post Post #208 (isolation #147) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:29 pm

For 13p

nancy · Post Post #210 (isolation #148) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:42 pm

<3

Thanks team. You guys have been super.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:26 pm

JK resolves first and would stop the kill. Nothing happens to BG.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:29 pm

Nexus I've tidied up the opening posts, do you need to see the new version of those? Ruleset hasn't changed.

nancy · Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:45 pm

WOTC/M allowed?

nancy · Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:11 pm

Good point.

nancy · Post Post #220 (isolation #153) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 am

This is going to need an 18+ on flavor.

nancy · Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:14 am

There's just sexual themes.

nancy · Post Post #224 (isolation #155) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:50 pm

Were you look for a reason beyond that's how I'd like it?

nancy · Post Post #225 (isolation #156) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:51 pm

looking*

nancy · Post Post #226 (isolation #157) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:55 pm

If it's an issue for you then forget it? Just gives me more freedom which isn't a big deal anyway for a normal.

nancy · Post Post #231 (isolation #158) » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:18 pm

Roger that.